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Hamas in DC
Posted by: Concerned in Fairfax ()
Date: January 07, 2009 11:15PM

My son went to see a movie with a friend on December 31 and the boys got approached by two men with dark complexion with Hamas flyers. They started telling my son and his friend that they should support Palestine against Israel because Israel is the cause of all world troubles. When my son objected and said that it wasn't Israel who started the war with Palestine, one of the guys told him he wished my son was dead. Here we go, Hamas terrorists are 20 miles from our capital threatening our kids ... I wonder what's next???

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Re: Hamas in DC
Date: January 07, 2009 11:21PM

Technically the guy didn't threaten your son. He just wished that he was dead.

Yeah, that sucks. But it wasn't a threat.

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Re: Hamas in DC
Posted by: Concerned in Fairfax ()
Date: January 07, 2009 11:26PM

Yep, I know and this is what scares me the most. These guys are no joke. They blow themselves up like crasy. Today they distribute their shit flyers and tomorrow will put a bomb in this movie theatre. I did report it to police. Not much they can do at this point...

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Re: Hamas in DC
Posted by: Numbers ()
Date: January 08, 2009 12:55AM

Where is Gravis with his Hamas owl?

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Re: Hamas in DC
Posted by: On The Level ()
Date: January 08, 2009 01:24AM

Concerned in Fairfax Wrote:
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> My son went to see a movie with a friend on
> December 31 and the boys got approached by two men
> with dark complexion with Hamas flyers. They
> started telling my son and his friend that they
> should support Palestine against Israel because
> Israel is the cause of all world troubles. When my
> son objected and said that it wasn't Israel who
> started the war with Palestine, one of the guys
> told him he wished my son was dead. Here we go,
> Hamas terrorists are 20 miles from our capital
> threatening our kids ... I wonder what's next???

If this happens to me or any of my kids, I will respond appropriately.
However, since you did not specify where or when this took place, I will
have to take it with a grain of salt.

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Re: Hamas in DC
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: January 08, 2009 03:46AM

Numbers Wrote:
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> Where is Gravis with his Hamas owl?


this will have to do.

file.php?2,file=5026
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: Hamas in DC
Posted by: Radiophile ()
Date: January 08, 2009 05:01AM

Let Hamas hang out at movie theaters in the area recruirting terrorists. This is a far less dangerous use of their time and resources thean other things they have been up to.

It is probably as productive as the KKK recruiting members at a Boston liberal arts college.

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Re: Hamas in DC
Posted by: Junes ()
Date: January 08, 2009 05:16AM

They were doing the same thing in Maryland last week. I don't know if anyone was approached, but they did lit drops in neighborhoods that were predominantly Jewish.

The Maryland Police also said, until someone actually does something, there is not crime. It is their 1st Amendment Right to distribute the literature.

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Re: Hamas in DC
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: January 08, 2009 06:06AM

Radiophile Wrote:
>>> It is probably as productive as the KKK recruiting members at a Boston liberal arts college.


lol, ya rly

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Re: Hamas in DC
Posted by: Awakened ()
Date: January 08, 2009 06:19AM

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/01/2009 09:12PM by Awakened.

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Re: Hamas in DC
Posted by: RESton Peace ()
Date: January 08, 2009 06:29AM

I am just so tired of Israel AND palestine, none of them deserve to live. A-bombs all around.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/08/2009 06:29AM by RESton Peace.

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Re: Hamas in DC
Posted by: Bob ()
Date: January 08, 2009 06:45AM

Hamas is a bunch of assholes. But they were only ever supposed to exist to make it hard for Fatah to gain any legitimacy.

Hamas was originally created by the Israeli Mossad, to act as a violent group in order to make all palestinians appear to be violently opposed to Israel.

Fatah is a very moderate group of palestinians, many of whom grew up in the times when non-ashkenazi Jews and palestinians owned propoerty together, started businesses together, etc.

The Ashkenazi Jews need a bogeyman to prove to the world that the arabs are out to get them and no palestinian will ever respect their right to occupy palestinian lands. Arab Jews and Arab Muslims, or Palestinian Jews and Palestinian Muslims have coexisted for centuries. Ashkenazis came along in the late 40's and wanted to push all arabs, muslims, palestinians and even arab jews out so they could create "israel". That is why the hagenau dressed up as arabs and bombed the King David Hotel (which was the British Military Headquarters at the time.)

Hamas sucks. But you have to understand that Hamas was formed by Israeli intelligence, and has always been an extremely militant pseudo-palestinian front organization. Fatah is the true palestinian political leadership.

My Boss is palestinian, as are a few coworkers. My Boss's family are all working for the Fatah government in the West Bank. He even owns a home in Nablus. He took part, as a teenager, in the first intifada, when it was all about flyers and throwing rocks. Hamas is another story, they are an armed group, created by Mossad and now funded by Egypt (who is helping Israel in the Gaza blockade) and likud militants who need to maintain the paradigm of jewish-palestinian conflict.

After all, it wasn't the palestinians who "broke the cease fire", since the "cease fire" was part of a brokered agreement where Israel would cease settling jewish people in contested palestinian lands in return for peace and a good-faith effort towards a two-state solution.

The "cease fire" was based on Israel no longer settling people in Palestinian lands. Israel never stopped settlements. Any cease fire never existed, under those terms.

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Re: Hamas in DC
Posted by: WingNut ()
Date: January 08, 2009 07:50AM

Bob Wrote:
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> Hamas was originally created by the Israeli
> Mossad, to act as a violent group in order to make
> all palestinians appear to be violently opposed to
> Israel.

Bob, I have never heard that one, can you back that up with anything credible? It sounds like something conspiratorial straight from the pages of a LaRouche flyer.

I'm not saying this as an Israel supporter, I believe they do have a lot to account for as far as provocation with their settlements. The line about Israel being "America's Best Middle East Ally" should be "America's Best Middle East Ally (against people who hate us for supporting them)"

That said it sounds kind of nutty that Mossad would go to those dangerous lengths though there are some very bizarre and counterintuitieve alliances in the region.

Remember though, a huge % of the Arab population believes Mossad pulled 9/11 and that Jews use the blood of children in rituals, Go figure.

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Re: Hamas in DC
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: January 08, 2009 08:49AM

I think a more even handed history of the Palestinian people and the Israelis would be helpful. This is not a one sided story.

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Re: Hamas in DC
Date: January 08, 2009 09:06AM

Bob Wrote:
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> Hamas is a bunch of assholes. But they were only
> ever supposed to exist to make it hard for Fatah
> to gain any legitimacy.
>
> Hamas was originally created by the Israeli
> Mossad, to act as a violent group in order to make
> all palestinians appear to be violently opposed to
> Israel.



Rabin was actually involved in the formation of Hamas. However, my understanding was that the group was supposed to be a counter-measure against the PLO. When that didn't work, the Israelis dropped their support and Hamas turned on them. That is what I have heard, anyway.

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Re: Hamas in DC
Posted by: RESton Peace ()
Date: January 08, 2009 09:38AM

I heard it was supposed to be a coalition of cooks from Palestine AND Israel, and when they sent out fliers for people to join, they misspelled "Hummus".

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Re: Hamas in DC
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: January 08, 2009 09:59AM

I heard that Hamas decides who to suicide bomb based on the patterns of a cosmic loom. Is that true?

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Re: Hamas in DC
Posted by: Numbers ()
Date: January 08, 2009 10:42AM

I heard Hamas was formed when dopey Palestinians saw pictures of a cat with a bomb vest about to become a martyr.

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Re: Hamas in DC
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: January 08, 2009 10:54AM

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> I think a more even handed history of the
> Palestinian people and the Israelis would be
> helpful. This is not a one sided story.


yeah, i mean, the palestinian's just wanted to fire rockets into a nation they dont acknowledge and plan to overtake. the underdog isnt always just in their cause.



RESton Peace Wrote:
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> I am just so tired of Israel AND palestine, none
> of them deserve to live. A-bombs all around.


oh come on, it's funny when the palestinians get pantsed big time by a country that they dont even acknowledge exists. it's like seeing a 10-year-old trying to fight an adult.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540
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Re: Hamas in DC
Posted by: Maria ()
Date: January 08, 2009 03:27PM

So why only 5 dead from Isreal and 762 dead from Palestine and 1300 injured??

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Re: Hamas in DC
Posted by: Mario ()
Date: January 08, 2009 03:54PM

Actually Hamas was legitimally elected by the Palis, but the US and Israel didn't want it. As a Latino it just amazes me how ignorant American citizens are about the conflict in the ME and how they take what the media says as a fact. The rest of the world except for the US thinks Israel is right in this conflict. But then again better you guys than the rest of the world. Deal with Arab discontent, wars, falling economy, and falling status and respect. Good luck.

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Re: Hamas in DC
Posted by: get out ()
Date: January 08, 2009 04:00PM

Dear Mario,

If you live in the US, why? Please leave. We ignorant American citizens don't want you here.

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Re: Hamas in DC
Posted by: Hamas myass ()
Date: January 08, 2009 04:33PM

Hamas my ass. they are Faracon dudes.

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Re: Hamas in DC
Posted by: Bored in Fairfax ()
Date: January 08, 2009 04:37PM

Bob Wrote:
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> Hamas is a bunch of assholes. But they were only
> ever supposed to exist to make it hard for Fatah
> to gain any legitimacy.
>
> Hamas was originally created by the Israeli
> Mossad, to act as a violent group in order to make
> all palestinians appear to be violently opposed to
> Israel.
>
> Fatah is a very moderate group of palestinians,
> many of whom grew up in the times when
> non-ashkenazi Jews and palestinians owned
> propoerty together, started businesses together,
> etc.
>
> The Ashkenazi Jews need a bogeyman to prove to the
> world that the arabs are out to get them and no
> palestinian will ever respect their right to
> occupy palestinian lands. Arab Jews and Arab
> Muslims, or Palestinian Jews and Palestinian
> Muslims have coexisted for centuries. Ashkenazis
> came along in the late 40's and wanted to push all
> arabs, muslims, palestinians and even arab jews
> out so they could create "israel". That is why
> the hagenau dressed up as arabs and bombed the
> King David Hotel (which was the British Military
> Headquarters at the time.)
>
> Hamas sucks. But you have to understand that
> Hamas was formed by Israeli intelligence, and has
> always been an extremely militant
> pseudo-palestinian front organization. Fatah is
> the true palestinian political leadership.
>
> My Boss is palestinian, as are a few coworkers.
> My Boss's family are all working for the Fatah
> government in the West Bank. He even owns a home
> in Nablus. He took part, as a teenager, in the
> first intifada, when it was all about flyers and
> throwing rocks. Hamas is another story, they are
> an armed group, created by Mossad and now funded
> by Egypt (who is helping Israel in the Gaza
> blockade) and likud militants who need to maintain
> the paradigm of jewish-palestinian conflict.
>
> After all, it wasn't the palestinians who "broke
> the cease fire", since the "cease fire" was part
> of a brokered agreement where Israel would cease
> settling jewish people in contested palestinian
> lands in return for peace and a good-faith effort
> towards a two-state solution.
>
> The "cease fire" was based on Israel no longer
> settling people in Palestinian lands. Israel
> never stopped settlements. Any cease fire never
> existed, under those terms.

I suppose if your "Boss" was a Jew you would sing a different song? Does it feel good to be brainwashed by one of those who caused 9/11 and lick their butts? Palestinians are all liers and provocateurs. They use their women and children as live shield to protect their military from Israeli. When their children get shot, the Palestinians run to the media and start whining and complaining how nasty Jews killed their precious kids that they put in front of their army.

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Re: Hamas in DC
Date: January 08, 2009 04:49PM

This is from Waltzing with Bashir. It was made by one of the Israeli Defense Force guys who shot flares into the air while IDF stood by and let Christian forces massacre the Palestinian refugees that were Israel's responsibility during the Civil War in Lebanon...






Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/08/2009 04:51PM by WashingTone Locian.

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Re: Hamas in DC
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: January 08, 2009 05:30PM

WashingTone Locian Wrote:
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> IDF stood by and let Christian forces massacre the
> Palestinian refugees


cite your source.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: Hamas in DC
Posted by: ferfux ()
Date: January 08, 2009 05:48PM

more importantly, what did the Hamas recruiters think of the movie?

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Re: Hamas in DC
Date: January 08, 2009 06:52PM

Gravis Wrote:
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> WashingTone Locian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > IDF stood by and let Christian forces massacre
> the
> > Palestinian refugees
>
> cite your source.


Reality....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_Shatila_massacre

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Re: Hamas in DC
Date: January 08, 2009 06:54PM

ferfux Wrote:
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> more importantly, what did the Hamas recruiters
> think of the movie?


Maybe you should ask the survivors of the USS Liberty what they think of the IDF...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident

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Re: Hamas in DC
Posted by: ferfux ()
Date: January 08, 2009 07:09PM

WashingToneLocian Wrote:

>
> Maybe you should ask the survivors of the USS
> Liberty what they think of the IDF...
>



oh YEAH! why dont we ask the Chinese what THEY think of the US blowing the SHIT out of their embessay, or OR what the LOST battalion thought of being shelled by US artillary in the argonne woods OR what Pat Tillman, former famous American football player is shot by American fire in Afghanistan. OR what the FUCK DOES THE IDF accidentally attacking the fucking US liberty have to do with Hamas MOVIE REVIEWS! Personally i WANT TO KNOW IF THEY GIVE YES MAN the Thumbs UP or DOWN! SO FUCK YOU! im going back to school.

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Re: Hamas in DC
Date: January 08, 2009 07:12PM

ferfux Wrote:
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>
> oh YEAH! why dont we ask the Chinese what THEY
> think of the US blowing the SHIT out of their
> embessay, or OR what the LOST battalion thought of
> being shelled by US artillary in the argonne woods
> OR what Pat Tillman, former famous American
> football player is shot by American fire in
> Afghanistan. OR what the FUCK DOES THE IDF
> accidentally attacking the fucking US liberty have
> to do with Hamas MOVIE REVIEWS! Personally i WANT
> TO KNOW IF THEY GIVE YES MAN the Thumbs UP or
> DOWN! SO FUCK YOU! im going back to school.

It wasn't an accident.

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Re: Hamas in DC
Posted by: out after dark? ()
Date: January 08, 2009 07:45PM

ferfux Wrote:
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> WashingToneLocian Wrote:
>
> >
> > Maybe you should ask the survivors of the USS
> > Liberty what they think of the IDF...
> >
>
>
>
> oh YEAH! why dont we ask the Chinese what THEY
> think of the US blowing the SHIT out of their
> embessay, or OR what the LOST battalion thought of
> being shelled by US artillary in the argonne woods
> OR what Pat Tillman, former famous American
> football player is shot by American fire in
> Afghanistan. OR what the FUCK DOES THE IDF
> accidentally attacking the fucking US liberty have
> to do with Hamas MOVIE REVIEWS! Personally i WANT
> TO KNOW IF THEY GIVE YES MAN the Thumbs UP or
> DOWN! SO FUCK YOU! im going back to school.


School at this time of day - must be detention or curfew again - or missed the bus and waiting for mommy

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Re: Hamas in DC
Posted by: WingNut ()
Date: January 08, 2009 08:40PM

WashingTone Locian Wrote:
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> This is from Waltzing with Bashir. It was made by
> one of the Israeli Defense Force guys who shot
> flares into the air while IDF stood by and let
> Christian forces massacre the Palestinian refugees
> that were Israel's responsibility during the Civil
> War in Lebanon...

Cool animation in the video, but I wouldn't jump onto the side of the PLO because of the Shatilla Massacre. Some Israelis massacared Arabs in 1948, some PLO massacared Christians in 1975 and some Christian militias massacared Palestinians in 1982.

What I know about the USS Liberty I sure don't like, at best the IDF is guilty of reckless homicide, but I've come to beleive it's much worse.

The Lebanese Phalangists were one of many different Christian militias that allied to battle the PLO, first with the aid of Syria, later with the aid of Israel. The Lebanese I know in the area have told me there was pretty much peace and harmony between Christians and Muslims in Lebanon until the Palestinain refugees arrived in the 70's and the PLO began using their host country as a launch pad for attacks on Israel. Plus the Lebanese constitution had an affirmative action style seating of Parlaiment where Christians got one post, Muslims and Druze the others. As the population was changed by the influx of refugees, of course they wanted to change that set up also.

What was once an even Christian vs Muslim war in the region changed alliances frequently- Syria was originally a protector of the Christians and later became their enemy and the Druze did vice versa. Throw in the Cold War client states at the time and its really confusing.There is actually a large Christian faction in Lebanon now that is aligned with Hezbollah, while the others are aligned with Sunnis and Druze.

I used to sympathize with the Palestinians a lot more, but after Arafat turned down the deal Clinton had brokered I felt the PL was using their own people as political pawns. After 9/11 of course Israel seemed a better strategic ally even though in reality they are guided like all other nations by self interest only.
Sometimes I just think the 2 sides deserve each other.

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Re: Hamas in DC
Posted by: Bob ()
Date: January 08, 2009 09:09PM

WingNut Wrote:
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> Bob Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > Hamas was originally created by the Israeli
> > Mossad, to act as a violent group in order to
> make
> > all palestinians appear to be violently opposed
> to
> > Israel.
>
> Bob, I have never heard that one, can you back
> that up with anything credible? It sounds like
> something conspiratorial straight from the pages
> of a LaRouche flyer.
>
> I'm not saying this as an Israel supporter, I
> believe they do have a lot to account for as far
> as provocation with their settlements. The line
> about Israel being "America's Best Middle East
> Ally" should be "America's Best Middle East Ally
> (against people who hate us for supporting them)"
>
> That said it sounds kind of nutty that Mossad
> would go to those dangerous lengths though there
> are some very bizarre and counterintuitieve
> alliances in the region.
>
> Remember though, a huge % of the Arab population
> believes Mossad pulled 9/11 and that Jews use the
> blood of children in rituals, Go figure.


http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/ZER403A.html

Ahmed Yassin, the spiritual leader of the Islamist movement in Palestine, returning from Cairo in the seventies, established an Islamic charity association. Prime Minister Golda Meir, saw this as a an opportunity to counterbalance the rise of Arafat’s Fatah movement. .According to the Israeli weekly Koteret Rashit (October 1987), "The Islamic associations as well as the university had been supported and encouraged by the Israeli military authority" in charge of the (civilian) administration of the West Bank and Gaza. "They [the Islamic associations and the university] were authorized to receive money payments from abroad."

The Islamists set up orphanages and health clinics, as well as a network of schools, workshops which created employment for women as well as system of financial aid to the poor. And in 1978, they created an "Islamic University" in Gaza. "The military authority was convinced that these activities would weaken both the PLO and the leftist organizations in Gaza." At the end of 1992, there were six hundred mosques in Gaza. Thanks to Israel’s intelligence agency Mossad (Israel’s Institute for Intelligence and Special Tasks) , the Islamists were allowed to reinforce their presence in the occupied territories. Meanwhile, the members of Fatah (Movement for the National Liberation of Palestine) and the Palestinian Left were subjected to the most brutal form of repression.

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Re: Hamas in DC
Posted by: Bob ()
Date: January 08, 2009 09:28PM

WingNut Wrote:
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> Cool animation in the video, but I wouldn't jump
> onto the side of the PLO because of the Shatilla
> Massacre. Some Israelis massacared Arabs in 1948,
> some PLO massacared Christians in 1975 and some
> Christian militias massacared Palestinians in
> 1982.

I wouldn't say that the PLO of that time period was anything but a terrorist organization. Shatilla was an atrocity, and it has nothing to do with the PLO, other than the fact that it occurred to exact revenge against the PLO.

>
> What I know about the USS Liberty I sure don't
> like, at best the IDF is guilty of reckless
> homicide, but I've come to beleive it's much
> worse.
>

Whether Israel intentionally attacked the Liberty or not, the fact that this was a sustained attack that went on for several hours certainly doesn't make Israel innocent in any form of the word innocent. The Liberty communicated with the attackers until the radio room was destroyed. The US flag was clearly visible. If they didn't intend to attack a US vessel, they certainly weren't careful not to, either.

> The Lebanese Phalangists were one of many
> different Christian militias that allied to battle
> the PLO, first with the aid of Syria, later with
> the aid of Israel. The Lebanese I know in the area
> have told me there was pretty much peace and
> harmony between Christians and Muslims in Lebanon
> until the Palestinain refugees arrived in the 70's
> and the PLO began using their host country as a
> launch pad for attacks on Israel. Plus the
> Lebanese constitution had an affirmative action
> style seating of Parlaiment where Christians got
> one post, Muslims and Druze the others. As the
> population was changed by the influx of refugees,
> of course they wanted to change that set up also.
>

Every nation in that region is guilty in one form or another, of one evil deed or another. Jordan and Syria has kept palestinians in refugee camps for 50+ years, holding them politically hostage. For most regimes, it serves the purpose of maintaining internal security against their own citizens by maintaining an air of conflict and external threats. Saudi Arabia is one of the largest supporters of Hamas currently. Egypt is complicit with the Israelis in blockading Gaza.

There are no innocent parties in that mess. The only group that appears to be even remotely moderate is Fatah, and a two-state solution would be possible if this false-conflict scenario that all other parties in the region seem to want to keep perpetuating would end. Fatah and moderate israelis are the ones that should be in charge of negotiations, not the radicals from both sides, which is the current way.


> What was once an even Christian vs Muslim war in
> the region changed alliances frequently- Syria was
> originally a protector of the Christians and later
> became their enemy and the Druze did vice versa.
> Throw in the Cold War client states at the time
> and its really confusing.There is actually a large
> Christian faction in Lebanon now that is aligned
> with Hezbollah, while the others are aligned with
> Sunnis and Druze.
>

Didn't a former Mossad agent charge that the Israelis knew about the Beirut Marine Barracks bombing beforehand but withheld the information because they wanted the US out of Lebanon, where they were interfering with Israeli operations against Palestinian militants?

> I used to sympathize with the Palestinians a lot
> more, but after Arafat turned down the deal
> Clinton had brokered I felt the PL was using their
> own people as political pawns. After 9/11 of
> course Israel seemed a better strategic ally even
> though in reality they are guided like all other
> nations by self interest only.
> Sometimes I just think the 2 sides deserve each
> other.

Arafat claimed that he could not accept some of the terms, because he would be assassinated by his own people. But he did acknowledge that he would have accepted the Dayton accords, were it not for that fact.

I don't believe we should ally ourselves with anyone in that region. Saudi Arabia is the worst enemy we could ever have, but since they keep selling us oil, we turn a blind eye to their support for every extremist islamist group around the world. Most of Israel is actually moderate, but like in this country, it is controlled by a radical few. Fatah would actually lead the palestinians toward some peaceful resolution, but Israel focuses on Hamas and all but ignores Fatah.

It's almost like nobody wants there to ever be peace in that region. Every despotic ruler prefers there to be conflict in order to keep their own people in line, or something.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 01/08/2009 09:32PM by Bob.

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Re: Hamas in DC
Posted by: unsustainable ()
Date: January 08, 2009 09:28PM

WingNut Wrote:
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> Sometimes I just think the 2 sides deserve each
> other.


Its really not clear that the Palestinians deserved to have their country given to someone else and for many of them to spend the next 60 years in refugee camps subject to regular attacks and imprisonment by an expansionary Israel.

If we'd really cared that much after the end of World War II, we'd have set Israel up in somewhere we actually owned such as Bavaria or Texas. The Balfour Declaration was a serious mistake typical of the end of the British Empire, which was compounded by the US after the war to become the biggest strategic blunder of the 20th Century.

Israel has to realize that it has no chance of real peace until the Palestinians are treated fairly and have a contiguous, sustainable homeland rather than a set of open prisons run at the Israeli's bidding.

The current partition between Gaza and the West Bank is just not tenable - neither is sustainable and there will eventually have to be a land bridge, proper access to the sea and control of its own borders. Gaza was designed to be a mess - and was only created to disenfranchise a large chunk of the population to ensure that Israel remained a theocracy - the equivalent of making Texas 'independent' because we were afraid of a growing Latino population.

The current Israeli strategy of throwing their toys out of the pram when they think the West is not giving them enough attention (as with the last Lebanese debacle) is just not sustainable.

The reason that the Palestinians end up with groups such as the PLO, PFLP. Hamas, Hezbollah and Fatah is that no-one else is offering them justice. Its exactly why Castro came to power in Cuba - something had to be done, and no-one else stepped up.

The current unquestioning US bias towards Israel is a clear strategic mistake. It's never made sense to me that they were viewed as a strategic ally post the cold war - their values and objectives just don't align with ours and we don't gain anything from the relationship. Worse than that, we get tarred by the same brush every time they use weapons paid for by US military subsidies.

I'm no fan of organizations such as Hezbollah and Hamas, their values, allies or tactics - but you can see why they do what they do, and you can see why many Palestinians are drawn to them. We constantly push the Palestinian people into the arms of Iran and Syria - for no good reason.

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Re: Hamas in DC
Posted by: Sheikh Ahmed Yassin ()
Date: January 08, 2009 09:38PM

Hamas founding charter

* Article 7 of the Hamas Covenant states the following: "The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (the Cedar tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Muslem).

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Re: Hamas in DC
Posted by: Bob ()
Date: January 08, 2009 09:51PM

unsustainable Wrote:
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> Its really not clear that the Palestinians
> deserved to have their country given to someone
> else and for many of them to spend the next 60
> years in refugee camps subject to regular attacks
> and imprisonment by an expansionary Israel.

Especially since before the arrival of the ashkenazi (european) jews, Palestinian Jews and Arabs lived quite peaceably together. They owned businesses together, operated farming coops together, intermarried, etc.


>
> If we'd really cared that much after the end of
> World War II, we'd have set Israel up in somewhere
> we actually owned such as Bavaria or Texas. The
> Balfour Declaration was a serious mistake typical
> of the end of the British Empire, which was
> compounded by the US after the war to become the
> biggest strategic blunder of the 20th Century.
>

Some would say that it was intentional. Lots of money and power is made through conflict. I don't know if they could have foreseen this clearly enough for that to be a motive, but it certain has been of benefit to those who profit and gain power through conflict.


> The current Israeli strategy of throwing their
> toys out of the pram when they think the West is
> not giving them enough attention (as with the last
> Lebanese debacle) is just not sustainable.


And when that doesn't work, they always fall back on "the holocaust" which to me seems quite hypocritical when you think that a peoples who have been subjected to such atrocities could turn around and treat another group almost as horribly.


>
> The current unquestioning US bias towards Israel
> is a clear strategic mistake. It's never made
> sense to me that they were viewed as a strategic
> ally post the cold war - their values and
> objectives just don't align with ours and we don't
> gain anything from the relationship. Worse than
> that, we get tarred by the same brush every time
> they use weapons paid for by US military
> subsidies.

AIPAC has our politicians by the balls. Even Barack Obama had to capitulate to some degree toward Israel. There is no strategic benefit to our aiding Israel. There is no benefit whatsoever. They don't offer a "counter-balance" of any sort against any threat or ideology in that region. Israel is a catalyst for hatred and anger among arabs and muslims, they are a lightning rod that attracts all the negativity in that region. And because of AIPAC, we've grounded ourselves to that lightning rod. For no good purpose.


>
> I'm no fan of organizations such as Hezbollah and
> Hamas, their values, allies or tactics - but you
> can see why they do what they do, and you can see
> why many Palestinians are drawn to them. We
> constantly push the Palestinian people into the
> arms of Iran and Syria - for no good reason.


Quite frankly, Hamas is stupid. They are only asking for trouble by lobbing their home-made rockets into Sderot and other nearby Israeli towns. But, when Israel claims that hamas broke the cease-fire, they are being disingenuous. The cease fire is part of an agreement whereby Israel would cease israeli settlements in palestinian areas. They never stopped the settlers. Even though Hamas is being idiotic and suicidal by lobbing rockets at Israel, it is not hamas who broke the cease fire.

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Re: Hamas in DC
Posted by: Bob ()
Date: January 08, 2009 09:53PM

Bored in Fairfax Wrote:
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>
> I suppose if your "Boss" was a Jew you would sing
> a different song? Does it feel good to be
> brainwashed by one of those who caused 9/11 and
> lick their butts? Palestinians are all liers and
> provocateurs. They use their women and children as
> live shield to protect their military from
> Israeli. When their children get shot, the
> Palestinians run to the media and start whining
> and complaining how nasty Jews killed their
> precious kids that they put in front of their
> army.


Umm, you aren't a very intelligent person, are you? Palestinians didn't cause 9/11, asshole. Saudi Arabians attacked us. It was in all the papers.

My boss is a palestinian, and my CEO is Jewish. Try to work that one out in your little pea brain.

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Re: Hamas in DC
Posted by: Sheikh Ahmed Yassin ()
Date: January 08, 2009 09:58PM

Article 22 claims that the French revolution, the Russian revolution, colonialism and both world wars were created by the Zionists. It also claims the Freemasons,Rotary clubs, Moose lodges and the girl scouts are Zionist fronts.

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Re: Hamas in DC
Posted by: mariokart ()
Date: January 08, 2009 09:59PM

A cat and a dog can be reasonable with each other and accept their differences.
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Re: Hamas in DC
Posted by: Bob ()
Date: January 08, 2009 10:13PM

Sheikh Ahmed Yassin Wrote:
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> Article 22 claims that the French revolution, the
> Russian revolution, colonialism and both world
> wars were created by the Zionists. It also claims
> the Freemasons,Rotary clubs, Moose lodges and the
> girl scouts are Zionist fronts.


Are you one of those people who believes the Protocols of the Elders of Zion is real??

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Re: Hamas in DC
Posted by: Sheikh Ahmed Yassin ()
Date: January 08, 2009 10:17PM

"You may speak as much as you want about regional and world wars. They were behind World War I, when they were able to destroy the Islamic Caliphate, making financial gains and controlling resources. They obtained the Balfour Declaration, formed the League of Nations through which they could rule the world. They were behind World War II, through which they made huge financial gains by trading in armaments, and paved the way for the establishment of their state. They were behind the browser wars, wherein league with Microsoft bankrolled dominance of the intraweb. They were behind the cola wars thus delivering mind control substances to the masses. It was they who instigated the replacement of the League of Nations with the United Nations and the Security Council to enable them to rule the world through them. There is no war going on anywhere, without having their finger in it."[

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Re: Hamas in DC
Posted by: Bob ()
Date: January 08, 2009 10:27PM

Sheikh Ahmed Yassin Wrote:
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> "You may speak as much as you want about regional
> and world wars. They were behind World War I, when
> they were able to destroy the Islamic Caliphate,
> making financial gains and controlling resources.
> They obtained the Balfour Declaration, formed the
> League of Nations through which they could rule
> the world. They were behind World War II, through
> which they made huge financial gains by trading in
> armaments, and paved the way for the establishment
> of their state. They were behind the browser wars,
> wherein league with Microsoft bankrolled dominance
> of the intraweb. They were behind the cola wars
> thus delivering mind control substances to the
> masses. It was they who instigated the replacement
> of the League of Nations with the United Nations
> and the Security Council to enable them to rule
> the world through them. There is no war going on
> anywhere, without having their finger in it."[


Those damn jews. They cause all problems.


Geez. I realize you are being facetious, but come on. No one group controls everything. There's all kinds of unrelated (and some inter-related) groups that each has their hand in one conflict or another, one crisis or another, etc. Whenever there is money to be made or power to be had, some group or groups is going to take advantage of the situation.

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Re: Hamas in DC
Date: January 08, 2009 10:31PM

* Furthermore, Article 32 of the Covenant makes reference to The Protocols of the Elders of Zion:

"Today it is Palestine, tomorrow it will be one country or another. The Zionist plan is limitless. After Palestine, the Zionists aspire to expand Walmarts and starbucks from the Nile to the Euphrates. When they will have digested the region they overtook, they will aspire to further expansion,SUPER WALMARTS and so on. Their plan is embodied in the "Protocols of the Elders Zion who proclaims to call its cup sizes ''Tall'' (meaning ''not tall,'' or ''small''), ''Grande'' (meaning ''medium'') and ''Venti''", and their present conduct is the best proof of what we are saying."



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Re: Hamas in DC
Posted by: Bob ()
Date: January 08, 2009 10:38PM

Sheikh Ahmed Yassin Wrote:
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> * Furthermore, Article 32 of the Covenant makes
> reference to The Protocols of the Elders of Zion:
>
> "Today it is Palestine, tomorrow it will be
> one country or another. The Zionist plan is
> limitless. After Palestine, the Zionists aspire to
> expand Walmarts and starbucks from the Nile to the
> Euphrates. When they will have digested the region
> they overtook, they will aspire to further
> expansion,SUPER WALMARTS and so on. Their plan is
> embodied in the "Protocols of the Elders Zion who
> proclaims to call its cup sizes ''Tall'' (meaning
> ''not tall,'' or ''small''), ''Grande'' (meaning
> ''medium'') and ''Venti''", and their present
> conduct is the best proof of what we are saying."

But isn't the Protocols against Starbucks?

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Re: Hamas in DC
Posted by: bored in Fairfax ()
Date: January 08, 2009 10:38PM

Bob Wrote:
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> Bored in Fairfax Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > I suppose if your "Boss" was a Jew you would
> sing
> > a different song? Does it feel good to be
> > brainwashed by one of those who caused 9/11 and
> > lick their butts? Palestinians are all liers
> and
> > provocateurs. They use their women and children
> as
> > live shield to protect their military from
> > Israeli. When their children get shot, the
> > Palestinians run to the media and start whining
> > and complaining how nasty Jews killed their
> > precious kids that they put in front of their
> > army.
>
>
> Umm, you aren't a very intelligent person, are
> you? Palestinians didn't cause 9/11, asshole.
> Saudi Arabians attacked us. It was in all the
> papers.
>
> My boss is a palestinian, and my CEO is Jewish.
> Try to work that one out in your little pea brain.

It doesn't matter, palestinians will be the reason for another 9/11 because of fucking idiots like you. We trusted 9/11 mutants and gave them driver licenses and all that crap and about to make the same mistake with these mother fuckers.
So you're licking both their butts? Let me guess... You're a janitor and live in a trailor park near by... You sound like a stupid white trash

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Re: Hamas in DC
Posted by: Bob ()
Date: January 08, 2009 10:40PM

bored in Fairfax Wrote:
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>
> It doesn't matter, palestinians will be the reason
> for another 9/11 because of fucking idiots like
> you. We trusted 9/11 mutants and gave them driver
> licenses and all that crap and about to make the
> same mistake with these mother fuckers.
> So you're licking both their butts? Let me
> guess... You're a janitor and live in a trailor
> park near by... You sound like a stupid white
> trash

Yes, when the palestinians nuke us it will all be my fault.

What is it that my trailer park is near by to?

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Re: Hamas in DC
Posted by: Bob ()
Date: January 08, 2009 10:41PM

mariokart Wrote:
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> A cat and a dog can be reasonable with each other
> and accept their differences.


Isn't that one of the signs of the end of days???

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Re: Hamas in DC
Posted by: bored in Fairfax ()
Date: January 08, 2009 10:53PM

Bob Wrote:
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> bored in Fairfax Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > It doesn't matter, palestinians will be the
> reason
> > for another 9/11 because of fucking idiots like
> > you. We trusted 9/11 mutants and gave them
> driver
> > licenses and all that crap and about to make
> the
> > same mistake with these mother fuckers.
> > So you're licking both their butts? Let me
> > guess... You're a janitor and live in a trailor
> > park near by... You sound like a stupid white
> > trash
>
> Yes, when the palestinians nuke us it will all be
> my fault.
>
> What is it that my trailer park is near by to?

Not just you. There are a lot of stupid trusting idiots like you.
It's near by your truck

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Re: Hamas in DC
Date: January 08, 2009 11:01PM

WingNut Wrote:
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> I used to sympathize with the Palestinians a lot
> more, but after Arafat turned down the deal
> Clinton had brokered I felt the PL was using their
> own people as political pawns. After 9/11 of
> course Israel seemed a better strategic ally even
> though in reality they are guided like all other
> nations by self interest only.
> Sometimes I just think the 2 sides deserve each
> other.


I think the U.S. needs to treat the Israelis and Palestinians equally.

Look at it from this perspective. If Russia and China suddenly declared one day that the East Coast of the United States actually belonged to the British, and that you had to give up your land, homes to the British, many of whom had never lived here before, wouldn't you be pissed?

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Re: Hamas in DC
Posted by: Bob ()
Date: January 08, 2009 11:39PM

WashingToneLocian Wrote:
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>
> I think the U.S. needs to treat the Israelis and
> Palestinians equally.
>
> Look at it from this perspective. If Russia and
> China suddenly declared one day that the East
> Coast of the United States actually belonged to
> the British, and that you had to give up your
> land, homes to the British, many of whom had never
> lived here before, wouldn't you be pissed?


And to top it off, all the surrounding states would keep you in limbo in refugee camps for 60+ years, refuse to give you citizenship or even the right to work, refuse to give you travel visas to leave, subject you to searches and prevent you from travelling into another town where you might find work, and any time some radical group resorted to violence, every displaced person would be targetted with violence, have their homes demolished, and food supplies cut off. And just for fun, the british soldiers would take pot shots at the water tanks on top of your homes.

But of course, it would also be your fault.

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Re: Hamas in DC
Posted by: Mofo ()
Date: January 08, 2009 11:50PM


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Re: Hamas in DC
Posted by: Alias ()
Date: January 09, 2009 12:55AM

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/25/2012 07:57PM by Alias.

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Re: Hamas in DC
Posted by: Bob ()
Date: January 09, 2009 01:59AM

Alias Wrote:
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> The goal of Hamas or Hezbollah or any other Jew
> hating terrorist organization and/or government
> (Iran) is no different than that of Hitler: the
> complete annihilation of the Jews and the
> elimination of all who disagree. (the actual
> goal)
>
> They are Nazis.
>
> Ladies: Get fitted for a burqa. Look at this way.
> You'll never need plastic surgery.
>
> Gents: Learn how to pray five times a day. Look
> at it this way. You'll have more of time to
> think.


That's a pretty simplistic way to look at the world, don't you think?

I'm sure if you gave that some serious thought, you'd realize how completely wrong you are.

That idea ranks up there with "they hate us for our freedoms".


If that were the case, why haven't the Iranians started with the 25,000 persian jews living in Tehran who have a representative in the Iranian parliament?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Jews

The current Jewish population of Iran is about 25,000,[3][4][5] though estimates vary. Notable population centers include Tehran, Isfahan, and Shiraz. Historically, Jews maintained a presence in many more Iranian cities, and Jews are protected in the Iranian constitution.[3] Iran supports one of the two largest Jewish populations of any Muslim-majority country (the other being Turkey),[6].



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Re: Hamas in DC
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: January 09, 2009 02:49AM

Bob Wrote:
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> If that were the case, why haven't the Iranians
> started with the 25,000 persian jews living in
> Tehran who have a representative in the Iranian
> parliament?


because they run iran's treasury department? ;)


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: Hamas in DC
Posted by: Bob ()
Date: January 09, 2009 04:15AM

Gravis Wrote:
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> Bob Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > If that were the case, why haven't the Iranians
> > started with the 25,000 persian jews living in
> > Tehran who have a representative in the Iranian
> > parliament?
>
> because they run iran's treasury department? ;)

Oh,yeah. I forgot about that one little detail.


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Re: Hamas in DC
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: January 09, 2009 07:26AM

get out Wrote:
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> Dear Mario,
>
> If you live in the US, why? Please leave. We
> ignorant American citizens don't want you here.


Mario...please stay and counterbalance the stupidity of the likes of "get out"

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Re: Hamas in DC
Date: January 09, 2009 09:41AM

Alias Wrote:
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> The goal of Hamas or Hezbollah or any other Jew
> hating terrorist organization and/or government
> (Iran) is no different than that of Hitler: the
> complete annihilation of the Jews and the
> elimination of all who disagree. (the actual
> goal)
>
> They are Nazis.
>
> Ladies: Get fitted for a burqa. Look at this way.
> You'll never need plastic surgery.
>
> Gents: Learn how to pray five times a day. Look
> at it this way. You'll have more of time to
> think.


So I guess the British should have just shelled Catholic neighborhoods in Northern Ireland back in the 1980s because the IRA attacked Number 10, correct?

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Re: Hamas in DC
Posted by: perspective ()
Date: January 09, 2009 10:49AM

WashingTone Locian Wrote:

>
>
> So I guess the British should have just shelled
> Catholic neighborhoods in Northern Ireland back in
> the 1980s because the IRA attacked Number 10,
> correct?


Given that the IRA were being openly funded from NY and Boston, supplied with weapons by Qaddafi, sheltered by the authorities in Eire and took spiritual leadership from a foreign religious leader, a Global War on Terror would have been more than justified.

Don't forget "You're either with us, or you're with the terrorists"

Ask the Brits about their experience of internment and whether it worked...

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Re: Hamas in DC
Date: January 09, 2009 10:52AM

perspective Wrote:
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> WashingTone Locian Wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > So I guess the British should have just shelled
> > Catholic neighborhoods in Northern Ireland back
> in
> > the 1980s because the IRA attacked Number 10,
> > correct?
>
>
> Given that the IRA were being openly funded from
> NY and Boston, supplied with weapons by Qaddafi,
> sheltered by the authorities in Eire and took
> spiritual leadership from a foreign religious
> leader, a Global War on Terror would have been
> more than justified.
>
> Don't forget "You're either with us, or you're
> with the terrorists"
>
> Ask the Brits about their experience of internment
> and whether it worked...

You forget the biggest difference between the IRA and Hamas. The members of the IRA are white.

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Re: Hamas in DC
Date: January 09, 2009 10:57AM

Hamas will not stop till Israel is destroyed and all the Jews are killed. That is their mission statement. The people can be martyrs in the cause of destroying Israel. That is their strategy. 60 years of peace accords has come to nothing and future accords will come to nothing till that goal is achieved. The People of Palestine endorse Hamas because of the humanitarian efforts BUT Hamas leaders are USING them as martyrs as political capital everytime Israel kills women, children and innocent bystanders. The Blood is on THEIR hands as much as it is on Israels.

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Re: Hamas in DC
Posted by: Numbers ()
Date: January 09, 2009 11:03AM

WashingTone Locian Wrote:
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> You forget the biggest difference between the IRA
> and Hamas. The members of the IRA are white.

They are both terrorists and neither deserves any respect.
Both could have achieved far better results by means of peaceful protests. So far, most of the Hamas protests around the world have turned ugly. There's one in DC today, so lets see how that goes.

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Re: Hamas in DC
Date: January 09, 2009 11:16AM

Sheikh Ahmed Yassin Wrote:
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> Hamas will not stop till Israel is destroyed and
> all the Jews are killed. That is their mission
> statement. The people can be martyrs in the cause
> of destroying Israel. That is their strategy. 60
> years of peace accords has come to nothing and
> future accords will come to nothing till that goal
> is achieved. The People of Palestine endorse Hamas
> because of the humanitarian efforts BUT Hamas
> leaders are USING them as martyrs as political
> capital everytime Israel kills women, children and
> innocent bystanders. The Blood is on THEIR hands
> as much as it is on Israels.


I'm no fan of Hamas or Hezbollah, but the way Israel takes it out on the Palestinian populace only rallies average Palestinians to these thugs. Do you think German people would have supported the Nazis if things hadn't been so dire in Germany following WWI? The German people felt victimized by France and England following the war because of the reparations.

Israel is making the same mistake as the French and British did. They are creating a dire economic and security situation in Gaza that only strengthens Hamas.

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Re: Hamas in DC
Posted by: perspective ()
Date: January 09, 2009 11:33AM

Sheikh Ahmed Yassin Wrote:
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> Hamas will not stop till Israel is destroyed and
> all the Jews are killed. That is their mission
> statement. The people can be martyrs in the cause
> of destroying Israel. That is their strategy. 60
> years of peace accords has come to nothing and
> future accords will come to nothing till that goal
> is achieved. The People of Palestine endorse Hamas
> because of the humanitarian efforts BUT Hamas
> leaders are USING them as martyrs as political
> capital everytime Israel kills women, children and
> innocent bystanders. The Blood is on THEIR hands
> as much as it is on Israels.

Then it should be obvious that attempting to shell, bomb, starve,imprison and impoverish the Palestinians into submission is a strategy that's failed over the last 60 years.

If we'd spend more of the money we've used as military subsidies to Israel on building a real future, not a fake future as vassals in open prisons spread around the border, then we wouldn't have this problem.

The core problem is that Israel doesn't seems to want peace, it seems to want expansion and ethnic/religious dominance - like Serbia with beaches. If its loses its special victim status in the US, it will become another little backwater economy - a Cyprus, Greece or Slovenia.

Israel is its own worst enemy and its inability to form governments without including some of the world's craziest, fundamentalist, religious parties in coalitions will keep dragging it into destructive and indecisive wars.

All of Israel's neighbors could come to terms with them - but only if there's fairness for the Palestinians who are also a challenge for them (Jordan and Lebanon never asked to be overwhelmed by refugees) and a real set of security guarantees for the region.

Some of the other countries in the region, such as Iran, just want to get more than their fair share of attention and meddle to distract their own people from more serious problems, All we do by prolonging the situation is play into their hands and continue the suffering of the Palestinian people.

Provide the Palestinians with a real alternative and they'll take it.

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Re: Hamas in DC
Date: January 09, 2009 11:36AM

perspective Wrote:

>
> Some of the other countries in the region, such as
> Iran, just want to get more than their fair share
> of attention and meddle to distract their own
> people from more serious problems, All we do by
> prolonging the situation is play into their hands
> and continue the suffering of the Palestinian
> people.
>
> Provide the Palestinians with a real alternative
> and they'll take it.


the surrounding countries want to distract their people by blaming ALL their problems on Israel. ALL the problems are the jews faults.

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Re: Hamas in DC
Date: January 09, 2009 11:38AM

Sheikh Ahmed Yassin Wrote:
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> perspective Wrote:
>
> >
> > Some of the other countries in the region, such
> as
> > Iran, just want to get more than their fair
> share
> > of attention and meddle to distract their own
> > people from more serious problems, All we do by
> > prolonging the situation is play into their
> hands
> > and continue the suffering of the Palestinian
> > people.
> >
> > Provide the Palestinians with a real
> alternative
> > and they'll take it.
>
>
> the surrounding countries want to distract their
> people by blaming ALL their problems on Israel.
> ALL the problems are the jews faults.


We Americans certainly never do that. You never hear lawmakers blame Mexicans for our problems.

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Re: Hamas in DC
Date: January 09, 2009 12:05PM

WashingTone Locian Wrote:
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>
> We Americans certainly never do that. You never
> hear lawmakers blame Mexicans for our problems.


DEATH TO MEXICANS AND THEIR BREEDING OUT OF WEDLOCK AND PROMISCUOUS SOAP OPERAS AND TASTY BURRITOS!

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Re: Hamas in DC
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: January 09, 2009 12:05PM

BREAKING NEWS!!!

Jews, Arabs still fighting

MIDDLE EAST — Jews and Arabs ignored calls from the UN to cease hostilities in the Gaza region today, preferring to continue the war they've been fighting for the last eleventy-million years, instead.

"Jews and Arabs are mortal enemies that have been fighting since approximately 1,093,812 BC," said Al-Hussein Al-Zanzibar. "There can be no peace as long as Jews have the audacity to continue living on the same planet as us."

Jewish lawmakers, looking over the cease fire proposal from the UN, winked and nudged each other, saying, "We'll give it a half-second of consideration before we go back to doing what we've done since the Ice Age."

Western nations are stunned, STUNNED, that a request from the UN to put an end to the last one hundred million trillion years of Jew/Arab hostilities was blatantly ignored.

"This war will not be over soon," said David Weinstein, who joined the Israeli army while still in the womb during the second trimester. "Just the thought of them even DARING to live in their poor, filthy mud huts in abject poverty is an insult to our merciful and insanely bloodthirsty God. I could not wait to be born so I could claim an Arab beard for my trophy, in accordance with our Rites of Manhood."

More as it develops.



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Re: Hamas in DC
Posted by: Alaskan GOP ()
Date: January 09, 2009 12:10PM

MrMephisto Wrote:
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>
> "Jews and Arabs are mortal enemies that have been
> fighting since approximately 1,093,812 BC,"

That's just silly - that would be 1,087,000 years before the earth was created +/- a weekend and snowdays

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Re: Hamas in DC
Posted by: Numbers ()
Date: January 09, 2009 08:35PM

The Germans kill the Jews and the Jews kill the Arabs and the Arabs kill the hostages and that is the news. Is there any wonder why the monkeys confused?

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Re: Hamas in DC
Posted by: obezyanka ()
Date: January 10, 2009 05:17PM

Israel will eventually give in under the UN and US pressure but Hamas will never stop fighting as it doesn't recognize the existense of the State of Israel and want it to be wiped out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTGbP55HGi8

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Re: Hamas in DC
Date: January 10, 2009 06:07PM

obezyanka Wrote:
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> Israel will eventually give in under the UN and US
> pressure but Hamas will never stop fighting as it
> doesn't recognize the existense of the State of
> Israel and want it to be wiped out:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTGbP55HGi8


I'm not saying Hamas isn't seriously fucked up. But Israel is making Israel the enemy of average Palestinians. Hamas is rallying these people right now. Israel needs to stop playing Hamas's game.

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Re: Hamas in DC
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: January 10, 2009 06:49PM

WashingToneLocian Wrote:
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> Israel is making Israel the enemy of average
> Palestinians.


they have been for centuries.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: Hamas in DC
Posted by: obezyanka ()
Date: January 10, 2009 07:43PM

Israel is in a vicious circle. Eventually they'll withdraw and Hamas will start shooting again. Tnen few years (months?) later Israel will get fed up again and...
There is no way out.

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Re: Hamas in DC
Posted by: a way out ()
Date: January 10, 2009 08:59PM

obezyanka Wrote:
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> Israel is in a vicious circle. Eventually they'll
> withdraw and Hamas will start shooting again. Tnen
> few years (months?) later Israel will get fed up
> again and...
> There is no way out.


actually there is

Take a line from the northern edge of Gaza, roughly south east until you hit the south western corner of the West Bank at Lahav - just north of the 334, Sderot, Ruhama, Beit Kama and Lahav

South and west of the new border becomes a sustainable contiguous Palestinian nation - Israeli nationals can either stay or relocate

North and east of the new border becomes Israel

Israeli settlements on the west bank are dismantled

Jerusalem becomes a unitary authority, distinct from both Israel and Palestine, under UN protection

The Golan returns to Syria, Shebaa farms return to Lebanon - both become civilian only DMZ with a 20 mile additional civilian DMZ on each side

Israel gives up its nuclear weapons in return from US and European security guarantees. Palestine liekwise gets security guarantees against Israeli incursions.

Palestinians and their families in the Lebanon have the right to stay in Lebanon or return to either Israel or the new Palestinian state with land grants in either.

See - its easy

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Re: Hamas in DC
Posted by: a way out ()
Date: January 10, 2009 09:06PM

oh and the Isaeli's dismantle the Dimona facilities under EU supervision

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Re: Hamas in DC
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: January 10, 2009 09:12PM

a way out Wrote:
>>> Take a line from the northern edge of Gaza, roughly south east until you hit the south western corner of the West Bank at Lahav - just north of the 334, Sderot, Ruhama, Beit Kama and Lahav South and west of the new border becomes a sustainable contiguous Palestinian nation - Israeli nationals can either stay or relocate North and east of the new border becomes Israel Israeli settlements on the west bank are dismantled Jerusalem becomes a unitary authority, distinct from both Israel and Palestine, under UN protection The Golan returns to Syria, Shebaa farms return to Lebanon - both become civilian only DMZ....



Isn't that what they did in Tom Clancy's "The Sum of All Fears"?

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Re: Hamas in DC
Date: January 10, 2009 09:54PM

I agree that Jerusalem should become an international city (not necessarily under UN authority), but the Israelis would never agree to that.

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Re: Hamas in DC
Posted by: obezyanka ()
Date: January 10, 2009 11:29PM

1. Nationhood and Jerusalem. Israel became a nation in 1312 BCE, Two
thousand years before the rise of Islam.

2. Arab refugees in Israel began identifying themselves as part of a
Palestinian people in 1967, two decades after the establishment of the
modern State of Israel.

3. Since the Jewish conquest in 1272 BCE, the Jews have had dominion
over the land for one thousand years with a continuous presence in the
land for the past 3,300 years.

4. The only Arab dominion since the conquest in 635 CE lasted no more
than 22 years.

5. For over 3,300 years, Jerusalem has been the Jewish capital
Jerusalem has never been the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity.
Even when the Jordanians occupied Jerusalem, they never sought to make
it their capital, and Arab leaders did not come to visit.

6. Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in Tanach, the Jewish Holy
Scriptures. Jerusalem is not mentioned once in the Koran.

7. King David founded the city of Jerusalem. Mohammed never came to
Jerusalem.

8. Jews pray facing Jerusalem. Muslims pray with their backs toward
Jerusalem.

9. Arab and Jewish Refugees: in 1948 the Arab refugees were encouraged
to leave Israel by Arab leaders promising to purge the land of Jews.
Sixty-eight percent left without ever seeing an Israeli soldier.

10. The Jewish refugees were forced to flee from Arab lands due to Arab
brutality, persecution and pogroms.

11. The number of Arab refugees who left Israel in 1948 is estimated
to be around 630,000. The number of Jewish refugees from Arab
lands is estimated to be the same.

12. Arab refugees were INTENTIONALLY not absorbed or integrated into
the Arab la nds to which they fled, despite the vast Arab territory.
Out of the 100,000,000 refugees since World War II, theirs is the only
refugee group in the world that has never been absorbed or integrated
into their own people's lands. Jewish refugees were completely
absorbed into Israel, a country no larger than the state of New Jersey.

13. The Arab-Israeli Conflict: the Arabs are represented by eight
separate nations, not including the Palestinians. There is only one
Jewish nation. The Arab nations initiated all five wars and lost.
Israel defended itself each time and won.

14. The PLO's Charter still calls for the destruction of the State of
Israel. Israel has given the Palestinians most of the West Bank land,
autonomy under the Palestinian Authority, and has supplied them.

15. Under Jordanian rule, Jewish holy sites were desecrated and the
Jews were denied access to places of worship. Under Israeli rule, all
Muslim and Christian sites have been preserved and made accessible to
people of all faiths.

16. The UN Record on Israel and the Arabs: of the 175 Security Council
resolutions passed before 1990, 97 were directed against Israel.

17. Of the 690 General Assembly resolutions voted on before 1990, 429
were directed against Israel.

18. The UN was silent while 58 Jerusalem Synagogues were destroyed by
the Jordanians.

19. The UN was silent while the Jordanians systematically desecrated
the ancient Jewish cemetery on the Mount of Olives.

20. The UN was silent while the Jordanians enforced an apartheid-like
a policy of preventing Jews from visiting the Temple Mount and the
Western Wall.

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Re: Hamas in DC
Posted by: obezyanka ()
Date: January 10, 2009 11:31PM

So, ye, Israel would never agree to Jerusalem becoming an international city and now you know why

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Re: Hamas in DC
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: January 10, 2009 11:51PM

obezyanka Wrote:
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> 13. The Arab-Israeli Conflict: the Arabs are represented by eight
> separate nations, not including the Palestinians. There is only one
> Jewish nation. The Arab nations initiated all five wars and lost.
> Israel defended itself each time and won.


that's the part i find hilarious because it's like watching a 10-year-old (arab nations) trying to fight a grown man(israel).


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/11/2009 06:49AM by Gravis.

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Re: Hamas in DC
Posted by: obezyanka ()
Date: January 11, 2009 12:09AM

Gravis Wrote:
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> obezyanka Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > 13. The Arab-Israeli Conflict: the Arabs are
> represented by eight
> > separate nations, not including the
> Palestinians. There is only one
> > Jewish nation. The Arab nations initiated all
> five wars and lost.
> > Israel defended itself each time and won.
>
> that's the part i find hilarious because it's like
> watching a 10-year-old trying to fight a grown
> man.


Trolling...stupid and hopeless...not even going to respond

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Re: Hamas in DC
Posted by: Alias ()
Date: January 11, 2009 03:02AM

Why can't we all just get along?



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Re: Hamas in DC
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: January 11, 2009 08:44AM

obezyanka Wrote:
>> 8. Jews pray facing Jerusalem. Muslims pray with their backs toward Jerusalem.


Muslims pray facing Mecca. Whether their backs are toward Jerusalem or not totally depends on their geographic location.

I'm guessing the rest of your points are probably flawed as well.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/11/2009 08:44AM by TheMeeper.

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Re: Hamas in DC
Posted by: perspective ()
Date: January 11, 2009 03:03PM

obezyanka Wrote and Wrote and Wrote and Wrote...and Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------

This was a great post - its a construct that suggests that the seeds of Israel's destruction are implicit in its rationale. It shows exactly why

1) the US is misguided in its support for Israel and the idea of a theocracy imposed by force and immigration
2) the Israeli experiment of religious monoculture at the barrel of a gun is doomed to failure


You have to love arguments that boil down to:

- we were in charge thousands of years ago
- God says it's ours
- The UN is mean to us
- Moslems point the wrong way
- those damned arabs should have gone to live in the desert like the others
- Just try and stop us

Its like listening to the Serbs whine about the 1500's or the Russian's throw their toys around when no-one listens to them or Osama talk about the Caliphate

You have to focus on a time frame living memory, not religious myths.

Since the late 40's European Jewish immigrants have invaded and continued, with explicit support and funding of us, the US taxpayer, to forcibly subdue the indigenous population.

The only time that the Israeli government has compromised on anything is when they've been forced to - by international pressure, by internal conflict or by demographic imperatives

Why am I paying so that a Russian family can emigrate, be supported by the Israeli government to take over someone else's farm, seize all the available water and generally act like thugs?

During the cold war, Israel was a marginally useful destabilizing tool for us in the region, but the cold war is long gone.

Frankly, normally I don't give a damn who slaughters who - especially if its a 'my god's bigger than your god' spat - but Israel's behavior is dangerous and continues to be against the strategic interests of the US and its real allies.

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Re: Hamas in DC
Posted by: Bob ()
Date: January 12, 2009 12:19AM

obezyanka Wrote:
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> So, ye, Israel would never agree to Jerusalem
> becoming an international city and now you know
> why


Some of your "facts" are marginally tenable, at best.

You forget about the Diaspora. You forget that the Temple Mount was destroyed and the al aksa mosque was built on it's ruins.

Mohammed "rode a silver stallion into Heaven" from this mosque.

Israel ceased to exist in the early part of the common era, and the tribes spread far and wide.

Most of what you cite are tales and parables in religious texts, much like the tales and parables of the earth being 6,000 years old and man walking the earth at the same time as dinasaurs.


Israel will find a two-state solution once Hamas is marginialized. It is their only hope of long-term survival. In the coming years, arabs will outnumber Jews in the state of Israel. They would either have to abandon democracy or fire up some gas chambers to maintain power in such drastically changing demoraphics. Plus, They, the US, Europe and most Arab nations recognize Fatah, can work with their secular, nationaistic motives, and will not survive a long struggle against a militant religious group that is demographically increasing in size through higher birthrates. (hamas and the palestinians that continue to become supporters each time Israel strikes out at Hamas.)



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Re: Hamas in DC
Posted by: inkahootz ()
Date: January 12, 2009 04:05AM

Bob, since continue posting lies, I will continue posting the truth; Your very own posts. Stop lying, you only make yourself look like an ass. Go ahead and erase/cover it up, I will just repost it, as long as you continue to lie.


Re: The More Things Change....
Posted by: Bob ()
Date: November 14, 2008 03:23AM


dickwad. Don't tell my girlfriend about my blow up doll.

6am is the end of the nightshift for nurses at Bles, Gorman, and CCC.

I love waiting until about 7:30, when my best friend comes home and I cook her 5 scrambled eggs, and then we spend the next two hours undressing, taking a shower and then going to bed.

Yeah, I do sometimes do enjoy a little masturbation fantasy with pictures of her, as she does the same with pictures of me.

In fact, I've got about 3 hours before I can pick her up outside the pasqueralla entrance. I might just strip down and wear a bathrobe, and she promised to wear scrubs with no underwear or bra underneath. We might even drive up Macarthur past Sibley, and park on the side of the road and get a little funky.

If I have to, I'll bring a doll into the equation.

No, wait. Neither of us need dolls. We adore each other, and we're going to fuck and suck and have a good time because we actually enjoy sex and we have figured out how to work out our conflicting schedules to make for some awesome sexual adventures.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 01/12/2009 04:34AM by inkahootz.

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Re: Hamas in DC
Posted by: inkahootz ()
Date: January 12, 2009 04:40AM

Bob, since you continue posting lies, I will continue posting the truth; This time, your very own posts! Stop lying, you only make yourself look like an ass. Go ahead and continue to erase/cover it up, I will just repost it, as long as you keep lying.


Re: The More Things Change....
Posted by: Bob ()
Date: November 14, 2008 03:23AM


dickwad. Don't tell my girlfriend about my blow up doll.

6am is the end of the nightshift for nurses at Bles, Gorman, and CCC.

I love waiting until about 7:30, when my best friend comes home and I cook her 5 scrambled eggs, and then we spend the next two hours undressing, taking a shower and then going to bed.

Yeah, I do sometimes do enjoy a little masturbation fantasy with pictures of her, as she does the same with pictures of me.

In fact, I've got about 3 hours before I can pick her up outside the pasqueralla entrance. I might just strip down and wear a bathrobe, and she promised to wear scrubs with no underwear or bra underneath. We might even drive up Macarthur past Sibley, and park on the side of the road and get a little funky.

If I have to, I'll bring a doll into the equation.

No, wait. Neither of us need dolls. We adore each other, and we're going to fuck and suck and have a good time because we actually enjoy sex and we have figured out how to work out our conflicting schedules to make for some awesome sexual adventures



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Re: Hamas in DC
Posted by: Bob ()
Date: January 12, 2009 06:58AM

Inkahootz:

> who's making up shit about who?
>
> YOu already admitted to making up everything about
> the Pub. You got angry at something I said, and
> tried to make up all kinds of bullshit about me,
> and all of it proved to be totallly bullshit.


Sure, crazy! I was being facetious in that post, dummy!

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Re: Hamas in DC
Posted by: inkahootz ()
Date: January 12, 2009 07:11AM

Bob Wrote:
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> Inkahootz:
>
> > who's making up shit about who?
> >
> > YOu already admitted to making up everything
> about
> > the Pub. You got angry at something I said, and
>
> > tried to make up all kinds of bullshit about me,
>
> > and all of it proved to be totallly bullshit.
>
>
> Sure, crazy! I was being facetious in that post,
> dummy!


This is the post I was referring to: with an edit; So you get it!LOL


Re: Lingo in underground?
Posted by: inkahootz ()
Date: January 10, 2009 01:55PM


Bob (aka Bartholemew Simpson),

It's time for a new hobby. You no longer need my help in making yourself look like an idiot on this site. You are perfectly adept on your own. I made everything up ( edit: just so you are not confused Bart, I am being facetious). End of story.


Cheers!



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...and since you are misrepresenting PM's and taking them out of context:



Bob, since you continue posting lies, I will continue posting the truth; This time, your very own posts! Stop lying, you only make yourself look like an ass. Go ahead and continue to erase/cover this up, I will just repost it, as long as you keep lying.


Re: The More Things Change....
Posted by: Bob ()
Date: November 14, 2008 03:23AM


dickwad. Don't tell my girlfriend about my blow up doll.

6am is the end of the nightshift for nurses at Bles, Gorman, and CCC.

I love waiting until about 7:30, when my best friend comes home and I cook her 5 scrambled eggs, and then we spend the next two hours undressing, taking a shower and then going to bed.

Yeah, I do sometimes do enjoy a little masturbation fantasy with pictures of her, as she does the same with pictures of me.

In fact, I've got about 3 hours before I can pick her up outside the pasqueralla entrance. I might just strip down and wear a bathrobe, and she promised to wear scrubs with no underwear or bra underneath. We might even drive up Macarthur past Sibley, and park on the side of the road and get a little funky.

If I have to, I'll bring a doll into the equation.

No, wait. Neither of us need dolls. We adore each other, and we're going to fuck and suck and have a good time because we actually enjoy sex and we have figured out how to work out our conflicting schedules to make for some awesome sexual adventures



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Re: Hamas in DC
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: January 12, 2009 07:46AM

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"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Date: January 12, 2009 08:00AM

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Re: Hamas in DC
Date: January 12, 2009 09:14AM

obezyanka Wrote:
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> 1. Nationhood and Jerusalem. Israel became a
> nation in 1312 BCE, Two
> thousand years before the rise of Islam.
>

If you want to play that game, the Canaanites and Philistines were there first. And they had more in common with today's Arabs than the Israelis.

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Re: Hamas in DC
Posted by: RESton Peace ()
Date: January 12, 2009 01:10PM

I would hope cary is too busy at his job and getting fucked by FU groupies and defending the site in court to even read this thread.

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Re: Hamas in DC
Posted by: DogPatch06 ()
Date: January 13, 2009 05:24PM

if you observe hamas supporters approaching people, report it to the local police. Get a description of the individuals, clothing, vehicles, etc. The local police can respond the fastest, then they will pass the information on to the proper investigative groups. HAMAS is a terrorist organization, and if you think that they will not bring terrorist acts to CONUS, you are mistaken. Don't ignore these activities, take action.

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Re: Hamas in DC
Posted by: Bob ()
Date: January 13, 2009 10:21PM

This is how it ends....
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Re: Hamas in DC
Posted by: Cheebooger, cheebooger, hamas, hamas ()
Date: January 13, 2009 11:47PM

Not exactly DC, but the Hamas is pretty good at Cafe Sano in Reston, and at Maggios/Skorpios in Vienna. Just make sure that, if you are ordering carryout, you ask for extra pita bread. My wife makes a pretty mean Hamas as well.

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Re: Hamas in DC
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: January 14, 2009 06:22AM

DogPatch06 Wrote:
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> if you observe hamas supporters approaching
> people, report it to the local police. Get a
> description of the individuals, clothing,
> vehicles, etc. The local police can respond the
> fastest, then they will pass the information on to
> the proper investigative groups. HAMAS is a
> terrorist organization, and if you think that they
> will not bring terrorist acts to CONUS, you are
> mistaken. Don't ignore these activities, take
> action.


yeah, nobody gives a shit about hawaii and alaska.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: Hamas in DC
Posted by: Alias ()
Date: January 14, 2009 09:56PM

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