There appears to be a lot of cheating going on among certain high schools in Fairfax County with pupil placements for athletics.

Time to out the biggest cheaters.

First school that I can think of is Edison HS Football Team. 8 players who live outside the Edison district somehow got approved for pupil placement. They should have forfeited 5 games for one violation, but the VHSL let them off the hook with a $1000 fine. Now they are in the playoffs!!!

I am happy to see FCPS enforce the eligibility rules and come down hard on the violators!! What a joke.

Please share your stories.

UPDATED: Penalties -- But No Forfeits -- Handed Down to Edison

The Eagles will not have to forfeit any victories after being found in violation of a VHSL rule

Published: 10/15/2008


Edison Coach Vaughn Lewis addresses his players at a practice.By Phil Murphy and Angela Watts
DigitalSports.com

Edison High School's athletic department has confirmed that the school was found to have inadvertently violated a Virginia High School League rule that made one of its players ineligible for several games.

The Eagles self-reported the violation to the state.

Accordingly, the VHSL assigned penalties to the school that include a formal letter of warning, a $1,000 fine and a requirement to submit a plan-of-action to show how it will prevent such incidents in the future.

But the Eagles, who are undefeated on the season at 7-0 overall and 4-0 in the National District, will not have to forfeit any of their victories, and the player in question will remain on the team for the remainder of the season.

"Our principal came to practice and told our players that they didn't have to forfeit games," longtime Edison Coach Vaughn Lewis said on Wednesday. "They were really happy. And I was happy for them. They didn't do anything wrong. Since the kids weren't involved -- which was the situation -- we were really happy that this came down that way. Because the kids didn't do anything wrong and [forfeiture] would have cost them."

Edison is the top-rated team in Division 5 in the Northern Region by the VHSL's rating system that determines playoff seeding. The Eagles currently have a rating of 30.0 -- second best in the state to Phoebus -- while defending Division 5 state champion Stone Bridge, which is also unbeaten this season, holds a rating of 28.6.

"As soon as we found out there was a violation -- or potential violation -- we reported it to the state," said Lewis, whose team has appeared in the past three Northern Region Division 5 championship games. "We let our kids know right away and let the player know there was a possibility of having to forfeit games. Any time you report yourself to the state, there's that possibility.

"We didn't feel like he was ineligible according to the guidelines. But the state guidelines and the county guidelines are totally different. It was just miscommunication between adults. I'm glad they found the way they did because we felt the kids shouldn't have been punished. We're happy with just a fine, and we think the VHSL did the right thing.

"Adults make mistakes. We assumed when we shouldn't have assumed. That's why we have to come up with a plan to prevent this from happening again."

Lewis praised his team's ability to play under the pressure of the ongoing investigation. On Friday, Edison defeated Stuart, 57-6, recording more than 400 yards of offense. A week prior, it knocked out Yorktown, 38-0, on the road.

"They handled it really well," Lewis said. "Our feeling was, and the team's feeling was, that we hadn't done anything wrong. Even if we did have to forfeit the games, in our hearts we knew we were still undefeated. I was very impressed with the maturity of our kids in how they handled it. This team grew closer together through this process."


Everyone knows which schools cheat.It's all about winning at all cost.

FCPS and the VHSL have rules for some schools and no rules for others.

Oakton, Madison, Edison, Westspringfield, Lake Braddock to name a few.

Puhlease!

Coach Lewis, "As soon as we found out there was a violation we reported it"....I don't think so. MOre like, as soon as a neighboring school's AD threatened to turn us in, we reported the violation.

Top schools that come to mind in violations are:

West Springfield boys lacrosse

Madison baseball

Oakton girls basketball

If a player uses IB/AP as a reason for the placement, the IB student must pursue the full diploma program-few do or can-but nobody bothers to check.

This "self reporting" isnt working so well in FCPS.

We have the good old boys club in FCPS sports made up of coaches and AD's.These people know what is going on with HS tranfers, but refuse to rock the boat. By being silent the weak schools get weaker and the stronger schools get stronger.

Most HS cheat Wrote:
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> UPDATED: Penalties -- But No Forfeits -- Handed
> Down to Edison
>
> The Eagles will not have to forfeit any victories
> after being found in violation of a VHSL rule
>
> Published: 10/15/2008
>
>
> By Phil Murphy and Angela Watts
> DigitalSports.com
>
> Edison High School's athletic department has
> confirmed that the school was found to have
> inadvertently violated a Virginia High School
> League rule that made one of its players
> ineligible for several games.
>
> The Eagles self-reported the violation to the
> state. NOT TRUE.
>
> Accordingly, the VHSL assigned penalties to the
> school that include a formal letter of warning, a
> $1,000 fine and a requirement to submit a
> plan-of-action to show how it will prevent such
> incidents in the future.
>
> But the Eagles, who are undefeated on the season
> at 7-0 overall and 4-0 in the National District,
> will not have to forfeit any of their victories,
> and the player in question will remain on the team
> for the remainder of the season.
>
> "Our principal came to practice and told our
> players that they didn't have to forfeit games,"
> longtime Edison Coach Vaughn Lewis said on
> Wednesday. "They were really happy. And I was
> happy for them. They didn't do anything wrong.
> Since the kids weren't involved -- which was the
> situation -- we were really happy that this came
> down that way. Because the kids didn't do anything
> wrong and would have cost them."
>
> Edison is the top-rated team in Division 5 in the
> Northern Region by the VHSL's rating system that
> determines playoff seeding. The Eagles currently
> have a rating of 30.0 -- second best in the state
> to Phoebus -- while defending Division 5 state
> champion Stone Bridge, which is also unbeaten this
> season, holds a rating of 28.6.
>
> "As soon as we found out there was a violation --
> or potential violation -- we reported it to the
> state," said Lewis, whose team has appeared in the
> past three Northern Region Division 5 championship
> games. "We let our kids know right away and let
> the player know there was a possibility of having
> to forfeit games. Any time you report yourself to
> the state, there's that possibility.
>
> "We didn't feel like he was ineligible according
> to the guidelines. But the state guidelines and
> the county guidelines are totally different. It
> was just miscommunication between adults. I'm glad
> they found the way they did because we felt the
> kids shouldn't have been punished. We're happy
> with just a fine, and we think the VHSL did the
> right thing.
>
> "Adults make mistakes. We assumed when we
> shouldn't have assumed. That's why we have to come
> up with a plan to prevent this from happening
> again."
>
> Lewis praised his team's ability to play under the
> pressure of the ongoing investigation. On Friday,
> Edison defeated Stuart, 57-6, recording more than
> 400 yards of offense. A week prior, it knocked out
> Yorktown, 38-0, on the road.
>
> "They handled it really well," Lewis said. "Our
> feeling was, and the team's feeling was, that we
> hadn't done anything wrong. Even if we did have to
> forfeit the games, in our hearts we knew we were
> still undefeated. I was very impressed with the
> maturity of our kids in how they handled it. This
> team grew closer together through this process."
>
>
> Everyone knows which schools cheat.It's all about
> winning at all cost.
>
> FCPS and the VHSL have rules for some schools and
> no rules for others.
>
> Oakton, Madison, Edison, Westspringfield, Lake
> Braddock to name a few.

Everyone knows that the player in question, pupil placed from Hayfield HS to Edison HS for the football program. And it was Hayfield who reported the violation to the VHSL.

Bill Curran does nothing as players go from one school to another for a specific team. Sounds like a draft to me.
What a guy. He is the main reason why we have a corrupt program for all sports in FCPS.

I know this is mainly about Edison football, but Madison's baseball team would be in serious trouble of being an "also-ran" in districts and regionals without a significant number of pupil placements out of Marshall, and even, to a smaller extent, South Lakes.

I am wondering why the AD at Marshall doesn't raise hell about all the athletes they lose to Madison and Oakton. Especially since the head of athletics for FCPS (Curran) came from Marshall. They should not continue to take it.

There is a family at Marshall that sent their boys to Madison for football and now is sending their daughter to Oakton to play basketball for Priester.

This whole pupil placement is BS. Nobody polices it. Kids who pupil place into IB schools are REQUIRED to be a full IB diploma candidate. What a joke! None of them do. FCPS has no oversight at all and they "self report" to VHSL. Oh, ok, like they are going to turn themselves in and voluntarily pay a fine.

Most of the time it's the parents that pull there kids from one school to another, and why do they do that? Maybe because they feel there kids will get something better out of it, weather it's Ib, votech, or a better sports team, its all about helping there kids for later on. I don't think kids care that much about what teams they play for, its the parents. You can't tell me a kid in 8th grade makes a decision to transfer to a different school because of sports on there own, its the parents.

AD's don't raise hell because in the long run its not worth it to them to raise hell.

The following schools are closed for pupil placements because they are overcrowded:

Edison
Woodson
Annandale
West Springfield
Chantilly
SOCO

So how come these schools receive pupil placements? I think the circumstances need to be extraordinary to get approval.

For example-kid who is based at Lee (football player) would rather play at Edison. He uses the career tech as a placement reason even though Lee has busses that take kids to career tech every day.

That makes no sense that he was given approval.

soon it will not matter about what high school you play for, it will all be about what club team you play for.........

club sports will take over Wrote:
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> soon it will not matter about what high school you
> play for, it will all be about what club team you
> play for.........

If there is no HS sports, no one can cheat

Since they have started to make cuts,
Fairfax County high school gymnastics and indoor track could be eliminated when the 2010 budget is adopted in May as FCPS cope with a $225 million shortfall.

When will the other cuts come? What about baseball, football, softball and other sports?

Will they bring back the $100 user fee for each sport that a student plays?

On the Baseball Front Wrote:
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> I know this is mainly about Edison football, but
> Madison's baseball team would be in serious
> trouble of being an "also-ran" in districts and
> regionals without a significant number of pupil
> placements out of Marshall, and even, to a smaller
> extent, South Lakes.

The big cheater Edison lost their big game last week. I for one think this is payback for how they have cheated over the years and how they have stolen players from other schools.

Edison lost Wrote:
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> On the Baseball Front Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I know this is mainly about Edison football,
> but
> > Madison's baseball team would be in serious
> > trouble of being an "also-ran" in districts and
> > regionals without a significant number of pupil
> > placements out of Marshall, and even, to a
> smaller
> > extent, South Lakes.
>
> The big cheater Edison lost their big game last
> week. I for one think this is payback for how they
> have cheated over the years and how they have
> stolen players from other schools.


Sounds like someone hates Edison! Whats with the hate? Cheated for years? how many years do you think?

Coach has been there since 98 i think, so i am guessing he started cheating the last 5 years?

Dude is bitter!

For swim/dive and soccer at least, club teams seem to be more important than VHSL teams.

I say we have rivals check up on each other. e.g. Lee and West Springfield check each other's eligibility, Madison/Oakton, Chantilly/Centreville, etc.

True story: an unnamed school had to give up its Scholastic Bowl region title a few years ago for using an academically ineligible player. Turns out the kid had taken five and failed five, and the AD assumed, 'Oh he's smart, so he's eligible.' Whoops.

closed schools Wrote:
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> The following schools are closed for pupil
> placements because they are overcrowded:
>
> Edison
> Woodson
> Annandale
> West Springfield
> Chantilly
> SOCO
>
> So how come these schools receive pupil
> placements? I think the circumstances need to be
> extraordinary to get approval.
>
> For example-kid who is based at Lee (football
> player) would rather play at Edison. He uses the
> career tech as a placement reason even though Lee
> has busses that take kids to career tech every
> day.
>
> That makes no sense that he was given approval.

Whoa whoa whoa. Chantilly doesn't receive pupil placement we just GIVE athletes away, lol. I don't know why you would put them up there.

closed schools Wrote:
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> The following schools are closed for pupil
> placements because they are overcrowded:
>
> Edison
> Woodson
> Annandale
> West Springfield
> Chantilly
> SOCO
>
> So how come these schools receive pupil
> placements? I think the circumstances need to be
> extraordinary to get approval.
>
> For example-kid who is based at Lee (football
> player) would rather play at Edison. He uses the
> career tech as a placement reason even though Lee
> has busses that take kids to career tech every
> day.
>
> That makes no sense that he was given approval.


You need to add Oakton to the list.

Certain schools get raided Wrote:
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> I am wondering why the AD at Marshall doesn't
> raise hell about all the athletes they lose to
> Madison and Oakton. Especially since the head of
> athletics for FCPS (Curran) came from Marshall.
> They should not continue to take it.
>
> There is a family at Marshall that sent their boys
> to Madison for football and now is sending their
> daughter to Oakton to play basketball for
> Priester.
>
> This whole pupil placement is BS. Nobody polices
> it. Kids who pupil place into IB schools are
> REQUIRED to be a full IB diploma candidate. What
> a joke! None of them do. FCPS has no oversight at
> all and they "self report" to VHSL. Oh, ok, like
> they are going to turn themselves in and
> voluntarily pay a fine.

Sounds like the sport programs in FCPS are out of control. If the AD's at each school and Bill Curran do play by the rules, then wipe out the rules and have a high school draft for players.

Madison HS continues to recruit players to play baseball from Marshall, South Lakes and Herdon. These players purportedly get into Madison by taking AP courses.

Four current freshman pupil placed and have made the team.

Four current sophomores pupil placed and have made the team.

In the meantime, students who want to take AP courses are shut out. In addition, Madison baseball players are getting cut due to players being recruited.

This system sucks and Bill Curran knows about it and he does nothing.

PS HOW MUCH MONEY DO THE PLAYERS AT MADISON HAVE TO PAY FOR WINTER/SUMMER CLINICS IN ORDER TO STAY ON THE TEAM?

ARE THEY FORCED TO PLAY FOR THE MUSTANGS? YES.

Sounds like either you pay or you will not play.

Crap continues at Madison Wrote:
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> Madison HS continues to recruit players to play
> baseball from Marshall, South Lakes and Herdon.
> These players purportedly get into Madison by
> taking AP courses.
>
> Four current freshman pupil placed and have made
> the team.
>
> Four current sophomores pupil placed and have made
> the team.
>
> In the meantime, students who want to take AP
> courses are shut out. In addition, Madison
> baseball players are getting cut due to players
> being recruited.
>
> This system sucks and Bill Curran knows about it
> and he does nothing.
>
> PS HOW MUCH MONEY DO THE PLAYERS AT MADISON HAVE
> TO PAY FOR WINTER/SUMMER CLINICS IN ORDER TO STAY
> ON THE TEAM?
>
> ARE THEY FORCED TO PLAY FOR THE MUSTANGS? YES.
>
> Sounds like either you pay or you will not play.

Sounds like you're a disappointed Madison student/athlete or parent. Why don't you take it up with the rah-rah tool of a principal at Madison, rather than complain about Bill Curran?

Students pupil-place into Madison for sports and out of Madison for academics. Freshman boys basketball did quite well this year, but the verbal/math SAT scores at Madison continue to go down - from 1170 in 2006, to 1149 in 2007, to 1147 in 2008.

Fact is, students pupil-place into Madison for sports, and out of Madison for academics.

When I was in school (class of 95) Madison and Edison were perennial cellar dwellers... when did they get good? Oakton too, they were only good at girls softball or something, now they have athletes??

Things done changed Wrote:
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> When I was in school (class of 95) Madison and
> Edison were perennial cellar dwellers... when did
> they get good? Oakton too, they were only good at
> girls softball or something, now they have
> athletes??

Since Pudge is the baseball manager at Madison things have changed for the worse.
Cheating is his rule and taking money from his players for his self interest is his game.

Oh it must be basbeball season again....time for the Marshall and South Lakes lamers to jump on the "I suck/my kid sucks, but I reallllllllly resent not being "recruited" by the madison coaches" bandwagon.

Listen up, you tards--if your Little League credentials consist of a 230 batting average, and you played 3 innings per game (the LL minimum requirement) you ARENT gonna make the Madison team--go pupil place into South Lakes and be a starter there.

Pudge has nothing to do with it--any sane parent of a decent baseball player would move heaven and earth to get their kid to Madison (or Oakton, for that matter). Now stop whining and go try out for lacrosse, or just STFU and join the tiddlywinks club!

And the "taking money from his players" claim is retarded urban legend--the MVP Baseball organization, which he is a partner in, has, on staff, head coaches from Madison, Oakton, PVI, Centreville, Fairfax, Lake Braddock, chantilly, Mclean,South Lakes, and others....ANY player worth a damn in the Northern Region goes there for camps, clinics, and instruction.

Now go sit down and suck your thumb, dumbass.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/06/2009 11:34AM by fairfaxdude.

farfaxdude how much did your daddy have to pay Pudge in order for you to be on the Madison team? $2,000 or $3,000

The correct term is not AD, it's DSA (director of student activities).

Moderator, please delete all posts from Pay to play...it is wayyyyyy too stooopid to be on here...only god knows how it figured out how to boot up a computer in the first place.

Whutta cumbubble!

This is a no brainer, Madison, Madison and Madison. Pudge cheats and parents, players and other coaches know that he cheats.

Everybodys knows but Bill Curran, head AD for FCPS.

They all do

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