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Panhandlers in the area on the rise??
Posted by:
Aunty O
()
Date: September 09, 2013 05:54PM
I used to see a few along route 7 but now I see them in fairlakes area, centreville area.
They do not even look homeless. One was a family of 3 holding a sign.
Anybody notices the same thing?
They do not even look homeless. One was a family of 3 holding a sign.
Anybody notices the same thing?
Re: Panhandlers in the area on the rise??
Posted by:
Lamb Centurist
()
Date: September 09, 2013 06:03PM
Plenty sprouting up in Burke, they look awful and smell bad too
Re: Panhandlers in the area on the rise??
Posted by:
Duped
()
Date: September 09, 2013 06:06PM
Yes, we already have several threads on it. Check them out, we even have pictures. Hardly homeless, as you can see. I read an article where the police arrested one guy that came out from Maryland. Despite what some people say, it is illegal, See ORD-9928-S9 in the 2012 Virginia Crime Code:
http://www.vcsc.virginia.gov/VCCs/2012/AllActive_VCC2012.pdf
Protesters in Burke?
http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/31/1287901/1293566.html#msg-1293566
Panhandlers at Fair Lakes Walmart and Fairfax Town Center
http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/1267666/1288331.html#msg-1288331
More and more bums in Fairfax
http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/1275653/1275741.html#msg-1275741
Undercover Panhandling Investigation
http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/1271936/1271936.html#msg-1271936
http://www.vcsc.virginia.gov/VCCs/2012/AllActive_VCC2012.pdf
Protesters in Burke?
http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/31/1287901/1293566.html#msg-1293566
Panhandlers at Fair Lakes Walmart and Fairfax Town Center
http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/1267666/1288331.html#msg-1288331
More and more bums in Fairfax
http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/1275653/1275741.html#msg-1275741
Undercover Panhandling Investigation
http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/1271936/1271936.html#msg-1271936
Re: Panhandlers in the area on the rise??
Posted by:
cool list!
()
Date: September 09, 2013 06:15PM
Hunting from aircraft AIR-7307-M9 5.1-17 0-1M
Re: Panhandlers in the area on the rise??
Posted by:
WHAT, PRECISELY, IS PANHANDLING?
()
Date: September 09, 2013 06:50PM
Did they initiate and make contact with you or was anyone approached and asked for money? Did or does there sign specify money? If not, then specifically, factually, they are not panhandling.
Only to the All Assuming Assumption full of inuendo ALL ASS , OF COURSE,, could you say they are panhandling.
Look it up on Google if you can not accept the reality of this, and study hard and Get Smart, STUPID!
Only to the All Assuming Assumption full of inuendo ALL ASS , OF COURSE,, could you say they are panhandling.
Look it up on Google if you can not accept the reality of this, and study hard and Get Smart, STUPID!
Re: Panhandlers in the area on the rise??
Posted by:
Learn to read
()
Date: September 09, 2013 06:52PM
WHAT, PRECISELY, IS PANHANDLING? Wrote:
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> Did they initiate and make contact with you or was
> anyone approached and asked for money? Did or
> does there sign specify money? If not, then
> specifically, factually, they are not
> panhandling.
> Only to the All Assuming Assumption full of
> inuendo ALL ASS , OF COURSE,, could you say they
> are panhandling.
> Look it up on Google if you can not accept the
> reality of this, and study hard and Get Smart,
> STUPID!
Read the VA code dumbass. Illegal...
See ORD-9928-S9 in the 2012 Virginia Crime Code:
http://www.vcsc.virginia.gov/VCCs/2012/AllActive_VCC2012.pdf
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> Did they initiate and make contact with you or was
> anyone approached and asked for money? Did or
> does there sign specify money? If not, then
> specifically, factually, they are not
> panhandling.
> Only to the All Assuming Assumption full of
> inuendo ALL ASS , OF COURSE,, could you say they
> are panhandling.
> Look it up on Google if you can not accept the
> reality of this, and study hard and Get Smart,
> STUPID!
Read the VA code dumbass. Illegal...
See ORD-9928-S9 in the 2012 Virginia Crime Code:
http://www.vcsc.virginia.gov/VCCs/2012/AllActive_VCC2012.pdf
Re: Panhandlers in the area on the rise??
Posted by:
Stinky smelly pants
()
Date: September 09, 2013 07:31PM
While they may be smelly bums they also know where the money is. Why stand in SE DC and take a risk of being shot when you can migrate to Fairfax where crime is low and the economic demographics are much better.
Re: Panhandlers in the area on the rise??
Posted by:
oldguy
()
Date: September 09, 2013 11:02PM
Stinky smelly pants Wrote:
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> While they may be smelly bums they also know where
> the money is. Why stand in SE DC and take a risk
> of being shot when you can migrate to Fairfax
> where crime is low and the economic demographics
> are much better.
Not just the bums are panhandling, seems like EVERYONE is panhandling. The Boy Scouts, the Girl Scouts, Bands, Choruses, Cheerleaders (little girls, not the real ones), Veterans, Karate Clubs, Gymnastic Clubs, and then when you go to check out of whatever store you are in, the cashier panhandles you for St. Jude, City of Hope, Childhood Cancer, Children's Miracle Network, Jerry's Kids, and I could go on and on. It just gets very tiresome, and I just want to tell all of them to go pound sand.
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> While they may be smelly bums they also know where
> the money is. Why stand in SE DC and take a risk
> of being shot when you can migrate to Fairfax
> where crime is low and the economic demographics
> are much better.
Not just the bums are panhandling, seems like EVERYONE is panhandling. The Boy Scouts, the Girl Scouts, Bands, Choruses, Cheerleaders (little girls, not the real ones), Veterans, Karate Clubs, Gymnastic Clubs, and then when you go to check out of whatever store you are in, the cashier panhandles you for St. Jude, City of Hope, Childhood Cancer, Children's Miracle Network, Jerry's Kids, and I could go on and on. It just gets very tiresome, and I just want to tell all of them to go pound sand.
Re: Panhandlers in the area on the rise??
Posted by:
home air defense systems
()
Date: September 09, 2013 11:25PM
Defense Contractors too. Every time I turn on the news ratio, they're they are.
Re: Panhandlers in the area on the rise??
Posted by:
The Worst
()
Date: September 10, 2013 07:33AM
The absolute worst panhandlers are the dirty, corrupt union firefighters hitting up drivers to fund their socialist political agenda.
Re: Panhandlers in the area on the rise??
Posted by:
answers
()
Date: September 10, 2013 07:57AM
There's one at Carlin Springs and Route 50, another at the Harris Teeter on Columbia Pike.
Best answer works of you are walking by with friends, just tell the bum that your buddy has all the money, they are so stupid that they fall for it every time and immediately begin to harass your friend.
Second best answer is "no thanks", like they just offered to perform some service in exchange for the money. It's quick and non confrontational, so you get by without a scene, but leaves them with a vague feeling of being pissed on.
Best answer works of you are walking by with friends, just tell the bum that your buddy has all the money, they are so stupid that they fall for it every time and immediately begin to harass your friend.
Second best answer is "no thanks", like they just offered to perform some service in exchange for the money. It's quick and non confrontational, so you get by without a scene, but leaves them with a vague feeling of being pissed on.
Re: Panhandlers in the area on the rise??
Posted by:
oldguy
()
Date: September 10, 2013 09:09AM
answers Wrote:
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> There's one at Carlin Springs and Route 50,
> another at the Harris Teeter on Columbia Pike.
>
> Best answer works of you are walking by with
> friends, just tell the bum that your buddy has all
> the money, they are so stupid that they fall for
> it every time and immediately begin to harass your
> friend.
>
> Second best answer is "no thanks", like they just
> offered to perform some service in exchange for
> the money. It's quick and non confrontational, so
> you get by without a scene, but leaves them with a
> vague feeling of being pissed on.
How about just a firm NO. Why should I thank them for panhandling me?
-------------------------------------------------------
> There's one at Carlin Springs and Route 50,
> another at the Harris Teeter on Columbia Pike.
>
> Best answer works of you are walking by with
> friends, just tell the bum that your buddy has all
> the money, they are so stupid that they fall for
> it every time and immediately begin to harass your
> friend.
>
> Second best answer is "no thanks", like they just
> offered to perform some service in exchange for
> the money. It's quick and non confrontational, so
> you get by without a scene, but leaves them with a
> vague feeling of being pissed on.
How about just a firm NO. Why should I thank them for panhandling me?
Re: Panhandlers in the area on the rise??
Posted by:
dumb ass
()
Date: September 10, 2013 09:59AM
oldguy Wrote:
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> answers Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > There's one at Carlin Springs and Route 50,
> > another at the Harris Teeter on Columbia Pike.
> >
> > Best answer works of you are walking by with
> > friends, just tell the bum that your buddy has
> all
> > the money, they are so stupid that they fall
> for
> > it every time and immediately begin to harass
> your
> > friend.
> >
> > Second best answer is "no thanks", like they
> just
> > offered to perform some service in exchange for
> > the money. It's quick and non confrontational,
> so
> > you get by without a scene, but leaves them with
> a
> > vague feeling of being pissed on.
>
>
> How about just a firm NO. Why should I thank
> them for panhandling me?
Because that's not condescending
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> answers Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > There's one at Carlin Springs and Route 50,
> > another at the Harris Teeter on Columbia Pike.
> >
> > Best answer works of you are walking by with
> > friends, just tell the bum that your buddy has
> all
> > the money, they are so stupid that they fall
> for
> > it every time and immediately begin to harass
> your
> > friend.
> >
> > Second best answer is "no thanks", like they
> just
> > offered to perform some service in exchange for
> > the money. It's quick and non confrontational,
> so
> > you get by without a scene, but leaves them with
> a
> > vague feeling of being pissed on.
>
>
> How about just a firm NO. Why should I thank
> them for panhandling me?
Because that's not condescending
Re: Panhandlers in the area on the rise??
Posted by:
Patient Explanation.
()
Date: September 10, 2013 10:03AM
Learn to read Wrote:
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> Read the VA code dumbass. Illegal...
>
> See ORD-9928-S9 in the 2012 Virginia Crime Code:
> http://www.vcsc.virginia.gov/VCCs/2012/AllActive_V
> CC2012.pdf
The link you posted is outdated. The current version of the document is http://www.vcsc.virginia.gov/VCCs/2013/AllActiveVCCs.pdf
Secondly, the document is a list of Virginia Crime Codes from the Virginia Criminal Sentencing Commission, which merely specifies how crimes should be punished once the person is convicted of a crime.
ORD-9928-S9 just means that it's a criminal offense if there's a local ordnance against it (the "ORD" part) and that is has a special sentencing structure (the "S9" part).
Panhandling and begging are not crimes defined in the Code of Virginia; they're left up to the local municipalities (cities, towns and counties) to define.
So, you need to find us a specific section from the Fairfax County Code of Ordinances, which is at http://www.municode.com/library/VA/Fairfax_County, which says that panhandling or begging is a crime.
There is a Herndon town ordinance against vehicle solicitation, Sec. 42-136, and it's defined as class 2 misdemeanor (six months in jail, $1,000 fine) in Sec. 42-137. http://www.municode.com/library/VA/Herndon
Know what the documents you're referring to are before you start figuratively waving them in people's faces.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Read the VA code dumbass. Illegal...
>
> See ORD-9928-S9 in the 2012 Virginia Crime Code:
> http://www.vcsc.virginia.gov/VCCs/2012/AllActive_V
> CC2012.pdf
The link you posted is outdated. The current version of the document is http://www.vcsc.virginia.gov/VCCs/2013/AllActiveVCCs.pdf
Secondly, the document is a list of Virginia Crime Codes from the Virginia Criminal Sentencing Commission, which merely specifies how crimes should be punished once the person is convicted of a crime.
ORD-9928-S9 just means that it's a criminal offense if there's a local ordnance against it (the "ORD" part) and that is has a special sentencing structure (the "S9" part).
Panhandling and begging are not crimes defined in the Code of Virginia; they're left up to the local municipalities (cities, towns and counties) to define.
So, you need to find us a specific section from the Fairfax County Code of Ordinances, which is at http://www.municode.com/library/VA/Fairfax_County, which says that panhandling or begging is a crime.
There is a Herndon town ordinance against vehicle solicitation, Sec. 42-136, and it's defined as class 2 misdemeanor (six months in jail, $1,000 fine) in Sec. 42-137. http://www.municode.com/library/VA/Herndon
Know what the documents you're referring to are before you start figuratively waving them in people's faces.
Re: Panhandlers in the area on the rise??
Posted by:
Patient Explanation - Epic Fail
()
Date: September 10, 2013 12:35PM
Patient Explanation. Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Learn to read Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Read the VA code dumbass. Illegal...
> >
> > See ORD-9928-S9 in the 2012 Virginia Crime
> Code:
> >
> http://www.vcsc.virginia.gov/VCCs/2012/AllActive_V
>
> > CC2012.pdf
>
> The link you posted is outdated. The current
> version of the document is
> http://www.vcsc.virginia.gov/VCCs/2013/AllActiveVC
> Cs.pdf
>
> Secondly, the document is a list of Virginia Crime
> Codes from the Virginia Criminal Sentencing
> Commission, which merely specifies how crimes
> should be punished once the person is
> convicted of a crime.
>
> ORD-9928-S9 just means that it's a criminal
> offense if there's a local ordnance
> against it (the "ORD" part) and that is has a
> special sentencing structure (the "S9" part).
>
> Panhandling and begging are not crimes defined in
> the Code of Virginia; they're left up to the local
> municipalities (cities, towns and counties) to
> define.
>
> So, you need to find us a specific section from
> the Fairfax County Code of Ordinances, which is at
> http://www.municode.com/library/VA/Fairfax_County,
> which says that panhandling or begging is a
> crime.
>
> There is a Herndon town ordinance against
> vehicle solicitation, Sec. 42-136, and it's
> defined as class 2 misdemeanor (six months in
> jail, $1,000 fine) in Sec. 42-137.
> http://www.municode.com/library/VA/Herndon
>
> Know what the documents you're referring to are
> before you start figuratively waving them in
> people's faces.
Fuck You, you posted a lengthy explanation without the Fairfax ordinance. Epic Fail.
Article 1. - In General.
Article 2. - Licenses.
http://library.municode.com/HTML/10051/level2/FACOCO_CH31PESOCA.html#fn_86#TOPTITLE
Section 31-1-2. Prohibited acts.
(a)
It shall be unlawful for any canvasser, peddler, or solicitor to ring the bell, or knock on the door, or otherwise attempt to gain admittance for the purpose of canvassing, peddling or soliciting at any residence, dwelling or apartment at which a sign bearing the words "No Peddlers or Solicitors" or words of similar import indicating that such persons are not wanted on said premises, is painted, affixed or otherwise exposed to public view.
(b)
It shall be unlawful for any canvasser, peddler, or solicitor, to canvass, peddle, or solicit except between the hours of 9:00 A.M. and 8:00 P.M.
(c)
It shall be unlawful for any canvasser, peddler, or solicitor to fail to disclose to the prospective buyer, upon request, his name and the name of the company, product or organization he represents, and if requested so to do, to leave the premises immediately.
(d)
It shall be unlawful for any canvasser, peddler, or solicitor to make any assertion, representation or statement of fact which misrepresents the purpose of his call, or use any plan, scheme, or ruse which misrepresents such purpose.
(e)
It shall be unlawful for any peddler or solicitor to fail to provide, at the request of the purchaser, a written receipt, which receipt shall be signed by the person making the sale and shall set forth a brief description of the goods or services sold, the total purchase price thereof, amount of cash payment, if any, and the balance due and terms of payment.
(f)
It shall be unlawful for any person licensed pursuant to this Chapter to use or exploit the fact of being licensed so as to lead the public to believe that such registration in any manner constitutes an endorsement or approval by this County; provided, however, that the use of the following statement shall not be deemed a prohibited exploitation:"Licensed by the Director of the Fairfax County Department of Consumer Affairs as required by law. Licensing does not imply endorsement by Fairfax County.
(g)
It shall be unlawful for any canvasser, peddler, or solicitor to give false or incorrect information to the Director in filing statements or reports required by this Chapter.
(h)
It shall be unlawful for any person who is licensed as a promoter of an arts and crafts show pursuant to this Chapter to fail to submit a roster of all peddlers, itinerant merchants, or solicitors who are expected to participate in any arts and crafts show being sponsored by that person to the Director no less than three (3) days prior to conducting any such show. That roster also shall indicate the time and place of the expected show.
(i)
It shall be unlawful for any person who is licensed as a promoter of an arts and crafts show pursuant to this Chapter to fail to keep at the site of an arts and crafts show a current roster of all peddlers, itinerant merchants, or solicitors participating in any ongoing arts and crafts show being sponsored by that person, and it shall be unlawful to fail to show such roster upon request to the Director or to any law enforcement official.
(j)
It shall be unlawful for any such promoter to fail to file with the Director a complete roster of all such participants within seven (7) days after the completion of any arts and crafts show sponsored by the promoter within the County. All such rosters shall record the time and location of the event, and such rosters shall identify the full name, address, telephone number and nature of business for each participant. (16-76-31; 43-81-31; 22-84-31; 10-93-31, ยง 1.)
-------------------------------------------------------
> Learn to read Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Read the VA code dumbass. Illegal...
> >
> > See ORD-9928-S9 in the 2012 Virginia Crime
> Code:
> >
> http://www.vcsc.virginia.gov/VCCs/2012/AllActive_V
>
> > CC2012.pdf
>
> The link you posted is outdated. The current
> version of the document is
> http://www.vcsc.virginia.gov/VCCs/2013/AllActiveVC
> Cs.pdf
>
> Secondly, the document is a list of Virginia Crime
> Codes from the Virginia Criminal Sentencing
> Commission, which merely specifies how crimes
> should be punished once the person is
> convicted of a crime.
>
> ORD-9928-S9 just means that it's a criminal
> offense if there's a local ordnance
> against it (the "ORD" part) and that is has a
> special sentencing structure (the "S9" part).
>
> Panhandling and begging are not crimes defined in
> the Code of Virginia; they're left up to the local
> municipalities (cities, towns and counties) to
> define.
>
> So, you need to find us a specific section from
> the Fairfax County Code of Ordinances, which is at
> http://www.municode.com/library/VA/Fairfax_County,
> which says that panhandling or begging is a
> crime.
>
> There is a Herndon town ordinance against
> vehicle solicitation, Sec. 42-136, and it's
> defined as class 2 misdemeanor (six months in
> jail, $1,000 fine) in Sec. 42-137.
> http://www.municode.com/library/VA/Herndon
>
> Know what the documents you're referring to are
> before you start figuratively waving them in
> people's faces.
Fuck You, you posted a lengthy explanation without the Fairfax ordinance. Epic Fail.
Article 1. - In General.
Article 2. - Licenses.
http://library.municode.com/HTML/10051/level2/FACOCO_CH31PESOCA.html#fn_86#TOPTITLE
Section 31-1-2. Prohibited acts.
(a)
It shall be unlawful for any canvasser, peddler, or solicitor to ring the bell, or knock on the door, or otherwise attempt to gain admittance for the purpose of canvassing, peddling or soliciting at any residence, dwelling or apartment at which a sign bearing the words "No Peddlers or Solicitors" or words of similar import indicating that such persons are not wanted on said premises, is painted, affixed or otherwise exposed to public view.
(b)
It shall be unlawful for any canvasser, peddler, or solicitor, to canvass, peddle, or solicit except between the hours of 9:00 A.M. and 8:00 P.M.
(c)
It shall be unlawful for any canvasser, peddler, or solicitor to fail to disclose to the prospective buyer, upon request, his name and the name of the company, product or organization he represents, and if requested so to do, to leave the premises immediately.
(d)
It shall be unlawful for any canvasser, peddler, or solicitor to make any assertion, representation or statement of fact which misrepresents the purpose of his call, or use any plan, scheme, or ruse which misrepresents such purpose.
(e)
It shall be unlawful for any peddler or solicitor to fail to provide, at the request of the purchaser, a written receipt, which receipt shall be signed by the person making the sale and shall set forth a brief description of the goods or services sold, the total purchase price thereof, amount of cash payment, if any, and the balance due and terms of payment.
(f)
It shall be unlawful for any person licensed pursuant to this Chapter to use or exploit the fact of being licensed so as to lead the public to believe that such registration in any manner constitutes an endorsement or approval by this County; provided, however, that the use of the following statement shall not be deemed a prohibited exploitation:"Licensed by the Director of the Fairfax County Department of Consumer Affairs as required by law. Licensing does not imply endorsement by Fairfax County.
(g)
It shall be unlawful for any canvasser, peddler, or solicitor to give false or incorrect information to the Director in filing statements or reports required by this Chapter.
(h)
It shall be unlawful for any person who is licensed as a promoter of an arts and crafts show pursuant to this Chapter to fail to submit a roster of all peddlers, itinerant merchants, or solicitors who are expected to participate in any arts and crafts show being sponsored by that person to the Director no less than three (3) days prior to conducting any such show. That roster also shall indicate the time and place of the expected show.
(i)
It shall be unlawful for any person who is licensed as a promoter of an arts and crafts show pursuant to this Chapter to fail to keep at the site of an arts and crafts show a current roster of all peddlers, itinerant merchants, or solicitors participating in any ongoing arts and crafts show being sponsored by that person, and it shall be unlawful to fail to show such roster upon request to the Director or to any law enforcement official.
(j)
It shall be unlawful for any such promoter to fail to file with the Director a complete roster of all such participants within seven (7) days after the completion of any arts and crafts show sponsored by the promoter within the County. All such rosters shall record the time and location of the event, and such rosters shall identify the full name, address, telephone number and nature of business for each participant. (16-76-31; 43-81-31; 22-84-31; 10-93-31, ยง 1.)
Re: Panhandlers in the area on the rise??
Posted by:
oldguy
()
Date: September 10, 2013 02:13PM
dumb ass Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> oldguy Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > answers Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > There's one at Carlin Springs and Route 50,
> > > another at the Harris Teeter on Columbia Pike.
>
> > >
> > > Best answer works of you are walking by with
> > > friends, just tell the bum that your buddy
> has
> > all
> > > the money, they are so stupid that they fall
> > for
> > > it every time and immediately begin to harass
> > your
> > > friend.
> > >
> > > Second best answer is "no thanks", like they
> > just
> > > offered to perform some service in exchange
> for
> > > the money. It's quick and non
> confrontational,
> > so
> > > you get by without a scene, but leaves them
> with
> > a
> > > vague feeling of being pissed on.
> >
> >
> > How about just a firm NO. Why should I
> thank
> > them for panhandling me?
>
>
> Because that's not condescending
You are correct. I wouldn't want the panhandling bums to feel inferior.
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> oldguy Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > answers Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > There's one at Carlin Springs and Route 50,
> > > another at the Harris Teeter on Columbia Pike.
>
> > >
> > > Best answer works of you are walking by with
> > > friends, just tell the bum that your buddy
> has
> > all
> > > the money, they are so stupid that they fall
> > for
> > > it every time and immediately begin to harass
> > your
> > > friend.
> > >
> > > Second best answer is "no thanks", like they
> > just
> > > offered to perform some service in exchange
> for
> > > the money. It's quick and non
> confrontational,
> > so
> > > you get by without a scene, but leaves them
> with
> > a
> > > vague feeling of being pissed on.
> >
> >
> > How about just a firm NO. Why should I
> thank
> > them for panhandling me?
>
>
> Because that's not condescending
You are correct. I wouldn't want the panhandling bums to feel inferior.
Re: Panhandlers in the area on the rise??
Posted by:
fairymanderer
()
Date: September 10, 2013 02:20PM
Could be two reasons. One, the economy is shit in which case liberals blame Bush.
Two, Obama has taught people that money is owed to you for the asking. No work required.
In the past people who needed money would offer to do odd jobs or clean up outside a business. Now they are just bums.
Two, Obama has taught people that money is owed to you for the asking. No work required.
In the past people who needed money would offer to do odd jobs or clean up outside a business. Now they are just bums.
Re: Panhandlers in the area on the rise??
Posted by:
Patient Explanation.
()
Date: September 10, 2013 02:22PM
Patient Explanation - Epic Fail Wrote:
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> Fuck You, you posted a lengthy explanation without
> the Fairfax ordinance. Epic Fail.
>
And a happy birthday to you, as well.
I deliberately didn't post an excerpt from the Fairfax Ordinances because there's nothing specifically in there about panhandling or begging. As far as I can tell, Fairfax county hasn't passed any laws about it, probably because they don't want the ACLU or some other civil rights group suing them for restricting some panhandler's First Amendment rights.
That's also why the Herndon ordinance is cloaked in the language of traffic safety. It's specifically to fend off First Amendment claims. That's perfectly fine with me, and it gives the Herndon cops something to do.
You could possibly torture the definition of "solicitor" given in §l 31-1-1(a) after you parse the definition of "solicit" into meaning someone who's panhandling or begging, but that's a series of legal gymnastics I'm not flexible enough to perform.
It might be amusing to demand they give me a receipt, as provided in 31-1-1(e).
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> Fuck You, you posted a lengthy explanation without
> the Fairfax ordinance. Epic Fail.
>
And a happy birthday to you, as well.
I deliberately didn't post an excerpt from the Fairfax Ordinances because there's nothing specifically in there about panhandling or begging. As far as I can tell, Fairfax county hasn't passed any laws about it, probably because they don't want the ACLU or some other civil rights group suing them for restricting some panhandler's First Amendment rights.
That's also why the Herndon ordinance is cloaked in the language of traffic safety. It's specifically to fend off First Amendment claims. That's perfectly fine with me, and it gives the Herndon cops something to do.
You could possibly torture the definition of "solicitor" given in §l 31-1-1(a) after you parse the definition of "solicit" into meaning someone who's panhandling or begging, but that's a series of legal gymnastics I'm not flexible enough to perform.
It might be amusing to demand they give me a receipt, as provided in 31-1-1(e).
Re: Panhandlers in the area on the rise??
Posted by:
Gerold Z
()
Date: September 10, 2013 03:14PM
It is getting damn old. They are everywhere. Not only the usual lazy bums but a non stop parade of non profits to your front door asking for donations. I get at least four every Saturday morning asking for money.
Re: Panhandlers in the area on the rise??
Posted by:
Cathy Johnston
()
Date: September 10, 2013 03:41PM
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Re: Panhandlers in the area on the rise??
Posted by:
Technically...
()
Date: September 10, 2013 05:36PM
Patient Explanation. Wrote:
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> Patient Explanation - Epic Fail Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Fuck You, you posted a lengthy explanation
> without
> > the Fairfax ordinance. Epic Fail.
> >
>
> And a happy birthday to you, as well.
>
> I deliberately didn't post an excerpt from the
> Fairfax Ordinances because there's nothing
> specifically in there about panhandling or
> begging. As far as I can tell, Fairfax county
> hasn't passed any laws about it, probably because
> they don't want the ACLU or some other civil
> rights group suing them for restricting some
> panhandler's First Amendment rights.
>
> That's also why the Herndon ordinance is cloaked
> in the language of traffic safety. It's
> specifically to fend off First Amendment claims.
> That's perfectly fine with me, and it gives the
> Herndon cops something to do.
>
> You could possibly torture the definition of
> "solicitor" given in §l 31-1-1(a) after you
> parse the definition of "solicit" into meaning
> someone who's panhandling or begging, but that's a
> series of legal gymnastics I'm not flexible enough
> to perform.
>
> It might be amusing to demand they give me a
> receipt, as provided in 31-1-1(e).
I think the police could get them for fraud or mispresentation under this statute because technically they are solicitors correct? Per the statue the defintion is as follows...
Solicit and solicitation mean to operate from a temporary stand, display or similar facility, or to travel from house to house, door to door, street to street, or from place to place taking or attempting to take orders for sale of goods, wares or merchandise, subscriptions, personal property of any nature whatsoever for future delivery, or for services to be furnished or performed in the future, whether or not responding to appointments prearranged by telephone, telegraph, correspondence or other means of communication. To hire, lease, use or occupy any building or structure, lodging house, apartment, shop or any other place within the County for the sole purpose of exhibiting samples and taking orders for future delivery.
Solicitor means a person who solicits for himself or any other person.
(d)
It shall be unlawful for any canvasser, peddler, or solicitor to make any assertion, representation or statement of fact which misrepresents the purpose of his call, or use any plan, scheme, or ruse which misrepresents such purpose.
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> Patient Explanation - Epic Fail Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Fuck You, you posted a lengthy explanation
> without
> > the Fairfax ordinance. Epic Fail.
> >
>
> And a happy birthday to you, as well.
>
> I deliberately didn't post an excerpt from the
> Fairfax Ordinances because there's nothing
> specifically in there about panhandling or
> begging. As far as I can tell, Fairfax county
> hasn't passed any laws about it, probably because
> they don't want the ACLU or some other civil
> rights group suing them for restricting some
> panhandler's First Amendment rights.
>
> That's also why the Herndon ordinance is cloaked
> in the language of traffic safety. It's
> specifically to fend off First Amendment claims.
> That's perfectly fine with me, and it gives the
> Herndon cops something to do.
>
> You could possibly torture the definition of
> "solicitor" given in §l 31-1-1(a) after you
> parse the definition of "solicit" into meaning
> someone who's panhandling or begging, but that's a
> series of legal gymnastics I'm not flexible enough
> to perform.
>
> It might be amusing to demand they give me a
> receipt, as provided in 31-1-1(e).
I think the police could get them for fraud or mispresentation under this statute because technically they are solicitors correct? Per the statue the defintion is as follows...
Solicit and solicitation mean to operate from a temporary stand, display or similar facility, or to travel from house to house, door to door, street to street, or from place to place taking or attempting to take orders for sale of goods, wares or merchandise, subscriptions, personal property of any nature whatsoever for future delivery, or for services to be furnished or performed in the future, whether or not responding to appointments prearranged by telephone, telegraph, correspondence or other means of communication. To hire, lease, use or occupy any building or structure, lodging house, apartment, shop or any other place within the County for the sole purpose of exhibiting samples and taking orders for future delivery.
Solicitor means a person who solicits for himself or any other person.
(d)
It shall be unlawful for any canvasser, peddler, or solicitor to make any assertion, representation or statement of fact which misrepresents the purpose of his call, or use any plan, scheme, or ruse which misrepresents such purpose.
Re: Panhandlers in the area on the rise??
Posted by:
Commuter
()
Date: September 15, 2013 05:50PM
Saw one today in shopping center at Burke Center Pkwy and Route 123. Lady who looked Indian or something with the traditional dress holding a baby came up to us in the parking lot with a cardboard sign. What is this shit doing in our area all of a sudden? Does a van drop these people off or something? How are they getting here on a Sunday when no bus service? We need to stake them out and see where they go.
Re: Panhandlers in the area on the rise??
Posted by:
Well...
()
Date: September 15, 2013 05:52PM
Commuter Wrote:
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> Saw one today in shopping center at Burke Center
> Pkwy and Route 123. Lady who looked Indian or
> something with the traditional dress holding a
> baby came up to us in the parking lot with a
> cardboard sign. What is this shit doing in our
> area all of a sudden? Does a van drop these people
> off or something? How are they getting here on a
> Sunday when no bus service? We need to stake them
> out and see where they go.
Why didn't you just run them down with your car? How about throwing eggs at them? Harsh language usually won't do it.
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> Saw one today in shopping center at Burke Center
> Pkwy and Route 123. Lady who looked Indian or
> something with the traditional dress holding a
> baby came up to us in the parking lot with a
> cardboard sign. What is this shit doing in our
> area all of a sudden? Does a van drop these people
> off or something? How are they getting here on a
> Sunday when no bus service? We need to stake them
> out and see where they go.
Why didn't you just run them down with your car? How about throwing eggs at them? Harsh language usually won't do it.
Re: Panhandlers in the area on the rise??
Posted by:
h799t
()
Date: September 15, 2013 06:07PM
Commuter Wrote:
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> We need to stake them
> out and see where they go.
Is that illegal?
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> We need to stake them
> out and see where they go.
Is that illegal?
Re: Panhandlers in the area on the rise??
Posted by:
Actually...
()
Date: September 16, 2013 03:51AM
h799t Wrote:
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> Commuter Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > We need to stake them
> > out and see where they go.
>
> Is that illegal?
Nope, just so long as that's all you do. Film them on video, get their license plate #'s, and report it to the police.
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> Commuter Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > We need to stake them
> > out and see where they go.
>
> Is that illegal?
Nope, just so long as that's all you do. Film them on video, get their license plate #'s, and report it to the police.
Re: Panhandlers in the area on the rise??
Posted by:
Giant in Vienna Va
()
Date: February 12, 2014 07:28AM
I saw this article today...
Police Shoo Panhandler from Shopping Center in Vienna
http://www.sungazette.net/mclean-greatfalls-vienna-oakton/crime/police-shoo-panhandler-from-shopping-center-in-vienna/article_deeed240-9333-11e3-ae39-001a4bcf887a.html
Vienna police were called to the Giant Shopping Center, 359 Maple Ave., E., on Feb. 1 at 5:02 p.m. after receiving a report of a woman who had been asking for money and gift cards from customers in the shopping center.
Police located the woman and informed her that she would need to cease her panhandling. The woman agreed to comply and left the area, police said.
Police Shoo Panhandler from Shopping Center in Vienna
http://www.sungazette.net/mclean-greatfalls-vienna-oakton/crime/police-shoo-panhandler-from-shopping-center-in-vienna/article_deeed240-9333-11e3-ae39-001a4bcf887a.html
Vienna police were called to the Giant Shopping Center, 359 Maple Ave., E., on Feb. 1 at 5:02 p.m. after receiving a report of a woman who had been asking for money and gift cards from customers in the shopping center.
Police located the woman and informed her that she would need to cease her panhandling. The woman agreed to comply and left the area, police said.
Re: Panhandlers in the area on the rise??
Posted by:
BUTT SLASHER
()
Date: February 12, 2014 08:26AM
We need to get some Mexicans, over in Manassas to go over to shopping centers, then stab these dirty Gypsy in their butts. Then have the Mexicans arrested for assault. Thus we will get rid of two problems in one great show of dirty forigners gettign beaten
Re: Panhandlers in the area on the rise??
Posted by:
home protection
()
Date: February 12, 2014 09:52AM
The .01% need home missile defense systems. If OJ had those missile shields in place at Nicole's condo, Ron Goldman may never have been killed by a rogue attacker.