Bob Bruhns Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Tysons Engineer Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > > I never said there were any links to post,
> > someone
> > > else did. There is a conference bridge that
> is
> > > opened prior to every meeting so that those
> who
> > > cannot attend in person can hear/join the
> > > discussion (if its open forum).
> >
> >
> > See this is how ignorant you are of the meetings
> I
> > am talking about
> >
> > THEY WERENT AT THE GOVT BUILDING IDIOT
> >
> > They were at varying locations around the
> county.
> > One was held in mclean at the library, another
> in
> > Vienna at Westbriar, one in Tysons/FC at Pimmit
> > Library
>
> I never said what the locations were at all!


You said they post the video online. Let me grab that quote for you

Tysons Engineer Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> My favorite part was when Bob tells me I dont
> attend the public meetings, and then I point out
> the construction schedule and operation schedule
> as presented by FCDOT at a public meeting he
> wasn't at.

Uh, many of us join those remotely. It is the 21st century after all.
- Bob

Are you trying to weasel out now to the fact that you implied you watched it online?

It is the 21st century after all and the best part about the 21st century is, all the lies you are spouting will be recorded for eternity. And I am gonna LOVE using them against you when the trains are running in Tysons, Mk champ?



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 06/17/2013 04:10PM by Tysons Engineer.

What happened to Howard anyways? He never did answer any technical questions, using his knowledge of construction that he says he has *aka day laborer at 7-11* about how the testing of the sensor equipment would affect the schedule of the project 10 weeks (a massive amount of time in construction terms when you are nearing the punchout) considering it isnt on the critical path.

Howard are you ok? Did you have a construction accident and are unable to answer any questions?

You drop massive attacks like there is going to be a 10 week delay, then disappear without any proof such as the length of time necessary to retest, the amount of time that would be needed to replace the sensors, if there is any leadtime needed for the sensor equipment to be delivered. Whether there is an issue in picking up this testing in the float for the project.

Hello?



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 06/17/2013 04:14PM by Tysons Engineer.

?????????? Wrote:
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> Tysons Engineer Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I dont see you in any of these pictures bob?
> You
> > seem to love throwing stones for someone living
> in
> > a glass house, telling me I dont attend the
> > public meetings that matter here is a case
> > where I in fact did and you didnt, then you
> come
> > on here and tell people lies that if you had
> > attended that meeting you would have heard
> > yourself.
> >
> >
> http://thetysonscorner.com/tysons-bus-routes-show-
>
> > disinterest-for-existing-residents/
>
> And just where are you in those pictures?
Attachments:

Troll ignored

Bob Bruhns Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Tysons Engineer Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > > I never said there were any links to post,
> > someone
> > > else did. There is a conference bridge that
> is
> > > opened prior to every meeting so that those
> who
> > > cannot attend in person can hear/join the
> > > discussion (if its open forum).
> >
> >
> > See this is how ignorant you are of the meetings
> I
> > am talking about
> >
> > THEY WERENT AT THE GOVT BUILDING IDIOT
> >
> > They were at varying locations around the
> county.
> > One was held in mclean at the library, another
> in
> > Vienna at Westbriar, one in Tysons/FC at Pimmit
> > Library
>
> I never said what the locations were at all!


You said they post the video online. Let me grab that quote for you

Tysons Engineer Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> My favorite part was when Bob tells me I dont
> attend the public meetings, and then I point out
> the construction schedule and operation schedule
> as presented by FCDOT at a public meeting he
> wasn't at.

Uh, many of us join those remotely. It is the 21st century after all.
- Bob

Are you trying to weasel out now to the fact that you implied you watched it online?

It is the 21st century after all and the best part about the 21st century is, all the lies you are spouting will be recorded for eternity. And I am gonna LOVE using them against you when the trains are running in Tysons, Mk champ?

Examining the so-called facts. Dulles Rail Phase II is incredibly expensive. So, nobody wants to pay for it. The toll road users don't want to pay for it. Virginia taxpayers don't want to pay for it. US taxpayers don't want to pay for it.

Our leaders are continually quoted in the news media, saying that they are looking at ways to lower the costs of this incredibly expensive project. We even had the FTA come and examine the project and recommend a few things.

So it is a mystery to me why all of these leaders and agencies, and all of their accountants and analysts, did not notice that in line item after line item, the costs in Dulles Rail Phase II are about twice what would be expected, based on recent similar work in similar areas.

Consider the following three comparisons.



COMPARISON 1: THE FRANCONIA-SPRINGFIELD METRO EXTENSION

Dulles Rail Phase II is about five times the size of the Franconia-Springfield Metro job.

Franconia-Springfield: 3.3 miles of track and a station - $175 million in 1997.

Dulles Rail Phase II: 11.6 miles of track and six stations - over $3 billion in 2012.

Five times $175 million is $875 million. But the cost of Dulles Rail Phase II is over $3 billion. That's about 3.5 times the proportional cost of the Springfield Metro, probably even more. But for argument's sake, I will say 3.5 to 1.

Could this 3.5 to 1 increase be a result of inflation, when the construction industry is depressed? No. Here is Comparison 2 to show that inflation does not account for this 3.5 to 1 bloat.



COMPARISON 2: THE FAIRFIELD, CONNECTICUT METRO STATION

A metro station completed in December 2011 in posh Fairfield, Connecticut cost $43.7 million AFTER cost overruns, while our comparable Rt 28 station will supposedly cost $83 million. Can anybody tell me why our stations should cost two times as much?

Millions more needed to finish Fairfield Metro station.
http://www.ctpost.com/?news/article/?Millions-more-needed-to-fin?ish-Fairfield-Metro-144323?5.php

Fairfield Metro Station Opens.
http://www.mta.info/mnr/?html/fairfield_metro.htm

Confirmation of the $83 million cost for Dulles Rail Rt 28 station from Fairfax County Executive Griffin, August 3, 2011:
http://www.bruhns.us/civic/DullesRail/2011-08-03-Fairfax-County-RT28-Station-Cost-Confirmation.pdf


COMPARISON 3: THE DULLES RAIL PHASE II PARKING GARAGES

PARKING GARAGE COSTS TRANSFERRED TO LOUDOUN AND FAIRFAX COUNTIES
Per July 3, 2011 FTA White Paper (See Page 4, bottom, which is sheet 5 of the pdf.)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/metro/documents/Dulles_Rail_White_Paper.pdf
-----------------------
Herndon-Monroe: $51.4M, 1949 spaces ($26,372 per space)
Rt 28: $53.5M, 2027 spaces ($26,392 per space)
Rt 606: $51.9M, 1965 spaces ($26,412 per space)
Rt 772 North: $37.8M, 1434 spaces ($26,359 per space)
Rt 778 South: $40.6M, 1540 spaces ($26,363 per space)

TOTAL: $235.3M, 8915 spaces ($26,394 per space)

In comparison, here is a recent price analysis on parking garage costs in North America. It is in Canadian dollars - but the Canadian dollar / US dollar exchange rate since 2007 has ranged from 1.0 to 1.2 - meaning that if anything, the cost of the Dulles Rail Phase II parking garages is even more bloated than a direct comparison indicates.

http://www.vtpi.org/tca/tca0504.pdf

$26,394 per space is VERY much on the high side, exceeding even the costs in New York City! And the $20,326 per space cost in New York City is very much on the high side of the US national average cost. Think about it - Dulles Rail Phase II is not in a congested city, it is in a suburb. Our cost should be more like the US average of $15,000 per space, I think. No?



CONCLUSION

We are clearly being handed a $40 million overcharge for the Rt 28 station... so what about the other five stations - Reston Parkway, Herndon, Dulles Airport, Rt 606 and Rt 772? Should we not expect that they will cost $40 million too much, as well? We could easily have about $240 million of overcharge for the Dulles Rail Phase II stations.

And it looks as though we are being overcharged by at least $101.6 million for the parking garages too.

So even though our leaders claim to have been looking for costs that can be cut in this project, and even though the FTA came in and did the same thing, we have a definite $141 million overcharge that can easily be seen in these two items alone, and probably another $200 million overcharge from the other five stations in Dulles Rail Phase II. I think it is very likely that the total does indeed equal or even exceed $340 million of overcharge for the stations and parking garages alone!

These are not small errors, these are nearly two-to-one excesses! So why did all of the official analysts miss this? Did they even look at it at all? And do our leaders not compare costs before accepting such incredibly expensive proposals? What is going on here? And what else will I find as I examine the rest of the line items?

You know... if MWAA and FTA managed to overcharge us so much for THOSE things... maybe it's time to ask what ELSE they did. I think it is time for a serious and official review and adjustment of the costs that MWAA and FTA are trying to force upon this region. Not another FTA whitewash, but a real review and adjustment. No?

And bring back your little friend howard to lie for you too

HAHAHAHAHAH

Oh god, the idiot keeps getting proven wrong so what does he do, now he wants to change subjects to Phase 2.

Whats wrong buddy? Can't make an argument by staying on topic?



I'm still waiting to see those links on the County website for video of a meeting that wasn't recorded.



Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 06/17/2013 04:20PM by Tysons Engineer.

Just to help everyone remember

Re: Silver Line opening delayed until January
Posted by: Tysons Engineer ()
Date: June 17, 2013 11:58AM

Bob Bruhns Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Tysons Engineer Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Hey idiot
> >
> > its a one week delay. I talked to the author of
> > the article, I warned him his headline deceived
> > his story.
> >
> > Read the damn story jackass. its a one week
> delay,
> > that will likely not even have an impact to the
> > opening and it certainly has NOTHING to do with
> > construction (which will be complete last week
> of
> > September/1st week of october)
> >
> > it has to do with WMATA being an idiotic
> > establishment of morons like you, not capable
> of
> > concurrently doing anything with the contractor
> at
> > the same time (like testing).
> >
> > damned idiot I swear
>
> Then cite a specific county/city source that has a
> date of when the construction will be completed.
> Guess what? There isn't one. The reason for this
> is clear and understandable, there are a number of
> inspections, reviews, etc. that will need to be
> done that could affect that date. This is typical
> in construction projects, nothing special here.
> The source I spoke to, cited that the January date
> was "Optimistic". More likely "it will be early to
> mid-Febuary before it is complete."

Hey jackass, look at the Silver Line Bus schedule for open. December 31st 2013.

Ass

Perhaps if YOU had been at that meeting you would know.

Here is a transcript from a online chat also, that confirms late December 2013 was always the anticipated opening service. Search December and you will find the answer in that link.

http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/AskFairfax/Archive/ArchiveDiscussion.aspx?roomid=53

Heres another one, again search December and you will find it

http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/askfairfax/Archive/ArchiveDiscussion.aspx?roomid=57

And lastly,

Just to confirm you are full of shit

http://www.slideshare.net/fairfaxcounty/round2-silver-linebusservice

Slide 26 of FFX Co presentation. And I quoteth

"The Silver Line is anticipated to start operations December 31, 2013"

Any other lies and horseshit you wanna spread on the world wide web without any knowledge of reality Bob?

Tysons Engineer Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Troll ignored
>
> Bob Bruhns Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Tysons Engineer Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > > I never said there were any links to post,
> > > someone
> > > > else did. There is a conference bridge that
> > is
> > > > opened prior to every meeting so that those
> > who
> > > > cannot attend in person can hear/join the
> > > > discussion (if its open forum).
> > >
> > >
> > > See this is how ignorant you are of the
> meetings
> > I
> > > am talking about
> > >
> > > THEY WERENT AT THE GOVT BUILDING IDIOT
> > >
> > > They were at varying locations around the
> > county.
> > > One was held in mclean at the library,
> another
> > in
> > > Vienna at Westbriar, one in Tysons/FC at
> Pimmit
> > > Library
> >
> > I never said what the locations were at all!
>
>
> You said they post the video online. Let me grab
> that quote for you
>
> Tysons Engineer Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > My favorite part was when Bob tells me I dont
> > attend the public meetings, and then I point
> out
> > the construction schedule and operation
> schedule
> > as presented by FCDOT at a public meeting he
> > wasn't at.
>
> Uh, many of us join those remotely. It is the 21st
> century after all.
> - Bob
>
> Are you trying to weasel out now to the fact that
> you implied you watched it online?
>
> It is the 21st century after all and the best part
> about the 21st century is, all the lies you are
> spouting will be recorded for eternity. And I am
> gonna LOVE using them against you when the trains
> are running in Tysons, Mk champ?

You got OWNED!!!

The Fairfield Ct. station appears to have ground-level platforms with a ped bridge over the tracks and no parking garages. I'm not surprised it costs a lot less that our Phase II stations that are built in the median of a highway. The median station design requires long pedestrian bridges across all lanes, which are more expensive to build (can't have supports in the middle) and to construct (must block traffic, etc). The station itself requires multiple levels, escalators, etc. The Phase II stations with their median placement are simply more complicated and expensive to build. The location also limits the type of dense development adjacent to the station which might mitigate parking garage construction.

So it's not all a conspiracy of greedy corporations and construction companies as you imply, the design and location that we're "stuck with" for Phase II plays a part.

Tysons Engineer Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Just to help everyone remember
>
> Re: Silver Line opening delayed until January
> Posted by: Tysons Engineer ()
> Date: June 17, 2013 11:58AM
>
> Bob Bruhns Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Tysons Engineer Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Hey idiot
> > >
> > > its a one week delay. I talked to the author
> of
> > > the article, I warned him his headline
> deceived
> > > his story.
> > >
> > > Read the damn story jackass. its a one week
> > delay,
> > > that will likely not even have an impact to
> the
> > > opening and it certainly has NOTHING to do
> with
> > > construction (which will be complete last
> week
> > of
> > > September/1st week of october)
> > >
> > > it has to do with WMATA being an idiotic
> > > establishment of morons like you, not capable
> > of
> > > concurrently doing anything with the
> contractor
> > at
> > > the same time (like testing).
> > >
> > > damned idiot I swear
> >
> > Then cite a specific county/city source that has
> a
> > date of when the construction will be
> completed.
> > Guess what? There isn't one. The reason for
> this
> > is clear and understandable, there are a number
> of
> > inspections, reviews, etc. that will need to be
> > done that could affect that date. This is
> typical
> > in construction projects, nothing special here.
> > The source I spoke to, cited that the January
> date
> > was "Optimistic". More likely "it will be early
> to
> > mid-Febuary before it is complete."
>
> Hey jackass, look at the Silver Line Bus schedule
> for open. December 31st 2013.
>
> Ass
>
> Perhaps if YOU had been at that meeting you would
> know.
>
> Here is a transcript from a online chat also, that
> confirms late December 2013 was always the
> anticipated opening service. Search December and
> you will find the answer in that link.
>
> http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/AskFairfax/Archive/Ar
> chiveDiscussion.aspx?roomid=53
>
> Heres another one, again search December and you
> will find it
>
> http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/askfairfax/Archive/Ar
> chiveDiscussion.aspx?roomid=57
>
> And lastly,
>
> Just to confirm you are full of shit
>
> http://www.slideshare.net/fairfaxcounty/round2-sil
> ver-linebusservice
>
> Slide 26 of FFX Co presentation. And I quoteth
>
> "The Silver Line is anticipated to start
> operations December 31, 2013"
>
> Any other lies and horseshit you wanna spread on
> the world wide web without any knowledge of
> reality Bob?


Apologies that I never caught the errors in this link. Some bogus question marks got into it. This is the correct link.

Millions more needed to finish Fairfield Metro station.
http://www.ctpost.com/news/article/Millions-more-needed-to-finish-Fairfield-Metro-1443235.php

The Fairfield Metro Station is a Side-Platform Station with a walkway over the four tracks (their system has two express tracks). And the Fairfield Connecticut Metro Station report notes that there are 1,400 parking spaces at the Fairfield Metro station.

http://www.mta.info/news/stories/?story=484

The Rt 28 station will be an Island-Platform Station. The Island Platform design is a lower cost design, because it is a single platform, serving the two tracks on either side.

http://www.railway-technical.com/stations.shtml
See the Station Design section near the end of the report.

Also, the parking garage is not included in the $83 million quote for the Rt 28 station. This was confirmed by Fairfax County Executive Griffin in his August 3, 2011 letter.

http://www.bruhns.us/civic/DullesRail/2011-08-03-Fairfax-County-RT28-Station-Cost-Confirmation.pdf

So the only justification for the extra $40 million of cost seems to be the pedestrian walkway over the Dulles Toll Road.

$40 million for that? Let's remember that a 1/2 mile tunnel under Tysons Corner (a very tricky dig) for Dulles Rail Phase I cost $85 million. So, should a pedestrian bridge over the Dulles Toll Road really cost $40 million? Let's get some perspective here, shall we?

Actually, I'd say that the walkway over the entire Toll Road should not account for more than an additional $10 million, tops. Nowhere near another $40 million. And that ignores the cost reduction because it would be part of the overall station construction, it ignores the existing cost of the overhead structure that it replaces in the Fairfield Connecticut Metro Station design, and it is assuming no further attempt at reducing the cost. (Actually, I hope for some SERIOUS pushback.) So, probably much less than an additional $10 million.

http://mowatco.com/weller_street_elevated_pedestrian_walkway.html

It is time to stop believing, without question, the numbers we have been handed by our government on the Dulles Rail Phase II job.

And then, on March 6, 2012, MWAA raised the estimates for the parking garages by 29%, and MWAA raised the estimate for the Rt 28 Metrorail station by 22%. Taken together, these increases add up to an average of 27% hyperinflation in less than a year since the earlier July 3, 2011 estimates - and the news media didn't happen to mention that stunning hyperinflation at all!

MWAA is saying that the parking garages should cost $34,015 per space, and that the Metrorail station should cost $101 million. This pushes the price to 100% overcost for the parking garages, and well over 100% overcharge for the Metrorail station. When will this end?

Here is a link to my latest detailed report. This document is updated from time to time.
http://www.bruhns.us/civic/DullesRail/Dulles-Rail---Silver-Line-overcost-report---Bruhns.pdf

Tysons Engineer Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Just to help everyone remember
>
> Re: Silver Line opening delayed until January
> Posted by: Tysons Engineer ()
> Date: June 17, 2013 11:58AM
>
> Bob Bruhns Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Tysons Engineer Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Hey idiot
> > >
> > > its a one week delay. I talked to the author
> of
> > > the article, I warned him his headline
> deceived
> > > his story.
> > >
> > > Read the damn story jackass. its a one week
> > delay,
> > > that will likely not even have an impact to
> the
> > > opening and it certainly has NOTHING to do
> with
> > > construction (which will be complete last
> week
> > of
> > > September/1st week of october)
> > >
> > > it has to do with WMATA being an idiotic
> > > establishment of morons like you, not capable
> > of
> > > concurrently doing anything with the
> contractor
> > at
> > > the same time (like testing).
> > >
> > > damned idiot I swear
> >
> > Then cite a specific county/city source that has
> a
> > date of when the construction will be
> completed.
> > Guess what? There isn't one. The reason for
> this
> > is clear and understandable, there are a number
> of
> > inspections, reviews, etc. that will need to be
> > done that could affect that date. This is
> typical
> > in construction projects, nothing special here.
> > The source I spoke to, cited that the January
> date
> > was "Optimistic". More likely "it will be early
> to
> > mid-Febuary before it is complete."
>
> Hey jackass, look at the Silver Line Bus schedule
> for open. December 31st 2013.
>
> Ass
>
> Perhaps if YOU had been at that meeting you would
> know.
>
> Here is a transcript from a online chat also, that
> confirms late December 2013 was always the
> anticipated opening service. Search December and
> you will find the answer in that link.
>
> http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/AskFairfax/Archive/Ar
> chiveDiscussion.aspx?roomid=53
>
> Heres another one, again search December and you
> will find it
>
> http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/askfairfax/Archive/Ar
> chiveDiscussion.aspx?roomid=57
>
> And lastly,
>
> Just to confirm you are full of shit
>
> http://www.slideshare.net/fairfaxcounty/round2-sil
> ver-linebusservice
>
> Slide 26 of FFX Co presentation. And I quoteth
>
> "The Silver Line is anticipated to start
> operations December 31, 2013"
>
> Any other lies and horseshit you wanna spread on
> the world wide web without any knowledge of
> reality Bob?


On November 1, 2012, the US DOT Inspector General reported that MWAA was actually FUNNELING contracts to a mysterious "Contractor A" at 1.3 to 3.3 times what other contractors were charging for the same work. It is not clear if this was related to Dulles Rail work or not - but if they did that there, what ELSE did they do?
http://www.oig.dot.gov/sites/dot/files/MWAA%20Final%20Report.pdf

Also, were the project cost estimators using these contract prices as the basis for their estimates? We don't know, because our so-called 'leaders' will not call the estimators out and demand to know why their estimates are so incredibly high.

The clock is ticking, and our business and political 'leaders' and the news media are whistling and looking the other way. Soon, the contracts will be signed. Will they be double-priced, or will their price be brought down to earth?

Meanwhile, there is still one more US DOT audit in progress - the audit of Dulles Rail Phase II announced on March 15, 2012, that has been completely unreported by the news media.

Audit Initiated of Phase 2 of the Dulles Corridor Metrorail Project
http://www.oig.dot.gov/library-item/5747

Full PDF Document
http://www.oig.dot.gov/sites/dot/files/Dulles%20Phase%202%20Announcement%20Letter%5E3-19-12.pdf

I expect that this will be another nightmare audit report that will not sit well with the public. So, when will enough be enough?

Ah great Bob

A bunch of links to things that have nothing to do with with the subject of this thread OR in response to me calling you out about being a liar



Re: Silver Line opening delayed until January
Posted by: Tysons Engineer ()
Date: June 17, 2013 11:58AM

Bob Bruhns Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Tysons Engineer Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Hey idiot
> >
> > its a one week delay. I talked to the author of
> > the article, I warned him his headline deceived
> > his story.
> >
> > Read the damn story jackass. its a one week
> delay,
> > that will likely not even have an impact to the
> > opening and it certainly has NOTHING to do with
> > construction (which will be complete last week
> of
> > September/1st week of october)
> >
> > it has to do with WMATA being an idiotic
> > establishment of morons like you, not capable
> of
> > concurrently doing anything with the contractor
> at
> > the same time (like testing).
> >
> > damned idiot I swear
>
> Then cite a specific county/city source that has a
> date of when the construction will be completed.
> Guess what? There isn't one. The reason for this
> is clear and understandable, there are a number of
> inspections, reviews, etc. that will need to be
> done that could affect that date. This is typical
> in construction projects, nothing special here.
> The source I spoke to, cited that the January date
> was "Optimistic". More likely "it will be early to
> mid-Febuary before it is complete."

Hey jackass, look at the Silver Line Bus schedule for open. December 31st 2013.

Ass

Perhaps if YOU had been at that meeting you would know.

Here is a transcript from a online chat also, that confirms late December 2013 was always the anticipated opening service. Search December and you will find the answer in that link.

http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/AskFairfax/Archive/ArchiveDiscussion.aspx?roomid=53

Heres another one, again search December and you will find it

http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/askfairfax/Archive/ArchiveDiscussion.aspx?roomid=57

And lastly,

Just to confirm you are full of shit

http://www.slideshare.net/fairfaxcounty/round2-silver-linebusservice

Slide 26 of FFX Co presentation. And I quoteth

"The Silver Line is anticipated to start operations December 31, 2013"

Any other lies and horseshit you wanna spread on the world wide web without any knowledge of reality Bob?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/17/2013 04:27PM by Tysons Engineer.

Re: Silver Line opening delayed until January
Posted by: Tysons Engineer ()
Date: June 17, 2013 04:15PM

Troll ignored

Bob Bruhns Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Tysons Engineer Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > > I never said there were any links to post,
> > someone
> > > else did. There is a conference bridge that
> is
> > > opened prior to every meeting so that those
> who
> > > cannot attend in person can hear/join the
> > > discussion (if its open forum).
> >
> >
> > See this is how ignorant you are of the meetings
> I
> > am talking about
> >
> > THEY WERENT AT THE GOVT BUILDING IDIOT
> >
> > They were at varying locations around the
> county.
> > One was held in mclean at the library, another
> in
> > Vienna at Westbriar, one in Tysons/FC at Pimmit
> > Library
>
> I never said what the locations were at all!


You said they post the video online. Let me grab that quote for you

Tysons Engineer Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> My favorite part was when Bob tells me I dont
> attend the public meetings, and then I point out
> the construction schedule and operation schedule
> as presented by FCDOT at a public meeting he
> wasn't at.

Uh, many of us join those remotely. It is the 21st century after all.
- Bob

Are you trying to weasel out now to the fact that you implied you watched it online?

It is the 21st century after all and the best part about the 21st century is, all the lies you are spouting will be recorded for eternity. And I am gonna LOVE using them against you when the trains are running in Tysons, Mk champ?

Still waiting for you or howard to tell me how this construction schedule will be impacted. Are the sensor crews in anyway associated with the track testing? Noooo

Are they associated with the current hardscape upgrades occurring around the stations?

Noooooo


So how come the schedule is going to be delayed 10 weeks despite the fact that not a single sensor has been noted as being faulty yet? Again, if you are clairvoyant about what the testing is going to turn up, I think you are wasting your skills. Lets go to vegas!

Bob?

Hello bob?

This is super simple stuff Bob

Forget about Phase 2, I couldnt care less if Phase 2 happens or what it costs at this point because we are discussing Phase 1.

You said you have an inside source that says the project will be delayed to mid february

So tell me, who is the source, or tell me what justification they gave to why it would be delayed so long?

Tysons Engineer Wrote:
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> Ah great Bob
>
> A bunch of links to things that have nothing to do
> with with the subject of this thread OR in
> response to me calling you out about being a liar
>

Another major discrepancy has appeared in the Dulles Rail costing figures.

News source after news source is reporting that the Fairfax County Board of Supervisors was told that the cost of the Rt 28 rail station would be $83 million dollars. But my recollection was that it was listed as a $136 million 'saving' by the US DOT in their July 3, 2011 white paper report.

So I took a look, and indeed this $53 million discrepancy exists. On Fairfax County's own website I found this resolution, claiming the station cost to be $83 million and the parking garage cost to be $53.5 million.


http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/government/board/bdagenda/2011/7-26action9.pdf

"Board Agenda Item
July 26, 2011
ACTION – 9
...
- Fairfax County to fund the cost of the Route 28 Station, currently estimated to
be $83 million
- Fairfax County to fund the cost of the Route 28 Station parking garage,
currently estimated to be $53.5 million
...
FISCAL IMPACT:
The cost for the Route 28 Station is estimated at $83 million, the Route 28 Station
garage at $53.5 million ..."



Now compare this to the US DOT white paper report of July 3, 2011.


http://www.scribd.com/doc/59541422/White-Paper-Dulles-Rail-Phase-2-Cost-Reduction-Effects

"White Paper Regarding Secretary LaHood's Proposed Scope Reductions
Date: July 3, 2011
...
4: Transfer Responsibility for Route 28 Station to Fairfax County: -$136M
5: Transfer Responsibility for 5 parking facilities to Fairfax and Loudoun Counties: -$235M
...
Garage Location : # Spaces : Estimated Cost
Herndon-Monroe Station : 1949 : $51.4M
Route 28 Station : 2027 : $53.5M
Route 606 Station : 1965 : $51.9M
Route 772 Station (North) : 1434 : $37.8M
Route 772 Station (South) : 1540 : $40.6M

Total Savings : 8915 : $235.3M"

Clearly, there is a $53 million financial discrepancy in the Rt 28 station cost figures. In the US DOT white paper report from US DOT, the price for the Rt 28 station is listed as $136 million and shown as a $136 million 'saving' in its item 4, and the price for the associated parking facility at the Rt 28 station is listed as $53.5 million, and is included in the $235 million saving in item 5.

Somebody has either subtracted the $53.5 million from the $136 million to falsely give the Fairfax Board of Supervisors a smaller $83 million dollar number, or somebody added the $83 million and the $53.5 million numbers to falsely give the US DOT and MWAA an inflated $136 million 'saving' figure. Either way, somebody has some explaining to do!

Why is it that I am the only one who noticed this? Where are the anti-tax people? Where is the media? Where are the accountants in government?

In my opinion, this is another example of numbers that just don't add up in this boondoggle ripoff known as Dulles Rail. And the errors just happen to be convenient, showing either higher savings for MWAA, or a lower cost for Fairfax County. How about that.

If they did this here, what else did they do? Dulles Rail has been a parade of lies since it went political in 2002. Stop the madness, and send US DOT and MWAA back to the drawing board!

I have heard from an aide to Fairfax Counry BOS Chair Sharon Bulova that Fairfax County does in fact believe that the $83 million figure for the cost of the Rt 28 station is correct, and that the $136 million figure from the USDOT July 3, 2011 white paper is the combined cost of the Rt 28 station and the Rt 28 parking garage. I am not yet sure whether that is correct - but IF it is, then US DOT wrongfully added the cost of the parking lot to the 'saving' twice. I am trying to get clarification on this now. But either way - if there is a $53.5 million discrepancy here, what else might be incorrect in the figures we were given? This discrepancy casts doubt on all of them.

We simply can't afford to play games like this. The cost numbers for Dulles Rail are awfully high, and they started ballooning almost immediately. I believe we need a full financial audit that examines the costs in depth, to check not only for double billings, but also to check for wasteful design features, and to check the plausibility of the prices that we are being charged. As far as I can tell, the audit that is happening now, is only checking the procedures that were followed.

Yep more about Phase 2 garages

Great defense of your argument about Phase 1 Bob

Re: Silver Line opening delayed until January
Posted by: Tysons Engineer ()
Date: June 17, 2013 04:15PM

Troll ignored

Bob Bruhns Wrote:
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> Tysons Engineer Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > > I never said there were any links to post,
> > someone
> > > else did. There is a conference bridge that
> is
> > > opened prior to every meeting so that those
> who
> > > cannot attend in person can hear/join the
> > > discussion (if its open forum).
> >
> >
> > See this is how ignorant you are of the meetings
> I
> > am talking about
> >
> > THEY WERENT AT THE GOVT BUILDING IDIOT
> >
> > They were at varying locations around the
> county.
> > One was held in mclean at the library, another
> in
> > Vienna at Westbriar, one in Tysons/FC at Pimmit
> > Library
>
> I never said what the locations were at all!


You said they post the video online. Let me grab that quote for you

Tysons Engineer Wrote:
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> My favorite part was when Bob tells me I dont
> attend the public meetings, and then I point out
> the construction schedule and operation schedule
> as presented by FCDOT at a public meeting he
> wasn't at.

Uh, many of us join those remotely. It is the 21st century after all.
- Bob

Are you trying to weasel out now to the fact that you implied you watched it online?

It is the 21st century after all and the best part about the 21st century is, all the lies you are spouting will be recorded for eternity. And I am gonna LOVE using them against you when the trains are running in Tysons, Mk champ?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/17/2013 04:38PM by Tysons Engineer.

Me thinks Bob has an agenda. He refuses to answer my question.

How come? hmmm hmmm

Perhaps because without his talking points he has no idea what he is talking about

Reposted for the 5th time

Re: Silver Line opening delayed until January
Posted by: Tysons Engineer ()
Date: June 17, 2013 04:33PM

Bob?

Hello bob?

This is super simple stuff Bob

Forget about Phase 2, I couldnt care less if Phase 2 happens or what it costs at this point because we are discussing Phase 1.

You said you have an inside source that says the project will be delayed to mid february

So tell me, who is the source, or tell me what justification they gave to why it would be delayed so long?

Tysons Engineer Wrote:
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> Me thinks Bob has an agenda. He refuses to answer
> my question.
>
> How come? hmmm hmmm
>
> Perhaps because without his talking points he has
> no idea what he is talking about

Use meth much?

Repost ignore troll

Re: Silver Line opening delayed until January
Posted by: Tysons Engineer ()
Date: June 17, 2013 04:33PM

Bob?

Hello bob?

This is super simple stuff Bob

Forget about Phase 2, I couldnt care less if Phase 2 happens or what it costs at this point because we are discussing Phase 1.

You said you have an inside source that says the project will be delayed to mid february

So tell me, who is the source, or tell me what justification they gave to why it would be delayed so long?


What happened to Howard anyways? He never did answer any technical questions, using his knowledge of construction that he says he has *aka day laborer at 7-11* about how the testing of the sensor equipment would affect the schedule of the project 10 weeks (a massive amount of time in construction terms when you are nearing the punchout) considering it isnt on the critical path.

Howard are you ok? Did you have a construction accident and are unable to answer any questions?

You drop massive attacks like there is going to be a 10 week delay, then disappear without any proof such as the length of time necessary to retest, the amount of time that would be needed to replace the sensors, if there is any leadtime needed for the sensor equipment to be delivered. Whether there is an issue in picking up this testing in the float for the project.

Hello?




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Tysons Engineer Wrote:
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> Repost ignore troll
>
> Re: Silver Line opening delayed until January
> Posted by: Tysons Engineer ()
> Date: June 17, 2013 04:33PM
>
> Bob?
>
> Hello bob?
>
> This is super simple stuff Bob
>
> Forget about Phase 2, I couldnt care less if Phase
> 2 happens or what it costs at this point because
> we are discussing Phase 1.
>
> You said you have an inside source that says the
> project will be delayed to mid february
>
> So tell me, who is the source, or tell me what
> justification they gave to why it would be delayed
> so long?
>
>
> What happened to Howard anyways? He never did
> answer any technical questions, using his
> knowledge of construction that he says he has *aka
> day laborer at 7-11* about how the testing of the
> sensor equipment would affect the schedule of the
> project 10 weeks (a massive amount of time in
> construction terms when you are nearing the
> punchout) considering it isnt on the critical
> path.
>
> Howard are you ok? Did you have a construction
> accident and are unable to answer any questions?
>
> You drop massive attacks like there is going to be
> a 10 week delay, then disappear without any proof
> such as the length of time necessary to retest,
> the amount of time that would be needed to replace
> the sensors, if there is any leadtime needed for
> the sensor equipment to be delivered. Whether
> there is an issue in picking up this testing in
> the float for the project.
>
> Hello?
>

I guess that's a yes.

Bob? Can you answer some questions on Phase 1? Or did that bore you so you moved onto your tirade about how phase 2 is so costly and is going to be delayed... but never actually become delayed other than being held up by people like you


What happened to Howard anyways? He never did answer any technical questions, using his knowledge of construction that he says he has *aka day laborer at 7-11* about how the testing of the sensor equipment would affect the schedule of the project 10 weeks (a massive amount of time in construction terms when you are nearing the punchout) considering it isnt on the critical path.

Howard are you ok? Did you have a construction accident and are unable to answer any questions?

You drop massive attacks like there is going to be a 10 week delay, then disappear without any proof such as the length of time necessary to retest, the amount of time that would be needed to replace the sensors, if there is any leadtime needed for the sensor equipment to be delivered. Whether there is an issue in picking up this testing in the float for the project.

Hello?

Silver line to be delayed to the first week of January. From December 31st.

Its a one week delay.

But bob wants people thinking its a huge delay, that instead it will be into February because of his inside source.

How come bobby? Where does your source get his info? Share with the public, after all you are worried about the little guys in the public right?? So explain why the silver line wont open until February

So sad. So very, very sad.

Tysons Engineer Wrote:
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> Silver line to be delayed to the first week of
> January. From December 31st.
>
> Its a one week delay.
>
> But bob wants people thinking its a huge delay,
> that instead it will be into February because of
> his inside source.
>
> How come bobby? Where does your source get his
> info? Share with the public, after all you are
> worried about the little guys in the public
> right?? So explain why the silver line wont open
> until February

Apparently so did the Washington Post, and I didn't see Bob quoted there. Soooooo...

Uh..... Wrote:
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> Tysons Engineer Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Silver line to be delayed to the first week of
> > January. From December 31st.
> >
> > Its a one week delay.
> >
> > But bob wants people thinking its a huge delay,
> > that instead it will be into February because
> of
> > his inside source.
> >
> > How come bobby? Where does your source get his
> > info? Share with the public, after all you are
> > worried about the little guys in the public
> > right?? So explain why the silver line wont
> open
> > until February
>
> Apparently so did the Washington Post, and I
> didn't see Bob quoted there. Soooooo...


Wrong, the Wapo was told they could be delayed to the 1st week of January. They received that information from WTOP who heard it directly from MWAA. I know that because I discussed it with the original author of the story Ari Ashe the night he posted. I told him people like Bob would use this to make it seem like the project was facing a huge crisis, when in reality it was a

one week delay

And here we are.

Feel free to go to my twitter feed from last week and find it for yourself. June 12th.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/17/2013 04:52PM by Tysons Engineer.

Bob?


@ariashe 12 Jun
@TheTysonsCorner @FixWMATA @MarketUrbanism Very much a small difference, more symbolic than important. Dec vs Jan, not a big deal.


That was the author of the original report on the night of June 12th. He himself admits is a small difference

I give my sources, how come you just repost tangential article after tangential article?


@ariashe 12 Jun
EXCLUSIVE: Top MWAA official tells @WTOP he doesn't expect the Silver Line to open to the public in 2013. http://www.wtop.com/654/3356370/Silver-Line-opening-delayed-until-January … @wmata

@ariashe 12 Jun
@TheTysonsCorner @FixWMATA @MarketUrbanism But personally, Dec 31 vs Jan 5 or Jan 10, no one will remember or care 10 years from now.

In fact the author just tweeted me to say

@ariashe 15m
@TheTysonsCorner well i cannot control that. The story made it very clear the delay was from late Dec to early Jan. It was very clear.

After I had noted

@TheTysonsCorner 7h
@ariashe Lots of people thinking the Silver Line has had a major delay in construction due to that story. Readers not understanding context



Edited 5 time(s). Last edit at 06/17/2013 05:01PM by Tysons Engineer.

Sad bob, so sad.

How come you dont want to answer technical questions? You said you have knowledge about the project it is a simple question

The schedule currently for Phase 1 has between now and October 1st to remain on schedule. After Oct 1st, WMATA will have the project turned over to them for a 90 day testing period. During that time WMATA and Bechtel will concurrently coordinate the final punch list if any items come up

So where in that schedule is the sensor testing going to cause the major delay you are noting. Not a delay to the 1st week of January (all of 7 days from the original schedule), but tell me how you get to mid february?

It takes no calculations, it takes no discussion of money. Simply tell me what is the critical path that is effected by concurrently testing the sensors while continuing the construction of the station hardscape and furnishings?

How long will the retest take? Is there any indication that the sensors will need to be replaced?

Please do tell us all, I am very much awaiting you to clearly and concisely respond.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/17/2013 05:07PM by Tysons Engineer.

When shrinks look for the exact moment Tysons Engineer became a pyscho nutjob, they will be able to point to this day.

timeline Wrote:
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> When shrinks look for the exact moment Tysons
> Engineer became a pyscho nutjob, they will be able
> to point to this day.


More personal attacks. No answers to the very simple question above.

I see that nothing is going to be answered by Mr. Bruhn and his childish troll followers. So I will simply wait to be proven right by time. Thread bookmarked and copied in full, and I promise to return back to this in winter.

Feel free to keep on lying to the residents of Fairfax bob. it will come back to haunt you one day

I guess Bob is all tuckered out, or he had to grab the early dinner at Shonneys



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/17/2013 06:01PM by Tysons Engineer.

For the record; I think there are plenty of problems with MWAA, and I absolutely think WMATA needs to be completely over hauled, destroyed and rebuilt as an organization.

The problem with the Bob's of the world is they don't understand the problems at hand. They talk about control boxes being hit as a signal of impending doom, when he doesn't even know what those elements look like, cost, or how long it would take to relocate them. Hes a childish and superficial alarmist. Instead of asking the prevalent questions like what impact does this have, he wants to use those things to create an air of fiasco or scandal.

He is a snake oil salesman who equates a project in Conn. to the Silver line, two projects that are COMPLETELY different in requirements, scope, and size. By doing this, he dilutes the discussion and does them a disservice.

The biggest thing that could have helped reduce the price of Phase 2? Bobs big battle, because he doesnt want toll road prices to go up at his home in Herndon, would have been to keep the bid process more under wraps. Instead the Bob Bruhns of the world screamed bloody murder to see the numbers, they demanded transparency in an open bid.

Anyone who knows anything about bids, giving away all of the cards in a large infrastructure project, and essentially telling them what your conservative cost estimator is assuming at the preliminary phase sets a precedence in the mind of the contractors bidding as to what the government will be willing to pay.

Ultimately, you end up getting a bid inline (usually slightly less) than what the estimator states. I think this project could have been done for about 15% less, if some of the engineering/design costs had been more appropriate and had the bid process not fallen pray to bob and his gang of penny wise pound foolish non-engineers.

-Tysons Engineer, ie the only actual engineer in this discussion



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/17/2013 06:44PM by Tysons Engineer.

wow. Missed a lot, I see .........................havent seen something like this in quite a while LoLz

pic unrelated
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Tysons Engineer Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> For the record; I think there are plenty of
> problems with MWAA, and I absolutely think WMATA
> needs to be completely over hauled, destroyed and
> rebuilt as an organization.
>
> The problem with the Bob's of the world is they
> don't understand the problems at hand. They talk
> about control boxes being hit as a signal of
> impending doom, when he doesn't even know what
> those elements look like, cost, or how long it
> would take to relocate them. Hes a childish and
> superficial alarmist. Instead of asking the
> prevalent questions like what impact does this
> have, he wants to use those things to create an
> air of fiasco or scandal.
>
> He is a snake oil salesman who equates a project
> in Conn. to the Silver line, two projects that are
> COMPLETELY different in requirements, scope, and
> size. By doing this, he dilutes the discussion and
> does them a disservice.
>
> The biggest thing that could have helped reduce
> the price of Phase 2? Bobs big battle, because he
> doesnt want toll road prices to go up at his home
> in Herndon, would have been to keep the bid
> process more under wraps. Instead the Bob Bruhns
> of the world screamed bloody murder to see the
> numbers, they demanded transparency in an open
> bid.
>
> Anyone who knows anything about bids, giving away
> all of the cards in a large infrastructure
> project, and essentially telling them what your
> conservative cost estimator is assuming at the
> preliminary phase sets a precedence in the mind of
> the contractors bidding as to what the government
> will be willing to pay.
>
> Ultimately, you end up getting a bid inline
> (usually slightly less) than what the estimator
> states. I think this project could have been done
> for about 15% less, if some of the
> engineering/design costs had been more appropriate
> and had the bid process not fallen pray to bob and
> his gang of penny wise pound foolish
> non-engineers.
>
> -Tysons Engineer, ie the only actual engineer in
> this discussion

You're absolutely right, they should go ahead with all those defects. After all, it'd be boring all the time if our trains DIDN'T run into each other moron. Jesus Christ where do people like you come from anyway?????

Uncommon Sense Wrote:
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>
> You're absolutely right, they should go ahead with
> all those defects. After all, it'd be boring all
> the time if our trains DIDN'T run into each other
> moron. Jesus Christ where do people like you come
> from anyway?????


Ah yes, you fell right into Bob Bruhns trap. He implied he had evidence of "failed components" and that massive delays are coming.

Read the articles people. It says that testing procedures were faulty. Oversite officials with MWAA and the prime contractor bechtel noticed their sub skipped steps IN THE TESTING PROCESS and are making them retest it.

No where in the article, or the other dozen that have come out the past week, has there been ANY indication that any components are faulty. Only that testing will be redone.

Now if Bob has any evidence to the contrary he can come back here, since he ran away crying like a little lying carnie, and explain what evidence he has that shows that there are components that have defects.

Get it?

PS I have no f-in idea if there are any defects. I do however know that Bob Bruhn doesn't know a fucking thing about whether there are, and he certainly didn't hear about any from a Wapo article or any other article for that matter.

Tysons Engineer Wrote:
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> Uncommon Sense Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > You're absolutely right, they should go ahead
> with
> > all those defects. After all, it'd be boring
> all
> > the time if our trains DIDN'T run into each
> other
> > moron. Jesus Christ where do people like you
> come
> > from anyway?????
>
>
> Ah yes, you fell right into Bob Bruhns trap. He
> implied he had evidence of "failed components" and
> that massive delays are coming.
>
> Read the articles people. It says that testing
> procedures were faulty. Oversite officials with
> MWAA and the prime contractor bechtel noticed
> their sub skipped steps IN THE TESTING PROCESS and
> are making them retest it.
>
> No where in the article, or the other dozen that
> have come out the past week, has there been ANY
> indication that any components are faulty. Only
> that testing will be redone.
>
> Now if Bob has any evidence to the contrary he can
> come back here, since he ran away crying like a
> little lying carnie, and explain what evidence he
> has that shows that there are components that have
> defects.
>
> Get it?
>
> PS I have no f-in idea if there are any defects. I
> do however know that Bob Bruhn doesn't know a
> fucking thing about whether there are, and he
> certainly didn't hear about any from a Wapo
> article or any other article for that matter.


I read about the defects in both articles in the post and the patch today. You're full of shit.

Bob Bruhns Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Tysons Engineer Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Ah great Bob
> >
> > A bunch of links to things that have nothing to
> do
> > with with the subject of this thread OR in
> > response to me calling you out about being a
> liar
> >
>
> Another major discrepancy has appeared in the
> Dulles Rail costing figures.
>
> News source after news source is reporting that
> the Fairfax County Board of Supervisors was told
> that the cost of the Rt 28 rail station would be
> $83 million dollars. But my recollection was that
> it was listed as a $136 million 'saving' by the US
> DOT in their July 3, 2011 white paper report.
>
> So I took a look, and indeed this $53 million
> discrepancy exists. On Fairfax County's own
> website I found this resolution, claiming the
> station cost to be $83 million and the parking
> garage cost to be $53.5 million.
>
>
> http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/government/board/bdag
> enda/2011/7-26action9.pdf
>
> "Board Agenda Item
> July 26, 2011
> ACTION – 9
> ...
> - Fairfax County to fund the cost of the Route 28
> Station, currently estimated to
> be $83 million
> - Fairfax County to fund the cost of the Route 28
> Station parking garage,
> currently estimated to be $53.5 million
> ...
> FISCAL IMPACT:
> The cost for the Route 28 Station is estimated at
> $83 million, the Route 28 Station
> garage at $53.5 million ..."
>
>
>
> Now compare this to the US DOT white paper report
> of July 3, 2011.
>
>
> http://www.scribd.com/doc/59541422/White-Paper-Dul
> les-Rail-Phase-2-Cost-Reduction-Effects
>
> "White Paper Regarding Secretary LaHood's Proposed
> Scope Reductions
> Date: July 3, 2011
> ...
> 4: Transfer Responsibility for Route 28 Station to
> Fairfax County: -$136M
> 5: Transfer Responsibility for 5 parking
> facilities to Fairfax and Loudoun Counties:
> -$235M
> ...
> Garage Location : # Spaces : Estimated Cost
> Herndon-Monroe Station : 1949 : $51.4M
> Route 28 Station : 2027 : $53.5M
> Route 606 Station : 1965 : $51.9M
> Route 772 Station (North) : 1434 : $37.8M
> Route 772 Station (South) : 1540 : $40.6M
>
> Total Savings : 8915 : $235.3M"
>
> Clearly, there is a $53 million financial
> discrepancy in the Rt 28 station cost figures. In
> the US DOT white paper report from US DOT, the
> price for the Rt 28 station is listed as $136
> million and shown as a $136 million 'saving' in
> its item 4, and the price for the associated
> parking facility at the Rt 28 station is listed as
> $53.5 million, and is included in the $235 million
> saving in item 5.
>
> Somebody has either subtracted the $53.5 million
> from the $136 million to falsely give the Fairfax
> Board of Supervisors a smaller $83 million dollar
> number, or somebody added the $83 million and the
> $53.5 million numbers to falsely give the US DOT
> and MWAA an inflated $136 million 'saving' figure.
> Either way, somebody has some explaining to do!
>
> Why is it that I am the only one who noticed this?
> Where are the anti-tax people? Where is the
> media? Where are the accountants in government?
>
> In my opinion, this is another example of numbers
> that just don't add up in this boondoggle ripoff
> known as Dulles Rail. And the errors just happen
> to be convenient, showing either higher savings
> for MWAA, or a lower cost for Fairfax County. How
> about that.
>
> If they did this here, what else did they do?
> Dulles Rail has been a parade of lies since it
> went political in 2002. Stop the madness, and send
> US DOT and MWAA back to the drawing board!
>
> I have heard from an aide to Fairfax Counry BOS
> Chair Sharon Bulova that Fairfax County does in
> fact believe that the $83 million figure for the
> cost of the Rt 28 station is correct, and that the
> $136 million figure from the USDOT July 3, 2011
> white paper is the combined cost of the Rt 28
> station and the Rt 28 parking garage. I am not yet
> sure whether that is correct - but IF it is, then
> US DOT wrongfully added the cost of the parking
> lot to the 'saving' twice. I am trying to get
> clarification on this now. But either way - if
> there is a $53.5 million discrepancy here, what
> else might be incorrect in the figures we were
> given? This discrepancy casts doubt on all of
> them.
>
> We simply can't afford to play games like this.
> The cost numbers for Dulles Rail are awfully high,
> and they started ballooning almost immediately. I
> believe we need a full financial audit that
> examines the costs in depth, to check not only for
> double billings, but also to check for wasteful
> design features, and to check the plausibility of
> the prices that we are being charged. As far as I
> can tell, the audit that is happening now, is only
> checking the procedures that were followed.


Bob,
I really appreciate the in-depth knowledge and commitment you have. That of Rob Whitfield too. I am very hopeful that Dulles II will be good for
Loudoun County once it is operating.

Like you, I know that BRT and other transit forms can serve us well. I think the bigger challenge, over the years ahead, will be to provide transit that serves the greater Loudoun area and other areas that are underserved by quality transit. BRT can be very effective (even without a committed guide-way) in providing cost-efficient transit. It is also a good “starter” for possible light rail on the same path later.

As I speak with folks in Fairfax, Loudoun, Prince William, Clarke, and Frederick Counties, I know there is growing interest in transit. In Berryville, there is interest in having MARC come down from Brunswick. In Winchester, there is interest in having service to the east (and perhaps with MARC from Brunswick and Martinsburg also). The existing North-South rail lines in Berryville and Winchester can serve many others in Virginia too. I am connected with folks in West Virginia that want to see transit expansion too.

Yes once again bobs crusade on the cost audit. Proving once again he doesn't care about this story he just comes running to blood in the water. He's a scavenger of all things controversy with the project with no insight except that post he continues to copy paste from an article he wrote for bacons rebellion last year... Which btw was criticized by several people who read it for being narrow in controversy.

Carnie selling all sorts of lies.

Tysons Engineer Wrote:
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> Yes once again bobs crusade on the cost audit.
> Proving once again he doesn't care about this
> story he just comes running to blood in the water.
> He's a scavenger of all things controversy with
> the project with no insight except that post he
> continues to copy paste from an article he wrote
> for bacons rebellion last year... Which btw was
> criticized by several people who read it for being
> narrow in controversy.
>
> Carnie selling all sorts of lies.

Says the snake that supports foreign interests in our county.

I applaud the new stations for putting in excaltor shelters but I am pissed that little johnny and I can't take the metro to see santa at tysons. :(

It's all Tysons Engineer's fault. The pussy went to all the meetings and what did he accomplish...NOTHING.

Silver Line encounters delays
Adjustments to rail system will set opening back by two months
http://www.fairfaxtimes.com/article/20130717/NEWS/130719113/1117/silver-line-encounters-delays&template=fairfaxTimes

The opening of the Silver Line could be delayed by two months, officials with the Metropolitan Washington Area Transit Authority announced Wednesday.

Despite assurances to the MWAA Board of Directors last month that the project remained on schedule, authority staff and contractor Dulles Transit Partners now estimate that they will need an additional eight weeks for testing and adjustments to the new rail system before turning it over to the Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Authority for final testing and the start of Metro service.

WMATA will ultimately decide when Silver Line service will begin.

The Silver Line was supposed to be turned over to WMATA Sept. 9, with service potentially starting by the end of the year. The delay pushes the possible start of rail service to early 2014, although project managers said they will work with WMATA to minimize delays.

“Our main goal has always been safety and quality — it supersedes all else,” said airports authority President and CEO Jack Potter in a released statement. “Any project this large and complex is inevitably going to encounter unexpected issues that require additional tests and adjustments. With Phase 1 of the Silver Line nearly complete, there isn’t sufficient time in the schedule to recover from recently identified matters within the original plan.”

Additional testing will provide more detail about the timeline. The airports authority board will receive another update on the schedule next month.
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Bob was right! OMG that bastard was right!

I knew it was going to be delayed, I just knew it.

Silver Line encounters delays Wrote:
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> Bob was right! OMG that bastard was right!

And somewhere that ass Tysons Engineer is grinding his teeth. Was that guy ever right about anything?

Anyone ever heard the expression, "much ado about nothing"?

Seriously, people...

Ty Sonengineer Wrote:
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> Anyone ever heard the expression, "much ado about
> nothing"?
>
> Seriously, people...

BOB IS RIGHT!!!
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Bob's remarks from the Patch on this..

http://herndon.patch.com/groups/politics-and-elections/p/silver-line-opening-may-be-delayed-past-january_d216abd7


We have pretty much known, for a long time, that Phase 1 would be a little late. But MWAA has been flip flopping about this for over a year.

Why would MWAA be flip flopping like this? I think it has something to do with making a smokescreen, so that we will be arguing about the slightly late Phase 1, instead of discussing things like the bogus interest rates in the Tifia borrowing assistance story. Note the quoted Tifia interest rate on page 11, and further Tifia information on page 13, of this Fairfax County report. May 7, 2013 Fairfax County BOS Transportation Committee Silver Line and Tifia Status Report - Fairfax County, May 7, 2013 - http://www.slideshare.net/fairfaxcounty/1-dulles-metrorail-silver-line-project-and-funding-update-bo-s-trans-comm-5-7-13-final-dmb - Um, a 2.0% rate, for a 30 year loan? Since when is the Treasury rate for a 30 year loan 2.0%? It's more like 3.6% these days. Hmmmm. And 12% for MWAA's $1.2 billion of Tifia 30 year borrowing?

Silver Line encounters delays Wrote:
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> Silver Line encounters delays
> Adjustments to rail system will set opening back
> by two months
> http://www.fairfaxtimes.com/article/20130717/NEWS/
> 130719113/1117/silver-line-encounters-delays&templ
> ate=fairfaxTimes
>
> The opening of the Silver Line could be delayed by
> two months, officials with the Metropolitan
> Washington Area Transit Authority announced
> Wednesday.
>
> Despite assurances to the MWAA Board of Directors
> last month that the project remained on schedule,
> authority staff and contractor Dulles Transit
> Partners now estimate that they will need an
> additional eight weeks for testing and adjustments
> to the new rail system before turning it over to
> the Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Authority
> for final testing and the start of Metro service.
>
> WMATA will ultimately decide when Silver Line
> service will begin.
>
> The Silver Line was supposed to be turned over to
> WMATA Sept. 9, with service potentially starting
> by the end of the year. The delay pushes the
> possible start of rail service to early 2014,
> although project managers said they will work with
> WMATA to minimize delays.
>
> “Our main goal has always been safety and
> quality — it supersedes all else,” said
> airports authority President and CEO Jack Potter
> in a released statement. “Any project this large
> and complex is inevitably going to encounter
> unexpected issues that require additional tests
> and adjustments. With Phase 1 of the Silver Line
> nearly complete, there isn’t sufficient time in
> the schedule to recover from recently identified
> matters within the original plan.”
>
> Additional testing will provide more detail about
> the timeline. The airports authority board will
> receive another update on the schedule next month.

This is typical of construction, they find things and they need to fix them.

asdfasdfasdfds Wrote:
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> Silver Line encounters delays Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Bob was right! OMG that bastard was right!
>
> And somewhere that ass Tysons Engineer is grinding
> his teeth. Was that guy ever right about anything?

I don't think he comes around here anymore.

Somebody should post this article over on the City-Data forum, he does still post there:

http://www.city-data.com/forum/northern-virginia/

Rub his nose in it a bit Wrote:
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> asdfasdfasdfds Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Silver Line encounters delays Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Bob was right! OMG that bastard was right!
> >
> > And somewhere that ass Tysons Engineer is
> grinding
> > his teeth. Was that guy ever right about
> anything?
>
> I don't think he comes around here anymore.
>
> Somebody should post this article over on the
> City-Data forum, he does still post there:
>
> http://www.city-data.com/forum/northern-virginia/

:)

Unanswered questions on Dulles Rail
http://www.fairfaxtimes.com/article/20130719/OPINION/130718887/1065/unanswered-questions-on-dulles-rail&template=fairfaxTimes

Barring unexpected delays in completing the Dulles Rail Phase 1 track and train testing program, the Washington Metro Area Transit Authority plans to start Silver Line service linking Reston and Tysons Corner to the rest of the Metrorail system in early 2014. Last week, the Metropolitan Washington Airports Authority issued a notice to proceed on the main Phase 2 track and station construction contract. Completion is projected for late 2018.

Recent statements by MWAA, Fairfax County Chairman Sharon Bulova and others that Dulles Rail Phase 1 is being delivered “on time and on budget” are simply untrue when compared to previous forecasts. Many legal, financial and economic issues remain unresolved and could impact future costs to Fairfax County taxpayers. The public deserves answers — now, not in the future. Yet MWAA officials and their federal, state and local partners provide only limited public information. At the June 20 Dulles Corridor Advisory Committee meeting, none of the rail project partners asked substantive questions. Who is accountable to taxpayers for the ever escalating project costs?

Dulles Rail supporters have always underestimated rail capital and operating costs. In a September 2003 presentation to the Greater Reston Chamber of Commerce, the Virginia Department of Rail and Public Transportation estimated Phase 1 costs at $1.5 billion.

At a March 2005 Fairfax County Transportation Summit presentation, DRPT’s Karen Rae estimated total Dulles Rail project costs at $1.5 billion for Phase 1 and $2 billion for Phase 2. That $3.5 billion total is far below the currently estimated $6 billion capital cost. Rae’s March 2005 figures showed that a 25-cent main Dulles Toll Road plaza toll increase plus a 25-cent increase at the ramps, implemented in May 2005, would provide sufficient funds to complete Virginia’s share of Phase 1 funding and fund a portion of Phase 2. What happened to change those estimates? Who was held accountable for errors and omissions, if anybody?

In January 2006, MWAA proposed to Virginia taking over the Dulles Toll Road in return for building the Dulles Rail project. At that time, MWAA projected the Phase 1 capital costs at $1.8 billion and Phase 2 at $1.88 billion with a total DTR toll revenue contribution of $1.77 billion needed. The DTR is a Virginia asset, whose construction and financing were paid for mostly by Virginia taxpayers. Over $1 billion in DTR tolls have been collected since 1984, far in excess of DTR construction, financing and operating costs. By May 2007, MWAA projected that Phase 1 would need over $1.3 billion in toll revenues up from $361 million shown in its Virginia 2006 application. The MWAA Phase 2 cost estimate ballooned from $1.88 billion in 2006 to $3.8 billion in 2010 before program cuts and budget re-allocations to Fairfax and Loudoun counties were made.

At transfer of the DTR to MWAA in 2008, the DRPT valued the asset at $3.52 billion. The agreement made by then-Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine with MWAA for DTR transfer reflected no monetary consideration. Why did the governor and Virginia General Assembly members not demand compensation and protection for taxpayers? Why were a comprehensive financial analysis and effective project oversight stipulated before the transfer occurred? Did the governor’s political alliance with several MWAA Board members take precedence over acting in the overall public interest?

While MWAA and its contractors are likely to complete Phase 1 rail contract work at a total cost close to the 2010 revised budget of $2.905 billion, this total does not include much additional construction work underway and needed in transit station vicinities. For instance, the Wiehle Avenue garage project is a $100 million project of very doubtful financial feasibility. Fairfax County has not provided cumulative costs for all Silver Line transit station related costs including road and sidewalk improvements.

In May 2013, an updated Dulles Rail financial analysis was provided in a presentation to Fairfax County supervisors as part of the overall approval request of a Transportation Infrastructure Finance and Innovation Act financing application to the U.S. Department of Transportation. The overall Dulles Rail TIFIA application is for $1.98 billion; the Fairfax County TIFIA allocation is $475 million; the Loudoun County TIFIA share is $200 million; the Dulles Toll Road share is $1.305 billion. County staff allocated 75 percent of total Dulles Rail costs to Dulles Toll Road users — $4.262,764 billion of the estimated Phase 1 plus Phase 2 total capital cost of $5.998,819 billion but then explained in a footnote that this cost includes $900 million in federal new starts grant funds plus $275 million in Commonwealth funds.

Unless a radically changed Dulles Rail financial plan is adopted and approved in the next few months, DTR users face a seven-fold increase in tolls — $17 billion in tolls over the next 50 years. If interest rates increase to 10 percent or more, which some analysts predict will occur during the next two years, the total will be far, far greater. Who can afford tolls of $17 each way or more?

Rob Whitfield

The writer is with the Dulles Corridor Users Group in Reston.

MWAA Starts 60-Month Countdown To Silver Line Completion In Loudoun
http://www.leesburgtoday.com/news/mwaa-starts--month-countdown-to-silver-line-completion-in/article_ec9cddde-e8ab-11e2-88e9-001a4bcf887a.html


The Metropolitan Washington Airports Authority Monday issued the formal Notice to Proceed to Capital Rail Constructors—setting construction of Phase 2 of the Dulles Corridor Metrorail Project in motion.

The notice allows the joint venture of Clark Construction Group and Kiewit Infrastructure South to begin field surveying, perform site preparations and make geological assessments while permits and other design work moves to final review stages. Area residents will not see actual construction work with heavy equipment and cranes until next spring.

The notice sets a construction completion period of 60 months, targeting completion in July, 2018.

Capital Rail Constructors was awarded the Phase 2 contract in May and will build three stations in Fairfax County, three stations in Loudoun County and 11.4 miles of track.

Phase 1 construction from East Falls Church to Wiehile Avenue, being conducted by a different contractor group, Dulles Transit Partners, is 94 percent complete.

Photos: Silver Line Phase I-July 2013 (July 29)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/fairfaxcounty/sets/72157634797745299

Just to let anyone know, who might care - the vast majority of the posts attributed to me on this website, were actually false-ID postings by someone with nothing better to do, or they were plagiarized mostly from AOL-Patch websites by someone with nothing better to do, and pasted here falsely under my name. So if they seem stupid and oddly unresponsive to whatever else was being posted, that's why.

I registered on this website on June 28, 2013 at about 11:11 AM EDT - so since then, the jerk(s) can't use my name here any more to confuse the very few people who bother to read any of this nonsense.

It's sad that all of this happened. The weak security here allows too much nonsense, and that makes this website of little interest to me, so I won't be paying much attention to the activity here. Please don't expect me to see any posts here, or reply to them.

Bob

.

Bob Bruhns Wrote:
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> Just to let anyone know, who might care - the vast
> majority of the posts attributed to me on this
> website, were actually false-ID postings by
> someone with nothing better to do, or they were
> plagiarized mostly from AOL-Patch websites by
> someone with nothing better to do, and pasted here
> falsely under my name. So if they seem stupid and
> oddly unresponsive to whatever else was being
> posted, that's why.
>
> I registered on this website on June 28, 2013 at
> about 11:11 AM EDT - so since then, the jerk(s)
> can't use my name here any more to confuse the
> very few people who bother to read any of this
> nonsense.
>
> It's sad that all of this happened. The weak
> security here allows too much nonsense, and that
> makes this website of little interest to me, so I
> won't be paying much attention to the activity
> here. Please don't expect me to see any posts
> here, or reply to them.
>
> Bob

Oh noes!

First Tysons Engineer leaves us and now Bob Bruhns...how will we cope?

once this stupid piece of shit silver line gets built out to Dulles, it'll make 18 stops to get from there to Metro Center.
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Bob Bruhns Wrote:
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> Just to let anyone know, who might care - the vast
> majority of the posts attributed to me on this
> website, were actually false-ID postings by
> someone with nothing better to do, or they were
> plagiarized mostly from AOL-Patch websites by
> someone with nothing better to do, and pasted here
> falsely under my name. So if they seem stupid and
> oddly unresponsive to whatever else was being
> posted, that's why.
>
> I registered on this website on June 28, 2013 at
> about 11:11 AM EDT - so since then, the jerk(s)
> can't use my name here any more to confuse the
> very few people who bother to read any of this
> nonsense.
>
> It's sad that all of this happened. The weak
> security here allows too much nonsense, and that
> makes this website of little interest to me, so I
> won't be paying much attention to the activity
> here. Please don't expect me to see any posts
> here, or reply to them.
>
> Bob

Bob, nobody cares.

The guilt has been getting to me lately. Very soon, it will be discovered that the bodies of all the illegal aliens from El Salvador have been dumped into the concrete. The bodies are everywhere...support columns, walls, foundation.

Very soon, the entire Silver Line will need to be razed so the bodies can be recovered. I refuse to go to jail over this and have already fled the USA to an undisclosed location.

18 stops from Dulles to city....that's fucked up. Of course, if they had built additional tracks for an express train, the ticket price would be some ass-stupid unrelistic fee like $20.

Apparently MWAA was covering this up - the news media just discovered that the Silver line test train derailed about 24 hours ago on Tuesday afternoon. Hey guys, are those track sensors working?

One might think not... http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dr-gridlock/wp/2013/08/14/silver-line-test-train-derails/

MWAA Officials Investigating Silver Line Test Derailment
Slow-moving train hit derailer in first test-phase mishap.
http://herndon.patch.com/groups/politics-and-elections/p/mwaa-officials-investigating-silver-line-test-derailment_fe658d4a

The Metropolitan Washington Airports Authority (MWAA) is trying to determine why a Silver Line test train derailed Tuesday near Wolf Trap.

The train’s front axle left the track after hitting a derailer, a mechanism designed to derail the train if it goes beyond where it is supposed to travel, Pat Nowakowski, executive director of the Dulles Rail Project, told The Washington Post.

No injuries were reported, and the train was taken out of service, he added.

The train was traveling at about 5 miles per hour when the incident occurred.

This is the first time a test train has derailed.

MWAA has been testing the trains for several months. Phase I of the rail line, which will run from Tysons to Reston's Wiehle Avenue, is nearly complete and is expected to carry the first passengers in January.

Read the Post's full story here.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dr-gridlock/wp/2013/08/14/silver-line-test-train-derails/

A Silver Line train derailed during a test run near Wolf Trap Tuesday. (File Photo)
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Tysons Engineer Wrote:
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> Bob Bruhns Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Tysons Engineer Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Hey idiot
> > >
> > > its a one week delay. I talked to the author
> of
> > > the article, I warned him his headline
> deceived
> > > his story.
> > >
> > > Read the damn story jackass. its a one week
> > delay,
> > > that will likely not even have an impact to
> the
> > > opening and it certainly has NOTHING to do
> with
> > > construction (which will be complete last
> week
> > of
> > > September/1st week of october)
> > >
> > > it has to do with WMATA being an idiotic
> > > establishment of morons like you, not capable
> > of
> > > concurrently doing anything with the
> contractor
> > at
> > > the same time (like testing).
> > >
> > > damned idiot I swear
> >
> > Then cite a specific county/city source that has
> a
> > date of when the construction will be
> completed.
> > Guess what? There isn't one. The reason for
> this
> > is clear and understandable, there are a number
> of
> > inspections, reviews, etc. that will need to be
> > done that could affect that date. This is
> typical
> > in construction projects, nothing special here.
> > The source I spoke to, cited that the January
> date
> > was "Optimistic". More likely "it will be early
> to
> > mid-Febuary before it is complete."
>
> You have no source. Any idiot who would say
> mid-february has no idea when construction is to
> be complete and what is left to be done.
>
> Final build out might last till then if you
> include softscape elements at stations, but
> operation will begin between December 31st and the
> January 10th. Go ahead and quote me on that, and
> we'll see who is right Bob

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

For the record Tyson's Engineer you were very wrong...

Officials: Silver Line will carry passengers in February
http://www.wtop.com/149/3493220/Officials-Silver-Line-will-carry-passengers-in-February

WASHINGTON - Tysons Corner could be getting a long awaited Valentine's Day gift. Officials say the Silver Line could be ready in February.

After a few missed deadlines on the $2.8 billion Phase One of the Metro rail extension, and a lot of controversy, leaders on both sides of the project say they're confident it will be ready before March.

"We're still shooting for a November substantial completion. Obviously there's work we have to do between now and then," said Metropolitan Washington Airports Authority spokesman Chris Paolino. MWAA is building the line.

Paolino says the five stations and track will be turned over to Metro after the slated November completion. Then, Metro General Manager Richard Sarles says 90 days of training and testing are needed before the Silver Line and its five new stations are open to passengers.

The line will run through Tysons Corner and to Wiehle Avenue at first. Phase Two, where construction is just beginning, will go to Dulles Airport and farther.

And where is Tysons Engineer? MIA and wrong as usual. Fucking troll couldn't engineer a lemonaide stand.

Any of you play Fallout 3? I like to imagine to fucked up remnants of the concrete pillars are part of the Silver Line.

fallout Wrote:
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> Any of you play Fallout 3? I like to imagine to
> fucked up remnants of the concrete pillars are
> part of the Silver Line.

LOL

Critical Wrote:
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> And where is Tysons Engineer? MIA and wrong as
> usual. Fucking troll couldn't engineer a lemonaide
> stand.

He's still recovering from the butthurt he got on this site months ago.

Seems to me that TE was ADHD and Bob was just a budget alarmist/nutcase. Perhaps they deserved each other. Service will begin soon enough despite both of them. A shame that it couldn't have been underground through Tysons, but it couldn't have been funded that way, so we'll all just have to get used to the above-ground intrusion. Maybe it will come to seem somehow beautiful in a few decades. It will certainly meet more critical needs, especially once Phase II is completed. Enjoy the ride!

Impartial Observer Wrote:
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> Seems to me that TE was ADHD and Bob was just a
> budget alarmist/nutcase. Perhaps they deserved
> each other. Service will begin soon enough
> despite both of them. A shame that it couldn't
> have been underground through Tysons, but it
> couldn't have been funded that way, so we'll all
> just have to get used to the above-ground
> intrusion. Maybe it will come to seem somehow
> beautiful in a few decades. It will certainly
> meet more critical needs, especially once Phase II
> is completed. Enjoy the ride!

Additional delays for Silver Line
Testing reveals need for software upgrade of automatic train control system
http://www.fairfaxtimes.com/article/20131203/NEWS/131209759/1117/additional-delays-for-silver-line&template=fairfaxTimes

The opening of the Silver Line could be delayed for another few weeks as tests have identified additional work that needs to be done to the system.

The Metropolitan Washington Airports Authority, which is overseeing construction of the $2.6 billion rail line, announced Monday that its contractor needs to upgrade software on the automatic train control system before the system can be turned over to the Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Authority. The need for the software upgrades was discovered during testing.

“This is why we test,” Pat Nowakowski, executive director of the Dulles Corridor Metrorail Project, said in a released statement. “Our guiding principle throughout this process has been ‘safety first’ and we remain committed to that principle. We will not do anything that might compromise safety or create unsafe conditions for the traveling public.”

The Silver Line was originally slated to open by the end of this year but, earlier this year, the date of “substantial completion” was pushed back by about two months, pushing the start of service to early 2014. Substantial completion marks the point at which the airports authority accepts the project from its contractor and can begin the process of transferring the system to Metro.

As of Nov. 16, Nowakowski still believed contractor Dulles Transit Partners was on track to reach substantial completion at the end of November, but subsequent testing revealed that about another three weeks will be needed.

Dulles Transit Partners is still working out a definitive schedule.

Fairfax County Board of Supervisors Chairwoman Sharon Bulova (D-At large) said she believes it is appropriate to err on the side of caution.

“It is most important that we’re looking out for the safety of our passengers and not trying to rush the Silver Line into service,” she said. “The last thing we want is to open and for there to be problems. You only get one first time, and it’s important we do it well.”

Once the project reaches substantial completion, Metro will do its own testing and go through a formal and legal process to accept the Silver Line into its existing system. The transit agency must also train its employees on the new line and conduct emergency drills.

Metro will also be the agency that ultimately decides when Silver Line service will begin.
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Apparently Not Wrote:
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> Additional delays for Silver Line
> Testing reveals need for software upgrade of
> automatic train control system

As noted previously, the Silver Line will open soon enough and will be a boon to all when it does, especially once Phase II is completed. The stupid whining and protestations of Chicken Little morons will not count for anything then and they don't now either.



> http://www.fairfaxtimes.com/article/20131203/NEWS/
> 131209759/1117/additional-delays-for-silver-line&t
> emplate=fairfaxTimes
>
> The opening of the Silver Line could be delayed
> for another few weeks as tests have identified
> additional work that needs to be done to the
> system.
>
> The Metropolitan Washington Airports Authority,
> which is overseeing construction of the $2.6
> billion rail line, announced Monday that its
> contractor needs to upgrade software on the
> automatic train control system before the system
> can be turned over to the Washington Metropolitan
> Area Transit Authority. The need for the software
> upgrades was discovered during testing.
>
> “This is why we test,” Pat Nowakowski,
> executive director of the Dulles Corridor
> Metrorail Project, said in a released statement.
> “Our guiding principle throughout this process
> has been ‘safety first’ and we remain
> committed to that principle. We will not do
> anything that might compromise safety or create
> unsafe conditions for the traveling public.”
>
> The Silver Line was originally slated to open by
> the end of this year but, earlier this year, the
> date of “substantial completion” was pushed
> back by about two months, pushing the start of
> service to early 2014. Substantial completion
> marks the point at which the airports authority
> accepts the project from its contractor and can
> begin the process of transferring the system to
> Metro.
>
> As of Nov. 16, Nowakowski still believed
> contractor Dulles Transit Partners was on track to
> reach substantial completion at the end of
> November, but subsequent testing revealed that
> about another three weeks will be needed.
>
> Dulles Transit Partners is still working out a
> definitive schedule.
>
> Fairfax County Board of Supervisors Chairwoman
> Sharon Bulova (D-At large) said she believes it is
> appropriate to err on the side of caution.
>
> “It is most important that we’re looking out
> for the safety of our passengers and not trying to
> rush the Silver Line into service,” she said.
> “The last thing we want is to open and for there
> to be problems. You only get one first time, and
> it’s important we do it well.”
>
> Once the project reaches substantial completion,
> Metro will do its own testing and go through a
> formal and legal process to accept the Silver Line
> into its existing system. The transit agency must
> also train its employees on the new line and
> conduct emergency drills.
>
> Metro will also be the agency that ultimately
> decides when Silver Line service will begin.

Now I have to wonder...Will Tysons Engineer honor the wager between himself and Bob?

Ghosts of Bob Bruhns Wrote:
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> Now I have to wonder...Will Tysons Engineer honor
> the wager between himself and Bob?

Tysons Engineer =
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Tysons Engineer Wrote:
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> Classic, yep Bob is the smart one here.
>
> God I am gonna bookmark this page, I can't wait to
> come back to this one when the Silver Line opens.

How'd that work out for you? LOL!

Seems to me the person who was right about the delays likely was the one causing the delays, probably worked for Alstom and had inside information. He probably should have told others in the media instead of posting it on this forum.

Every year that goes by people will no longer care that it was delayed by 2 months or 5 months. You are living in the past. The silver line is running, take it to DC.

impartial observer 2 Wrote:
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> Every year that goes by people will no longer care
> that it was delayed by 2 months or 5 months. You
> are living in the past.

That will only be true once trains are running out to the end of the line in Loudoun.

We can't wait til y'll finish dat Silvah line

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UW41gztWML8