There have been people charged with murder because they punched someone who then fell down and hit their head so hard it killed them.

Just because you cannot imagine that someone would act like Mr. Cena doesn't mean he didn't act like that, or that there is more information that makes it more imaginable. Every day there are crazy stories in the news that most people find unimaginable.

pre-existing condition? Wrote:
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> My understanding is they did an autopsy to
> determine cause of death because Mr. O'brien had a
> pre-existing condition. Like so many Americans, he
> probably had high blood pressure, high cholesterol
> and pre-diabetes. Without knowing all the facts
> (as no one posting here does either) - I suspect
> he was on blood thinners - a fairly minimal blow
> could result in a subdural hematoma, which, if not
> treated in time, could result in death. The whole
> thing is a terrible tragedy, but I will wait for
> more facts before calling for an eye for an eye,
> or a gun-fight in Fairfax. It's a shame people
> here feel compelled to makie stupid assumptions
> about someone's nationality or to make other
> unfortunate and dumb statements about something so
> serious. While assaulting someone is a crime - the
> death of this person clearly was not intended nor
> foreseen by Mr. Cena or the staff in Best Buy, or
> apparently Mr. O'Brien. There are almost no
> details about what happened prior to Mr. O'Brien
> being punched... I can't imagine Mr. Cena, or any
> adult around Fairfax, would be provoked to
> physically assault someone simply for being beeped
> at.


There is a well established legal principle that one takes his victim as he finds him -- meaning that if you happen to punch a frail person who's on blood thinners and he internally bleeds to death, you're guilty of murder.

I doubt this case will go above manslaughter

So before a fight is about to happen you should ask the victim/other party if he/she has any pre-existing conditions that would possible negatively effect the outcome of the fight? You're a moron pal. The ME said it was blunt force trauma, I'm pretty sure they take into account what medical conditions the deceased has. In the words of Jim Carey in “Cable Guy," “I hope they fry that bastard."

If you want to fight me take into consideration that I have asthma, so if you chase me down I might collapse and die, but it'd be the asthma's fault not yours.

Sounds to me like Cena should be charged with murder. The other guy died as a direct result of the blow Cena gave him. In my book that's murder.

He hit the victim from behind. Murder. I hope he does at least twenty years behind bars.

All I can think is that Cena must've whacked O'Brien very, very, very hard for him to sustain a traumatic brain injury that resulted in his death.

Questions Wrote:

> If you want to fight me take into consideration
> that I have asthma, so if you chase me down I
> might collapse and die, but it'd be the asthma's
> fault not yours.


Except you're wrong.

I am SO FUCKING SICK AND TIRED OF PPL wanting to give this guy a pass FUCK THIS SHIT!! Etc, etc...



Yow...damn Gordon, you're so peace-loving you're gonna KILL SOMEONE!

I bet your fists are all balled up and you're aching to punch someone.

You might want to get away from the keyboard and have a relaxing cup of Sleeptime tea.

<< My understanding is they did an autopsy to determine cause of death because Mr. O'brien had a pre-existing condition. Like so many Americans, he probably had high blood pressure, high cholesterol and pre-diabetes. Without knowing all the facts (as no one posting here does either) - I suspect he was on blood thinners - a fairly minimal blow could result in a subdural hematoma, which, if not treated in time, could result in death. The whole thing is a terrible tragedy, but I will wait for more facts before calling for an eye for an eye, or a gun-fight in Fairfax. It's a shame people here feel compelled to makie stupid assumptions about someone's nationality or to make other unfortunate and dumb statements about something so serious. While assaulting someone is a crime - the death of this person clearly was not intended nor foreseen by Mr. Cena or the staff in Best Buy, or apparently Mr. O'Brien. There are almost no details about what happened prior to Mr. O'Brien being punched... I can't imagine Mr. Cena, or any adult around Fairfax, would be provoked to physically assault someone simply for being beeped at.>>

I agree...we don't know all the facts and we won't know them from local media. I know Cena and I know Fr Whitestone. Cena once confided in me that he was a doctor but quit his practice because of the high insurance. I have no idea if this is true or not. I admire Whitestone as a man of great courage and personal integrity. He did what was necessary. I know this was a blow to him. He hides nothing. I remember the painful Sunday he confessed to an alcohol addiction and announced his departure for 6 months of rehab. Fr and the diocese could have covered this up but he manned up to a problem and dealt with it. It was a painful time for the parish but in exchange we got a wonderful shepherd. He's dealt with this disappointment in similar fashion. I'm sure he did not learn of this immediately and may have been away from the parish when it happened. This was immediately after Easter which is a busy time for parish priests. Fr Whitestone usually takes some vacation before and after. When he had as many facts as he knew he published a letter in the Sunday Bulletin. This was about the same time the news appeared online in the diocesan newspaper as well as the local press.

Yes...perhaps to some Fr Whitestone doesn't exude self confidence or the "lets charge the hill" characteristics of some leaders...but when it's time to step up to the plate he digs his heels in and swings a big bat.

Cena was a doctor? Why, he knew the exact point to hit someone in the back of the head that would kil them in a few hours...sort of like a Ninja Delayed-Death-Dragon-Fist.

No question this was murder!

String up this pious cant-spouting killer!

That's what it was manslaughter, The guy followed got out his car chased the guy sucker punched him in the back o the head 5 to 10 baby.

@Manslaughter - agree
@angry - you'd have to prove all that, son - HIGHLY doubtful that St Leos has a ninja on staff LoLz
@Facts - yr neglecting the FACT yr friend got out his car put his hands on another person and now that man is D.E.A.D dead.

Roman Catholics and Muslims have a great deal in common. A propensity for violence.

NRA: "If these men had been armed, they could have settled this in a duel like fine American men instead of throwing punches like a couple of uss-ee-pays"

The Facts Wrote:
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> << My understanding is they did an autopsy to
> determine cause of death because Mr. O'brien had a
> pre-existing condition. Like so many Americans, he
> probably had high blood pressure, high cholesterol
> and pre-diabetes. Without knowing all the facts
> (as no one posting here does either) - I suspect
> he was on blood thinners - a fairly minimal blow
> could result in a subdural hematoma, which, if not
> treated in time, could result in death. The whole
> thing is a terrible tragedy, but I will wait for
> more facts before calling for an eye for an eye,
> or a gun-fight in Fairfax. It's a shame people
> here feel compelled to makie stupid assumptions
> about someone's nationality or to make other
> unfortunate and dumb statements about something so
> serious. While assaulting someone is a crime - the
> death of this person clearly was not intended nor
> foreseen by Mr. Cena or the staff in Best Buy, or
> apparently Mr. O'Brien. There are almost no
> details about what happened prior to Mr. O'Brien
> being punched... I can't imagine Mr. Cena, or any
> adult around Fairfax, would be provoked to
> physically assault someone simply for being beeped
> at.>>
>
> I agree...we don't know all the facts and we won't
> know them from local media. I know Cena and I know
> Fr Whitestone. Cena once confided in me that he
> was a doctor but quit his practice because of the
> high insurance. I have no idea if this is true or
> not. I admire Whitestone as a man of great courage
> and personal integrity. He did what was necessary.
> I know this was a blow to him. He hides nothing. I
> remember the painful Sunday he confessed to an
> alcohol addiction and announced his departure for
> 6 months of rehab. Fr and the diocese could have
> covered this up but he manned up to a problem and
> dealt with it. It was a painful time for the
> parish but in exchange we got a wonderful
> shepherd. He's dealt with this disappointment in
> similar fashion. I'm sure he did not learn of this
> immediately and may have been away from the parish
> when it happened. This was immediately after
> Easter which is a busy time for parish priests. Fr
> Whitestone usually takes some vacation before and
> after. When he had as many facts as he knew he
> published a letter in the Sunday Bulletin. This
> was about the same time the news appeared online
> in the diocesan newspaper as well as the local
> press.
>
> Yes...perhaps to some Fr Whitestone doesn't exude
> self confidence or the "lets charge the hill"
> characteristics of some leaders...but when it's
> time to step up to the plate he digs his heels in
> and swings a big bat.


Getting angry (as opposed to moral indignation) is nearly always a waste of time and energy, if not a positive danger. Adults don't get angry at irritations because they know this.

>>Roman Catholics and Muslims have a great deal in common. A propensity for violence.>>

Exceeded only by atheists stacking up the bodies in Communist countries like China and Russia. We could throw Hitler into that arena along with Stalin and Chairman Mao.

eduardo2 Wrote:
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> NRA: "If these men had been armed, they could
> have settled this in a duel like fine American men
> instead of throwing punches like a couple of
> uss-ee-pays"


So sad. And would stronger gun control laws have saved the victim's life? Shouldn't Fairfax County have more homicides because guns are so easily available there? DC and Maryland complain that Virginia is a source of guns, so shouldn't the source state for firearms have a higher homicide rate than the destination states which have much more stringent gun control laws?

This is tragic on so many levels. Both family men who in a moment of lapsed judgement have altered the lives of many. Please pray for all involved and please remember by the grace of God goes I.

RSR Wrote:
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> This is tragic on so many levels. Both family men
> who in a moment of lapsed judgement have altered
> the lives of many. Please pray for all involved
> and please remember by the grace of God goes I.



Your first sentence is correct. Your second one is ridiculous. Honking at someone is not a lapse in judgment. It's what the horn is for. Who cares if the guy honked for 30 minutes while behind the guy on a single lane road. That never gives you the escuse to follow someone and physically accost them. This shit head who did that will end up in prison and I hope it's for a long time.

mnm9897 Wrote:
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> There is a well established legal principle that
> one takes his victim as he finds him -- meaning
> that if you happen to punch a frail person who's
> on blood thinners and he internally bleeds to
> death, you're guilty of murder.

And I'd guess if you punched a toddler in the stomach really hard it could kill him. The fact that you could do the same to a 200 pound athlete and it wouldn't faze him wouldn't be much of a defense.

Librado Cena Wrote:
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> 9820 Saint Cloud CT Fairfax Va 22031
> 703-218-2964


OMG The shame he'll feel now. How did you do it? Putz!

What happened--wasn't today a court date for this case?

Cena:
Attachments:

Too many people are making a huge deal out of this. The fight was between two adults that both engaged in rude driving behavior. They both have fault in this tragedy.

Cena fucked up by not paying attention and driving too slow, and O'Brien may have been acting like a jackass by persistently honking his horn and might have flipped him off. We don't know the full story yet. I have personally been in altercations because of some slow asshole pissing me off but none have ended with me murdering someone, even though I always CC.

Regardless, shit happens and life goes on.

The grand jury failed to indict him. They cited his minority status. Simply put a minority cannot be an aggressor in our society. He felt that he was in danger and defended himself. Being a minority puts him in an unique situation. There was a rumor that he is moving back to Texas.

So, to sum up: Sunday School teacher assaults and kills a man, then says, essentially, that he shouldn't be punished because the other guy started it by being rude.

Wow.

Injustice Wrote:
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> So, to sum up: Sunday School teacher assaults and
> kills a man, then says, essentially, that he
> shouldn't be punished because the other guy
> started it by being rude.
>
> Wow.


Who said life was fair?

Alexander Smith Wrote:
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> Too many people are making a huge deal out of
> this. The fight was between two adults that both
> engaged in rude driving behavior. They both have
> fault in this tragedy.
>
> Cena fucked up by not paying attention and driving
> too slow, and O'Brien may have been acting like a
> jackass by persistently honking his horn and might
> have flipped him off. We don't know the full story
> yet. I have personally been in altercations
> because of some slow asshole pissing me off but
> none have ended with me murdering someone, even
> though I always CC.
>
> Regardless, shit happens and life goes on.

How do you figure that? He punched and killed someone, that's kind of a big deal to alot of people.

courthouse mole Wrote:
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> The grand jury failed to indict him.

Is this true? Did the Grand Jury fail to indict him?

The case is still active.
Attachments:

JohnGalt338 Wrote:
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> The case is still active.

Thanks! This is interesting, I wonder if he's entered a plea or if he has a lawyer. He's going to need a good one to get out of this.

So what...people get fucked up every day.. Maybe people shouldn't be laying on the fucking horn at every traffic light. All due to respect to a man who has passed, I feel for his family but these things happen when you instigate others.

I love listening to you Northern VA folk, whining and complaining while laying on your horn scowling at people and shsaking your fist from safe inside your little green cars. Where I am from you keep your fingers on the wheel, eyes on the road , do not go laying on your horn every time someone move as slow or as fast as you like, and most of all, keep your f@cking mouths shut or well, someone might take an issue with you.

Once those punches are thrown, as harsh as it sounds, shit just happens. If you aren't able to take a punch..keep your mouth shut. More importantly if you are not sure if you can actually take a punch or give one back, then tuck your mincey little balls back under you and drive like a gentleman. Works for everyone else.

Road Rage Wrote:
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> JohnGalt338 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The case is still active.
>
> Thanks! This is interesting, I wonder if he's
> entered a plea or if he has a lawyer. He's going
> to need a good one to get out of this.


Case is technically alive. But for all intents and purpose it is dead without the grand jury indictment. It sounds like he is moving away from hear. Good riddance.

doornail Wrote:
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> Road Rage Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > JohnGalt338 Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > The case is still active.
> >
> > Thanks! This is interesting, I wonder if he's
> > entered a plea or if he has a lawyer. He's
> going
> > to need a good one to get out of this.
>
>
> Case is technically alive. But for all intents and
> purpose it is dead without the grand jury
> indictment. It sounds like he is moving away from
> hear. Good riddance.

What a minute here. This guy killed someone else and the only testimony the police have is from the perp right? Whether he intended to kill the other driver or not doesn't matter. His intent was to harm this individual. We really don't know what happened on the road, not that it matters.

This is why I and my wife both have conceal carry permits. That dude wouldn't be in jail if he tried to jump me. He'd be worm food.

Librado Cena Wrote:
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> 9820 Saint Cloud CT Fairfax Va 22031
> 703-218-2964


Thank you all for your prayers. Pray for me at trial.

They can do a dirct indictment since the grand jury didn't do its job. Hope the fucker fries.

I hope be fries too.

PS. What type of small dicked male drives around in a minivan. Using an minivan to overcompensate for his lack of manhood is hilarious.


LEGAL Wrote:
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> They can do a dirct indictment since the grand
> jury didn't do its job. Hope the fucker fries.

St. Leo the Great Catholic Church in Fairfax ? wash post ?

also nun was killed by drunk driver on green card

recently a nun was fired

all the staff has changed i believe

lotta changes there

moreso at Truro church. seen that lately? walk by sometime. no longer what it was at all.

They still have the same jerk off principal at the school. He and his little VP would be rock stars at FCPS. But they are the worse leadership team in the diocese.

The idiot people who are saying that Muslims and Roman Catholics are violent, you should really shut up because I'm pretty sure that if someone called your religion violent, you would be offended. And that comment was extremely prejudice. Just because the terrorists were Muslim doesn't mean all Muslims are terrorists. And to those who are like "what happened to 'turn the other cheek?'" You guys are saying how he didn't follow that example. But what about you? Are you following that example. All you people on here are jerks. Just like thumper said, if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all

mortified469 Wrote:
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> Roman Catholics and Muslims have a great deal in
> common. A propensity for violence.


What is wrong with you? This is one of the most prejudice comment I've seen in my life. It is EXTREMELY offensive to some people. If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all.

Taz Wrote:
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> mortified469 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Roman Catholics and Muslims have a great deal
> in
> > common. A propensity for violence.
>
>
> What is wrong with you? This is one of the most
> prejudice comment I've seen in my life. It is
> EXTREMELY offensive to some people. If you don't
> have anything nice to say, don't say anything at
> all.


Catholics aren't violent. Muslims are!

ALLAHU SNACKBAR~!