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Spectre III radar detector detector
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Spectre III radar detector detector
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Date: August 20, 2008 03:06PM
Does Fairfax county cops use the Spectre III radar detector detector. I wonder if so how many actually have it.
Re: Spectre III radar detector detector
Posted by:
fios
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Date: August 20, 2008 03:58PM
nope i dont know
Re: Spectre III radar detector detector
Posted by:
cox
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Date: August 20, 2008 04:31PM
idk dude
Re: Spectre III radar detector detector
Posted by:
formerhick76
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Date: August 20, 2008 05:01PM
I wonder if there is a radar detector detector detector.
Seriously, the only reason VA has the ban is to allow cops to collect the $$$.
It seems the other 48 states (I think DC and CT also ban them) get by just fine and they aren't recreating Mad Max or The Road Warrior over there.
Seriously, the only reason VA has the ban is to allow cops to collect the $$$.
It seems the other 48 states (I think DC and CT also ban them) get by just fine and they aren't recreating Mad Max or The Road Warrior over there.
Re: Spectre III radar detector detector
Posted by:
Revenuer
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Date: August 20, 2008 05:33PM
It's ALL about the revenue.
Same reason every Va. Police Dept. is always shorthanded and needs more officers on the payroll.
Same reason every Va. Police Dept. is always shorthanded and needs more officers on the payroll.
Re: Spectre III radar detector detector
Posted by:
Lurker.
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Date: August 20, 2008 05:52PM
I've never heard of anybody actually being "detected" in FFX County. I've heard of a few that got caught because a cop saw it on their dash or in plain sight.
FYI - Radar detectors use to work great years ago, but that was before laser radar. If you're the only car on the road or not directly in the path of the laser radar then you probably won't get an alert until it's to late.
And, it's not illegal to own a radar detector in VA, it's illegal to have it in an operating position.
FYI - Radar detectors use to work great years ago, but that was before laser radar. If you're the only car on the road or not directly in the path of the laser radar then you probably won't get an alert until it's to late.
And, it's not illegal to own a radar detector in VA, it's illegal to have it in an operating position.
Re: Spectre III radar detector detector
Posted by:
AntiLidarCloaking
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Date: August 20, 2008 07:45PM
Spectre III radar detector detector Wrote:
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> Does Fairfax county cops use the Spectre III radar
> detector detector. I wonder if so how many
> actually have it.
FFX Police are upgrading to this:
http://www.kustomsignals.com/product_body2.asp?product_id=21&cat_id=10&strpagename=lidar
LIDAR...so fahgettaboutit
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> Does Fairfax county cops use the Spectre III radar
> detector detector. I wonder if so how many
> actually have it.
FFX Police are upgrading to this:
http://www.kustomsignals.com/product_body2.asp?product_id=21&cat_id=10&strpagename=lidar
LIDAR...so fahgettaboutit
Re: Spectre III radar detector detector
Posted by:
pgens
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Date: August 20, 2008 08:38PM
AntiLidarCloaking Wrote:
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> FFX Police are upgrading to this:
>
> http://www.kustomsignals.com/product_body2.asp?pro
> duct_id=21&cat_id=10&strpagename=lidar
>
> LIDAR...so fahgettaboutit
And for extra entertainment, check out the name of the Kompany that makes it. Perfect for the new world order and the United States of Amerika!
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> FFX Police are upgrading to this:
>
> http://www.kustomsignals.com/product_body2.asp?pro
> duct_id=21&cat_id=10&strpagename=lidar
>
> LIDAR...so fahgettaboutit
And for extra entertainment, check out the name of the Kompany that makes it. Perfect for the new world order and the United States of Amerika!
Re: Spectre III radar detector detector
Posted by:
Myth Buster
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Date: August 21, 2008 02:18PM
This is a myth, Radar deterctors are passive, you can not detect a passive device. Also, VA has banned them as technically VA police is not supposed to hide when doing speed traps. For instance SC you can have a detector, but you will find a cop hiding
in brush that radios ahead to tell the cop behind the wheel to pull you over.
in brush that radios ahead to tell the cop behind the wheel to pull you over.
Re: Spectre III radar detector detector
Posted by:
FUNdamental
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Date: August 21, 2008 03:07PM
Myth Buster Wrote:
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> This is a myth, Radar deterctors are passive, you
> can not detect a passive device. Also, VA has
> banned them as technically VA police is not
> supposed to hide when doing speed traps. For
> instance SC you can have a detector, but you will
> find a cop hiding
> in brush that radios ahead to tell the cop behind
> the wheel to pull you over.
I can't understand this post; can you rewrite it?
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> This is a myth, Radar deterctors are passive, you
> can not detect a passive device. Also, VA has
> banned them as technically VA police is not
> supposed to hide when doing speed traps. For
> instance SC you can have a detector, but you will
> find a cop hiding
> in brush that radios ahead to tell the cop behind
> the wheel to pull you over.
I can't understand this post; can you rewrite it?
Re: Spectre III radar detector detector
Posted by:
watcher
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Date: August 22, 2008 08:13AM
Myth Buster Wrote:
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> This is a myth, Radar deterctors are passive, you
> can not detect a passive device. Also, VA has
> banned them as technically VA police is not
> supposed to hide when doing speed traps. For
> instance SC you can have a detector, but you will
> find a cop hiding
> in brush that radios ahead to tell the cop behind
> the wheel to pull you over.
Wrong. Fail.
http://www.stalkerradar.com/spectreIV/redirect.html
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> This is a myth, Radar deterctors are passive, you
> can not detect a passive device. Also, VA has
> banned them as technically VA police is not
> supposed to hide when doing speed traps. For
> instance SC you can have a detector, but you will
> find a cop hiding
> in brush that radios ahead to tell the cop behind
> the wheel to pull you over.
Wrong. Fail.
http://www.stalkerradar.com/spectreIV/redirect.html
Re: Spectre III radar detector detector
Posted by:
KeepOnTruckin
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Date: August 24, 2008 12:11PM
Time for radar detector detector detectors (for citizens), and radar detector detector detector detectors (for cops)
Re: Spectre III radar detector detector
Posted by:
ltb
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Date: August 25, 2008 09:45AM
I think they do? better get yourself a STi Driver.
Spectre III radar detector detector Wrote:
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> Does Fairfax county cops use the Spectre III radar
> detector detector. I wonder if so how many
> actually have it.
Spectre III radar detector detector Wrote:
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> Does Fairfax county cops use the Spectre III radar
> detector detector. I wonder if so how many
> actually have it.
Re: Spectre III radar detector detector
Posted by:
Polymathic
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Date: November 01, 2008 07:07AM
I am afraid I have to correct you Myth Buster...
A RADAR (it's an acronym) detector is a receiver which contains a local oscillator which produces a signal which is combined internally (as in almost all radio receiver) with the received signal.
A RADAR detector detector is essentially a radio receiver and antenna tuned specifically to the local oscillator frequency of common RADAR detector products.
There are ways to attempt to minimize spurious emissions from detectors, and some makers have gone so far as to attempt to use oddball LO frequencies.
As for them being "passive".. some of the old crappy Radio Shack detectors emitted such ratty LO harmonics that they used to set off other driver's detectors.
I have 4 FCC radio licenses so trust me on this one.
Oh and most of the consumer "jammers" are total crap, but if you actually wanted to build one it's not that difficult, but it's an extraordinarily bad and potentially dangerous idea depending on with what you happen to inadvertently interfere.
As for the threads about the laws, I too am pretty sure (having read the Federal regs) that Virginia's law is actually pre-empted by Federal law and that they are illegally enforcing the Commonwealth's law.
I did see what I think is a pretty convenient loophole though, but it would require even more education of the judge than showing him the Federal laws.
(Hint: If your detector ever says "fog", you might be legal within the letter of the Virginia law and chose to litigate a citation.)
A RADAR (it's an acronym) detector is a receiver which contains a local oscillator which produces a signal which is combined internally (as in almost all radio receiver) with the received signal.
A RADAR detector detector is essentially a radio receiver and antenna tuned specifically to the local oscillator frequency of common RADAR detector products.
There are ways to attempt to minimize spurious emissions from detectors, and some makers have gone so far as to attempt to use oddball LO frequencies.
As for them being "passive".. some of the old crappy Radio Shack detectors emitted such ratty LO harmonics that they used to set off other driver's detectors.
I have 4 FCC radio licenses so trust me on this one.
Oh and most of the consumer "jammers" are total crap, but if you actually wanted to build one it's not that difficult, but it's an extraordinarily bad and potentially dangerous idea depending on with what you happen to inadvertently interfere.
As for the threads about the laws, I too am pretty sure (having read the Federal regs) that Virginia's law is actually pre-empted by Federal law and that they are illegally enforcing the Commonwealth's law.
I did see what I think is a pretty convenient loophole though, but it would require even more education of the judge than showing him the Federal laws.
(Hint: If your detector ever says "fog", you might be legal within the letter of the Virginia law and chose to litigate a citation.)
Re: Spectre III radar detector detector
Posted by:
trogdor!
()
Date: November 01, 2008 01:09PM
Polymathic Wrote:
-> (Hint: If your detector ever says "fog", you might
> be legal within the letter of the Virginia law and
> chose to litigate a citation.)
Are you referring to the Safety Warning System?
http://www.copradar.com/preview/chapt7/mess64.html
I think VA knows they're on shakey ground with the radar detector thing. Why else would they give back your radar detector? I think they're worried that if they take someone's $400 radar detector (without just compensation), they might be looking at a VA Supreme Court case which would overturn the law. Additionally, this is why they don't assign points for detector violations.
They want to keep the penalty small (~$50) to remove any incentive of the defendant to appeal to a higher court and thus possibly set a precedent.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/01/2008 01:11PM by trogdor!.
-> (Hint: If your detector ever says "fog", you might
> be legal within the letter of the Virginia law and
> chose to litigate a citation.)
Are you referring to the Safety Warning System?
http://www.copradar.com/preview/chapt7/mess64.html
I think VA knows they're on shakey ground with the radar detector thing. Why else would they give back your radar detector? I think they're worried that if they take someone's $400 radar detector (without just compensation), they might be looking at a VA Supreme Court case which would overturn the law. Additionally, this is why they don't assign points for detector violations.
They want to keep the penalty small (~$50) to remove any incentive of the defendant to appeal to a higher court and thus possibly set a precedent.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/01/2008 01:11PM by trogdor!.
Re: Spectre III radar detector detector
Posted by:
Brian
()
Date: November 01, 2008 08:25PM
I do not speed.(well, no more than 8 or 9mph above the posted speed limit)
The VA law banning radar detector is clearly unconstitutional. I don't plan
on buying a radar detector, even if it's legal in VA.
However, I do have a $50 Bushnell handheld sport radar.(the kind designed for
sports like tennis and baseball) It's fits in my coat pocket, as well as the
cupholder in my car. It sets off just about every radar detector that I've
come across. Brake lights light up like christmas trees... Enough said...
The VA law banning radar detector is clearly unconstitutional. I don't plan
on buying a radar detector, even if it's legal in VA.
However, I do have a $50 Bushnell handheld sport radar.(the kind designed for
sports like tennis and baseball) It's fits in my coat pocket, as well as the
cupholder in my car. It sets off just about every radar detector that I've
come across. Brake lights light up like christmas trees... Enough said...
Re: Spectre III radar detector detector
Posted by:
trogdor!
()
Date: November 01, 2008 10:17PM
Brian Wrote:
>It sets off just about every
> radar detector that I've
> come across. Brake lights light up like christmas
> trees... Enough said...
Keep in mind you can probably get a ticket for that as well, under the same section of the code:
6.2-1079. Radar detectors; demerit points not to be awarded.
A. It shall be unlawful for any person to operate a motor vehicle on the highways of the Commonwealth when such vehicle is equipped with any device or mechanism, passive or active, to detect or purposefully interfere with or diminish the measurement capabilities of any radar, laser, or other device or mechanism employed by law-enforcement personnel to measure the speed of motor vehicles on the highways of the Commonwealth for law-enforcement purposes.
A police officer who sees you pointing a radar gun from within your car might think you are attempting to jam or otherwise 'interfere' with police radar.
>It sets off just about every
> radar detector that I've
> come across. Brake lights light up like christmas
> trees... Enough said...
Keep in mind you can probably get a ticket for that as well, under the same section of the code:
6.2-1079. Radar detectors; demerit points not to be awarded.
A. It shall be unlawful for any person to operate a motor vehicle on the highways of the Commonwealth when such vehicle is equipped with any device or mechanism, passive or active, to detect or purposefully interfere with or diminish the measurement capabilities of any radar, laser, or other device or mechanism employed by law-enforcement personnel to measure the speed of motor vehicles on the highways of the Commonwealth for law-enforcement purposes.
A police officer who sees you pointing a radar gun from within your car might think you are attempting to jam or otherwise 'interfere' with police radar.
Re: Spectre III radar detector detector
Posted by:
Brian
()
Date: November 01, 2008 10:49PM
trogdor! Wrote:
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> A police officer who sees you pointing a radar gun
> from within your car might think you are
> attempting to jam or otherwise 'interfere' with
> police radar.
Last time I checked, it's perfectly legal to operate a Bushnell sport radar gun
on your own front lawn... to clock how fast your dog is running. how fast your kid
is throwing the baseball... AND how fast the traffic is moving on your street...
(or the Interstate behind the backyard fence)
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> A police officer who sees you pointing a radar gun
> from within your car might think you are
> attempting to jam or otherwise 'interfere' with
> police radar.
Last time I checked, it's perfectly legal to operate a Bushnell sport radar gun
on your own front lawn... to clock how fast your dog is running. how fast your kid
is throwing the baseball... AND how fast the traffic is moving on your street...
(or the Interstate behind the backyard fence)
Re: Spectre III radar detector detector
Posted by:
trogdor!
()
Date: November 01, 2008 11:38PM
Brian Wrote:
-Last time I checked, it's perfectly legal to
> operate a Bushnell sport radar gun
> on your own front lawn...
That's fine. The cup-holder comment threw me off.
> It's fits in my coat pocket, as well as the
> cupholder in my car.
-Last time I checked, it's perfectly legal to
> operate a Bushnell sport radar gun
> on your own front lawn...
That's fine. The cup-holder comment threw me off.
> It's fits in my coat pocket, as well as the
> cupholder in my car.
Re: Spectre III radar detector detector
Posted by:
Brian
()
Date: November 02, 2008 03:14AM
trogdor! Wrote:
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> That's fine. The cup-holder comment threw me
> off.
>
Well, I sometimes do keep it in my car... the whole thing fits in the cupholder,
like a travel mug, with the speed gun's pistol grip sticking out...
this is what I got...(an earlier model, but same features)
http://www.opticsplanet.net/picture-1-buve10frups.html
I'm just not sure why it's able to set off alarms in radar detectors on the
highway... don't radar detectors have some kind of filter to know that it's
a sport radar, not a police radar?
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> That's fine. The cup-holder comment threw me
> off.
>
Well, I sometimes do keep it in my car... the whole thing fits in the cupholder,
like a travel mug, with the speed gun's pistol grip sticking out...
this is what I got...(an earlier model, but same features)
http://www.opticsplanet.net/picture-1-buve10frups.html
I'm just not sure why it's able to set off alarms in radar detectors on the
highway... don't radar detectors have some kind of filter to know that it's
a sport radar, not a police radar?