Don Joy Wrote:
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> janet otersen Wrote:
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> > Concerned Teacher Wrote:
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> > > Sorry Don Joy but I don't agree with your
> view
> > > regarding the targeting of certain racial
> > groups.
> > > I am strictly making an observation regarding
> > > disciplinary measures for all students. I
> > believe
> > > that by offering a 2nd chance and extra help
> > > during suspensions, we are sending the
> message
> > > that these behaviors are not serious. Also,
> by
> > not
> > > forcing students to step up and accept
> > > consequences, they will never learn. It is
> the
> > > parents job to guide their students through
> > those
> > > consequences in a responsible manner, not the
> > > schools. We need to stop allowing excuses to
> be
> > > acceptable. That is why we have a generation
> of
> > > entitled teenagers.
> >
> >
> > I am a bit uncomfortable with a teacher of
> > teenagers convinced that we have a generation
> of
> > entitled teenagers--why don't you just call
> them
> > spoiled brats and tell us how you honestly feel
> > about the kids in your classroom?
> >
> > The second chance program is designed for
> > users--not dealers--big difference. Our county
> > survey tells us that nearly 1/3 of high school
> > kids experiment with alcohol and/or
> drugs--should
> > we go hard on all of them?
> >
> > Good Lord, our schools will be empty. The
> science
> > backs a policy of education, compassion, and
> > guidance--punishment has been used for decades
> and
> > it has been devastating and ineffective. Time
> to
> > listen to the experts and embrace best
> practices.
>
>
> Janet, before you liberals screwed everything up,
> punishment worked for thousands and thousands of
> years.
>
> Look at what nothing but 100% democrats running
> our inner cities has done. Your mindset has
> utterly destroyed Detroit and other once-great
> cities. Fairfax County is still in fairly good
> shape, but with more and more democrats gaining
> numbers and power here, it won't be long before we
> too are like the increasingly communist, failed
> 3rd world of Prince George's County...and no, our
> schools won't be empty, they will be full of
> mostly mindful, respectful students with
> misbehaving problem kids being the exception
> instead of the norm embraced by the likes of you.
>
> That is, punishment AND reward, recognition, and
> praise. Now we have an honors night being
> cancelled at one school so as not to make
> underachievers feel bad! More sick communism:
>
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/03/21/princip
> al-sparks-outrage-after-canceling-honors-night-for
> -more-inclusive-student-assembly/
Rather than quoting statistics, I think someone needs to do an in-depth analysis that goes further than ethnicity. I remember reading somewhere that rather than just race, economic disparities should also be examined, i.e. kids from poorer families often have more behavioral and performance issues because of things such as less parental supervision (sometimes due to parents working multiple jobs to make ends meet), etc. Rather than just assume that the higher proportion of blacks and hispanics that are disciplined are due to racial bias, perhaps the circumstances of the infractions need to be investigated more closely. I'm disturbed by Janet's automatic assumption that these statistics mean that the "schools need to be called out" on this. Has anyone checked to see what the infractions were, and if they were fair and legitimate, or is everyone just assuming that because the rate of suspensions for minorities are higher, there must be something wrong with the school? I also think that the offer of a second chance needs to be weighed against the circumstances. Honor roll student who takes an over-the-counter antihistamine or pain reliever, or someone who tries something for the first time, I can understand leniency. However, a hard core drug or alcohol abuser probably needs to be placed in a rehab program and maybe an alternative school.