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Clothes that fit like Abercrombie?
Posted by:
Buyer100
()
Date: May 18, 2013 01:56AM
OK, so 10 years ago I was one of those douchebags that wore Abercrombie.
But for someone like me who has broad shoulders and chest, but a skinny waist, they fit perfectly.
Anyone know of any similar fitting brands for older people?
But for someone like me who has broad shoulders and chest, but a skinny waist, they fit perfectly.
Anyone know of any similar fitting brands for older people?
Re: Clothes that fit like Abercrombie?
Posted by:
eesh
()
Date: May 18, 2013 01:57AM
Whatever happened to that upscale, more mature line they had? Something like Ruehl....there was one at Tyson's a long time ago.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/18/2013 01:57AM by eesh.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/18/2013 01:57AM by eesh.
Re: Clothes that fit like Abercrombie?
Posted by:
Kiton or Fray
()
Date: May 18, 2013 09:42AM
I am also have broad shoulders and chest. I like Kiton shirts ($700 and up) or Fray ($600 and up) if you have the money. You can get them a Neiman at Tyson II. The Kiton handmade Napoli cut is perfect if you are slim and have broad shoulders. Fray is handmade on a 18th century silk loom. If you are the typical fat, overweight American than stick with Brook Brothers or whatever shit brand for fat people.
Re: Clothes that fit like Abercrombie?
Posted by:
Clothes horse
()
Date: May 18, 2013 11:13AM
I am also have broad shoulders and chest. I like Kiton shirts ($700 and up) or Fray ($600 and up) if you have the money. You can get them a Neiman at Tyson II. The Kiton handmade Napoli cut is perfect if you are slim and have broad shoulders. Fray is handmade on a 18th century silk loom. If you are the typical fat, overweight American than stick with Brook Brothers or whatever shit brand for fat people.
Even gay people would call you a fag...
Most "typical" Americans have enough sense to not buy a $700 (and up) shirt.
Even gay people would call you a fag...
Most "typical" Americans have enough sense to not buy a $700 (and up) shirt.
Re: Clothes that fit like Abercrombie?
Posted by:
Young Curmudgeon
()
Date: May 18, 2013 11:39AM
How about acknowledging that you're 10 years older and your clothing choices should've changed.
Re: Clothes that fit like Abercrombie?
Posted by:
head scratcher
()
Date: May 18, 2013 11:45AM
I see a thread like this and I say to myself "Self, are you SO out of it that you can't understand why a BRAND of clothes is important?".
And all I can do is see the guy in the mirror scratching his head.
Are we in New York?
And all I can do is see the guy in the mirror scratching his head.
Are we in New York?
Re: Clothes that fit like Abercrombie?
Posted by:
old people got no reason
()
Date: May 18, 2013 11:47AM
Lane Bryant
Re: Clothes that fit like Abercrombie?
Posted by:
Gjuygygg
()
Date: May 18, 2013 11:57AM
Clothes horse Wrote:
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> I am also have broad shoulders and chest. I like
> Kiton shirts ($700 and up) or Fray ($600 and up)
> if you have the money. You can get them a Neiman
> at Tyson II. The Kiton handmade Napoli cut is
> perfect if you are slim and have broad shoulders.
> Fray is handmade on a 18th century silk loom. If
> you are the typical fat, overweight American than
> stick with Brook Brothers or whatever shit brand
> for fat people.
>
>
>
>
> Even gay people would call you a fag...
>
>
> Most "typical" Americans have enough sense to not
> buy a $700 (and up) shirt.
There is definitely a market for a $700 finely made shirt, just like there is a market for a $25,000+ Rolex or a $7,000 suit (otherwise Tyson II wouldn't be able to survive for 20+ years). If you can't afford any of the 3, I guess calling the man who can a faggot must somehow compensate for your inadequacy.
Maybe you retarded fat people should stop voting against your own economic self-interest, so then the 1-percenters will have less money to waste on expensive clothes. Naw, Didn't think so.
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> I am also have broad shoulders and chest. I like
> Kiton shirts ($700 and up) or Fray ($600 and up)
> if you have the money. You can get them a Neiman
> at Tyson II. The Kiton handmade Napoli cut is
> perfect if you are slim and have broad shoulders.
> Fray is handmade on a 18th century silk loom. If
> you are the typical fat, overweight American than
> stick with Brook Brothers or whatever shit brand
> for fat people.
>
>
>
>
> Even gay people would call you a fag...
>
>
> Most "typical" Americans have enough sense to not
> buy a $700 (and up) shirt.
There is definitely a market for a $700 finely made shirt, just like there is a market for a $25,000+ Rolex or a $7,000 suit (otherwise Tyson II wouldn't be able to survive for 20+ years). If you can't afford any of the 3, I guess calling the man who can a faggot must somehow compensate for your inadequacy.
Maybe you retarded fat people should stop voting against your own economic self-interest, so then the 1-percenters will have less money to waste on expensive clothes. Naw, Didn't think so.
Re: Clothes that fit like Abercrombie?
Posted by:
Marketing is a Beautiful Thing
()
Date: May 18, 2013 02:02PM
Gjuygygg Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Clothes horse Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I am also have broad shoulders and chest. I
> like
> > Kiton shirts ($700 and up) or Fray ($600 and
> up)
> > if you have the money. You can get them a
> Neiman
> > at Tyson II. The Kiton handmade Napoli cut is
> > perfect if you are slim and have broad
> shoulders.
> > Fray is handmade on a 18th century silk loom.
> If
> > you are the typical fat, overweight American
> than
> > stick with Brook Brothers or whatever shit
> brand
> > for fat people.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Even gay people would call you a fag...
> >
> >
> > Most "typical" Americans have enough sense to
> not
> > buy a $700 (and up) shirt.
>
> There is definitely a market for a $700 finely
> made shirt, just like there is a market for a
> $25,000+ Rolex or a $7,000 suit (otherwise Tyson
> II wouldn't be able to survive for 20+ years). If
> you can't afford any of the 3, I guess calling the
> man who can a faggot must somehow compensate for
> your inadequacy.
>
> Maybe you retarded fat people should stop voting
> against your own economic self-interest, so then
> the 1-percenters will have less money to waste on
> expensive clothes. Naw, Didn't think so.
Yeah, there's a market for it - people buying the pretense of affluence in the form of a brand.
The hard cold truth is that the vast majority of people who buy things like this are not those who truly have the money nor even then are they buying on the basis of any substantial true differences in quality. They are, as marketing types who target them for such products refer to it, "aspirational buyers." Which is simply a nicer way of saying "wannabes." They are buying status via labels. Period. Hard stop.
This is not an arguable point. It is a standard, accepted Marketing 101 truth. It's the basis upon which most such companies owe their entire existence. And if you'd read, for example, their own financials and various other communications to investors versus their consumer advertising, then you'll find that they effectively concede as much. They go into great detail in describing their strategies and specific approaches to do so. That also is the basis upon which the companies, investors, and others similarly involved in such industries evaluate their success. That is, not on any true differences in the function, quality, or other attributes of their products, but rather the strength of the branding and how successful they are at convincing consumers to part with their money for that branding alone.
For the most part, the price differential of such products has nothing at all to do with function or quality. Beyond pure higher profit margins based on branding as above, at the level of product cost the largest differences in costs are nicer storefronts in better, more expensive retail locations, better and more highly compensated people in various roles at a corporate level, more highly compensated salespeople, very extensive and more expensive ad campaigns with better quality models/photographers/locations, etc., etc. Any actual differences in materials, design, or assembly are absolutely dwarfed by all of that. Again, really not an arguable point but rather clearly demonstrable in any number of objective ways.
Look, there's nothing wrong with paying for quality where it may count. There's also nothing wrong with splurging on things assuming that you have the money to do so. It's an entirely different matter though to actually assert that the retail price of such heavily marketed products necessarily equates to some vastly greater relative differences in function or quality. Or to pretend that you're doing anything other than exactly what you are when buying such things.
And then you want to talk about someone compensating? That's even more rich (pun intended).
Yeah, yeah, I know... I'm just fat and can't afford it... lulz
-------------------------------------------------------
> Clothes horse Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I am also have broad shoulders and chest. I
> like
> > Kiton shirts ($700 and up) or Fray ($600 and
> up)
> > if you have the money. You can get them a
> Neiman
> > at Tyson II. The Kiton handmade Napoli cut is
> > perfect if you are slim and have broad
> shoulders.
> > Fray is handmade on a 18th century silk loom.
> If
> > you are the typical fat, overweight American
> than
> > stick with Brook Brothers or whatever shit
> brand
> > for fat people.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Even gay people would call you a fag...
> >
> >
> > Most "typical" Americans have enough sense to
> not
> > buy a $700 (and up) shirt.
>
> There is definitely a market for a $700 finely
> made shirt, just like there is a market for a
> $25,000+ Rolex or a $7,000 suit (otherwise Tyson
> II wouldn't be able to survive for 20+ years). If
> you can't afford any of the 3, I guess calling the
> man who can a faggot must somehow compensate for
> your inadequacy.
>
> Maybe you retarded fat people should stop voting
> against your own economic self-interest, so then
> the 1-percenters will have less money to waste on
> expensive clothes. Naw, Didn't think so.
Yeah, there's a market for it - people buying the pretense of affluence in the form of a brand.
The hard cold truth is that the vast majority of people who buy things like this are not those who truly have the money nor even then are they buying on the basis of any substantial true differences in quality. They are, as marketing types who target them for such products refer to it, "aspirational buyers." Which is simply a nicer way of saying "wannabes." They are buying status via labels. Period. Hard stop.
This is not an arguable point. It is a standard, accepted Marketing 101 truth. It's the basis upon which most such companies owe their entire existence. And if you'd read, for example, their own financials and various other communications to investors versus their consumer advertising, then you'll find that they effectively concede as much. They go into great detail in describing their strategies and specific approaches to do so. That also is the basis upon which the companies, investors, and others similarly involved in such industries evaluate their success. That is, not on any true differences in the function, quality, or other attributes of their products, but rather the strength of the branding and how successful they are at convincing consumers to part with their money for that branding alone.
For the most part, the price differential of such products has nothing at all to do with function or quality. Beyond pure higher profit margins based on branding as above, at the level of product cost the largest differences in costs are nicer storefronts in better, more expensive retail locations, better and more highly compensated people in various roles at a corporate level, more highly compensated salespeople, very extensive and more expensive ad campaigns with better quality models/photographers/locations, etc., etc. Any actual differences in materials, design, or assembly are absolutely dwarfed by all of that. Again, really not an arguable point but rather clearly demonstrable in any number of objective ways.
Look, there's nothing wrong with paying for quality where it may count. There's also nothing wrong with splurging on things assuming that you have the money to do so. It's an entirely different matter though to actually assert that the retail price of such heavily marketed products necessarily equates to some vastly greater relative differences in function or quality. Or to pretend that you're doing anything other than exactly what you are when buying such things.
And then you want to talk about someone compensating? That's even more rich (pun intended).
Yeah, yeah, I know... I'm just fat and can't afford it... lulz
Re: Clothes that fit like Abercrombie?
Posted by:
One Born Every Minute
()
Date: May 18, 2013 02:17PM
There are some things for which it is worth paying a substantial premium, primarily those for which there is a corresponding increase in quality. A shirt is not ohe of them. There is little difference between a $70 shirt and a $700 shirt. None that are worth paying that kind of money for.
I find it sad that people waste money on stuff like this. I find it appalling that people make obscene amounts of money off of people like this. Save for your retirement, buy a house, put it in a college fund for your kids, or give it to charity. Just don't waste it on a status symbol, and not a particularly visible one at that.
I find it sad that people waste money on stuff like this. I find it appalling that people make obscene amounts of money off of people like this. Save for your retirement, buy a house, put it in a college fund for your kids, or give it to charity. Just don't waste it on a status symbol, and not a particularly visible one at that.
Re: Clothes that fit like Abercrombie?
Posted by:
ex-Lester
()
Date: May 18, 2013 02:17PM
"Maybe you retarded fat people should stop voting against your own economic self-interest, so then the 1-percenters will have less money to waste on expensive clothes. Naw, Didn't think so."
Actually, you don't get a vote on that.
You don't get to vote for who sits on the Federal Reserve's Board of Governors. Most of the weath comes from mnonetary expansion which trickles down ... at best.
Actually, you don't get a vote on that.
You don't get to vote for who sits on the Federal Reserve's Board of Governors. Most of the weath comes from mnonetary expansion which trickles down ... at best.
Re: Clothes that fit like Abercrombie?
Posted by:
Gone gone gone
()
Date: May 18, 2013 03:23PM
eesh Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Whatever happened to that upscale, more mature
> line they had? Something like Ruehl....there was
> one at Tyson's a long time ago.
A&F shut it down when the economic downturn hit.
Like A&F ... it catered primarily to douche bags who thought they were still in college and the girl at the party you wish you hadn't started a conversation with.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Whatever happened to that upscale, more mature
> line they had? Something like Ruehl....there was
> one at Tyson's a long time ago.
A&F shut it down when the economic downturn hit.
Like A&F ... it catered primarily to douche bags who thought they were still in college and the girl at the party you wish you hadn't started a conversation with.
Re: Clothes that fit like Abercrombie?
Posted by:
Uruguay
()
Date: May 18, 2013 03:36PM
>
> Yeah, yeah, I know... I'm just fat and can't
> afford it... lulz
You are just fat and can't afford it. Keep having your clothes made in Bangladesh or some other hellhole.
Marketing 101 is mostly math models. Yes, marketing math models about yield and retention. It's clear from your stupid essay, you never actually took Marketing 101 even at a tier 3 school, forget the top 10 b-school I went to. Cut the crap fat boy.
> Yeah, yeah, I know... I'm just fat and can't
> afford it... lulz
You are just fat and can't afford it. Keep having your clothes made in Bangladesh or some other hellhole.
Marketing 101 is mostly math models. Yes, marketing math models about yield and retention. It's clear from your stupid essay, you never actually took Marketing 101 even at a tier 3 school, forget the top 10 b-school I went to. Cut the crap fat boy.
Re: Clothes that fit like Abercrombie?
Posted by:
Space Ghost
()
Date: May 18, 2013 03:40PM
If you can't find well-fitting shirts at a good price, buy shirts that fit you well in the shoulders and have a tailor taper the body. (And arms if necessary.) My tailor charges $45 to taper the body of a blazer or suit jacket, so I imagine it's less than that for shirts.
Fit is the most important thing in clothes so once you're past a basic level of quality and price, you should have things tailored. A $50 shirt (or a $20 shirt) with $50 worth of tailoring (or less, I've never had shirts tailored) will look better than a $100 or $700 shirt off the rack. (Unless you're very lucky and find a $100 shirt that fits you exactly in every dimension.)
If it's a dress shirt that will always be under a suit or blazer than it's not as important for the shirt to fit, though.
Fit is the most important thing in clothes so once you're past a basic level of quality and price, you should have things tailored. A $50 shirt (or a $20 shirt) with $50 worth of tailoring (or less, I've never had shirts tailored) will look better than a $100 or $700 shirt off the rack. (Unless you're very lucky and find a $100 shirt that fits you exactly in every dimension.)
If it's a dress shirt that will always be under a suit or blazer than it's not as important for the shirt to fit, though.
Re: Clothes that fit like Abercrombie?
Posted by:
Marketing is a Beautiful Thing
()
Date: May 18, 2013 04:16PM
Uruguay Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Yeah, yeah, I know... I'm just fat and can't
> > afford it... lulz
>
> You are just fat and can't afford it. Keep having
> your clothes made in Bangladesh or some other
> hellhole.
>
> Marketing 101 is mostly math models. Yes,
> marketing math models about yield and retention.
> It's clear from your stupid essay, you never
> actually took Marketing 101 even at a tier 3
> school, forget the top 10 b-school I went to. Cut
> the crap fat boy.
Yeah, cause I meant that literally. Only someone as "smart" as you would mistake that.
But, then I guess since you can't really argue the substance, weak-ass crap like that is the best ya got left.
BTW, the skinny jeans ain't work for you brah. No matter how much you paid for them you still look like a putz.
lulz
-------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Yeah, yeah, I know... I'm just fat and can't
> > afford it... lulz
>
> You are just fat and can't afford it. Keep having
> your clothes made in Bangladesh or some other
> hellhole.
>
> Marketing 101 is mostly math models. Yes,
> marketing math models about yield and retention.
> It's clear from your stupid essay, you never
> actually took Marketing 101 even at a tier 3
> school, forget the top 10 b-school I went to. Cut
> the crap fat boy.
Yeah, cause I meant that literally. Only someone as "smart" as you would mistake that.
But, then I guess since you can't really argue the substance, weak-ass crap like that is the best ya got left.
BTW, the skinny jeans ain't work for you brah. No matter how much you paid for them you still look like a putz.
lulz
Re: Clothes that fit like Abercrombie?
Posted by:
Got called out
()
Date: May 18, 2013 05:38PM
Marketing is a Beautiful Thing Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Uruguay Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > >
> > > Yeah, yeah, I know... I'm just fat and can't
> > > afford it... lulz
> >
> > You are just fat and can't afford it. Keep
> having
> > your clothes made in Bangladesh or some other
> > hellhole.
> >
> > Marketing 101 is mostly math models. Yes,
> > marketing math models about yield and retention.
>
> > It's clear from your stupid essay, you never
> > actually took Marketing 101 even at a tier 3
> > school, forget the top 10 b-school I went to.
> Cut
> > the crap fat boy.
>
>
> Yeah, cause I meant that literally. Only someone
> as "smart" as you would mistake that.
>
> But, then I guess since you can't really argue the
> substance, weak-ass crap like that is the best ya
> got left.
>
>
> BTW, the skinny jeans ain't work for you brah. No
> matter how much you paid for them you still look
> like a putz.
>
> lulz
It was obvious from you retarded rant you never took Marketing 101. You got called out and had to come clean. Learn to stop talking out of your ass because you really do sound that stupid. You're like a black man with 2nd grade education that uses fancy words he doesn't understand. Tell us more about this "Marketing 101" that you never took nor really understand. You went to NVCC, right????
-------------------------------------------------------
> Uruguay Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > >
> > > Yeah, yeah, I know... I'm just fat and can't
> > > afford it... lulz
> >
> > You are just fat and can't afford it. Keep
> having
> > your clothes made in Bangladesh or some other
> > hellhole.
> >
> > Marketing 101 is mostly math models. Yes,
> > marketing math models about yield and retention.
>
> > It's clear from your stupid essay, you never
> > actually took Marketing 101 even at a tier 3
> > school, forget the top 10 b-school I went to.
> Cut
> > the crap fat boy.
>
>
> Yeah, cause I meant that literally. Only someone
> as "smart" as you would mistake that.
>
> But, then I guess since you can't really argue the
> substance, weak-ass crap like that is the best ya
> got left.
>
>
> BTW, the skinny jeans ain't work for you brah. No
> matter how much you paid for them you still look
> like a putz.
>
> lulz
It was obvious from you retarded rant you never took Marketing 101. You got called out and had to come clean. Learn to stop talking out of your ass because you really do sound that stupid. You're like a black man with 2nd grade education that uses fancy words he doesn't understand. Tell us more about this "Marketing 101" that you never took nor really understand. You went to NVCC, right????
Re: Clothes that fit like Abercrombie?
Posted by:
Anonymous editor
()
Date: May 18, 2013 06:27PM
Too bad this thread is deteriorating into some kind of male ego contest. As an objective observer with a perspicacious eye for excellent writing, I was delighted to see some insightful contributions to threads on this board.
Full disclosure: I am a woman, have no affiliation to any retailers or brands referenced above, have no experience or "training" in marketing, and (come to think of it) realize that boredom was my only impetus for reading this thread. That said, I view "Marketing is a beautiful thing"'s first post as persuasive.
I wish I could moderate this debate to back it out of this ditch of personal attacks. For a post or two, I was heartened to see this board percolating with intelligent discussion; I believe we need more open, non-commercial forums where people can convey, weigh, and discern new ways to be moderate, conscientious consumers.
Full disclosure: I am a woman, have no affiliation to any retailers or brands referenced above, have no experience or "training" in marketing, and (come to think of it) realize that boredom was my only impetus for reading this thread. That said, I view "Marketing is a beautiful thing"'s first post as persuasive.
I wish I could moderate this debate to back it out of this ditch of personal attacks. For a post or two, I was heartened to see this board percolating with intelligent discussion; I believe we need more open, non-commercial forums where people can convey, weigh, and discern new ways to be moderate, conscientious consumers.
Re: Clothes that fit like Abercrombie?
Posted by:
Weak Fail
()
Date: May 18, 2013 06:49PM
Got called out Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Marketing is a Beautiful Thing Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Uruguay Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > >
> > > > Yeah, yeah, I know... I'm just fat and
> can't
> > > > afford it... lulz
> > >
> > > You are just fat and can't afford it. Keep
> > having
> > > your clothes made in Bangladesh or some other
> > > hellhole.
> > >
> > > Marketing 101 is mostly math models. Yes,
> > > marketing math models about yield and
> retention.
> >
> > > It's clear from your stupid essay, you never
> > > actually took Marketing 101 even at a tier 3
> > > school, forget the top 10 b-school I went to.
>
> > Cut
> > > the crap fat boy.
> >
> >
> > Yeah, cause I meant that literally. Only
> someone
> > as "smart" as you would mistake that.
> >
> > But, then I guess since you can't really argue
> the
> > substance, weak-ass crap like that is the best
> ya
> > got left.
> >
> >
> > BTW, the skinny jeans ain't work for you brah.
> No
> > matter how much you paid for them you still
> look
> > like a putz.
> >
> > lulz
>
> It was obvious from you retarded rant you never
> took Marketing 101. You got called out and had to
> come clean. Learn to stop talking out of your ass
> because you really do sound that stupid. You're
> like a black man with 2nd grade education that
> uses fancy words he doesn't understand. Tell us
> more about this "Marketing 101" that you never
> took nor really understand. You went to NVCC,
> right????
Oh yeah, I really got called out by your own idiocy in taking that literally.
Man, you really got me...
I'm crushed...
Really...
How could I have fucked up so bad?
You're a joke dude. lol
Now go run and take those red, plaid, stretchy 7 For All Mankind jeans that look like you borrowed them from your girlfriend to Goodwill before they close.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Marketing is a Beautiful Thing Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Uruguay Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > >
> > > > Yeah, yeah, I know... I'm just fat and
> can't
> > > > afford it... lulz
> > >
> > > You are just fat and can't afford it. Keep
> > having
> > > your clothes made in Bangladesh or some other
> > > hellhole.
> > >
> > > Marketing 101 is mostly math models. Yes,
> > > marketing math models about yield and
> retention.
> >
> > > It's clear from your stupid essay, you never
> > > actually took Marketing 101 even at a tier 3
> > > school, forget the top 10 b-school I went to.
>
> > Cut
> > > the crap fat boy.
> >
> >
> > Yeah, cause I meant that literally. Only
> someone
> > as "smart" as you would mistake that.
> >
> > But, then I guess since you can't really argue
> the
> > substance, weak-ass crap like that is the best
> ya
> > got left.
> >
> >
> > BTW, the skinny jeans ain't work for you brah.
> No
> > matter how much you paid for them you still
> look
> > like a putz.
> >
> > lulz
>
> It was obvious from you retarded rant you never
> took Marketing 101. You got called out and had to
> come clean. Learn to stop talking out of your ass
> because you really do sound that stupid. You're
> like a black man with 2nd grade education that
> uses fancy words he doesn't understand. Tell us
> more about this "Marketing 101" that you never
> took nor really understand. You went to NVCC,
> right????
Oh yeah, I really got called out by your own idiocy in taking that literally.
Man, you really got me...
I'm crushed...
Really...
How could I have fucked up so bad?
You're a joke dude. lol
Now go run and take those red, plaid, stretchy 7 For All Mankind jeans that look like you borrowed them from your girlfriend to Goodwill before they close.
Re: Clothes that fit like Abercrombie?
Posted by:
Anonymous editor
()
Date: May 18, 2013 07:16PM
[Sigh]
I guess the moment has passed. We almost had interesting civil discourse here.
You two can have the thread back to duke it out...
I guess the moment has passed. We almost had interesting civil discourse here.
You two can have the thread back to duke it out...
Re: Clothes that fit like Abercrombie?
Posted by:
What a moron!!
()
Date: May 18, 2013 07:36PM
Marketing Retard, here goes...
No marketing course or marketing professor would dare to not respect the customer and assume he/she is a sucker like "Your Retardedness" is doing. Why Not?? Because it never works. Customers are not stupid (think Cadillac Cimarron). Quite the opposite. Customers are smart and every marketer knows this except this moron. The Customer Value Propostion (a real marketing term for you) must exceed the price if you expect to have any customer retention or good work of mouth. No legitimate business would openly admit to their shareholders their product sucks and they are in the business of fooling their customers with marketing. That's just bullshit "Your Retardedness" made up because he knows nothing. If you really think a $700 is just like a $70 shirt with a luxury label sown on it, you really are retarded. Here are the differences:
1. That $700 shirt is made by a white person in Italy or France with a living wage, not in some Bangladeshi factory about to collapse. Look carefully at your shirt and you'll probably find some Bangladeshi blood splatter on it.
2. The fabric is Egyptian or Sea Island cotton (or something even higher) made exclusively for them at their own mill or affiliate mill. It's a cost no object fabric pattern. Some like Riva cotton are made on a silk loom for the highest thread count possible.
3. The amount of hand stitching is very high. 70% of the shirt never ever touches a sowing machine. The buttons are sown on by hand one by one. It's called a crow's foot stitch. No machine can do it.
4. The fit is better because the Europeans use smaller size increments and if you go bespoke, the fit is perfect.
5. The comfort level of a good $700 vs $70. This you have to experience it for yourself after a long day at work. There is a difference. But since you are big, fat & stupid and talk bullshit about things you know nothing about, I doubt you ever will.
Yeah, keep thinking a $700 shirt you can't afford is exactly the same as your POS clothing and it's all marketing even though you never ever took a marketing class or know anything about marketing except some bullshit you read in BusinessWeek.
No marketing course or marketing professor would dare to not respect the customer and assume he/she is a sucker like "Your Retardedness" is doing. Why Not?? Because it never works. Customers are not stupid (think Cadillac Cimarron). Quite the opposite. Customers are smart and every marketer knows this except this moron. The Customer Value Propostion (a real marketing term for you) must exceed the price if you expect to have any customer retention or good work of mouth. No legitimate business would openly admit to their shareholders their product sucks and they are in the business of fooling their customers with marketing. That's just bullshit "Your Retardedness" made up because he knows nothing. If you really think a $700 is just like a $70 shirt with a luxury label sown on it, you really are retarded. Here are the differences:
1. That $700 shirt is made by a white person in Italy or France with a living wage, not in some Bangladeshi factory about to collapse. Look carefully at your shirt and you'll probably find some Bangladeshi blood splatter on it.
2. The fabric is Egyptian or Sea Island cotton (or something even higher) made exclusively for them at their own mill or affiliate mill. It's a cost no object fabric pattern. Some like Riva cotton are made on a silk loom for the highest thread count possible.
3. The amount of hand stitching is very high. 70% of the shirt never ever touches a sowing machine. The buttons are sown on by hand one by one. It's called a crow's foot stitch. No machine can do it.
4. The fit is better because the Europeans use smaller size increments and if you go bespoke, the fit is perfect.
5. The comfort level of a good $700 vs $70. This you have to experience it for yourself after a long day at work. There is a difference. But since you are big, fat & stupid and talk bullshit about things you know nothing about, I doubt you ever will.
Yeah, keep thinking a $700 shirt you can't afford is exactly the same as your POS clothing and it's all marketing even though you never ever took a marketing class or know anything about marketing except some bullshit you read in BusinessWeek.
Re: Clothes that fit like Abercrombie?
Posted by:
Skepticall
()
Date: May 18, 2013 08:20PM
I have a hard time believing people who can afford $700 shirts spend their time fucking around on trashy Internet forums like this. What do you do for a living? Shouldn't you be busy running a company? Are you a trust fund baby, or a Saudi royal who lives on stolen oil wealth?
Re: Clothes that fit like Abercrombie?
Posted by:
Cut Me a Break
()
Date: May 18, 2013 09:04PM
What a moron!! Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Marketing Retard, here goes...
>
> No marketing course or marketing professor would
> dare to not respect the customer and assume he/she
> is a sucker like "Your Retardedness" is doing.
> Why Not?? Because it never works. Customers are
> not stupid (think Cadillac Cimarron). Quite the
> opposite. Customers are smart and every marketer
> knows this except this moron. The Customer Value
> Propostion (a real marketing term for you) must
> exceed the price if you expect to have any
> customer retention or good work of mouth. No
> legitimate business would openly admit to their
> shareholders their product sucks and they are in
> the business of fooling their customers with
> marketing. That's just bullshit "Your
> Retardedness" made up because he knows nothing.
> If you really think a $700 is just like a $70
> shirt with a luxury label sown on it, you really
> are retarded. Here are the differences:
>
> 1. That $700 shirt is made by a white person in
> Italy or France with a living wage, not in some
> Bangladeshi factory about to collapse. Look
> carefully at your shirt and you'll probably find
> some Bangladeshi blood splatter on it.
>
> 2. The fabric is Egyptian or Sea Island cotton (or
> something even higher) made exclusively for them
> at their own mill or affiliate mill. It's a cost
> no object fabric pattern. Some like Riva cotton
> are made on a silk loom for the highest thread
> count possible.
>
> 3. The amount of hand stitching is very high. 70%
> of the shirt never ever touches a sowing machine.
> The buttons are sown on by hand one by one. It's
> called a crow's foot stitch. No machine can do
> it.
>
> 4. The fit is better because the Europeans use
> smaller size increments and if you go bespoke, the
> fit is perfect.
>
> 5. The comfort level of a good $700 vs $70. This
> you have to experience it for yourself after a
> long day at work. There is a difference. But
> since you are big, fat & stupid and talk bullshit
> about things you know nothing about, I doubt you
> ever will.
>
> Yeah, keep thinking a $700 shirt you can't afford
> is exactly the same as your POS clothing and it's
> all marketing even though you never ever took a
> marketing class or know anything about marketing
> except some bullshit you read in BusinessWeek.
Who gives a flying rat's ass about any of this? Your diatribe about marketing is ridiculous bullshit to cover up the fact that you spend an insane amount of money on a fucking SHIRT! What is wrong with you? You are a 20-something who feels 'empowered' because someone equally as obnoxious as you bought the bullshit you are pedaling with your 'top ten' business school degree.
BTW, no one is buying the idea that you actually care about the living conditions of the people who make the expensive shirt you are buying. That's just a cover to justify your spending. And the people who make the expensive shirt you are buying are probably paid minimum wage, at best. They probably hate your guts.
Get a grip, fella. One day you will have more significant problems than how comfy your shirt is.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Marketing Retard, here goes...
>
> No marketing course or marketing professor would
> dare to not respect the customer and assume he/she
> is a sucker like "Your Retardedness" is doing.
> Why Not?? Because it never works. Customers are
> not stupid (think Cadillac Cimarron). Quite the
> opposite. Customers are smart and every marketer
> knows this except this moron. The Customer Value
> Propostion (a real marketing term for you) must
> exceed the price if you expect to have any
> customer retention or good work of mouth. No
> legitimate business would openly admit to their
> shareholders their product sucks and they are in
> the business of fooling their customers with
> marketing. That's just bullshit "Your
> Retardedness" made up because he knows nothing.
> If you really think a $700 is just like a $70
> shirt with a luxury label sown on it, you really
> are retarded. Here are the differences:
>
> 1. That $700 shirt is made by a white person in
> Italy or France with a living wage, not in some
> Bangladeshi factory about to collapse. Look
> carefully at your shirt and you'll probably find
> some Bangladeshi blood splatter on it.
>
> 2. The fabric is Egyptian or Sea Island cotton (or
> something even higher) made exclusively for them
> at their own mill or affiliate mill. It's a cost
> no object fabric pattern. Some like Riva cotton
> are made on a silk loom for the highest thread
> count possible.
>
> 3. The amount of hand stitching is very high. 70%
> of the shirt never ever touches a sowing machine.
> The buttons are sown on by hand one by one. It's
> called a crow's foot stitch. No machine can do
> it.
>
> 4. The fit is better because the Europeans use
> smaller size increments and if you go bespoke, the
> fit is perfect.
>
> 5. The comfort level of a good $700 vs $70. This
> you have to experience it for yourself after a
> long day at work. There is a difference. But
> since you are big, fat & stupid and talk bullshit
> about things you know nothing about, I doubt you
> ever will.
>
> Yeah, keep thinking a $700 shirt you can't afford
> is exactly the same as your POS clothing and it's
> all marketing even though you never ever took a
> marketing class or know anything about marketing
> except some bullshit you read in BusinessWeek.
Who gives a flying rat's ass about any of this? Your diatribe about marketing is ridiculous bullshit to cover up the fact that you spend an insane amount of money on a fucking SHIRT! What is wrong with you? You are a 20-something who feels 'empowered' because someone equally as obnoxious as you bought the bullshit you are pedaling with your 'top ten' business school degree.
BTW, no one is buying the idea that you actually care about the living conditions of the people who make the expensive shirt you are buying. That's just a cover to justify your spending. And the people who make the expensive shirt you are buying are probably paid minimum wage, at best. They probably hate your guts.
Get a grip, fella. One day you will have more significant problems than how comfy your shirt is.
Re: Clothes that fit like Abercrombie?
Posted by:
Little Lord Fauntleroy
()
Date: May 18, 2013 10:18PM
This is hilarious...some homo trying to assuage his post-purchase dissonance (hey, another marketing phrase!) by clumsily defending his ownership of a $700 shirt...a shirt!
And you're buying this high-threadcount smock to help out the artisanal workers who wove it for you out of baby tears...priceless!
I'm laughing so much my belly rolls are heaving and I'm sweating right through my fat-man t-shirt.
And you're buying this high-threadcount smock to help out the artisanal workers who wove it for you out of baby tears...priceless!
I'm laughing so much my belly rolls are heaving and I'm sweating right through my fat-man t-shirt.
Re: Clothes that fit like Abercrombie?
Posted by:
'Marketing Retard' still > You
()
Date: May 19, 2013 12:49AM
What a moron!! Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Marketing Retard, here goes...
>
> No marketing course or marketing professor would
> dare to not respect the customer and assume he/she
> is a sucker like "Your Retardedness" is doing.
> Why Not?? Because it never works. Customers are
> not stupid
Uh huh. I guess that's why much if not most of the advertising for such things tends to consist purely of image ads which don't talk about or in many cases even clearly show the actual product. Rather, it's two hot models lounging on a cigarette boat, polo ponies, etc. lol
You're denying the obvious here - marketing works very well. As the billions of dollars devoted to it by such companies attests.
> No legitimate business would openly admit to their
> shareholders their product sucks and they are in
> the business of fooling their customers with
> marketing. That's just bullshit "Your
> Retardedness" made up because he knows nothing.
> If you really think a $700 is just like a $70
> shirt with a luxury label sown on it, you really
> are retarded. Here are the differences:
Oh really? Just as an easy example that I'm familiar with, VF Corporation is the parent company of Wrangler, Lee as well as the higher-end 7FAMK jeans (in addition to many other well known brands beyond those).
Here's what they say on the very first page of their annual report:
"This tale of two extremes—your head in the clouds and your feet firmly planted on the ground— is how VF builds billion-dollar brands. It’s a combination of creating products and telling stories that capture the authenticity that comes from truly understanding who consumers really are and the aspirations of who they want to be."
And for 7FAMK specifically:
"The world’s premier brand of premium denim lifestyle products.
The 7 For All Mankind® brand continued to embody southern California glamour with its 2011 “Affair With Flare” initiative. This 360-degree marketing program reached the brand’s core consumers with press and celebrity outreach, advertising in major fashion publications and large scale retail events. Social media efforts included a Flare Facebook® shop for e-commerce and the “Denim Fit Forum,” a weekly live chat with the brand’s designers."
Lots of emphasis on the product itself huh? lol
I'm not going to go through a bunch of long cut and pastes here to prove the obvious but if you really want you can go through their as well as other's reports to see that they are focused almost entirely on branding as the primary means to distinguish their products and various product lines, lower- versus higher-end, "imagewear" as they call it, etc. in order to target various buyers and price points. Most of their stuff is all made in the same factories in various locations. There may well be some differences in design and materials in particular cases but that's not what constitutes the vast majority of the price differences between them. It's mostly all pure marketing.
>
> 1. That $700 shirt is made by a white person in
> Italy or France with a living wage, not in some
> Bangladeshi factory about to collapse. Look
> carefully at your shirt and you'll probably find
> some Bangladeshi blood splatter on it.
> ...
I guess you must have missed the articles about how many of the European producers were having things made in Asia and then doing small finish work like having buttons sewn on locally so that they could label things as "Handcrafted in Italy."
Then when they started to get heat for that, they started moving the Asian workers to Italy where they lived in or in ghettos around the factories and work for nothing.
Now, Asian investors have simply bought out and/or moved the entire factory, workers and all, to act as the back-on production facilities for others and have pushed out most of the rest. Next step is to take financial interests in the names which has been done to some degree as well.
> 4. The fit is better because the Europeans use
> smaller size increments and if you go bespoke, the
> fit is perfect.
When a guy asks about finding something similar to A&F, I'm assuming that we're not talking about bespoke suits and hand-tailored clothing but rather higher-end, larger-production consumer products that people might purchase at a mall like Tysons. Completely different deals. Yes, obviously there are differences between the former and the latter. If it's worth it to you, then go for it. But even in that case the majority of the difference in cost is not around materials, etc., although they may well be better, it's in the personal tailoring and attention, small-volume production time and cost, and other such aspects.
> Yeah, keep thinking a $700 shirt you can't afford
> is exactly the same as your POS clothing and it's
> all marketing even though you never ever took a
> marketing class or know anything about marketing
> except some bullshit you read in BusinessWeek.
Keep thinking that you're smarter than you appear to be.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Marketing Retard, here goes...
>
> No marketing course or marketing professor would
> dare to not respect the customer and assume he/she
> is a sucker like "Your Retardedness" is doing.
> Why Not?? Because it never works. Customers are
> not stupid
Uh huh. I guess that's why much if not most of the advertising for such things tends to consist purely of image ads which don't talk about or in many cases even clearly show the actual product. Rather, it's two hot models lounging on a cigarette boat, polo ponies, etc. lol
You're denying the obvious here - marketing works very well. As the billions of dollars devoted to it by such companies attests.
> No legitimate business would openly admit to their
> shareholders their product sucks and they are in
> the business of fooling their customers with
> marketing. That's just bullshit "Your
> Retardedness" made up because he knows nothing.
> If you really think a $700 is just like a $70
> shirt with a luxury label sown on it, you really
> are retarded. Here are the differences:
Oh really? Just as an easy example that I'm familiar with, VF Corporation is the parent company of Wrangler, Lee as well as the higher-end 7FAMK jeans (in addition to many other well known brands beyond those).
Here's what they say on the very first page of their annual report:
"This tale of two extremes—your head in the clouds and your feet firmly planted on the ground— is how VF builds billion-dollar brands. It’s a combination of creating products and telling stories that capture the authenticity that comes from truly understanding who consumers really are and the aspirations of who they want to be."
And for 7FAMK specifically:
"The world’s premier brand of premium denim lifestyle products.
The 7 For All Mankind® brand continued to embody southern California glamour with its 2011 “Affair With Flare” initiative. This 360-degree marketing program reached the brand’s core consumers with press and celebrity outreach, advertising in major fashion publications and large scale retail events. Social media efforts included a Flare Facebook® shop for e-commerce and the “Denim Fit Forum,” a weekly live chat with the brand’s designers."
Lots of emphasis on the product itself huh? lol
I'm not going to go through a bunch of long cut and pastes here to prove the obvious but if you really want you can go through their as well as other's reports to see that they are focused almost entirely on branding as the primary means to distinguish their products and various product lines, lower- versus higher-end, "imagewear" as they call it, etc. in order to target various buyers and price points. Most of their stuff is all made in the same factories in various locations. There may well be some differences in design and materials in particular cases but that's not what constitutes the vast majority of the price differences between them. It's mostly all pure marketing.
>
> 1. That $700 shirt is made by a white person in
> Italy or France with a living wage, not in some
> Bangladeshi factory about to collapse. Look
> carefully at your shirt and you'll probably find
> some Bangladeshi blood splatter on it.
> ...
I guess you must have missed the articles about how many of the European producers were having things made in Asia and then doing small finish work like having buttons sewn on locally so that they could label things as "Handcrafted in Italy."
Then when they started to get heat for that, they started moving the Asian workers to Italy where they lived in or in ghettos around the factories and work for nothing.
Now, Asian investors have simply bought out and/or moved the entire factory, workers and all, to act as the back-on production facilities for others and have pushed out most of the rest. Next step is to take financial interests in the names which has been done to some degree as well.
> 4. The fit is better because the Europeans use
> smaller size increments and if you go bespoke, the
> fit is perfect.
When a guy asks about finding something similar to A&F, I'm assuming that we're not talking about bespoke suits and hand-tailored clothing but rather higher-end, larger-production consumer products that people might purchase at a mall like Tysons. Completely different deals. Yes, obviously there are differences between the former and the latter. If it's worth it to you, then go for it. But even in that case the majority of the difference in cost is not around materials, etc., although they may well be better, it's in the personal tailoring and attention, small-volume production time and cost, and other such aspects.
> Yeah, keep thinking a $700 shirt you can't afford
> is exactly the same as your POS clothing and it's
> all marketing even though you never ever took a
> marketing class or know anything about marketing
> except some bullshit you read in BusinessWeek.
Keep thinking that you're smarter than you appear to be.
Re: Clothes that fit like Abercrombie?
Posted by:
dis guys
()
Date: May 19, 2013 04:32AM
GordonBlvd Wrote:
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1dfEf1qOt4
>
> LoLz...
eli
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1dfEf1qOt4
>
> LoLz...
eli
Re: Clothes that fit like Abercrombie?
Posted by:
GordonBlvd
()
Date: May 19, 2013 04:35AM
dis guys Wrote:
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> GordonBlvd Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1dfEf1qOt4
> >
> > LoLz...
>
>
> eli
LoLz.... yr buddy Eli don't like girls who wear A&F.... LoLz... he likes boys... LoLz....
-------------------------------------------------------
> GordonBlvd Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1dfEf1qOt4
> >
> > LoLz...
>
>
> eli
LoLz.... yr buddy Eli don't like girls who wear A&F.... LoLz... he likes boys... LoLz....
Re: Clothes that fit like Abercrombie?
Posted by:
rnqouegadfnagka
()
Date: May 19, 2013 04:44AM
For fucks sake, a bunch of marketing wankers talking about A&F
This has got to be the stupidest thread, evah !
This has got to be the stupidest thread, evah !
Re: Clothes that fit like Abercrombie?
Posted by:
Old School Clothes Fool
()
Date: May 19, 2013 09:26PM
Do you wear, ahem, expensive jeans to go with that $700 shirt?
Re: Clothes that fit like Abercrombie?
Posted by:
shirts
()
Date: May 19, 2013 10:13PM
This is absolutely stupid. Anyone paying $700 for a pre-made "off the rack" brand name shirt is getting ripped off. I have a lot of muscle mass around my arms and shoulders and store-bought shirts do not fit well. I can get custom-made shirts of good quality Egyptian cotton for MUCH less than $700.
A custom-made shirt or even a made-to-measure shirt will fit most people better than any pre-made shirt, regardless of the "brand".
A custom-made shirt or even a made-to-measure shirt will fit most people better than any pre-made shirt, regardless of the "brand".
Re: Clothes that fit like Abercrombie?
Posted by:
alvarezje
()
Date: May 20, 2013 10:21AM
this has a nice snug fit for ya, OP.
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Re: Clothes that fit like Abercrombie?
Posted by:
bespoke
()
Date: May 20, 2013 08:25PM
shirts Wrote:
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> This is absolutely stupid. Anyone paying $700 for
> a pre-made "off the rack" brand name shirt is
> getting ripped off. I have a lot of muscle mass
> around my arms and shoulders and store-bought
> shirts do not fit well. I can get custom-made
> shirts of good quality Egyptian cotton for MUCH
> less than $700.
>
> A custom-made shirt or even a made-to-measure
> shirt will fit most people better than any
> pre-made shirt, regardless of the "brand".
I always wondered why anyone would pay $$$ for a "brand name" when it would cost less money to get custom made clothing with a better fit and usually better quality.
-------------------------------------------------------
> This is absolutely stupid. Anyone paying $700 for
> a pre-made "off the rack" brand name shirt is
> getting ripped off. I have a lot of muscle mass
> around my arms and shoulders and store-bought
> shirts do not fit well. I can get custom-made
> shirts of good quality Egyptian cotton for MUCH
> less than $700.
>
> A custom-made shirt or even a made-to-measure
> shirt will fit most people better than any
> pre-made shirt, regardless of the "brand".
I always wondered why anyone would pay $$$ for a "brand name" when it would cost less money to get custom made clothing with a better fit and usually better quality.
Re: Clothes that fit like Abercrombie?
Posted by:
Sharp Dressed Man
()
Date: May 20, 2013 09:50PM
Expensive jeans...I get it...
Re: Clothes that fit like Abercrombie?
Posted by:
Go on there
()
Date: May 20, 2013 09:54PM
Old Navy always has great deals for less than what you would pay at other stores that cost more than Old Navy.
Re: Clothes that fit like Abercrombie?
Posted by:
Tight fitter
()
Date: May 21, 2013 06:25AM
Try a zentai suit. They fit great and will look good on your frame.
Re: Clothes that fit like Abercrombie?
Posted by:
Wunderin
()
Date: May 21, 2013 09:36PM
So what's the benefit of having a shirt made on an 18th century silk loom? Does it work better than a loom made today? Shouldn't you pay less if they are using old equipment?
Re: Clothes that fit like Abercrombie?
Posted by:
Frank7788
()
Date: August 10, 2019 09:12AM
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