Last night I had chest pains so my partner drove me to the hospital emergency room. As I waited and waited, I noticed that people who came in after me were being treated while I sat there, in pain. I complained and was told that those patients presented with conditions which were more serious than mine. I later found out that 2 of these patients were involved in a drug deal gone bad and had been shot. They didn’t have health insurance and lived in public housing, collecting welfare.

These two drug addict leeches were being treated while I had to wait. That really sucks.

how did you get SO much detail about those two?

Well, my partner, a fellow poster here at FU, is a health care professional and was able to get the info.

Actually, it was no big surprise. When the first gun shot ‘victim’ came in, we heard one nurse say to another.... druggies shooting druggies? Is this a monday night? It feels like a friday or saturday.”

This really sucks. My taxes were paying for some shit to be treated for something self inflicted, while I and others, waited.

Does Vince = Expensive Jeans?

Vince(2) Wrote:
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> Well, my partner, a fellow poster here at FU, is a
> health care professional and was able to get the
> info.
>
> Actually, it was no big surprise. When the first
> gun shot ‘victim’ came in, we heard one nurse say
> to another.... druggies shooting druggies? Is this
> a monday night? It feels like a friday or
> saturday.”
>
> This really sucks. My taxes were paying for some
> shit to be treated for something self inflicted,
> while I and others, waited.


Which hospital? I know some health care professionals too. Maybe they
could help solve the problem for others in the future.

Eastsider:

Well, since you asked, yes I do wear very expensive jeans. My partner wears really nice jeans, too. And, for all you know-it-alls out there, WashingToneLocian is NOT my lover. I barely know him.

You know Vince, you keep saying "partner".. we all know what kinds of sick, perverted people repeatedly refer to their "partners", right?
















Yes, that's right... LAWYERS.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/01/2010 05:22AM by inkahootz.

why is it always have to come down to someone working at mcdonalds. You and duh should get along just fine as it seems you both are passionate about fast food. Also, inkahootz didnt you just get ouf of jail? Oh i know you are just mad they got you working at the frialator.

Vince(2) Wrote:
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> Well, my partner, a fellow poster here at FU, is a
> health care professional and was able to get the
> info.
>
> Actually, it was no big surprise. When the first
> gun shot ‘victim’ came in, we heard one nurse say
> to another.... druggies shooting druggies? Is this
> a monday night? It feels like a friday or
> saturday.”
>
> This really sucks. My taxes were paying for some
> shit to be treated for something self inflicted,
> while I and others, waited.


Interesting how health care professionals are now passing out what one would think be a rather PRIVATE information.

So, what hospital?

It has to be either Arlington or Alexandria...

Yup, ole Vince is a cock gobbler......

496 Wrote:
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> Yup, ole Vince is a cock gobbler......


LOL

whyohwhy Wrote:
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> why is it always have to come down to someone
> working at mcdonalds. You and duh should get along
> just fine as it seems you both are passionate
> about fast food. Also, inkahootz didnt you just
> get ouf of jail? Oh i know you are just mad they
> got you working at the frialator.


WTF is a "frialator"? ( since I supposedly work one) Is that some gay torture device you use on EJ, Vince...I mean whyohwhy?

Vince(2) Wrote:
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> Last night I had chest pains so my partner drove
> me to the hospital emergency room. As I waited and
> waited, I noticed that people who came in after me
> were being treated while I sat there, in pain. I
> complained and was told that those patients
> presented with conditions which were more serious
> than mine. I later found out that 2 of these
> patients were involved in a drug deal gone bad and
> had been shot. They didn’t have health insurance
> and lived in public housing, collecting welfare.
>
> These two drug addict leeches were being treated
> while I had to wait. That really sucks.


So obviously your so called "chest pains" were not that serious if you are back from the hospital and are able to post on here about it. A gunshot wound is obviously more serious than your chest pains which were probably evaluated when you checked in. I don't think that you are telling us the entire story.

What really happened is that Ole Vince got his sphincter stretched by his "partner". And yes, it was painful.

FWIW, this is a troll posted by someone imitating Vince. They obviously are not smart enough to present their own argument, so they resort to abuse tactics like making bogus posts under a similar forum name. Anyone who believes that chest pains are more serious than a gunshot wound has left the path of reason. The person who posted this doesn't realize that by writing such a misleading and fallacious story, he is only making his already dumb viewpoint even stupider than it really is.

WashingToneLocian has several "partners" BUTT,,, whos counting.

Vince (2)

Please avoid registering a name which obviously causes confusion regarding your “identity” and, I might add, your legitimacy.

As you are probably aware, Fairfax Underground already has a registered poster named “Vince (1)”.

Would you please consider choosing a more unique user name.

Thank you and have a wonderful day! :)

Signed,

The Moderator

Hey, Vince, is your partner's name Larry?

Observer: yeah, well, my chest pains turned out to be a panic attack. I had just finished reading a post by Vince(1) and I thought the cops were going to throw me in jail because I'm black.

Bubba: no, my lover is not named Larry, although, that is a very nice name.

Moderator:
So, maybe I was mimicking that freakin idiot, Vince(1), but I wouldn't have been rushing off to the hospital, in the first place, had it not been for his fear mongering. I'm now taking valium and I'm having nightmares of being rounded up and put in a concentration camp. That guy has done some permanent damage to me. So, I thought the forum needed a new Vince.

But, I'll try to find another name. Would Vincent be ok? or how about Vinny?

Actually it was an Indian woman adorned with jewelry who claims her marriage from India is not recognized in America, has a rich husband and yet, has a MEDICAID card!!

Her emergency: Little Gupta had a temperature of 99 degrees!


Or it may have been the little 13 YEAR OLD LATIN PRINCESS WHO FOUND OUT SHE WAS PREGNANT.

OR THEY FAKED THE GUN WOUNDS HOPING TO GET QUICKER SERVICE.

Wow, Dr. Who. It can't be that bad or can it?

TRUE STORY - ER LAST WEEK AT INOVA


4 HISPANICS RUSH IN. ONE HAS BLOOD ON IS SHIRT (HE NEEDS SERVICES)

NO INSURANCE, NOTHING.

THEY START ADMINISTERING CPR ON HIM AND STATE HE WAS SHOT.

GUESS WHAT ??

HE WAS NOT SHOT. HE WAS DRUNK AND FELL DOWN.

HIS AMIGOS INDICATED THAT THEY WANTED HIM TO GET QUICKER SERVICE SO THEY COULD GO BACK OUT !!!!!


THIS COUNTY IS SCREWED AND IDIOTS LIBERALS SUCH AS ON THESE BOARDS ARE TO BLAME FOR STANDING AND WATCHING IT>

YOU ALL ARE CLUELESS AND NAIVE.

DR WHO Wrote:
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> THIS COUNTY IS SCREWED AND IDIOTS LIBERALS SUCH AS
> ON THESE BOARDS ARE TO BLAME FOR STANDING AND
> WATCHING IT>
>
> YOU ALL ARE CLUELESS AND NAIVE.


How right you are... say, why doesn't the county hire YOU to stand in the emergency room and use your omniscience to make immediate decisions on who needs medical attention the most while at the same time just looking at someone and determining if they are in the country illegally. It should be easy, as there aren't any swarthy-looking Americans who speak Spanish. Even if they were legal, unless you are a clueless liberal you would be able to, you know, tell.

Then you can tell the bleeding person "Hello, I am God for you today. I have decided based on how you look that though gravely wounded you should not be helped. Now have your friends carry you outside to dump you so they can be on their way."

True story…. Fairfax Hospital….

My extremely ill 7 year old was admitted for treatment of rare potentially fatal disease. My child shared a room with a 3 year old Hispanic who we later determined to be from a family of illegal aliens.

The Hispanic child received excellent care …as did my child. All sorts of people representing county services visited the room for this other child. People were falling all over themselves to “help” the family. Services were being offered for after the child would be discharged. Don’t get me wrong, I want all children to be treated….but, I don’t want an illegal to get better treatment than us…..that’s all.

My child was in the hospital for 7 days…..and each day, my insurance company demanded additional justification from DR’s for the continued stay. Finally, even thought the DR’s wanted a longer stay, my Insurance company made the challenge too much for Docs. We all know, there is a certain amount of subjectivity to this….and the Doc as well as the Ins company knew, Mom and Dad would be available to attend to our still sick child in a home environment….

The illegal family went through no hoops for continued care. There seemed to be no oversight of the “Medicaid” case…no one questioned the Docs about the child’s stay……and my child was sicker. At discharge, the other child remained.

I’m not really sure if billing is under the Medicaid plan for illegals….that’s just a guess. Maybe its some other taxpayer supported plan.

HOW did you KNOW that they were illegally in the country?

Did you ask for their H2B Visa? Or their Green Card?

Harry Beaver Wrote:
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> HOW did you KNOW that they were illegally in the
> country?
>
> Did you ask for their H2B Visa? Or their Green
> Card?


No need... like I said, it's easy for non-liberals to "spot" illegals. If they don't speak English very well and have darker skin or "look" illegal, then they probably are. From that you may then justifiably determine, as Medicaid? and DR WHO have, if someone is factually illegal.

Medicaid? Wrote:
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> True story…. Fairfax Hospital….
>
> My extremely ill 7 year old was admitted for
> treatment of rare potentially fatal disease. My
> child shared a room with a 3 year old Hispanic who
> we later determined to be from a family of illegal
> aliens.
>

If the kid is 3, odds are he was born in the US and is, in fact, a citizen.

> The Hispanic child received excellent care …as did
> my child. All sorts of people representing county
> services visited the room for this other child.
> People were falling all over themselves to “help”
> the family. Services were being offered for after
> the child would be discharged. Don’t get me
> wrong, I want all children to be treated….but, I
> don’t want an illegal to get better treatment than
> us…..that’s all.
>

He probably got the services because his family is poor and yours isn't. I'm sure if it were a poor white kid he would be getting social services as well.

> My child was in the hospital for 7 days…..and each
> day, my insurance company demanded additional
> justification from DR’s for the continued stay.
> Finally, even thought the DR’s wanted a longer
> stay, my Insurance company made the challenge too
> much for Docs. We all know, there is a certain
> amount of subjectivity to this….and the Doc as
> well as the Ins company knew, Mom and Dad would be
> available to attend to our still sick child in a
> home environment….
>

So you are blaming illegal immigrants for your asshole insurance company? If you stopped voting Republican, maybe something would be done about your asshole insurance company.

> The illegal family went through no hoops for
> continued care. There seemed to be no oversight
> of the “Medicaid” case…no one questioned the Docs
> about the child’s stay……and my child was sicker.
> At discharge, the other child remained.
>

You have no idea what hoops the family did or didn't go through. Were you on the calls with the Medicaid folks?

> I’m not really sure if billing is under the
> Medicaid plan for illegals….that’s just a guess.
> Maybe its some other taxpayer supported plan.

It probably fell under Emergency Medicaid, which is a Federal program. The hospital fills out the paperwork to get reimbursed.

Let me tell you my true story. I had to see a doctor for what I believed was cancer (turned out it wasn't). While in the waiting room, a Hispanic man came in. He had been urinating blood and had a lump in his stomach and was worried because he had been losing so much weight. The nurse asked if he had insurance. He said "no." He was directed to go to the free clinic down the street. Odds are the guy is dead from cancer because he had no insurance. Medicaid covers some things, but for severe cases these folks are still SOL without decent insurance.

Washingtonlooniebin: and you other liberals….

As I said, both children….one legal…one illegal, received excellent health care from Fairfax Hospital. And, I would always support taking care of all children…including poor illegal ones.

My issue was more regarding the apparent absence of oversight of our tax dollars being utilized for the “illegal” child as compared to the obvious strict oversight by my insurance company. So, now, you want to say, the issue is with my bad insurance company rather than the social services we so easily hand out…whatever…that’s apples and oranges.

You can believe what you want….the kid was illegal, as was the family, and after spending 7 days living at the hospital living with them, I feel completely confident in my representations.

Washingtonlooniebin…..wouldn’t you prefer our tax dollars go to inner city kids… In other words, how about we take care of our own first…..? Do you have a problem with that?

As Fairfax County continues to appear to be “ Illegal friendly”, and the population surges, the strain on our resources will become more evident and drastic. Services to the poor, born here and legally here, will lessen.

You do see that, right?

Oh, and by the way, glad you didn’t have cancer.

You just dont get it, do you.

Illegals fuel this economy, since day 1 of this country.

If Jose or Maria didnt work at Walmart or Giant for $6 an hour, noone else would.
Cause Americans dont want those jobs, not at $6 an hour at least.
Thats why government supports them, and will support them in the future.

Who is gonna make your double latte at starbucks at 7 am?

Actually, you should have seen what suburbs of Paris look like.
Fairfax County is a fucking paradise compared what immigrants could turn areas into.

So basicly, we are gonna sit here and watch our tax dollars go to whatever gov. wants it to go to.

Thats right. Enjoy the ride.

.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/02/2012 09:42AM by Alias.

"A hospital must provide "stabilizing care" for a patient with an emergency medical condition. The hospital must screen for the emergency and provide the care without inquiring about your ability to pay."

This is called EMTALA, for the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act.

It has been described as a textbook example of an unfunded mandate. For the slow ones in the audience, that means the Federal Government is not reimbursing hospitals for their expenses incurred due to this law.

.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 03/02/2012 09:44AM by Alias.

Harry Beaver Wrote:
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> You just dont get it, do you. Illegals fuel this economy, since day 1 of this
> country.

What are you talking about? Since day 1??? Immigrants yes…Illegals no.



> If Jose or Maria didnt work at Walmart or Giant
> for $6 an hour, noone else would.
> Cause Americans dont want those jobs, not at $6 an
> hour at least.
> Thats why government supports them, and will
> support them in the future.

You’re kidding, right? I mean…are you paying taxes? The Gov't equals our tax money! Are you a kid? Both companies do hire plenty of immigrants…ones here legally. Big diff. And, I have a lot of respect for those who are struggling to learn English as they do some of these low paying jobs. They are trying hard to achieve the American Dream….legally. As did most of our ancestors


> Who is gonna make your double latte at starbucks
> at 7 am?

I don’t drink them….too much money…but, guess you do! You see...I'm SAVING for my children"s future education!!


> Actually, you should have seen what suburbs of
> Paris look like. Fairfax County is a fucking paradise compared what
> immigrants could turn areas into.

So…I should skip Paris?
What …does it look like parts of LA?

Illegals have trashed part of California and its happening here. We cannot financially sustain the current influx of illegals without taking away or eliminating other bonafide programs.



> So basicly, we are gonna sit here and watch our
> tax dollars go to whatever gov. wants it to go
> to. Thats right. Enjoy the ride.

No, we can bitch about it and vote…but, don‘t really want to go the washingtonlooniebin way of talking politics. To me, illegals should not be a political issue….no party should approve of people trespassing into our country…simple to me. I mean…I wouldn’t let someone walk onto my yard, set up a tent and begin housekeeping.! That’s what we’re doing.

I am not gonna argue with you.

IMHO, its too late to vote and bitch.

But whatever floats your boat, heh.

Medicaid? Wrote:
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> Washingtonlooniebin: and you other liberals….
>

First, I'm not a liberal.

> As I said, both children….one legal…one illegal,
> received excellent health care from Fairfax
> Hospital. And, I would always support taking care
> of all children…including poor illegal ones.
>

You don't know if the 3 year old is illegal. If he was born in the U.S., by law he is a U.S. citizen. Given that he was 3, I would say chances are pretty good he was born here.

> My issue was more regarding the apparent absence
> of oversight of our tax dollars being utilized for
> the “illegal” child as compared to the obvious
> strict oversight by my insurance company.

Your insurance company is cheap, not strict.

So,
> now, you want to say, the issue is with my bad
> insurance company rather than the social services
> we so easily hand out…whatever…that’s apples and
> oranges.
>
> You can believe what you want….the kid was
> illegal, as was the family, and after spending 7
> days living at the hospital living with them, I
> feel completely confident in my representations.
>

As I said, the family may be illegal, but it doesn't mean the kid is. If the kid was born here, you are bitching about a poor American kid, not an illegal.

> Washingtonlooniebin…..wouldn’t you prefer our tax
> dollars go to inner city kids… In other words,
> how about we take care of our own first…..? Do you
> have a problem with that?
>

As I mentioned previously, the kid could technically be the poor inner city kid you are talking about if he was born here.

> As Fairfax County continues to appear to be “
> Illegal friendly”, and the population surges, the
> strain on our resources will become more evident
> and drastic. Services to the poor, born here and
> legally here, will lessen.
>

If the family was using Medicaid or Emergency Medicaid, the funds didn't necessarily come from Fairfax County.

> You do see that, right?
>

Nope.

> Oh, and by the way, glad you didn’t have cancer.


Thanks. That was nice of you.

Alias Wrote:
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> WashingToneLocian:
>
> I don't believe your story, because:
>
> #1. You are a liberal and liberals are notorious
> liars.

I'm not a liberal.

> #2 If the hospital did what you claim, it would
> be violating federal law.

It was a specialist and the patient didn't have a referral. If there is a free clinic available in the community and a specialist referred the patient to a free clinic, it is not a violation of the law.

>
>
> Federal law entitles you to three things:
> screening, emergency care and appropriate
> transfers.
>

As I said, it was a specialist.

> A hospital must provide "stabilizing care" for a
> patient with an emergency medical condition. The
> hospital must screen for the emergency and provide
> the care without inquiring about your ability to
> pay.

It was not an emergency condition.

>
> Hospitals cannot transfer patients until their
> condition has been stabilized. There are a couple
> of exceptions: if a patient requests to be
> transferred and is fully informed of the
> consequences of being moved, or if a physician
> feels that the medical benefits exceed the risk of
> the transfer.
>

It wasn't a hospital, it was a specialist.

> If a hospital is not equipped to deal with a
> trauma case, the emergency room physician may
> transfer the patient to a hospital that has a
> trauma center. Patients themselves sometimes will
> want to go to another hospital, either because
> they prefer that hospital or because their doctor
> is there. If you ask to be transferred to another
> hospital before your condition is stable, you'll
> most likely have to sign a form to show you've
> given your informed consent.

The specialist referred the patient to a free clinic. Not sure what else you want from me. It is the truth.

Bottom line, did your kid get the treatment needed?

If she did, thank god, and move on.

Spend some time with him/her, and dont waste your time on this forum.

.... Wrote:
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> "A hospital must provide "stabilizing care" for a
> patient with an emergency medical condition. The
> hospital must screen for the emergency and provide
> the care without inquiring about your ability to
> pay."
>
> This is called EMTALA, for the Emergency Medical
> Treatment and Active Labor Act.
>
> It has been described as a textbook example of an
> unfunded mandate. For the slow ones in the
> audience, that means the Federal Government is not
> reimbursing hospitals for their expenses incurred
> due to this law.


Actually Emergency Medicaid is a federal program that reimburses hospitals for treating illegal immigrants.

Alias Wrote:
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> by Dr. Madeleine Cosman, PhD, ESQ
> Dr. Cosman is a medical lawyer located in
> California
>

According to her obituary, Dr. Cosman's medical background involved medieval medicine. Apparently she was also involved in Renaissance Festivals.

Quite the credible author, there.

http://www.alipac.us/article-print-1112.html

WashingToneLocian Wrote:
>>> Quite the credible author, there.
> http://www.alipac.us/article-print-1112.html



LOL

pWn3D



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/13/2008 02:43PM by TheMeeper.

From Doctor (literary, not medical) Cosman's obituary...

"Ms. Cosman took her work seriously. She could sing madrigals, play the lute and eat with her fingers off a trencher in the proper medieval style. Her house in suburban New Jersey was appointed with ornately carved period furniture. Arms and armor lay about, the walls were hung with Flemish tapestries, and the cellar was stocked with mead."

>>play the lute

lmao-- this argument is over...



the lute!

WashingToneLocian Wrote:
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> From Doctor (literary, not medical) Cosman's
> obituary...
>
> "Ms. Cosman took her work seriously. She could
> sing madrigals, play the lute and eat with her
> fingers off a trencher in the proper medieval
> style. Her house in suburban New Jersey was
> appointed with ornately carved period furniture.
> Arms and armor lay about, the walls were hung with
> Flemish tapestries, and the cellar was stocked
> with mead."


What a freak! Her cellar was stocked with Meade Skelton?

.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 03/02/2012 09:46AM by Alias.

I heard this Cosman expert could play a really mean reed-flute and had totally L337 weaving skills on the loom.

.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 03/02/2012 09:48AM by Alias.

Just on WTOP - an illegal alien has the right to sue for treatment of cancer.


Ok, You DEMS have controlled congress for quite sometime. what are you liberals going to do?

You have had time.

QUIT HOLDING HEARINGS FOR ATHLETES AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS NONSENSE.

Alias Wrote:
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> WashingToneLocian,
>
> What an ass you are. Are you really this stupid?
> Typical liberal, you forgot to mention the
> following about the late Dr. Cosman.
>

I'm an ass because her official obituary states these things?

> Dr. Cosman wrote the book: Who Owns Your Body?:
> Doctors and Patients Behind Bars. She wrote the
> ABCs of the Clinton Medical World for Congress in
> 1993.

No. The "ABCs of the Clinton Medical World" was a children's book.

She lectured worldwide on medical law and
> medical policy and testified before Congress on
> medical law issues.

“She never practiced law,” her daughter said

She spoken in Washington for
> the Cato Institute and The Galen Institute. One of
> her 15 published books was nominated for the
> Pulitzer Prize and National Book Award.
>

One of Dr. Cosman's first books, “Fabulous Feasts: Medieval Cookery and Ceremony,” published in l976, was nominated for a Pulitzer Prize and the National Book Award.


> Dr. Cosman promoted free-market, patient-centered
> medicine, and Health Savings Accounts.

HSA are a fraud. You should get one and see how well they work.
>
> Her J.D. was from New York's Cardozo School of
> Law, Ph.D. from Columbia University, M.A. from
> Hunter College, and B.A. from Barnard College.

The Ph.D. and B.A. were in literature, not medicine. Her expertise on medicine was based on her Medieval studies. I think it is important to point this out.

She
> was a member of the New York State Bar,

So is Eliot Spitzer.

New Jersey
> Bar, American Bar Association's Health Law
> Section, and American Inns of Court. Madeleine was
> Professor Emerita of City College of City
> University of New York and a Life Fellow of the
> New York Academy of Medicine.

Yeah. For the work she did in Medieval Medicine studies. You want someone to lecture about leaching, she was your person.

Face it. This woman was a fraud. Lou Dobbs even called her "a whack job" for misrepresenting her credentials to his producers. She is on record as saying all Mexican men rape children and nuns. She was a nutcase.

Alias Wrote:
>> Meeper, Are you retarded?

I'm not the one who cited some rennaisance-fair kook as the main source of facts for my argument.

And you?

MEEPER HAS WAY TOO MUCH TIME ON HIS HANDS.

Attachments:

Vince(2) Wrote:
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> Observer: yeah, well, my chest pains turned out to
> be a panic attack. I had just finished reading a
> post by Vince(1) and I thought the cops were going
> to throw me in jail because I'm black.
>
> Bubba: no, my lover is not named Larry, although,
> that is a very nice name.
>
> Moderator:
> So, maybe I was mimicking that freakin idiot,
> Vince(1), but I wouldn't have been rushing off to
> the hospital, in the first place, had it not been
> for his fear mongering. I'm now taking valium and
> I'm having nightmares of being rounded up and put
> in a concentration camp. That guy has done some
> permanent damage to me. So, I thought the forum
> needed a new Vince.
>
> But, I'll try to find another name. Would Vincent
> be ok? or how about Vinny?


lol...what a joke...me a fearmongerer! What I have found out is that when most people are asked to think beyond their own existense it does cause them discomfort...too bad....think!

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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 03/02/2012 09:47AM by Alias.

Alias Wrote:
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> WashingToneLocian,
>
> Yes, you are an ass. I didn't say that she was an
> M.D. So, don't lie. But, here is where you sound
> like an even bigger ass.
>
> RE: the fact that she was a member of the New York
> State Bar you have this to say:
>
> "So is Eliot Spitzer." What are you, two years
> old.
>
> RE: the fact that she was a member of the New
> Jersey Bar, American Bar
> Association Health Law Section, Professor Emerita
> of City College of City
> University of New York and a Life Fellow of the
> New York Academy of Medicine, you
> come out with this idiotic statement:
>
> "Yeah. For the work she did in Medieval Medicine
> studies."
>
> You better tell that to the New Jersey Bar.
>
> You don't like her message: that illegals are a
> drain on our society. So, you try to denigrate the
> messenger.
>
> Or, maybe you don't like the fact that she was a
> woman.
>
> Or, could it be that you don't like the fact that
> she was a Jew.
>
> You'd appear less of an imbecile if you debated
> the issues she wrote about instead of attacking
> her personally.


I'm pointing out that she isn't qualified to make the argument in the first place. The woman is a nut. Just because she has a doctorate (in literature) and has passed the bar (but apparently never actually practiced) doesn't make her qualified to deal with the implications of illegal immigration on the health care system.

As for her arguments, she conveniently avoided bringing up the fact that Emergency Medicaid reimburses hospitals for illegal immigrants who use the ER. She also omitted other factors that contribute to hospitals shutting down, namely Medicare payments that are insufficient to cover the costs of elderly patients who use hospitals; the shortage of qualified doctors, pharmacists and nurses due to low reimbursement associated with managed care; and the use of hospitals by uninsured AMERICANS who do not pay for their treatment.

It's called scape-goating.

As far as her being a Jewish woman, I really don't know what that would have to do with anything. The fact that you brought that up makes me think that you have problems with Jewish women and are projecting your own bias onto me because it certainly never crossed my mind.

This Alias sounds like an angry alcoholic.

I saw Alias attack a homeless man.
He should be locked up.

I saw Alias go berserk in a grocery store... he didn't like the music they were playing.

Alias is a woman and she's into some weird shit.

Believe me when I tell you this... Alias is not normal.

people should start making these illegals feel right at home ,death sqads would be a nice start to the new year ,it's obvious the govt is going to continue to coddle these third worlders at your expense ,that is if you work and own property.

Alias is an illegal alien from New Zealand and the mother of 3 illegitimate children. She collects welfare and operates a rolling meth lab in western Virginia.
In her spare time, she loves to dance and enjoys rummaging though old book stores and dusty antique shops.

We get it WashingTone-DEAF-Locian, you're a Douche.

WashingToneLocian wrote :

> "He probably got the services because his family is poor and yours isn't."

HE GOT THE SERVICES BECAUSE HIS SCUM SUCKING ILLEGAL
LEACH PARENTS ARE ILLEGALLY IN OUR COUNTRY AND DEMOCRATS
HAVE POLICIES IN PLACE THAT CATER TO THESE FILTH BALLS FOR VOTES.

FOR EXAMPLE BLACKS DON'T GET CUT-OFF NOTICES FOR NOT PAYING THE UTILITIES,
THEY GET PAYMENT PLAN OFFERS AND GRANT APPLICATIONS IN THE MAIL.

THANKS DEMOCRATS !

> "I'm sure if it were a poor white kid he
> would be getting social services as well."

MAYBE SO, DIFFERENCE ?

-THE LEGAL [white] KID BELONGS HERE
-LEGAL PARENTS PAID INCOME TAXES
-PARENTS ARE NOT CRIMINALS LIKE THE ILLEGAL PARENTS

LEGAL RESIDENTS SHOULD NEVER HAVE TO WAIT BEHIND
ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT CRIMINALS WHO HAVE NO RESPECT FOR OUR COUNTRY
OR IT'S LAWS AND WHO DON'T PAY TAXES FOR POLICE, FIRE, ROADS,
SCHOOLS AND GUESS WHAT -HOSPITALS !

> "So you are blaming illegal immigrants for your asshole insurance company?

NO WE ARE BLAMING ILLEGALS FOR CLOGGING UP OUR HOSPITALS RESOURCES AND FOR COMMITING TAX FRAUD.
> If you stopped voting Republican, maybe something would be done about your asshole insurance company.

WELL YOU Liberal "Government Option" DEMOCRATS TOOK CARE OF THOSE PESKY PRIVATE INSURANCE COMPANIES -YA SURE DID.

NOW WE HAVE YOUR "CHANGE" TOO BAD IT COMES WITH NO "HOPE"

> "You have no idea what hoops the family did or didn't go through.
> Were you on the calls with the Medicaid folks?"

WELL THEY SURE AS HELL DIDN'T HAVE TO GIVE UP A HUGE PORTION OF THIER EARNED INCOME TO PAY FOR *ANY* OF THE SERVICES THEY STOLE NOW DID THEY.

WashingTone-DEAF-Locian, It appears YOU WERE A DOUCHE even BEFORE YOU MADE A PERMANENT FU SCREEN NAME

HARRY BEAVER wrote :

> "If Jose or Maria didnt work at Walmart or Giant for $6 an hour, noone else would.

ARE YOU SERIOUS? BLACKS WORK AT WALMART ASSWIPE.

ALSO WHO [IN YOUR IDIOTIC OPINION] WAS WORKING THERE BEFORE THE ILLEGALS STATED SWARMING ABOUT TEN YEARS AGO?

> "Cause Americans dont want those jobs,

WITH 10% EMPLOYMENT- I BEG TO DIFFER.

> "not at $6 an hour at least.

SIX DOLLARS AN HOUR SOU DS ABOUT LIKE WHAT YOU ARE WORTH.


> "Thats why government supports them,

WHAT GOVERNMENT?
YOU LIBS ARE NOT THE "GOVERNMENT"

"and will support them in the future."

THE GUBBMINT NEVER SUPPORTED ILLEG IMMIGRATION AND HAS FEDERAL LAWS AGAINST IT ASSWIPE.

in the know Wrote:
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> Alias is a woman and she's into some weird shit.
>
> Believe me when I tell you this... Alias is not
> normal.

I'm not into weird shit and I'm normal.

Alias Wrote:
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> in the know Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Alias is a woman and she's into some weird
> shit.
> >
> > Believe me when I tell you this... Alias is
> not
> > normal.
>
> I'm not into weird shit and I'm normal.


I have no memory of posting this.
What's going on here?

Alias Wrote:
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> Alias Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > in the know Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Alias is a woman and she's into some weird
> > shit.
> > >
> > > Believe me when I tell you this... Alias is
> > not
> > > normal.
> >
> > I'm not into weird shit and I'm normal.
>
>
> I have no memory of posting this.
> What's going on here?

Definitely came from your IP.

Also, moving this to off-topic as it's an old troll topic.

- Cary

This is a GREAT thread !

Cary Wrote:
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> Alias Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Alias Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > in the know Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Alias is a woman and she's into some weird
> > > shit.
> > > >
> > > > Believe me when I tell you this... Alias
> is
> > > not
> > > > normal.
> > >
> > > I'm not into weird shit and I'm normal.
> >
> >
> > I have no memory of posting this.
> > What's going on here?
>
> Definitely came from your IP.
>
> Also, moving this to off-topic as it's an old
> troll topic.
>
> - Cary


Wow. That's scary.
It's like I have amnesia or something.
I hope I haven't done anything else that I've forgotten.

I am, GAS-O-LINE, and MATCHES !

LOL... I’ve read this thread like 3 times already and I still don’t understand what anyone is talking about.

I’m like, OMG, what?

I sure am glad y’all don’t act like this anymore. I’m into Sanity. OK?

Cary Wrote:
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> Alias Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Alias Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > in the know Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Alias is a woman and she's into some weird
> > > shit.
> > > >
> > > > Believe me when I tell you this... Alias
> is
> > > not
> > > > normal.
> > >
> > > I'm not into weird shit and I'm normal.
> >
> >
> > I have no memory of posting this.
> > What's going on here?
>
> Definitely came from your IP.
>
> Also, moving this to off-topic as it's an old
> troll topic.
>
> - Cary




bump

CAry is a really good IP tracker, but I have a concern.

In a couple of weeks, I'm heading up to the Hudson Valley to enjoy the autumn foliage.

As it turns out, the old farm house I've rented is located in a nudist colony.

If I post from there, will Cary automatically assume I'm naked.

Holy shit! This thread should get some kind of award for coming back from the dead

Priapus Wrote:
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> Holy shit! This thread should get some kind of
> award for coming back from the dead

It didn't come back on its own. It was revived by Dr. Eeshenstein.

Alias Wrote:
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> CAry is a really good IP tracker, but I have a
> concern.
>
> In a couple of weeks, I'm heading up to the Hudson
> Valley to enjoy the autumn foliage.
>
> As it turns out, the old farm house I've rented is
> located in a nudist colony.
>
> If I post from there, will Cary automatically
> assume I'm naked.

You don't sit on the furniture and lawn chairs naked , do you?
At least put a towel under there, yuck!