Any HR or recruiters can chime in?

They get laughed at first, shredded second........

Not ignored, but certainly not respected.

As an associate degree is not as respected as a baccalaureate degree, no for-profit degree is anywhere near as valuable as a degree from a traditional college.

I imagine if you are applying for an entry level IT job in DC, it may not make a huge difference, but overall I think these schools are a huge waste of money.

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Why are they laughed at? I thought they have placement programs right after you graduate?

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> Why are they laughed at? I thought they have
> placement programs right after you graduate?


Don't they guarantee a job interview or something like that?

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Does that mean my Northern Virginia University diploma wont open doors for me

Degrees from these institutions are fine. In the federal government it doesn't matter where the degree came from. In the contacting world experience and clearance trump all. A degree now adays is just another box checked. Obviously certain fields are exceptions like doctors, engineers, scientistsand any other field that requires original thought. Around here your DeVry degree will still get you 6 figures in a few years

Guaranteeing an interview is like assuring that all credit applications will be accepted at a car dealership.

I don't get why people go for these degrees if they are of regular college age. Go to NoVa and get guaranteed acceptance into any state school you want and have the credits transfer, total no-brainer.

justsayin Wrote:
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> Guaranteeing an interview is like assuring that
> all credit applications will be accepted at a car
> dealership.
>
> I don't get why people go for these degrees if
> they are of regular college age. Go to NoVa and
> get guaranteed acceptance into any state school
> you want and have the credits transfer, total
> no-brainer.


That's great in theory, but NOVA is completely hit-or-miss with horrible vs great professors. Also, let's not forget that a lot of locales don't have as many educational institutions as we do.

As Degreeslawl said too, a college degree is just another box checked these days. College degrees are unfortunately no longer anything special, and complete idiots obtain them as easily as children snatching candy on halloween.

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"And if any women or children get their legs torn off, or faces caved in, well, it's tough shit for them." -2LT. Bert Stiles, 505th, 339th (On Berlin Bombardier Mission, 1944).

justsayin Wrote:
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> I don't get why people go for these degrees if
> they are of regular college age. Go to NoVa and
> get guaranteed acceptance into any state school
> you want and have the credits transfer, total
> no-brainer.

I know one good reason - they have to work to support themselves and don't want to take on debt that can't be forgiven or discharged in bankruptcy. Going to actual classes is tough for people with a job or two.

I can see going to NVCC for in-state tuition rates and online classes. I'm doing that myself. I am unable to find online degree programs for VA colleges for the in-state tuition rates. At that point, it is either UMUC (out-of-state tuition rates) or the for-profit colleges.

UMUC sounds better to me because it is a public school with a real state in the name, but they have been advertising a lot lately. It won't surprise me if they become the next Strayer, U of Phoenix, National University or any other place that sells you degrees.

A few people at my work are going the for-profit route. They quickly state that it is a piece of cake and that the standard for work is very low. They tell me that they know they're just buying their way through it.

For those above that say it is checking a box, they're right. It helps if you're stuck where you can't get experience.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/05/2012 11:24PM by wnrsm.

Resume? Glad you are going back to shchool.

wnrsm Wrote:
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> justsayin Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> > I don't get why people go for these degrees if
> > they are of regular college age. Go to NoVa and
> > get guaranteed acceptance into any state school
> > you want and have the credits transfer, total
> > no-brainer.

> I know one good reason - they have to work to
> support themselves and don't want to take on debt
> that can't be forgiven or discharged in
> bankruptcy. Going to actual classes is tough for
> people with a job or two.

Those are indeed good reasons, but how common is that for an 18 year old living in Fairfax County? I am assuming that is the backdrop for the question because this was posted in the Fairfax forum and why I qualified my answer with college-age. And if it is only worth a check-box, then why is the quality of professors a concern?

I worked through college and took on two jobs when I graduated, and kept to a day job when going to night school for further education so I do know how that is.

I guess what I am trying to say (and I'm not knocking anyone here) is if one has decided they want a box checked, and is asking if for-profit schools are worthwhile (and in doing so showing concern that legitimacy is important), it seems that going the NoVA route with the end goal being a degree from GMU, Tech, JMU, whatever would be a worthwhile solution.

I'd like to hear the opinion of some recruiters though... for an entry-level position would you consider an associates degree from NoVA more or less valuable than a degree from DeVry, ITT, Univ of Phoenix, etc?



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> Does that mean my Northern Virginia University
> diploma wont open doors for me


It will to an S&M dungeon.

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Degreeslawl Wrote:
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> Degrees from these institutions are fine. In the
> federal government it doesn't matter where the
> degree came from. In the contacting world
> experience and clearance trump all. A degree now
> adays is just another box checked. Obviously
> certain fields are exceptions like doctors,
> engineers, scientistsand any other field that
> requires original thought. Around here your DeVry
> degree will still get you 6 figures in a few years


I've hired people in the past and have actually opted to hire people with some college education at a real school versus people who have full degrees from diploma mills.

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ThePackLeader Wrote:
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> justsayin Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Guaranteeing an interview is like assuring that
> > all credit applications will be accepted at a
> car
> > dealership.
> >
> > I don't get why people go for these degrees if
> > they are of regular college age. Go to NoVa
> and
> > get guaranteed acceptance into any state school
> > you want and have the credits transfer, total
> > no-brainer.
>
>
> That's great in theory, but NOVA is completely
> hit-or-miss with horrible vs great professors.
> Also, let's not forget that a lot of locales don't
> have as many educational institutions as we do.
>
> As Degreeslawl said too, a college degree is just
> another box checked these days. College degrees
> are unfortunately no longer anything special, and
> complete idiots obtain them as easily as children
> snatching candy on halloween.


Any school is hit or miss with horrible vs great professors, unless maybe you go to an ivy league or similar school. While degrees are a dime a dozen, having one gets you past the HR resume reduction phase. No degree, you're better off applying at Target or Kohls.

Honestly, it depends on the job.

A traditional school is always going to look better than a non-traditional one. It also depends on what the point of the degree is. If it was just to say you've got a college degree, that's one thing. If it's something you might actually need to do the job, that's another.

I don't buy the "it's tough to work and go to school" bit. I worked full time during my master's program, and worked full time, got married, had a kid and started my own business (along with running for office) while I was in law school. If you make it a priority, you can do work and traditional school at the same time.

I still think Devry is better than nvcc

496 Wrote:
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> They get laughed at first, shredded second...



I graduated from The Chubbs, Devry, University of Phoenix, Everest College, and ITT Tech, and you, sir, have no clue what you are talking about!

BrianSchoeneman Wrote:
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> Honestly, it depends on the job.
>
> A traditional school is always going to look
> better than a non-traditional one. It also depends
> on what the point of the degree is. If it was just
> to say you've got a college degree, that's one
> thing. If it's something you might actually need
> to do the job, that's another.
>
> I don't buy the "it's tough to work and go to
> school" bit. I worked full time during my master's
> program, and worked full time, got married, had a
> kid and started my own business (along with
> running for office) while I was in law school. If
> you make it a priority, you can do work and
> traditional school at the same time.

There are limits...particularly what type of school you go to. MIT is notorious for insanely difficult weed out classes that firehose the hell out of you. I'm sorry but you aren't getting married, running for office, starting your own business, and working full time along with doing full time at MIT pursuing the famously difficult electrical engineering program and getting A's

No, it doesn't matter. If they get one candidate that graduated from VT and another that graduated from Devry, the VT grad may make more money, but a bachelor's degree is a checkbox beyond that.

Don't start down the path of a "for profit" school, then try to transfer. Your credits WILL NOT transfer.

Actual footage of ITT graduates getting interviewed back in the day

Stay the fuck away from for-profit schools. By all means, go to a community college and then transfer out to somewhere regionally accredited.

If you want to buy a degree, at least get it from a name brand school. Check out Harvard Extension, for example. You can still call yourself a Harvard man, and some HR people will be too stupid to see that you're really not.

The same applies with for profit Culinary Academies. There are lots of horror stories of people dumping tons of money into those places to walk away with a piece of paper and has them working the bottom-end of a pizza place to pay off this huge loan. Job placement at most places is a joke and the skills can either be learned through OJT, or basic community college classes.

Probably better than nothing, but when you look at cost vs benefit, you'd be better off going to NVCC, and then to a GMU, or at the very least University of Phoenix. They are fully accredited, and you won't have any sneers or jeers when someone's looking at your resume

Johnny Rockets Wrote:
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> Probably better than nothing, but when you look at
> cost vs benefit, you'd be better off going to
> NVCC, and then to a GMU, or at the very least
> University of Phoenix. They are fully accredited,
> and you won't have any sneers or jeers when
> someone's looking at your resume


That pretty much nails it. Be sure to check the type of accreditation the organization has before making a decision.

I went and enrolled at Devry in 2009. When I went in to meet with my enrollment counselor, the guy in front of me coming out of her office was complaining about his classes. She told him “I’m sorry if you are unhappy; you will need to contact a lawyer" and quickly shook my hand and invited me into her office. Anyways, I quickly un-enrolled and it was almost impossible to get my money back. I went to Mason and I am glade I made the decision to go to a school that gets respect when it comes to degrees. Devry is a scam.

I do hire as part of my job, and the resumes that list for-profit schools are definitely placed in back of "real" schools. However, experience probably always matters more, and after time, education is eclipsed by experience on your resume. If you are first starting out though, a for-profit school will not get you noticed, and will be more likely to get discarded.

Depends on the job and the expectations.

Guy who works at my company's Help Desk was an actual ITT Tech graduate. He is one of the better guys on the Help Desk...

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"...your suffering will be legendary even in Hell!"

As everyone else has said, it depends.
If you're in/going into a government job or the military, no. It's a degree, that's all that counts. Matters even less for a graduate degree in this class.
If you're going into a technical field such as IT or a related field, then no, you have to pass specific tests and qualifications.
If you have a security clearance, no, it's a degree.

If you're planning on going into grad school at some point, then yes, it matters. There is a high level of snobbery in academia, and many of my colleagues in the ivory tower don't consider it an equivalent degree. On the other hand, many of the MBA programs and MIS programs in the area are money makers for universities, so they'll take anyone who qualifies and who has a company that is going to pay their way.

If you're going into business, then yes, there is some bias. Your degree gets you into your first job. How you perform there is what gets you into subsequent jobs and promotions.
If you're going to be a teacher, then yes, it will matter, especially in subject areas where there is an excess of teachers (K-8, English, History).

Consider going to NVCC over phoenix/devry etc if you have that option. The instruction level at most of their campuses is quite high, on a par with entry level classes at Mason, American, GW, Marymount. Yes, it does depend on your professor, but for the most part, they're solid academics. Just be cautious of the transfer rules out of the virginia community college system. You have to maintain a 3.0 average, and although you can get into A 4 year state college after that, you are not guaranteed to get into EVERY 4 year state college.

Good Luck

Professor Wrote:
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> Just be cautious of the transfer rules out of the
> virginia community college system. You have to
> maintain a 3.0 average, and although you can get
> into A 4 year state college after that, you are
> not guaranteed to get into EVERY 4 year state
> college.

Here is a page on it. You are in fact guaranteed admission into all the colleges they have an agreement with as long as you fulfill the requirements of the agreement. You aren't guaranteed admission into every program.

The only 4-year public college or university I don't see on the list is VMI, the rest are there. The page also links all the specific agreements if someone is looking to end up at a specific school through this NOVA program.

http://www.nvcc.edu/about-nova/directories--offices/administrative-offices/academic/guaranteed-adm/index.html



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Some of you don't know what you are talking about. I just selected a GS-13 2210 new hire. I got 21 resumes/applicants and conducted three interviews, folks had mutiple masters, PHDs, and bachelors, applying for a lowly as you all know GS-13 position starting at Step 1. My selectee had prior military, an associate, and ITT. The non selectees have spent a whole lot of time and a career in schools. I think my selectee is a happy person now and will be employed.

BTW she is a female afro american. She was very impressive.

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dika-dika Wrote:
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> Some of you don't know what you are talking about.
> I just selected a GS-13 2210 new hire. I got 21
> resumes/applicants and conducted three interviews,
> folks had mutiple masters, PHDs, and bachelors,
> applying for a lowly as you all know GS-13
> position starting at Step 1. My selectee had
> prior military, an associate, and ITT. The non
> selectees have spent a whole lot of time and a
> career in schools. I think my selectee is a happy
> person now and will be employed.

Me thinks you are an unemployed ITT grad concocting this fantastic story to boost your morale up.

Just google "ITT scam" and you will see thousands of horror stories. They charge you close to $50,000 and are not regionally accredited...

justsayin Wrote:
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> Professor Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Just be cautious of the transfer rules out of
> the
> > virginia community college system. You have to
> > maintain a 3.0 average, and although you can
> get
> > into A 4 year state college after that, you are
> > not guaranteed to get into EVERY 4 year state
> > college.
>
> Here is a page on it. You are in fact guaranteed
> admission into all the colleges they have an
> agreement with as long as you fulfill the
> requirements of the agreement. You aren't
> guaranteed admission into every program.
>
> The only 4-year public college or university I
> don't see on the list is VMI, the rest are there.
> The page also links all the specific agreements if
> someone is looking to end up at a specific school
> through this NOVA program.
>
> http://www.nvcc.edu/about-nova/directories--office
> s/administrative-offices/academic/guaranteed-adm/i
> ndex.html

Yes, you are correct, especially with the different standards and agreements with each university.
What I was trying to point out is that achieving an associates degree from a virginia community college does not immediately guarantee admissions to any public college or university. The prevailing thought is that there is a blanket agreement between the community colleges and state schools, and get a 3.0 and you're automatically accepted into UVA or W&M, or any other school. But that's not the case. They also have the right to defer your admission, which has become more prevalent in recent years as the economy has pushed higher numbers of student enrollment at state universities due to cost.

People I know in HR departments tend to laugh at ITT Tech and Devry on someone's resume.

These schools have their places though.. like dental technician and office manager; stuff like that..

But, I wouldn't go get my MBA at Devry and have high hopes of landing anything special.

 



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In general, I agree, these schools get little or no respect from people that do actual hiring. I have heard that they tend to focus on, and prey upon, minorities, and in particular, people for whom English is not their native language. Even a UVa or Yale won't guarantee an interview. Who does that in this day and age?? I would struggle to even read past the line saying DeVries if I was looking to hire someone. Just sayin.

One interesting point mentioned by dika-dika: Sometimes the graduates from the for-profit schools (and from community colleges) are bringing a lot more than just their educational background. For example, ex-military (with an honorable discharge) can say a lot positive about an applicant.

Community colleges are attracting a lot of "non traditional" students--those who, after high school, did something else. Got married, joined the military, went into the workforce, etc. So it's not quite as simple as saying: "OK, here are three high school grads. One went to UVA. One went to NOVA and one went to Devry." And there are a number of for-profit 4-year schools that are considered reasonably acceptable. In fact--though it's beyond the scope of this discussion--that appears to be a major trend in higher education.

just a little FYI if a school or university is NOT accredited don't even waste your time because it is a SCAM! There is a reason why they are accredited and don't meet academic standards, they are degree mills where you pay $50,000 for a sheet of paper that employers won't even look at. Contrary to what another poster stated, if you are in the military this degree will NOT mean anything. At least in the Army in order to get promotion points your degree must be American acredited.

I can't believe people are still trying to promote this bullshit. You are a fucking idiot if you even consider one of these schools. Do not listen to the retards that post here saying otherwise.

dika-dika Wrote:
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> Some of you don't know what you are talking about.
> I just selected a GS-13 2210 new hire. I got 21
> resumes/applicants and conducted three interviews,
> folks had mutiple masters, PHDs, and bachelors,
> applying for a lowly as you all know GS-13
> position starting at Step 1. My selectee had
> prior military, an associate, and ITT. The non
> selectees have spent a whole lot of time and a
> career in schools. I think my selectee is a happy
> person now and will be employed.
>
> BTW she is a female afro american. She was very
> impressive.


Oh good, a diversity hire. I hope you feel good keeping someone likely more qualified from getting the job so that you could fill slots on your HR affirmative blaction annual report.

Gonads & Strife Wrote:
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> dika-dika Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Some of you don't know what you are talking
> about.
> > I just selected a GS-13 2210 new hire. I got
> 21
> > resumes/applicants and conducted three
> interviews,
> > folks had mutiple masters, PHDs, and bachelors,
> > applying for a lowly as you all know GS-13
> > position starting at Step 1. My selectee had
> > prior military, an associate, and ITT. The non
> > selectees have spent a whole lot of time and a
> > career in schools. I think my selectee is a
> happy
> > person now and will be employed.
> >
> > BTW she is a female afro american. She was
> very
> > impressive.
>
>
> Oh good, a diversity hire. I hope you feel good
> keeping someone likely more qualified from getting
> the job so that you could fill slots on your HR
> affirmative blaction annual report.


Gonads went to Lincoln Tech.

No! I went to clown college and now I'm a doctor with my own late night television show.

i went to a community collage..

now i'm at kilroys at wednesday nights.

probably

One of these people went to Everest.

Recent Everest Grads

http://www.usajobs.gov/

Best link in town at the moment.

Let get to the basic problem. Those Devry, Everest College, ITT Tech folks do write better and more effective resumes. Some of you beside going the those great schools always seem go to sub par resumes services, what up with that? Write you own, Ops maybe you did write your own. Thousands dollars of degree and a $100 resume service or a thousands of dollars degree and can't produce a resume worth being read. Hope this helps some of you.

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dika-dika Wrote:
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> http://www.usajobs.gov/
>
> Best link in town at the moment.
>
> Let get to the basic problem. Those Devry,
> Everest College, ITT Tech folks do write better
> and more effective resumes. Some of you beside
> going the those great schools always seem go to
> sub par resumes services, what up with that? Write
> you own, Ops maybe you did write your own.
> Thousands dollars of degree and a $100 resume
> service or a thousands of dollars degree and can't
> produce a resume worth being read. Hope this
> helps some of you.

You edited this post, but it has more grammatical errors than one written by a newborn.

good gone Wrote:
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> dika-dika Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > http://www.usajobs.gov/
> >
> > Best link in town at the moment.
> >
> > Let get to the basic problem. Those Devry,
> > Everest College, ITT Tech folks do write better
> > and more effective resumes. Some of you beside
> > going the those great schools always seem go to
> > sub par resumes services, what up with that?
> Write
> > you own, Ops maybe you did write your own.
> > Thousands dollars of degree and a $100 resume
> > service or a thousands of dollars degree and
> can't
> > produce a resume worth being read. Hope this
> > helps some of you.
>
> You edited this post, but it has more grammatical
> errors than one written by a newborn.

lets see your newborn resume. Dika-Dika has a good point most of your resumes suck. Its not grammatics its content.

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> > dika-dika Wrote:
> >
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>
> > -----
> > > http://www.usajobs.gov/
> > >
> > > Best link in town at the moment.
> > >
> > > Let get to the basic problem. Those Devry,
> > > Everest College, ITT Tech folks do write
> better
> > > and more effective resumes. Some of you
> beside
> > > going the those great schools always seem go
> to
> > > sub par resumes services, what up with that?
> > Write
> > > you own, Ops maybe you did write your own.
> > > Thousands dollars of degree and a $100 resume
> > > service or a thousands of dollars degree and
> > can't
> > > produce a resume worth being read. Hope this
> > > helps some of you.
> >
> > You edited this post, but it has more
> grammatical
> > errors than one written by a newborn.
>
> lets see your newborn resume. Dika-Dika has a
> good point most of your resumes suck. Its not
>

Have fun getting your Devry or ITT resume thrown in the trash immediately. That's just a fact of life in many HR departments.

There are so many cheaper and better alternatives, starting with community colleges. The only reason I can think of anyone going to those places is that their standards are so low any fucking moron can get a degree from one. If that's the case, you really don't want to hire one of their grads.

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> > > dika-dika Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > http://www.usajobs.gov/
> > > >
> > > > Best link in town at the moment.
> > > >
> > > > Let get to the basic problem. Those Devry,
> > > > Everest College, ITT Tech folks do write
> > better
> > > > and more effective resumes. Some of you
> > beside
> > > > going the those great schools always seem
> go
> > to
> > > > sub par resumes services, what up with
> that?
> > > Write
> > > > you own, Ops maybe you did write your own.
> > > > Thousands dollars of degree and a $100
> resume
> > > > service or a thousands of dollars degree
> and
> > > can't
> > > > produce a resume worth being read. Hope
> this
> > > > helps some of you.
> > >
> > > You edited this post, but it has more
> > grammatical
> > > errors than one written by a newborn.
> >
> > lets see your newborn resume. Dika-Dika has a
> > good point most of your resumes suck. Its not
> >
>
> Have fun getting your Devry or ITT resume thrown
> in the trash immediately. That's just a fact of
> life in many HR departments.


How you know you work in a HR department? So you went to college got a basket weaving degree and hired to work in a HR department. Angry are you completing with Devry and IIT grads?

Here's what is going through the HR departments mind. They have a bunch of resumes for a tech position. Resumes include VT, GMU, VCU, etc. And then you have DeVry and ITT. Regardless of who you hire, there's probably a 1 in 10 chance they won't work out due to personality conflicts, skill set not being quite right, bad work ethic, etc. So if the person doesn't work out, where do you think the shit is going to land when people go back and look at a resume that has ITT or DeVry on it? That's right...HR.

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> >
> > >
> > > > -----
> > > > > http://www.usajobs.gov/
> > > > >
> > > > > Best link in town at the moment.
> > > > >
> > > > > Let get to the basic problem. Those
> Devry,
> > > > > Everest College, ITT Tech folks do write
> > > better
> > > > > and more effective resumes. Some of you
> > > beside
> > > > > going the those great schools always seem
> > go
> > > to
> > > > > sub par resumes services, what up with
> > that?
> > > > Write
> > > > > you own, Ops maybe you did write your
> own.
> > > > > Thousands dollars of degree and a $100
> > resume
> > > > > service or a thousands of dollars degree
> > and
> > > > can't
> > > > > produce a resume worth being read. Hope
> > this
> > > > > helps some of you.
> > > >
> > > > You edited this post, but it has more
> > > grammatical
> > > > errors than one written by a newborn.
> > >
> > > lets see your newborn resume. Dika-Dika has
> a
> > > good point most of your resumes suck. Its not
> > >
> >
> > Have fun getting your Devry or ITT resume
> thrown
> > in the trash immediately. That's just a fact of
> > life in many HR departments.
>
>
> How you know you work in a HR department? So you
> went to college got a basket weaving degree and
> hired to work in a HR department. Angry are you
> completing with Devry and IIT grads?

"Complete" with IIT grads? What's IIT? Btw the curriculum in ITT and Devry < 8th grade algebra in terms of difficulty. Don't get mad that ITT and Devry resumes get shredded on the daily =)

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> > -----
> > > Hey good gone Wrote:
> > >
> >
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>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > good gone Wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> >
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>
> >
> > >
> > > > -----
> > > > > dika-dika Wrote:
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > -----
> > > > > > http://www.usajobs.gov/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Best link in town at the moment.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Let get to the basic problem. Those
> > Devry,
> > > > > > Everest College, ITT Tech folks do
> write
> > > > better
> > > > > > and more effective resumes. Some of
> you
> > > > beside
> > > > > > going the those great schools always
> seem
> > > go
> > > > to
> > > > > > sub par resumes services, what up with
> > > that?
> > > > > Write
> > > > > > you own, Ops maybe you did write your
> > own.
> > > > > > Thousands dollars of degree and a $100
> > > resume
> > > > > > service or a thousands of dollars
> degree
> > > and
> > > > > can't
> > > > > > produce a resume worth being read.
> Hope
> > > this
> > > > > > helps some of you.
> > > > >
> > > > > You edited this post, but it has more
> > > > grammatical
> > > > > errors than one written by a newborn.
> > > >
> > > > lets see your newborn resume. Dika-Dika
> has
> > a
> > > > good point most of your resumes suck. Its
> not
> > > >
> > >
> > > Have fun getting your Devry or ITT resume
> > thrown
> > > in the trash immediately. That's just a fact
> of
> > > life in many HR departments.
> >
> >
> > How you know you work in a HR department? So
> you
> > went to college got a basket weaving degree and
> > hired to work in a HR department. Angry are
> you
> > completing with Devry and IIT grads?
>
> "Complete" with IIT grads? What's IIT? Btw the
> curriculum in ITT and Devry < 8th grade algebra in
> terms of difficulty. Don't get mad that ITT and
> Devry resumes get shredded on the daily =)

30k a year is killing you yet. How much that basket weaving degree cost ya? Should have went to DEVRY or ITT because they are making more than you.

For equivalent experiences, graduates from for-profits usually go to the bottom of the stack. Military service gets some points depending on the job they did. Without real work experience I avoid DeVry, ITT, Everest and Strayer grads and if they can get an interview, it's going to be much more difficult for them. To those of us who went to actual universities, you all are just above mail-order diploma mills. Just go to a recognized state school and not spend your whole life and career pissed off at the world for not respecting you the way you think you should be. Some of you will make it ok, but is it worth having to prove yourself over and over again to people who will always think you took a shortcut no matter how hard you try? It's much easier over the long term.

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> > > -----
> > > > Hey good gone Wrote:
> > > >
> > >
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> >
> > >
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> > > > > good gone Wrote:
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
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> >
> > >
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> > > > > -----
> > > > > > dika-dika Wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----
> > > > > > > http://www.usajobs.gov/
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Best link in town at the moment.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Let get to the basic problem. Those
> > > Devry,
> > > > > > > Everest College, ITT Tech folks do
> > write
> > > > > better
> > > > > > > and more effective resumes. Some of
> > you
> > > > > beside
> > > > > > > going the those great schools always
> > seem
> > > > go
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > sub par resumes services, what up
> with
> > > > that?
> > > > > > Write
> > > > > > > you own, Ops maybe you did write your
> > > own.
> > > > > > > Thousands dollars of degree and a
> $100
> > > > resume
> > > > > > > service or a thousands of dollars
> > degree
> > > > and
> > > > > > can't
> > > > > > > produce a resume worth being read.
> > Hope
> > > > this
> > > > > > > helps some of you.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You edited this post, but it has more
> > > > > grammatical
> > > > > > errors than one written by a newborn.
> > > > >
> > > > > lets see your newborn resume. Dika-Dika
> > has
> > > a
> > > > > good point most of your resumes suck. Its
> > not
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Have fun getting your Devry or ITT resume
> > > thrown
> > > > in the trash immediately. That's just a
> fact
> > of
> > > > life in many HR departments.
> > >
> > >
> > > How you know you work in a HR department? So
> > you
> > > went to college got a basket weaving degree
> and
> > > hired to work in a HR department. Angry are
> > you
> > > completing with Devry and IIT grads?
> >
> > "Complete" with IIT grads? What's IIT? Btw the
> > curriculum in ITT and Devry < 8th grade algebra
> in
> > terms of difficulty. Don't get mad that ITT and
> > Devry resumes get shredded on the daily =)
>
> 30k a year is killing you yet. How much that
> basket weaving degree cost ya? Should have went
> to DEVRY or ITT because they are making more than
> you.


Awww it looks I hurt the feelings of a Devry or ITT graduate. I take it spelling at an elementary level is not your forte. Sorry that your "degree" is laughed at and your resume is shredded at an alarming rate. Like I said, ITT and Devry curriculum < 8th grade algebra in terms of difficulty. That's a fact and it's actually a running joke in the tech and biz worlds =)

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> > > -----
> > > > Ummmm no Wrote:
> > > >
> > >
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> >
> > >
> > > > -----
> > > > > Hey good gone Wrote:
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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> >
> > >
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> > > > > > good gone Wrote:
> > > > > >
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> > >
> >
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>
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > >
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> > > > > > > dika-dika Wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----
> > > > > > > > http://www.usajobs.gov/
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Best link in town at the moment.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Let get to the basic problem.
> Those
> > > > Devry,
> > > > > > > > Everest College, ITT Tech folks do
> > > write
> > > > > > better
> > > > > > > > and more effective resumes. Some
> of
> > > you
> > > > > > beside
> > > > > > > > going the those great schools
> always
> > > seem
> > > > > go
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > sub par resumes services, what up
> > with
> > > > > that?
> > > > > > > Write
> > > > > > > > you own, Ops maybe you did write
> your
> > > > own.
> > > > > > > > Thousands dollars of degree and a
> > $100
> > > > > resume
> > > > > > > > service or a thousands of dollars
> > > degree
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > can't
> > > > > > > > produce a resume worth being read.
> > > Hope
> > > > > this
> > > > > > > > helps some of you.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You edited this post, but it has more
> > > > > > grammatical
> > > > > > > errors than one written by a newborn.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > lets see your newborn resume.
> Dika-Dika
> > > has
> > > > a
> > > > > > good point most of your resumes suck.
> Its
> > > not
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Have fun getting your Devry or ITT resume
> > > > thrown
> > > > > in the trash immediately. That's just a
> > fact
> > > of
> > > > > life in many HR departments.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > How you know you work in a HR department?
> So
> > > you
> > > > went to college got a basket weaving degree
> > and
> > > > hired to work in a HR department. Angry
> are
> > > you
> > > > completing with Devry and IIT grads?
> > >
> > > "Complete" with IIT grads? What's IIT? Btw
> the
> > > curriculum in ITT and Devry < 8th grade
> algebra
> > in
> > > terms of difficulty. Don't get mad that ITT
> and
> > > Devry resumes get shredded on the daily =)
> >
> > 30k a year is killing you yet. How much that
> > basket weaving degree cost ya? Should have
> went
> > to DEVRY or ITT because they are making more
> than
> > you.
>
>
> Awww it looks I hurt the feelings of a Devry or
> ITT graduate. I take it spelling at an elementary
> level is not your forte. Sorry that your "degree"
> is laughed at and your resume is shredded at an
> alarming rate. Like I said, ITT and Devry
> curriculum < 8th grade algebra in terms of
> difficulty. That's a fact and it's actually a
> running joke in the tech and biz worlds =)


let go out for beer. I'm buying I know you can't afford it.

Just do a Google search for ITT scam and you will get THOUSANDS of hits. Here is a sample:

"From a former ITT-Tech instructor (4.5 years in Houston) - the school is a scam that preys on stupid, uneducated (and uneducable) people for the $40,000 federal student loans that they obtain. The books are a joke, the curriculum is written for morons (because only a moron would attend there) and the credits don't transfer. "

some more:

"I was an admissions advisor and I am writing this because sometimes you are going to read positive remarks from current students(All these encouraging comments are from fake students and are actually paid by ITT Tech to say bogus and phony messages) In the year I was working for ITT TECH I have only heard complaints from students."

...

"My graduating class was 82 people, about 15 of those were employed in their field of study (7 of those were Drafting & Design). THAT'S ABOUT 18% OF GRADS WHO GOT A JOB IN THEIR FIELD OF STUDY.

NOT ONE...ZERO OF THE GRADS OF THE "COMPUTER NETWORKING" CLASS WERE HIRED IN THAT FIELD (THIS WAS MY AREA OF STUDY, BY THE WAY), AND THE NETWORKING CLASS WAS 56 STUDENTS.

As to national OR regional accreditation...Gadsden State Community college wouldn't even accept my math 116 or eng 101 credits from ITT! "

...

"You see, ITT preys on the ignorant and desperate. I would bet, based on the classmates I had and the ease of the entrance exam, that the majority of ITT students could not get in to a more traditional college or university. It's a numbers game..."

ITT scam Wrote:
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> Just do a Google search for ITT scam and you will
> get THOUSANDS of hits. Here is a sample:
>
> "From a former ITT-Tech instructor (4.5 years in
> Houston) - the school is a scam that preys on
> stupid, uneducated (and uneducable) people for the
> $40,000 federal student loans that they obtain.
> The books are a joke, the curriculum is written
> for morons (because only a moron would attend
> there) and the credits don't transfer. "


You can google up the same stuff from universities graduates complaining about their universities, degrees, and loans.

Sour Grapes Wrote:
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>
> You can google up the same stuff from universities
> graduates complaining about their universities,
> degrees, and loans.


For-profit schools have been under Congressional investigation. It's not the same thing as some dumbass frat boy not understanding how his college loan works or some professor that made an example out of him in front of the class.

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Sour Grapes Wrote:
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>
> You can google up the same stuff from universities
> graduates complaining about their universities,
> degrees, and loans.

I just did a Google search for Stanford scam and came up with nothing. Do the same with ITT and Devry and you will get THOUSANDS OF TESTIMONIALS. Fact: a Stanford, VT, CalTech, MIT student can get into Devry and ITT but an ITT and Devry student can't get into MIT.

This still doesn't change this fact: Devry and ITT resumes get trashed and shredded by hiring managers. Devry and ITT will accept ANYONE OFF THE STREET.

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> Sour Grapes Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> >
> > You can google up the same stuff from
> universities
> > graduates complaining about their universities,
> > degrees, and loans.
>
>
> For-profit schools have been under Congressional
> investigation. It's not the same thing as some
> dumbass frat boy not understanding how his college
> loan works or some professor that made an example
> out of him in front of the class.


I'm sure there are plenty of universities under congressional investigation for something. Congress investigates everything.

Better than UDC or howard I'd guess. PUre Mayate madness.

Okay So Wrote:
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>
> I'm sure there are plenty of universities under
> congressional investigation for something.
> Congress investigates everything.


Not how an entire industry is a complete scam to get poor students to borrow taxpayer money before defaulting on their student loans.

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> Sour Grapes Wrote:
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> -----
>
> >
> > You can google up the same stuff from
> universities
> > graduates complaining about their universities,
> > degrees, and loans.
>
> I just did a Google search for Stanford scam and
> came up with nothing. Do the same with ITT and
> Devry and you will get THOUSANDS OF TESTIMONIALS.
> Fact: a Stanford, VT, CalTech, MIT student can get
> into Devry and ITT but an ITT and Devry student
> can't get into MIT.
>
> This still doesn't change this fact: Devry and ITT
> resumes get trashed and shredded by hiring
> managers. Devry and ITT will accept ANYONE OFF THE
> STREET.

You only did one school? Why Stanford? oh you went there and now you are making 30k a year. You should have went to DEVRY.

MIT/Harvard/Stanford student:

typically white or Asian
4.5 weighted GPA
2300-2400 SAT score
medalist in the Mathematical Olympiad
Intel STS medalist
conquered Calculus by 10th grade
tons of ECs by 10th grade

ITT and Devry student:

typically Hispanic or black
1.3 GPA
1100 SAT score
can barely add and finds 8th-grade algebra impossible to grasp
functional illiterate with copious spelling and grammatical errors in their writing

UVA/VT/JMU student:

Typically white or asian
3.7-4.5 GPA
1900 to 2200 SAT scores
Tons of ECs
Mastered Calculus in high school

MIT/Harvard/Stanford student: 30K a year job

UVA/VT/JMU student: 30K a year job

ITT and Devry student: 50K a year job

Who cares about Calculus ?

Devry and ITT Tech are notorious for preying on underachievers and minorities (black and hispanic). It has to give you pause when the metric for admission is basically nothing and the tuition is higher than most state unis.

Most 4-year unis offer online and extended weekend classes. Plus it would be cheaper to do 2 years at a local cc and transfer. I've heard hiring managers tell me that they question the logic of many ITT and Devry graduates in choosing their institution of higher learning. It's like paying 90k for a Ford Pinto.

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> MIT/Harvard/Stanford student: 30K a year job
>
> UVA/VT/JMU student: 30K a year job
>
> ITT and Devry student: 50K a year job
>
> Who cares about Calculus ?

MIT/Harvard/Stanford grads: offered 100k jobs before they graduate. Google, FB, Intel actively recruit on campus. In fact there have been tons of articles on this phenomenon. Read much?

UVA/VT/JMU grad: offered 70k-100k jobs after graduating

ITT and Devry: unemployed or making $9 an hour at the mall. If lucky they can get a help desk job for $10 an hour.

Your Choice Wrote:
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> MIT/Harvard/Stanford student: 30K a year job
>
> UVA/VT/JMU student: 30K a year job
>
> ITT and Devry student: 50K a year job
>
> Who cares about Calculus ?

lol troll thread

wnrsm Wrote:
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> justsayin Wrote:
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> don't want to take on debt
> that can't be forgiven or discharged in
> bankruptcy.

Good thinking - planning ahead for your eventual failure.

I used to do hiring in my old firm. Any and all Devry/ITT resumes wouldn't get a second glance.

Decision maker Wrote:
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> I used to do hiring in my old firm. Any and all
> Devry/ITT resumes wouldn't get a second glance.


I guessed the missed glances got you moved out for hiring duds. Did you dust up that tired resume and do better.

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> Decision maker Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I used to do hiring in my old firm. Any and all
> > Devry/ITT resumes wouldn't get a second glance.
>
>
> I guessed the missed glances got you moved out for
> hiring duds. Did you dust up that tired resume
> and do better.

No, I took a position at another firm for higher pay. If I was still in a position to do hiring, Devry/ITT resumes would still not get a second glance. This trend is not an outlier...it's the systematic norm. I would suggest a folklore degree from Radford over credentials from ITT/Devry.

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> Not how an entire industry is a complete scam to
> get poor students to borrow taxpayer money before
> defaulting on their student loans.

Do they borrow the money from the Government or are they just given the money? If the former, they're getting scammed. If the latter, we're getting scammed. Actually, we're getting scammed either way if they default.

Rather pick... Wrote:
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> 20K to 30K Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Decision maker Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > I used to do hiring in my old firm. Any and
> all
> > > Devry/ITT resumes wouldn't get a second
> glance.
> >
> >
> > I guessed the missed glances got you moved out
> for
> > hiring duds. Did you dust up that tired resume
> > and do better.
>
> No, I took a position at another firm for higher
> pay. If I was still in a position to do hiring,
> Devry/ITT resumes would still not get a second
> glance. This trend is not an outlier...it's the
> systematic norm. I would suggest a folklore degree
> from Radford over credentials from ITT/Devry.


This trend is not an outlier...it's the systematic norm.

Loan or Freebie Wrote:
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> Do they borrow the money from the Government or
> are they just given the money? If the former,
> they're getting scammed. If the latter, we're
> getting scammed. Actually, we're getting scammed
> either way if they default.


Yes and no... I don't think student loans are non-recourse like mortgages. If someone defaults on a student loan I think they can expect tax refund clawbacks and wage garnishment.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/08/2012 05:21PM by justsayin.

Join the military go into IT, get a high level clearance. Come out at 22 making 70k...or more.

Work hard and easily be above 100k by 28-30.

Military Wrote:
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> Join the military go into IT, get a high level
> clearance. Come out at 22 making 70k...or more.
>
> Work hard and easily be above 100k by 28-30.


Better than these so-called highly educated unemployed losers who graduated straight to mom basement. Sending out weak and unbelievable resumes thinking someone on going to knock on the door looking for them. If anybody looking for them it is the govt to get them to start paying on that school loan.

Military Wrote:
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> Join the military go into IT, get a high level
> clearance. Come out at 22 making 70k...or more.
>
> Work hard and easily be above 100k by 28-30.

You don't need the military to do that. The basic gist is this:

If you want to babysit Cisco networks: don't need ITT or Devry. Just certs.

If you want to engineer a new gen of Cisco networks: you need a degree from a four year uni

Yoyo Wrote:
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>
> You don't need the military to do that. The basic
> gist is this:
>
> If you want to babysit Cisco networks: don't need
> ITT or Devry. Just certs.
>
> If you want to engineer a new gen of Cisco
> networks: you need a degree from a four year uni

I agree that certifications can help get you a "babysitting" (Operations/NOC) job, but I disagree on the degree requirement for engineering. Most of those moving from operations to engineering are doing so without degrees. I don't have a degree and got my first six-figure job without a clearance. I have several peers that did the same.

I'm taking NVCC classes now. The system is set up for slack-jawed idiot recent high school graduates that have no idea what they want to do. It also seems that they expect students to be too lazy or stupid to look up stuff for themselves. I'm teaching my faculty adviser about their posted policies including credit for CLEP. I'm asking questions and making requests that they simply don't get from the other students. I'm using CLEP to jump through as many of these hoops as I can.

I see four dimensions to a resume in this area:
1: Education
2: Experience
3: Certifications
4: Security Clearance

I have done so much on 2, 3, and 4 that any large effort would yield diminishing returns. All I have left is #1 and I'm going the cheap route to get an A.S. in I.T. at NVCC first. Then I'll see if/where I go for an undergraduate degree.

wnrsm Wrote:
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> >
>
> I agree that certifications can help get you a
> "babysitting" (Operations/NOC) job, but I disagree
> on the degree requirement for engineering. Most
> of those moving from operations to engineering are
> doing so without degrees. I don't have a degree
> and got my first six-figure job without a
> clearance. I have several peers that did the
> same.

Sorry but you aren't going to be hardware engineers working for Cisco designing the next gen of tech with certs. You would need a background in EE which is very math intensive (Calculus I-IV - differential calculus, integral calculus, series calculus, vector calculus, linear alg, differential eq's) and you would need to take physics also lol. My high school trig class is harder than most certs. Nova's IT AS transfer degree only requires Applied Calculus which is like Calculus on training wheels...and the vast majority of 4-year uni IT degrees only require Applied Calc.

My brother is at NOVA right now and I'm helping him with his Applied Calc hw.

Undergrad Wrote:
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> wnrsm Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > >
> >
> > I agree that certifications can help get you a
> > "babysitting" (Operations/NOC) job, but I
> disagree
> > on the degree requirement for engineering.
> Most
> > of those moving from operations to engineering
> are
> > doing so without degrees. I don't have a
> degree
> > and got my first six-figure job without a
> > clearance. I have several peers that did the
> > same.
>
> Sorry but you aren't going to be hardware
> engineers working for Cisco designing the next gen
> of tech with certs. You would need a background in
> EE which is very math intensive (Calculus I-IV -
> differential calculus, integral calculus, series
> calculus, vector calculus, linear alg,
> differential eq's) and you would need to take
> physics also lol. My high school trig class is
> harder than most certs. Nova's IT AS transfer
> degree only requires Applied Calculus which is
> like Calculus on training wheels...and the vast
> majority of 4-year uni IT degrees only require
> Applied Calc.
>
> My brother is at NOVA right now and I'm helping
> him with his Applied Calc hw.


oh wow EE as in electrical engineering? lol I remember Virginia Tech buddy tell me that EE probably had the most amount of students switching majors after 1 semester primarily because Calculus II was a notoriously difficult class. High school seniors having extremely high GPAs and high Calculus AB or BC scores yet get murdered in upper level Calc classes at VT.

Undergrad Wrote:
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>
> Sorry but you aren't going to be hardware
> engineers working for Cisco designing the next gen
> of tech with certs. You would need a background in
> EE which is very math intensive (Calculus I-IV -
> differential calculus, integral calculus, series
> calculus, vector calculus, linear alg,
> differential eq's) and you would need to take
> physics also lol. My high school trig class is
> harder than most certs. Nova's IT AS transfer
> degree only requires Applied Calculus which is
> like Calculus on training wheels...and the vast
> majority of 4-year uni IT degrees only require
> Applied Calc.
>
> My brother is at NOVA right now and I'm helping
> him with his Applied Calc hw.

This x 100. My best friend flunked Precalc 3 times but passed his certs without barely studying.

Undergrad Wrote:
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> Sorry but you aren't going to be hardware
> engineers working for Cisco designing the next gen
> of tech with certs. You would need a background in
> EE which is very math intensive (Calculus I-IV -
> differential calculus, integral calculus, series
> calculus, vector calculus, linear alg,
> differential eq's) and you would need to take
> physics also lol. My high school trig class is
> harder than most certs. Nova's IT AS transfer
> degree only requires Applied Calculus which is
> like Calculus on training wheels...and the vast
> majority of 4-year uni IT degrees only require
> Applied Calc.
>
> My brother is at NOVA right now and I'm helping
> him with his Applied Calc hw.

Bummer. I had hopes. Silly me thinking I would only need a CCNA, an AS from NVCC, and a soldering iron to go get my job a Cisco in San Jose.

There's a difference between engineering networks and engineering network hardware. I was referring to the former that prefers certifications to degrees and a requires a security clearance just like the security clearances mentioned several times previously in this thread.

Since Cisco has such a large presence in the DC metro area here and hires many electrical engineers with security clearances to design their next gen hardware, I could see how a douchebag could be mistaken. BTW, I passed Calculus I. But I "would need to take physics also lol" as you put it, so I'll just sit here and hope you will tell me about the rabbits again, George.

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> Bummer. I had hopes. Silly me thinking I would
> only need a CCNA, an AS from NVCC, and a soldering
> iron to go get my job a Cisco in San Jose.
>
>

Oh god...another hs reject going to NVCC. What's the matter? Radford rejected you? Let me guess....you're Hispanic or black. Do you feel proud competing with gangbangers in developmental math? Here's a fact for you: your NVCC courses are the equivalent of 10th grade classes. I hope your sixteen because it would be embarrassing if you're just learning that stuff now in your twenties or thirties.

NVCC is for retards Wrote:
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> wnrsm Wrote:
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> >
> > Bummer. I had hopes. Silly me thinking I
> would
> > only need a CCNA, an AS from NVCC, and a
> soldering
> > iron to go get my job a Cisco in San Jose.
> >
> >
>
> Oh god...another hs reject going to NVCC. What's
> the matter? Radford rejected you? Let me
> guess....you're Hispanic or black. Do you feel
> proud competing with gangbangers in developmental
> math? Here's a fact for you: your NVCC courses are
> the equivalent of 10th grade classes. I hope your
> sixteen because it would be embarrassing if you're
> just learning that stuff now in your twenties or
> thirties.


What's a 'high school reject'? How do you get 'rejected' from high school?

Oh, and it's 'I hope YOU'RE sixteen', not 'I hope your [sic] sixteen'.
Maybe if you spent a semester at Nova they might be able to explain to you why that is...

NVCC is for retards Wrote:
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> wnrsm Wrote:
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> >
> > Bummer. I had hopes. Silly me thinking I
> would
> > only need a CCNA, an AS from NVCC, and a
> soldering
> > iron to go get my job a Cisco in San Jose.
> >
> >
>
> Oh god...another hs reject going to NVCC. What's
> the matter? Radford rejected you? Let me
> guess....you're Hispanic or black. Do you feel
> proud competing with gangbangers in developmental
> math? Here's a fact for you: your NVCC courses are
> the equivalent of 10th grade classes. I hope your
> sixteen because it would be embarrassing if you're
> just learning that stuff now in your twenties or
> thirties.

I'm going to guess you are a NVCC student with that whole "I hope your
> sixteen because it would be embarrassing" - fucking ironic isn't it?

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I hope your sixteen because it would be embarrassing
I hope your sixteen because it would be embarrassing
I hope your sixteen because it would be embarrassing
I hope your sixteen because it would be embarrassing
I hope your sixteen because it would be embarrassing
I hope your sixteen because it would be embarrassing
I hope your sixteen because it would be embarrassing

You hope his sixteen what?

AWWW SHIT DAWG

SECOND BIGGEST FAIL OF 2012!! Behind "you've been registered only ten days"

HAHAHAHAHAHA 1.24.11 was only 10 days ago!!!!!!!

he said you're sometimes but somehow still managed to fail. I don't get it

@ LULZin Wrote:
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> HAHAHAHAHAHA 1.24.11 was only 10 days ago!!!!!!!


Tee fucking HEE!!!!!!

hahahahhaha!