Do you think it courageous to end it all, or a cowardly act and should stick out all the unhappiness, bullshit and depression in hopes of things improving.

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Neither, it's an act of desperation,,,

Often from just being worn down,and with no improvement in life likely

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Hatemotor Wrote:
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> Neither, it's an act of desperation,,,
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> Often from just being worn down,and with no
> improvement in life likely

i would have killed myself a while ago if that was true!

Courageous, it is only Religion and lame thinking that calls it cowardly, shit how cowardly is it to kill yourself if you have a terminal disease and want to spare your family a long and crueling suffering. I'd say that guy was pretty brave, how cowardly were some of the greatest people in history or the Romans when they knew it was time to call it quits, it just priest talk that calls it a cowards exit.

Somewhere up there someone replied "neither" - I'd agree.

Except under special circumstances, it is an unthinking knee-jerk reaction to some situation that has ruined the victim's ability to think rationally. So it is neither cowardly nor courageous. Kurt Cobain's suicide is one that springs to mind, for some reason.

Pretty much the only special circumstances I can think of that "justify" suicide are BOTH "certain death anyway" scenarios. The 9/11 suicides are prime recent much-publicized examples of those. The other case would be having something guaranteed-terminal and wanting to simply end oneself before things got too much worse. Again, though, that doesn't seem either courageous or cowardly.

Neither. It's the last gasp of an attention whore.

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I would think some kill themselves because it's the only way to regain some measure of control over their own fate. Prisoners, for instance, especially those who think they're never getting out or who are on death row. Herman Goering comes to mind. He was going to the gallows and he shot the Nuremburg courts the middle finger by offing himself in his cell.

I guess that would fall under "desperation".

This thread is totally useless without letting me help one of you commit suicide.

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Pope4578cand Wrote:
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> Do you think it courageous to end it all, or a
> cowardly act and should stick out all the
> unhappiness, bullshit and depression in hopes of
> things improving.


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The Japanese had a whole cultural issue around honor and redemption. Often suicide was the only honorable thing to do.

The view of suicide in western culture is completely biased based on religious beliefs. You would have to go back and ask why they thought it was important to classify suicide as a sin. But I don't think there is anything cowardly or courageous about it - it just is. If you take religion out of the equation, you pretty much have to decide life is worth living or not - and if you really feel it isn't, well - do what you have to do. Just do it in such a way that you don't hurt anyone else.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

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> I would think some kill themselves because it's
> the only way to regain some measure of control
> over their own fate. Prisoners, for instance,
> especially those who think they're never getting
> out or who are on death row. Herman Goering comes
> to mind. He was going to the gallows and he shot
> the Nuremburg courts the middle finger by offing
> himself in his cell.
>
> I guess that would fall under "desperation".

Hitler also. He did not cherish the idea of becoming a sideshow freak for the Russians or suffering the same fate as Mussolini. But Hitler had the chance to escape the bunker by fleeing but decided it was better to end it all.

I don't think suicide is courageous, cowardly or selfish. I think it is something a person who isn't thinking rationally does.

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WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> I don't think suicide is courageous, cowardly or
> selfish. I think it is something a person who
> isn't thinking rationally does.


That's pretty obvious. No one thinking clearly is going to take a handgun stick it in his mouth and pull the trigger. But I think it is courageous act. I read about some soldiers who have recieved high honors for bravery in battle and I ask myself "were they rational" if rationality involves self preservation, they were not. I then go away thinking maybe irrationality in some cases can involve acts of courage.

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> That's pretty obvious. No one thinking clearly
> is going to take a handgun stick it in his mouth
> and pull the trigger. But I think it is
> courageous act. I read about some soldiers who
> have recieved high honors for bravery in battle
> and I ask myself "were they rational" if
> rationality involves self preservation, they were
> not. I then go away thinking maybe irrationality
> in some cases can involve acts of courage.


I don't consider "giving your life" by jumping on a grenade to save fellow soldiers to be "suicide." That's called the ultimate sacrifice. There's a difference.

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WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> I don't think suicide is courageous, cowardly or
> selfish. I think it is something a person who
> isn't thinking rationally does...................................................agreed

My opnion is sucide can sometimes involve a rational thinking process . When all the circumstances are weighted and all the possibilities explored and the most expedient solution to the problem is this method it is rational. Case in point self induced euthanasia (old people, terminally sick) to me both rational and courageous to person subjective way of thinking.

Herbt Wrote:
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> My opnion is sucide can sometimes involve a
> rational thinking process . When all the
> circumstances are weighted and all the
> possibilities explored and the most expedient
> solution to the problem is this method it is
> rational. Case in point self induced euthanasia
> (old people, terminally sick) to me both rational
> and courageous to person subjective way of
> thinking.


I think in those cases the pain involved with living negates any courageous or rational aspects. People in those circumstances usually do it because living is so horrendously painful.

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That's about as small minded answer as one can imagine.