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Libyan Rebels Now Linked to Al Qaeda
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: March 25, 2011 06:03PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8407047/Libyan-rebel-commander-admits-his-fighters-have-al-Qaeda-links.html
More great and wonderful news...
Maybe we could have sat this one out and used the old Bush/Cheney excuse of attracting the radical Islamists to Libya like we were supposed to be doing in Iraq instead of "fighting them here".
The best thing in the world would have been to leave both parties alone to annilihate each other.
More great and wonderful news...
Maybe we could have sat this one out and used the old Bush/Cheney excuse of attracting the radical Islamists to Libya like we were supposed to be doing in Iraq instead of "fighting them here".
The best thing in the world would have been to leave both parties alone to annilihate each other.
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Re: Libyan Rebels Now Linked to Al Qaeda
Posted by:
funnny
()
Date: March 25, 2011 06:07PM
What is funny is the people we are 'saving' will be attacking us the minute they are 'liberated.'
Re: Libyan Rebels Now Linked to Al Qaeda
Posted by:
6X
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Date: March 25, 2011 06:58PM
WTF?
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Re: Libyan Rebels Now Linked to Al Qaeda
Posted by:
trogdor!
()
Date: March 25, 2011 07:55PM
Awesome. So basically, we're fighting Bin Laden's war for him. Certainly sounds like a Win/Win....for al-Qaeda.
Re: Libyan Rebels Now Linked to Al Qaeda
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: March 27, 2011 11:05AM
Here's another report on Jihadists in Libya. I think the best we can hope for is that the Islamists and Al Qaeda are a small part of a diverse number of groups in the rebellion. I'm not sure what the Libyan popular sentimment is and anyone thinking American style Democracy will triumph is probably opium.
Evidence is emerging that United States forces are waging war in Libya on behalf of rebels whose ranks include jihadis who fought against the U.S. in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Britain's Daily Telegraph reports that Abdel-Hakim al-Hasidi, a leader of U.S.-supported rebel forces in the fighting around Adjabiya, went to Afghanistan in 2002 to fight against the "foreign invasion" -- that is, U.S. troops who invaded Afghanistan in retaliation for the September 11 attacks. The Telegraph says al-Hasidi told an Italian newspaper, Il Sole 24 Ore, that he was captured in 2002 in Peshawar, Pakistan. "He was later handed over to the U.S., and then held in Libya before being released in 2008," the Telegraph reports. Al-Hasidi also told the Italian paper he recruited about 25 Libyan men to fight against U.S. forces in Iraq.
Al-Hasidi's story is consistent with evidence presented in a 2007 report published by the Combating Terrorism Center at the U.S. Military Academy in West Point. That report, by professors Joseph Felter and Brian Fishman, examined records of an al Qaeda-affiliated organization found after an October 2007 raid near Sinjar, Iraq. The records contained biographical information about nearly 700 foreign terrorists who came to Iraq to fight against the United States between August 2006 and August 2007.
Felter and Fishman found that the largest portion of foreign fighters, about 41 percent, came to Iraq from Saudi Arabia. The second-largest source of foreign fighters, at nearly 19 percent, was Libya. "Libya contributed far more fighters per capita than any other nationality in the Sinjar records, including Saudi Arabia," the authors conclude. Since previous studies had indicated far fewer Libyan fighters in Iraq, the authors suggest there may have been a "surge" of Libyans into Iraq in the spring and summer of 2007. "The apparent surge in Libyan recruits traveling to Iraq may be linked to the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group's [LIFG] increasingly cooperative relationship with al Qaeda, which culminated in the LIFG official joining al Qaeda on November 3, 2007," the report say.
The Telegraph, citing U.S. and British government sources, reports that Abdel-Hakim al-Hasidi was a member of the LIFG.
The Combating Terrorism Center reports says that Darnah, Libya -- al-Hasidi's hometown-- supplied more foreign fighters to Iraq than any other city, including Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, a city far larger than Darnah. Benghazi, Libya, now a rebel stronghold, was also a major source of Libyan fighters traveling to Iraq. "Both Darnah and Benghazi have long been associated with Islamic militancy in Libya, in particular for an uprising by Islamist organizations in the mid-1990s," the authors report. "The Libyan government blamed the uprising on 'infiltrators from the Sudan and Egypt' and one group -- the Libyan Fighting Group -- claimed to have Afghan veterans in its ranks. The Libyan uprisings became extraordinarily violent. [Libyan strongman Moammar] Gadhafi used helicopter gunships in Benghazi, cut telephone, electricity, and water supplies to Darnah and famously claimed that the militants "deserve to die without trial, like dogs." In the current fighting, Gadhafi has said that the rebels fighting against him are affiliated with al Qaeda, but his claims have found little acceptance.
There is no doubt that the rebels associated with the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group are violent extremists. The Combating Terrorism Center Report found that the Libyans, along with Moroccans, were more likely than others to become suicide bombers once they were in Iraq. The Sinjar records, plus political developments in the 2007 time period, "suggest that Libyan factions (primarily the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group) are increasingly important in al Qaeda," the report says.
Now, it is not clear what portion of the Libyan rebels, who enjoy the backing and assistance of the United States military, have been associated with al Qaeda and attacks on the U.S. in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan. That's one reason critics of the Libya war say the U.S.-led coalition doesn't really know who it's fighting for. But we may learn more in the future, especially if the rebels prevail and some former jihadis find themselves running Libya, courtesy of the United States.
Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2011/03/jihadis-who-fought-us-iraq-afghanistan-now-enjoy-american-support#ixzz1HoQjwnUV
Evidence is emerging that United States forces are waging war in Libya on behalf of rebels whose ranks include jihadis who fought against the U.S. in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Britain's Daily Telegraph reports that Abdel-Hakim al-Hasidi, a leader of U.S.-supported rebel forces in the fighting around Adjabiya, went to Afghanistan in 2002 to fight against the "foreign invasion" -- that is, U.S. troops who invaded Afghanistan in retaliation for the September 11 attacks. The Telegraph says al-Hasidi told an Italian newspaper, Il Sole 24 Ore, that he was captured in 2002 in Peshawar, Pakistan. "He was later handed over to the U.S., and then held in Libya before being released in 2008," the Telegraph reports. Al-Hasidi also told the Italian paper he recruited about 25 Libyan men to fight against U.S. forces in Iraq.
Al-Hasidi's story is consistent with evidence presented in a 2007 report published by the Combating Terrorism Center at the U.S. Military Academy in West Point. That report, by professors Joseph Felter and Brian Fishman, examined records of an al Qaeda-affiliated organization found after an October 2007 raid near Sinjar, Iraq. The records contained biographical information about nearly 700 foreign terrorists who came to Iraq to fight against the United States between August 2006 and August 2007.
Felter and Fishman found that the largest portion of foreign fighters, about 41 percent, came to Iraq from Saudi Arabia. The second-largest source of foreign fighters, at nearly 19 percent, was Libya. "Libya contributed far more fighters per capita than any other nationality in the Sinjar records, including Saudi Arabia," the authors conclude. Since previous studies had indicated far fewer Libyan fighters in Iraq, the authors suggest there may have been a "surge" of Libyans into Iraq in the spring and summer of 2007. "The apparent surge in Libyan recruits traveling to Iraq may be linked to the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group's [LIFG] increasingly cooperative relationship with al Qaeda, which culminated in the LIFG official joining al Qaeda on November 3, 2007," the report say.
The Telegraph, citing U.S. and British government sources, reports that Abdel-Hakim al-Hasidi was a member of the LIFG.
The Combating Terrorism Center reports says that Darnah, Libya -- al-Hasidi's hometown-- supplied more foreign fighters to Iraq than any other city, including Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, a city far larger than Darnah. Benghazi, Libya, now a rebel stronghold, was also a major source of Libyan fighters traveling to Iraq. "Both Darnah and Benghazi have long been associated with Islamic militancy in Libya, in particular for an uprising by Islamist organizations in the mid-1990s," the authors report. "The Libyan government blamed the uprising on 'infiltrators from the Sudan and Egypt' and one group -- the Libyan Fighting Group -- claimed to have Afghan veterans in its ranks. The Libyan uprisings became extraordinarily violent. [Libyan strongman Moammar] Gadhafi used helicopter gunships in Benghazi, cut telephone, electricity, and water supplies to Darnah and famously claimed that the militants "deserve to die without trial, like dogs." In the current fighting, Gadhafi has said that the rebels fighting against him are affiliated with al Qaeda, but his claims have found little acceptance.
There is no doubt that the rebels associated with the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group are violent extremists. The Combating Terrorism Center Report found that the Libyans, along with Moroccans, were more likely than others to become suicide bombers once they were in Iraq. The Sinjar records, plus political developments in the 2007 time period, "suggest that Libyan factions (primarily the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group) are increasingly important in al Qaeda," the report says.
Now, it is not clear what portion of the Libyan rebels, who enjoy the backing and assistance of the United States military, have been associated with al Qaeda and attacks on the U.S. in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan. That's one reason critics of the Libya war say the U.S.-led coalition doesn't really know who it's fighting for. But we may learn more in the future, especially if the rebels prevail and some former jihadis find themselves running Libya, courtesy of the United States.
Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2011/03/jihadis-who-fought-us-iraq-afghanistan-now-enjoy-american-support#ixzz1HoQjwnUV
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Re: Libyan Rebels Now Linked to Al Qaeda
Posted by:
Bonehead
()
Date: March 27, 2011 11:20AM
Between the years of WW I and WW II the only liberation philosophy available to the worlds underprivileged was communism. Today, within the Arab world that role is performed by Al Qaeda.
A U.S. style of democracy is not an indication of failure or success. Oil flowing at cheaper prices is the only measure of success.
A U.S. style of democracy is not an indication of failure or success. Oil flowing at cheaper prices is the only measure of success.
POLL- Americans DO NOT TRUST Hillary!
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: March 27, 2011 11:22AM
Bonehead Wrote:
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> A U.S. style of democracy is not an indication of
> failure or success. Oil flowing at cheaper prices
> is the only measure of success.
Stability is step one.
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> A U.S. style of democracy is not an indication of
> failure or success. Oil flowing at cheaper prices
> is the only measure of success.
Stability is step one.
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Re: Libyan Rebels Now Linked to Al Qaeda
Posted by:
Hatemotor
()
Date: March 27, 2011 01:06PM
How's that liberation of Egypt working out,,,don't hear anything now that the situation there is going to shit
Libya will be the same,,,lose a tyrant, get a way worse replacement
This meddling in the Middle East is all about oil, and the social engineering the world tries in this hell hole NEVER WORKS
If we invested all the money we've pissed away there the last 10 years into alternative energy solutions we would be way farther ahead than we are now
Libya will be the same,,,lose a tyrant, get a way worse replacement
This meddling in the Middle East is all about oil, and the social engineering the world tries in this hell hole NEVER WORKS
If we invested all the money we've pissed away there the last 10 years into alternative energy solutions we would be way farther ahead than we are now
Re: Libyan Rebels Now Linked to Al Qaeda
Posted by:
Gonzo
()
Date: March 27, 2011 08:45PM
Bonehead Wrote:
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> Between the years of WW I and WW II the only
> liberation philosophy available to the worlds
> underprivileged was communism. Today, within the
> Arab world that role is performed by Al Qaeda.
Exactly. At this point, it looks like "the enemy of my enemy" is also my enemy.
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> Between the years of WW I and WW II the only
> liberation philosophy available to the worlds
> underprivileged was communism. Today, within the
> Arab world that role is performed by Al Qaeda.
Exactly. At this point, it looks like "the enemy of my enemy" is also my enemy.
Re: Libyan Rebels Now Linked to Al Qaeda
Posted by:
Gravis
()
Date: March 28, 2011 12:24AM
I say we take off and nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
Re: Libyan Rebels Now Linked to Al Qaeda
Posted by:
MrMephisto
()
Date: March 28, 2011 09:23AM
Gravis Wrote:
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> I say we take off and nuke the site from orbit.
> It's the only way to be sure.
Hold on one second. This installation has a substantial dollar value attached to it.
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13 4826 0948 82695 25847. Yes.
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> I say we take off and nuke the site from orbit.
> It's the only way to be sure.
Hold on one second. This installation has a substantial dollar value attached to it.
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13 4826 0948 82695 25847. Yes.
Re: Libyan Rebels Now Linked to Al Qaeda
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: March 29, 2011 10:41AM
But it's OK!
One of Barack "Barry Sotero" Obama's White House aides has credited Obuma and his speeches for fueling the rebellion!
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/mar/28/aide-credits-obama-for-libyans-uprising/
Just a few more airstrikes and a few thousand dead and Libyan women may have the privilege of oppressive Sharia law too!
Great work, Mr. Obama!
One of Barack "Barry Sotero" Obama's White House aides has credited Obuma and his speeches for fueling the rebellion!
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/mar/28/aide-credits-obama-for-libyans-uprising/
Just a few more airstrikes and a few thousand dead and Libyan women may have the privilege of oppressive Sharia law too!
Great work, Mr. Obama!
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Re: Libyan Rebels Now Linked to Al Qaeda
Posted by:
Really..
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Date: March 29, 2011 10:44AM
Of course they are
Re: Libyan Rebels Now Linked to Al Qaeda
Posted by:
inthenoise
()
Date: March 29, 2011 10:55AM
WingNut Wrote:
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> But it's OK!
>
> One of Barack "Barry Sotero" Obama's White House
> aides has credited Obuma and his speeches for
> fueling the rebellion!
>
> http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/mar/28/ai
> de-credits-obama-for-libyans-uprising/
>
> Just a few more airstrikes and a few thousand dead
> and Libyan women may have the privilege of
> oppressive Sharia law too!
>
> Great work, Mr. Obama!
Obama is following orders as was George. Adding thousands of dead civilians to the thousands we are killing in the 'war on terror' is just a drop in the bucket. Its what we do - we invade and kill in the name of defense, liberation, freedom, human rights etc. With the decade-old wars winding down we have to figure out how to support the War Industries some how.
We are just so awesome God Bless America. Just as long as I have my Walmart and teevee who really cares?
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> But it's OK!
>
> One of Barack "Barry Sotero" Obama's White House
> aides has credited Obuma and his speeches for
> fueling the rebellion!
>
> http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/mar/28/ai
> de-credits-obama-for-libyans-uprising/
>
> Just a few more airstrikes and a few thousand dead
> and Libyan women may have the privilege of
> oppressive Sharia law too!
>
> Great work, Mr. Obama!
Obama is following orders as was George. Adding thousands of dead civilians to the thousands we are killing in the 'war on terror' is just a drop in the bucket. Its what we do - we invade and kill in the name of defense, liberation, freedom, human rights etc. With the decade-old wars winding down we have to figure out how to support the War Industries some how.
We are just so awesome God Bless America. Just as long as I have my Walmart and teevee who really cares?
Re: Libyan Rebels Now Linked to Al Qaeda
Posted by:
justsayin
()
Date: March 29, 2011 11:48AM
"Linking" a group to Al Qaeda is like "linking" a show to Kevin Bacon. The White House can be linked to Al Qaeda even without the birther arguments. It is a stupid scare tactic used by the neocons and now sadly being used by Obama.
The speech last night was awful. It was a Bush speech justifying force with new names. It was a Mad Libs sheet written by Karl Rove some staffer must have found left in a desk somewhere. This is not the Hope, and not the Change. Many of us fought long and hard, years, to try to get public health care and single-payer. It takes just days for that money to be launched at foreign, sovereign nations fighting a civil war. Guns win over butter no matter what the party, no matter what the politician it seems.
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"there seems to be a queer...why? To try and further demean a defeated... dumb Tea party... I think we need more... far left folks on a regular basis - Louis Farakhan, Jesse Jackson...Al Sharpton" - Registered Voter, 8/19/2011
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The speech last night was awful. It was a Bush speech justifying force with new names. It was a Mad Libs sheet written by Karl Rove some staffer must have found left in a desk somewhere. This is not the Hope, and not the Change. Many of us fought long and hard, years, to try to get public health care and single-payer. It takes just days for that money to be launched at foreign, sovereign nations fighting a civil war. Guns win over butter no matter what the party, no matter what the politician it seems.
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"She looks pretty good for 12, admit it." - WingNut, 04/24/2012
"I'm racist too. So what?" - Ellipsis 9/16/2011
"If you only knew who I was, and what I was working to do you would...have the decency to tell me I hated my nation and the way of life. I may not agree with...the government...I hate the "government"......" - Firrat 9/1/10
"there seems to be a queer...why? To try and further demean a defeated... dumb Tea party... I think we need more... far left folks on a regular basis - Louis Farakhan, Jesse Jackson...Al Sharpton" - Registered Voter, 8/19/2011
"If your computer is running slow, or you have any other problems, email me at with the problem and i am willing to fix it, for a price of course" - Taylor, spamming FFU on 04/12/2006. "N****rs as slaves again? I think so..." - Taylor, 09/20/2009
Re: Libyan Rebels Now Linked to Al Qaeda
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: March 29, 2011 12:01PM
justsayin Wrote:
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> "Linking" a group to Al Qaeda is like "linking" a
> show to Kevin Bacon. The White House can be
> linked to Al Qaeda even without the birther
> arguments. It is a stupid scare tactic used by
> the neocons and now sadly being used by Obama.
>
> The speech last night was awful. It was a Bush
> speech justifying force with new names. It was a
> Mad Libs sheet written by Karl Rove some staffer
> must have found left in a desk somewhere. This is
> not the Hope, and not the Change. Many of us
> fought long and hard, years, to try to get public
> health care and single-payer. It takes just days
> for that money to be launched at foreign,
> sovereign nations fighting a civil war. Guns win
> over butter no matter what the party, no matter
> what the politician it seems.
Why did you vote for the faggot?
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> "Linking" a group to Al Qaeda is like "linking" a
> show to Kevin Bacon. The White House can be
> linked to Al Qaeda even without the birther
> arguments. It is a stupid scare tactic used by
> the neocons and now sadly being used by Obama.
>
> The speech last night was awful. It was a Bush
> speech justifying force with new names. It was a
> Mad Libs sheet written by Karl Rove some staffer
> must have found left in a desk somewhere. This is
> not the Hope, and not the Change. Many of us
> fought long and hard, years, to try to get public
> health care and single-payer. It takes just days
> for that money to be launched at foreign,
> sovereign nations fighting a civil war. Guns win
> over butter no matter what the party, no matter
> what the politician it seems.
Why did you vote for the faggot?
idontlikebeingrightaboutshitlikethisbutiam
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Re: Libyan Rebels Now Linked to Al Qaeda
Posted by:
Reagan
()
Date: March 29, 2011 01:19PM
Reagan armed the hell of the Taliban, Al Qaeda and mujahideen before, why shouldn't we do it again???
Abandoning a policy of simple harassment of Soviet occupiers, the Reagan team decided secretly to let loose on the Afghan battlefield an array of U.S. high technology and military expertise in an effort to hit and demoralize Soviet commanders and soldiers....
Beginning in 1985, the CIA supplied mujahideen rebels with extensive satellite reconnaissance data of Soviet targets on the Afghan battlefield, plans for military operations based on the satellite intelligence, intercepts of Soviet communications, secret communications networks for the rebels, delayed timing devices for tons of C-4 plastic explosives for urban sabotage, and sophisticated guerrilla attacks, long-range sniper rifles, a targeting device for mortars that was linked to a U.S. Navy satellite, wire-guided anti-tank missiles, and other equipment.
Between 1986 and 1989, the mujahideen were also provided with more than 1,000 state-of-the-art, shoulder-fired Stinger antiaircraft missiles.
By 1987, the annual supply of arms had reached 65,000 tons, and a "ceaseless stream" of CIA and Pentagon officials were
Abandoning a policy of simple harassment of Soviet occupiers, the Reagan team decided secretly to let loose on the Afghan battlefield an array of U.S. high technology and military expertise in an effort to hit and demoralize Soviet commanders and soldiers....
Beginning in 1985, the CIA supplied mujahideen rebels with extensive satellite reconnaissance data of Soviet targets on the Afghan battlefield, plans for military operations based on the satellite intelligence, intercepts of Soviet communications, secret communications networks for the rebels, delayed timing devices for tons of C-4 plastic explosives for urban sabotage, and sophisticated guerrilla attacks, long-range sniper rifles, a targeting device for mortars that was linked to a U.S. Navy satellite, wire-guided anti-tank missiles, and other equipment.
Between 1986 and 1989, the mujahideen were also provided with more than 1,000 state-of-the-art, shoulder-fired Stinger antiaircraft missiles.
By 1987, the annual supply of arms had reached 65,000 tons, and a "ceaseless stream" of CIA and Pentagon officials were
Re: Libyan Rebels Now Linked to Al Qaeda
Posted by:
Registered Voter
()
Date: March 29, 2011 02:13PM
Reagan Wrote:
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> Reagan armed the hell of the Taliban, Al Qaeda and
> mujahideen before, why shouldn't we do it
> again???
>
> Abandoning a policy of simple harassment of Soviet
> occupiers, the Reagan team decided secretly to let
> loose on the Afghan battlefield an array of U.S.
> high technology and military expertise in an
> effort to hit and demoralize Soviet commanders and
> soldiers....
>
> Beginning in 1985, the CIA supplied mujahideen
> rebels with extensive satellite reconnaissance
> data of Soviet targets on the Afghan battlefield,
> plans for military operations based on the
> satellite intelligence, intercepts of Soviet
> communications, secret communications networks for
> the rebels, delayed timing devices for tons of C-4
> plastic explosives for urban sabotage, and
> sophisticated guerrilla attacks, long-range sniper
> rifles, a targeting device for mortars that was
> linked to a U.S. Navy satellite, wire-guided
> anti-tank missiles, and other equipment.
>
> Between 1986 and 1989, the mujahideen were also
> provided with more than 1,000 state-of-the-art,
> shoulder-fired Stinger antiaircraft missiles.
> By 1987, the annual supply of arms had reached
> 65,000 tons, and a "ceaseless stream" of CIA and
> Pentagon officials were
Yeah, it was called the Cold War era. We were in an "undeclared" war with the Soviets over the spread and influence of Communism. Unfortunately or fortunately depending on how you look at it, the Cold War supposedly ended.
If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University
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> Reagan armed the hell of the Taliban, Al Qaeda and
> mujahideen before, why shouldn't we do it
> again???
>
> Abandoning a policy of simple harassment of Soviet
> occupiers, the Reagan team decided secretly to let
> loose on the Afghan battlefield an array of U.S.
> high technology and military expertise in an
> effort to hit and demoralize Soviet commanders and
> soldiers....
>
> Beginning in 1985, the CIA supplied mujahideen
> rebels with extensive satellite reconnaissance
> data of Soviet targets on the Afghan battlefield,
> plans for military operations based on the
> satellite intelligence, intercepts of Soviet
> communications, secret communications networks for
> the rebels, delayed timing devices for tons of C-4
> plastic explosives for urban sabotage, and
> sophisticated guerrilla attacks, long-range sniper
> rifles, a targeting device for mortars that was
> linked to a U.S. Navy satellite, wire-guided
> anti-tank missiles, and other equipment.
>
> Between 1986 and 1989, the mujahideen were also
> provided with more than 1,000 state-of-the-art,
> shoulder-fired Stinger antiaircraft missiles.
> By 1987, the annual supply of arms had reached
> 65,000 tons, and a "ceaseless stream" of CIA and
> Pentagon officials were
Yeah, it was called the Cold War era. We were in an "undeclared" war with the Soviets over the spread and influence of Communism. Unfortunately or fortunately depending on how you look at it, the Cold War supposedly ended.
If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University
Re: Libyan Rebels Now Linked to Al Qaeda
Posted by:
Hindsight
()
Date: March 29, 2011 03:04PM
In hindsight, giving a shitload of US weapons to Bid Laden and Saddam was a big idea!~
Re: Libyan Rebels Now Linked to Al Qaeda
Posted by:
Gravis
()
Date: March 29, 2011 07:16PM
give them guns with an expiration date.
ideas that arent super fancy electronic:
- guns prone mechanical failures after X amount of time/exposure to air/etc.
- critical components that are organic and will decay
- contain a fuel in the stock that cannot be replaced without significant effort (CO2 cartridge?)
- guns that are made so that they cannot be repaired (cant disassemble it into parts)
i think the best option of these making them so that they cannot be disassembled and repaired. the big problem is that there i no time to do this.
the best solution is the only thing we could really do which is to require them to return the guns after they are used.
it's really sad that so many people in the world abuse their power which is really how wars start.
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
ideas that arent super fancy electronic:
- guns prone mechanical failures after X amount of time/exposure to air/etc.
- critical components that are organic and will decay
- contain a fuel in the stock that cannot be replaced without significant effort (CO2 cartridge?)
- guns that are made so that they cannot be repaired (cant disassemble it into parts)
i think the best option of these making them so that they cannot be disassembled and repaired. the big problem is that there i no time to do this.
the best solution is the only thing we could really do which is to require them to return the guns after they are used.
it's really sad that so many people in the world abuse their power which is really how wars start.
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
Re: Libyan Rebels Now Linked to Al Qaeda
Posted by:
Hudson
()
Date: March 29, 2011 07:20PM
Maybe you haven't been keeping up on current events but we just got our asses kicked!
Re: Libyan Rebels Now Linked to Al Qaeda
Posted by:
eesh
()
Date: March 29, 2011 07:24PM
Gravis Wrote:
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> give them guns with an expiration date.
>
> ideas that arent super fancy electronic:
> - guns prone mechanical failures after X amount of
> time/exposure to air/etc.
> - critical components that are organic and will
> decay
> - contain a fuel in the stock that cannot be
> replaced without significant effort (CO2
> cartridge?)
> - guns that are made so that they cannot be
> repaired (cant disassemble it into parts)
>
> i think the best option of these making them so
> that they cannot be disassembled and repaired.
> the big problem is that there i no time to do
> this.
The US had a similar concept in World War II when supplying resistance forces. It was called a Liberator pistol and fired a single round out of an unrifled barrel.
The idea was a civilian would conceal the disposable pistol and get close to an enemy troop, shoot him, and take his service weapons.
In reality the pistol was never a success.
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> give them guns with an expiration date.
>
> ideas that arent super fancy electronic:
> - guns prone mechanical failures after X amount of
> time/exposure to air/etc.
> - critical components that are organic and will
> decay
> - contain a fuel in the stock that cannot be
> replaced without significant effort (CO2
> cartridge?)
> - guns that are made so that they cannot be
> repaired (cant disassemble it into parts)
>
> i think the best option of these making them so
> that they cannot be disassembled and repaired.
> the big problem is that there i no time to do
> this.
The US had a similar concept in World War II when supplying resistance forces. It was called a Liberator pistol and fired a single round out of an unrifled barrel.
The idea was a civilian would conceal the disposable pistol and get close to an enemy troop, shoot him, and take his service weapons.
In reality the pistol was never a success.
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Re: Libyan Rebels Now Linked to Al Qaeda
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: March 29, 2011 08:03PM
eesh Wrote:
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> The US had a similar concept in World War II when
> supplying resistance forces. It was called a
> Liberator pistol and fired a single round out of
> an unrifled barrel.
That looks highly collectible. Probably explode in your hand though.
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> The US had a similar concept in World War II when
> supplying resistance forces. It was called a
> Liberator pistol and fired a single round out of
> an unrifled barrel.
That looks highly collectible. Probably explode in your hand though.
idontlikebeingrightaboutshitlikethisbutiam
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Re: Libyan Rebels Now Linked to Al Qaeda
Posted by:
formerhick76
()
Date: March 29, 2011 11:47PM
The choice we face here is akin to that we had 12 years ago in Kosova: either we trust the tender mercies of Gaddafi (then it was Milosevic) or we attempt to use air power to influence the situation on the ground.
Re: Libyan Rebels Now Linked to Al Qaeda
Posted by:
OFFHim
()
Date: March 30, 2011 02:04PM
I could care less how they take out Gaddafi, that bastard bombed one of our planes is a stain on the earth.
We should of bombed the hell out of him first and then we wouldn't care now.
We should of bombed the hell out of him first and then we wouldn't care now.
Re: Libyan Rebels Now Linked to Al Qaeda
Posted by:
tomahawk
()
Date: March 30, 2011 02:11PM
OFFHim Wrote:
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> I could care less how they take out Gaddafi, that
> bastard bombed one of our planes is a stain on the
> earth.
And why would he want to do that, I wonder?
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> I could care less how they take out Gaddafi, that
> bastard bombed one of our planes is a stain on the
> earth.
And why would he want to do that, I wonder?
Re: Libyan Rebels Now Linked to Al Qaeda
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: March 30, 2011 03:52PM
Remember how the Iraq War was sold by Bush and how we would be "greeted as liberators" by the "Arab street"?
Our government has already jacked off close to $1 Billion.
Let the French, the Italians and Brits be the humanitarian/hero "liberators" for a change. We could have picked Sudan or the Ivory Coast, instead we are doing Europe (Libya's Oil Market) a favor again.
Have we figured out who the rebels we are supporting yet?
Our government has already jacked off close to $1 Billion.
Let the French, the Italians and Brits be the humanitarian/hero "liberators" for a change. We could have picked Sudan or the Ivory Coast, instead we are doing Europe (Libya's Oil Market) a favor again.
Have we figured out who the rebels we are supporting yet?
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Re: Libyan Rebels Now Linked to Al Qaeda
Posted by:
Rest
()
Date: March 30, 2011 03:55PM
WingNut Wrote:
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> Remember how the Iraq War was sold by Bush and how
> we would be "greeted as liberators" by the "Arab
> street"?
>
> Our government has already jacked off close to $1
> Billion.
>
> Let the French, the Italians and Brits be the
> humanitarian/hero "liberators" for a change. We
> could have picked Sudan or the Ivory Coast,
> instead we are doing Europe (Libya's Oil Market) a
> favor again.
>
> Have we figured out who the rebels we are
> supporting yet?
Fuck who they are supporting! They have guns and are over throwing a middle east country, damn it.. therrrre true Americans!
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> Remember how the Iraq War was sold by Bush and how
> we would be "greeted as liberators" by the "Arab
> street"?
>
> Our government has already jacked off close to $1
> Billion.
>
> Let the French, the Italians and Brits be the
> humanitarian/hero "liberators" for a change. We
> could have picked Sudan or the Ivory Coast,
> instead we are doing Europe (Libya's Oil Market) a
> favor again.
>
> Have we figured out who the rebels we are
> supporting yet?
Fuck who they are supporting! They have guns and are over throwing a middle east country, damn it.. therrrre true Americans!