I wonder what the anti-Second Amendment rights people have to say about the situation in East St. Louis. Their frequent argument is who needs guns when we have the police? Besides the obvious that police take minutes when you only have seconds, how to these people propose you defend yourself when the police are not present? Wait until then to try to buy home defense?

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/illinois/article_dfb230c2-9bf3-11df-9731-0017a4a78c22.html

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If the only guns sold were for self defense at home and for game hunters...gun ownership would be no big deal. But the hoarding of guns and ammunition for individual arsenal collection....and assualt waaponry..it's all ridiculous and dangerous.

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Vince(1) Wrote:
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> If the only guns sold were for self defense at
> home and for game hunters...gun ownership would be
> no big deal. But the hoarding of guns and
> ammunition for individual arsenal
> collection....and assualt waaponry..it's all
> ridiculous and dangerous.

Oh yeah, let's all run down to Walmart and buy our assault weapons... oh wait.

Christ (R)V you have no clue - probably 1% or less... like less than .05% of the public at BEST knows how to go about buying assault weapons. Take those folks - and some smaller percentage of them that actually buy assault weapons. The rest of the folks will buy a handgun or two, if that, and probably a shotgun. The hunters will buy a shotgun and a rifle. Wow - fearsome. Whereas the criminals that commit violent crimes are 100% more likely to know where to buy illegal firearms of all types and use them to commit crimes.

You are such a loon. What's ridiculous and dangerous is the disinformation fuckwits like you pass on with your conspiracy theories on how the white man has it in for darky. You and folks like you are the danger to our society (R)V.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University



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Fuck you RV....even the commercials for the gun show in Chantilly last weekend advertised...buy your guns while you still can. It is a fact that people are hoarding guns and ammunition.

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Fuck you RV....even the commercials for the gun
> show in Chantilly last weekend advertised...buy
> your guns while you still can. It is a fact that
> people are hoarding guns and ammunition.


There was a gun show? Damn I missed it! Where did you hear that advertisement - obviously I am not tied in to your sources of info for all us hoarders out here.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
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> > If the only guns sold were for self defense at
> > home and for game hunters...gun ownership would
> be
> > no big deal. But the hoarding of guns and
> > ammunition for individual arsenal
> > collection....and assualt waaponry..it's all
> > ridiculous and dangerous.
>
> Oh yeah, let's all run down to Walmart and buy our
> assault weapons... oh wait.
>
> Christ (R)V you have no clue - probably 1% or
> less... like less than .05% of the public at BEST
> knows how to go about buying assault weapons. Take
> those folks - and some smaller percentage of them
> that actually buy assault weapons. The rest of the
> folks will buy a handgun or two, if that, and
> probably a shotgun. The hunters will buy a shotgun
> and a rifle. Wow - fearsome. Whereas the criminals
> that commit violent crimes are 100% more likely to
> know where to buy illegal firearms of all types
> and use them to commit crimes.
>
> You are such a loon. What's ridiculous and
> dangerous is the disinformation fuckwits like you
> pass on with your conspiracy theories on how the
> white man has it in for darky. You and folks like
> you are the danger to our society (R)V.

You're wasting your time trying to argue anything with Vince. He wouldn't
know the difference between an assault rifle and a muzzle loader and has
no desire to learn let alone read the laws and understand the definitions.
Typical Brady Bunch. Call everything an assault rifle and expect the
non-shooting public to believe it's a WMD.

The White Amerikan Male

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.
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Vince:

Blessed are the murderous.
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vince(1) said:

->If the only guns sold were for self defense at home and for game hunters...gun ownership would be no big deal. But the hoarding of guns and ammunition for individual arsenal collection....and assualt waaponry..it's all ridiculous and dangerous.


Sorry Vince, i's NOT up to you to prohibit gun hoarding. If someone wants to collect guns, that is their RIGHT!

And douchbags like yourself, are gonna have to learn to deal with it.

Oh and lastly Vince - GO BACK TO MEXICO!

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If there are no police, are there criminals?

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> If there are no police, are there criminals?


The police are gone but laws are still there. In any case you have people who aren't hurting or robbing others left alone to fend themselves against those who are. I would like to know what Vince's idea of "hoarding ammunition" is. If when cops are present as normal you bought 200 shotgun shells to store away that may seem like a lot until the police go away and 200 may not be enough.

And Vince I defy you to go to a gun show and find an assault weapon.

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> The police are gone but laws are still there.

well said.

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> And Vince I defy you to go to a gun show and find
> an assault weapon.

excellent use of a word with multiple definitions!

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this thread gets my literary stamp of approval.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

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> If there are no police, are there criminals?

Will there be bullets?

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Fuck you RV....even the commercials for the gun
> show in Chantilly last weekend advertised...buy
> your guns while you still can. It is a fact that
> people are hoarding guns and ammunition.


So what? I have a giant armory of my own, and it's patrolled 24/7 by sentries.

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> The police are gone but laws are still there.


Laws without authority enforcing them would no longer apply. It would be every man for himself. It's kind of one of those Lord of the Flies things. I don't know I haven't read it since high school.

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> So what? I have a giant armory of my own, and it's
> patrolled 24/7 by sentries.


STFU and get that 200# of taters peeled, grunt. You know what happened the last time you touched a weapon. That's right, my gun, Faggot.

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> Laws without authority enforcing them would no
> longer apply. It would be every man for himself.
> It's kind of one of those Lord of the Flies
> things. I don't know I haven't read it since high
> school.

assuming the entire justice system suddenly ceased to exist, people would step up to enforce basic laws themselves. like the ones relating to property theft and violence against the non-violent. enforcement would be on the spot and lethal if caught in the act. however, corporations would exploit people on a mass level and would have paid off the local enforcers and have a private guard of their own. people would turn on the corporations and shit would go downhill. either formal laws would be chartered or the location would become a ghost town. from there, a group would find somewhere to go and found a formal society with a basic legal system with formal law enforcement and all. it would take several revolutions and new societies, each being less oppressive than the last before a free society was finally formed with a fair legal system.

so...
there is a small percentage that would outright defy reasonable laws. a large percentage that would feel no need to conform to some laws for various reasons they would self-justify. the biggest group would be people that follow non-oppressive laws so long as they arent hurting anyone.

the biggest problem is that almost everyone feels entitled to something and are selfish. the result of this is petty squabbles and arguments over things that dont matter. if you are reading this, it's likely that you are one of these people.

i dont like you people.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

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Right back atcha.

If the American People are disarmed, we are fucked.

I understand there are a lot of morons out there with guns, but
a responsible majority should not be punished for it.

I will compromise with people who want to crack down on guns.

Like the process to get a drivers license...

To purchase a gun, you must take and pass not just a written test, but a hands on test. THEN you can purchase a gun.

We can't continue to let just any thug walk into a store, and walk out with a gun just itching to hold it sideways at another human.
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And as far as being comfortable with JUST the police having guns...I don't understand that mentality.

Police take MINUTES to respond, when you only have SECONDS.

Who doesn't want to just snap their fingers and have guns just magically disappear from the face of the earth? We know that is a fantasy.

If you take the guns away from the American People, only criminals will have them.

Johnny Walker Wrote:
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> > The police are gone but laws are still there.
>
>
> Laws without authority enforcing them would no
> longer apply. It would be every man for himself.
> It's kind of one of those Lord of the Flies
> things. I don't know I haven't read it since high
> school.

This is only true in something much larger-scale than a city. When order is restored you can still be tried for crimes, ask the back-shooting cops in New Orleans following Katrina.

I'm waiting for law enforcement to be tried for their crimes during Katrina.

They went door to door confiscating guns from Americans.

During all that chaos and disorder, the American People were unable to defend themselves and their family members from looting, rape, and murder.

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> If the American People are disarmed, we are
> fucked.
>
> I understand there are a lot of morons out there
> with guns, but
> a responsible majority should not be punished for
> it.
>
> I will compromise with people who want to crack
> down on guns.
>
> Like the process to get a drivers license...
>
> To purchase a gun, you must take and pass not just
> a written test, but a hands on test. THEN you can
> purchase a gun.
>
> We can't continue to let just any thug walk into a
> store, and walk out with a gun just itching to
> hold it sideways at another human.


Guns had little to do with any of those people coming to power and/or staying in power.

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Is that a response to the statement you quoted?

If it was, corndogs with mustard.

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It was easier for Stalin, Hitler, and Mao, to round up and exterminate people because they didn't have guns to fight back with.

Is that not accurate?

When the secret police come to your door you don't stand a chance no matter how many guns you have.

I unfortunately agree with you, however, I would like to at least kill one of them. Opposed to none of them.

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> It was easier for Stalin, Hitler, and Mao, to
> round up and exterminate people because they
> didn't have guns to fight back with.
>
> Is that not accurate?


What rather then just shooting them on site? Give me a fucking break...while the jews of warsaw mayhave felt better after their uprising..the fact is all but a handful died and warsaw was destroyed.


What protects us is the rule of law....when the law fails to protect us..as is the case in those instances your cartoon mentioned...guns wont help...watch Gandi for what will.

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.

I RESPECTFULLY disagree with the notion that there is NOT a difference between someone being armed and not being armed when/if the government kicks down your door.

We're all aware of the expression "Don't go down without a fight" ...Do you not subscribe to that quote?

my understanding is that the right to bear arms was not intended to be for home security but rather the ability for citizens to band together and overthrow the government in the event of tyranny.

you might think a few guys fighting the authorities is insane and it is but when you have 100 armed people shit gets serious. when there 1,000 armed people you have an uprising. 10,000 there's a serious shit storm. 100,000 and there is a chance of revolution. 1,000,000 and it's time to get a new flag.

so let's see, if 1 in 300 people have a firearm there is enough for a revolution. if 1 in 300 people have 10 guns then 1 in 30 people can have a gun.

no worries though, the US still has centuries before the shit hits the fan. however, when it does, guns will already be outlawed and it will be the weapons taken from killed police and military personnel that are used in the revolution. with the emergence of advanced technology, war will be very different when able people can devise sensory weapons that do permanent damage (blind or deafen). in short, a new kind of terrorism.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

Study attached from MSNBC today. Which is killing more people? Ban river access and holes and leave law-abiding people alone! And we need laws to outlaw shooting people in the workplace, I'm sure that shooter was breaking some other law though.

And if Obama was creating jobs like he and demokrats promised they would, we wouldn't have people losing all the Hope that HopeBama gave them and resorting to such violence. Chris Dodd needs to quit taking Big Financial Firm kikkbakks and go back to his home state to help his people. Maybe he can be a job counselor.




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> the emergence of advanced technology, war will be
> very different when able people can devise sensory
> weapons that do permanent damage (blind or
> deafen). in short, a new kind of terrorism.


Not permanent damage per se, but I'm sure it can be easily converted.


http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn8275-us-military-sets-laser-phasrs-to-stun.html

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> And if Obama was creating jobs like he and
> demokrats promised they would, we wouldn't have
> people losing all the Hope that HopeBama gave them
> and resorting to such violence.


If the Republicans had let the stimulus be more about infrastructure than tax cuts there would be more jobs.

Demokrats in the white house and with filibuster-proof majorities in the House and Senate at the time they passed the stimulus with whatever they wanted in it. Blaming the Republicans for the content of the stimulus package? Wow, that is rich.

Demokrats complained about their inherited problems, aren't competent to fix anything, and the recovery that has happened is directly traceable to Bush-era programs and fixes. Republicans oversaw the downturn but it looks like they are also the only ones competent to fix it. It is like when the surgeon makes a mistake, you can't have the pink-suited nurses just come in and take over cutting body parts up just because they are in the same building, they just fuck it up more. You need to bring the surgeons back at some point to fix the problem so everyone can move on. This fall we bring the doctors back, thank the nurses for their time, and invite them to take on their role again that is best for all involved.

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> Republicans oversaw the downturn but it looks like
> they are also the only ones competent to fix it.



Yeah, no this is not at all true.

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> > the emergence of advanced technology, war will
> be
> > very different when able people can devise
> sensory
> > weapons that do permanent damage (blind or
> > deafen). in short, a new kind of terrorism.
>
>
> Not permanent damage per se, but I'm sure it can
> be easily converted.
>
>
> http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn8275-us-mili
> tary-sets-laser-phasrs-to-stun.html


this would do it. it could take out chopper dave too. http://www.wickedlasers.com/lasers/Spyder_III_Pro_Arctic_Series-96-37.html

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Accidental eye exposure will definitely result in instant retina tissue damage even within just milliseconds of exposure. Direct eye contact with the beam or reflected will cause instant permanent damage and blindness.

if you packed that into a gun type body, you have a serious weapon.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."