Who didn't know this guy was up to shenanigans?


http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/07/29/rangel.ethics/index.html?hpt=T1

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That's not a ladybug, that's a cannapiller.

not surprised one bit,i did find the line about congressional credibilty insanely funny.do they even realize that the 11% aproval rating is due in large to the fact we think the lot of them are spineless crooks.and all they are doing is putting on a show to make it look like they can police themselves i say a special branch of the FBI is the way to go and lock these shitheals up with afew M.S.

Rangel is a MONGREL

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like it is Wrote:
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> not surprised one bit,i did find the line about
> congressional credibilty insanely funny.do they
> even realize that the 11% aproval rating is due in
> large to the fact we think the lot of them are
> spineless crooks.and all they are doing is putting
> on a show to make it look like they can police
> themselves i say a special branch of the FBI is
> the way to go and lock these shitheals up with
> afew M.S.

It really comes down to when these folks that are getting elected to Congress started feeling like they were some sort of American Royalty. It seems once they are elected to Congress they want to act like they are no longer "normal", but instead become some kind of entitled class. It is apparent in the way they write laws, they insulate themselves from their constituents other than under controlled circumstances, or just vote themselves pay raises, perks and other conditions that are wasteful to the rest of us. They act like the money we pay in taxes is some kind of never ending barrel for them to just pull money out of.

At some point these folks need to have something added to their oath and enforced - like not only are they supposed to uphold and protect the Constitution of the United States, but also the rights, life and liberty of the citizens of the United States. I think they forget that the rest of us even exist other than how much we can add to the budget based on our circumstances.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

I think a very few people spoil the reputation of very many. I think the feeling of entitlement flows upward to our representatives....Congressmen get elected every 2 years...we expect them in their short term to bring home the bacon. If they can enrich our pockets we are willing to look the other way. The 11% approval rating for Congress is a much a reflection of the electorate as the elected.

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> I think a very few people spoil the reputation of
> very many. I think the feeling of entitlement
> flows upward to our representatives....Congressmen
> get elected every 2 years...we expect them in
> their short term to bring home the bacon. If they
> can enrich our pockets we are willing to look the
> other way. The 11% approval rating for Congress
> is a much a reflection of the electorate as the
> elected.

The 11% is very much a reflection of the fact that no matter which party is in power, they don't vote according to the will of the people they represent. They vote for their party special interests, and could give a shit what the rest of us want unless it is to throw us a bone or enact some provision to put us more under the control of their ability to influence our decisions. Congress has lost the ability to put together legislation that "makes sense" anymore - and that has become fully realized under the current democrat control of Congress where they hold a total majority, and still manage to ignore the will of the people, and pass shit for brains legislation. That is why the approval keeps going down, and why Obama has even lost the center and some of his own support. They are not listening to the people - they are just passing BS legislation that is inherently geared to support their largest contributors - at this time the labor unions.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

Once again you are wrong..our Congressman always vote in the majority of local constituents interests...but local interests much like states rights are often contrary to what is best for country as a whole.

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Once again you are wrong..our Congressman always
> vote in the majority of local constituents
> interests...but local interests much like states
> rights are often contrary to what is best for
> country as a whole.


Once again you are full of shit with nothing to back up anything you say. You are wrong (R)V - pure and simple - you stating a lie does not make it any more truthful. Of course in your head, the single brain cell has a hard time distinguishing reality in any case.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> At some point these folks need to have something
> added to their oath and enforced - like not only
> are they supposed to uphold and protect the
> Constitution of the United States, but also the
> rights, life and liberty of the citizens of the
> United States. I think they forget that the rest
> of us even exist other than how much we can add to
> the budget based on our circumstances.


i think if congressional or judicial members do something wrong, there should be grave consequences for those actions.

for example...

if they are charged with a felony, ethics violation, perjury or violation of their oath, they should be immediately suspended from all government activities until it's resolved. if they are convicted, they should be dismissed and have all their (global, not just in the US) assets seized and auctioned off. additionally, all the laws they have put forward, collaborated on creating or had a swing vote on should be put up for immediate review and have to be reasserted as law. finally, a restraining order between them and any government official or affiliate of the government. violating the last condition would be a felony for both them and the person they interact with.

in short, they should have their ass handed to them, find all the bullshit laws they managed to get through and be forced out of anything related to the US government.

it may not stop them from pulling stupid shit but it will put them out of the picture as far as government goes.


but hey, let's face it, the corrupt arent about to help weed out corruption.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Once again you are wrong..our Congressman
> always
> > vote in the majority of local constituents
> > interests...but local interests much like
> states
> > rights are often contrary to what is best for
> > country as a whole.
>
>
> Once again you are full of shit with nothing to
> back up anything you say. You are wrong (R)V -
> pure and simple - you stating a lie does not make
> it any more truthful. Of course in your head, the
> single brain cell has a hard time distinguishing
> reality in any case.


And what are you providing to back up your opinions? You just want an enemy..someone to blame.

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> And what are you providing to back up your
> opinions? You just want an enemy..someone to
> blame.

Which is more based in fact? That our elected representatives are voting for things that people really want, or that they are voting for things that are heavily promoted by special interest groups that have little to do with what day-to-day people are looking for in their lives? That crosses both parties, whether it is corporate interests, or trial lawyers, or labor unions. Labor unions represent less than 20% of the labor in this country, yet they hold a disproportionate sway in elections and the laws that get passed - where they get a lion share of the benefit and everyone else pays for them.

http://www.workforce.com/section/00/article/25/35/29.html
“The future of the unions is the $8-an-hour home health care worker,” says David Gregory, professor of law at St. John’s University. The unions may have regained membership with lower-wage service workers, but they cannot regain the dues lost along with higher-paid jobs, Gregory says.

Though the growth in union membership as a percentage of the workforce is decidedly small—a gain of one-tenth of 1 percent to 12.1 percent of the workforce in 2007 from 12 percent in 2006—it represents the first increase for unions since the Bureau of Labor Statistics began collecting annual union membership rates in 1983, when 20.1 percent of the workforce was unionized.

“Union membership has been falling or stagnant year after year after year,” says Ben Zipperer, a research associate at the Center for Economic and Policy Research in Washington. “But over the past few years, unions have slowed that decline.”

SEIU in particular is the largest health care labor union in the country - it is no wonder they were so keen on seeing us go to single payer so they would be able to hold the Federal government up for their Union demands on benefits and wages - and taxpayers would have been on the hook for it as they would have been one of the largest pools of government employees if it had been passed that way.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

Its amazing that organizations that represent the working men and women in this country can be deamonized..while corporations like BP can be coddled is beyaond me. It does seem as if the multi-million dollars spent by corporations expressing their 1st amendment rights works very well on the labor hating minions like yourself.

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Its amazing that organizations that represent the
> working men and women in this country can be
> deamonized..while corporations like BP can be
> coddled is beyaond me. It does seem as if the
> multi-million dollars spent by corporations
> expressing their 1st amendment rights works very
> well on the labor hating minions like yourself.

Yeah, I notice Obama HANDED the stock ownership of GM to the Labor Unions, after firing the CEO - and then in the case of BP, without any due process demanded they set aside money in a fund. It's great how even handed he is with everyone - but hey, let's not coddle the labor unions huh?

More fucking loon-talk from (R)V. Keep on idiot boy.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

Registered Voter Wrote:

> Yeah, I notice Obama HANDED the stock ownership of
> GM to the Labor Unions, after firing the CEO - and
> then in the case of BP, without any due process
> demanded they set aside money in a fund. It's
> great how even handed he is with everyone - but
> hey, let's not coddle the labor unions huh?
>
> More fucking loon-talk from (R)V. Keep on idiot
> boy.


Ummm yeah...It's not like the 20 BILLION DOLLARS that GM stole from its retiree's health and pension benefits was really important, you know? Fuck em all--just let em go on welfare and then blame Obama.

Yeah, that's coddling all right.

what a rightwing nutjob Wrote:
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> Registered Voter Wrote:
>
> > Yeah, I notice Obama HANDED the stock ownership
> of
> > GM to the Labor Unions, after firing the CEO -
> and
> > then in the case of BP, without any due process
> > demanded they set aside money in a fund. It's
> > great how even handed he is with everyone - but
> > hey, let's not coddle the labor unions huh?
> >
> > More fucking loon-talk from (R)V. Keep on idiot
> > boy.
>
>
> Ummm yeah...It's not like the 20 BILLION DOLLARS
> that GM stole from its retiree's health and
> pension benefits was really important, you know?
> Fuck em all--just let em go on welfare and then
> blame Obama.
>
> Yeah, that's coddling all right.

Yes, while they kept the company afloat - and they borrowed billions of dollars from the federal government. While they paid excessive benefits to the Unions who had to make sure they got the highest wages, fully paid health care, and generous retirement benefits while the company was unable to compete with less expensive overseas competitors who built better vehicles. Sorry, while their corporate masters may have been raiding the til to some extent, the amount of cost injected into the pricing of American automobiles has been heavily driven by union demands for benefits above and beyond what most people in the country have unless they work for the federal government. Go cry me a river somewhere else.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University