* that it was founded by separatists that attacked and killed "loyal Russians" (true?)

* that Ukraine is no longer run by Russians (true?)

* that Ukraine contains resources (such as chernobyl, metals, factories) that belong to russia (true?)

Ukraine contains un-tapped natural resources (that is true)

* that Ukraine WAS (is?) a BREAD BASKET OF RUSSIA that is failing - that is shifting it's economy to not produce or send food to Russia (true?)

(there are growing cities and urban sprawl - see it on google maps)

* that it had been an Oblast benefitting Russia, that cold Russia relied on, and now has anti-Russia motives (such as foreign banks and other businesses that are seeking the fall of russia) (true?)

* THAT Ukraine HAS BECOME A SECURITY THREAT. for example "consideration of working with Turkey to block Russian navy from the black sea". (true?)

* that Russia entered talks for a long time and was told, basically, "pay up for the changes you want, pay to change the politics and business, or fuck off" (true?)

* that Turks are threatening russia and helping Ukraine separatists, were involved in past in threatening that area of europe, and Russia plans to undo recent developements toward that end (true?)

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it seems to me the USA media stopped at "security threats", has stuck to a monologue about sypathy and communism, and hasn't cracked open any of the shelled nuts.

all of the demands were talked over - and Kerry Obama were part of the failed talks

* Ukraine, not led by Russians, has abused Russians and other nationalities (true?)

THIS IS THE WORST ALLEGATION - AND USA NEWS NEVER COVERED IT OR INVESTIGATED

true or false is was simply dropped on the floor

* Ukraine politics is now part of Israel lead by jews (true?)

(i don't think Vladamir cares "who is leading" as long as they are meeting Russia's demands: Russia definitely has many immigrants - i think this issue is just an issue that gets in the way of other issues and makes Russia look bad. i could be wrong)

34tyt34 Wrote:
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> * Ukraine, not led by Russians, has abused
> Russians and other nationalities (true?)
>
> THIS IS THE WORST ALLEGATION - AND USA NEWS NEVER
> COVERED IT OR INVESTIGATED
>
> true or false is was simply dropped on the floor

ON THE DAY OF NEWS RELEASE YOU COULD GOOGLE THIS UP - that Vladamir made this claim

YOU NO LONGER CAN - IT'S FLOODED WITH COUNTER NEWS AND FAKE NEWS


was the claim investigated by any USA media and proven right or wrong? i think no.

another problem: such a statement must have been checked BEFORE a peace talks failed

veryifying the claim or verifying against the claim: is likely now impossible

https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-ukraine-european-court/31372057.html

Russia has filed a complaint against Ukraine with the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) saying Kyiv is responsible for the 2014 crash of a Malaysian airliner and civilian deaths and human rights abuses in Russia and Ukraine.

The filing of the case on July 22 comes exactly five months after Ukraine filed its latest in a series of legal complaints against Moscow at the same court

a list of demands Wrote:
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> * that Ukraine is no longer run by Russians
> (true?)
>


East Germany is no longer run by Russians either

In its complaint, Russia lists a litany of alleged transgressions, blaming Kyiv for civilian deaths during the Euromaidan uprising in 2014 and a conflict with Russian-backed separatists in the country's east that has claimed thousands of lives. Moscow also said that shelling by Ukrainian armed forces in eastern Ukraine had killed and wounded people in southern Russia. (in USA we were told that in 2014 Russia attacked Ukraine - we weren't told Ukraine may have been agressive. so: Russia is claiming Ukraine was trying to expand influence by military in 2014?)

(1990: both are going to claim the separation of Ukraine was the other's fault and the other was no longer part of the real government. in the 1990's USA's media said certain power military generals decided to succeede from USSR. but that USSR has renamed itself after parastroika. these can't be used abuse claims but can be used as a claim Ukraine succeeded, if proven it was not USSR that succeeded. the chance either side ever attempts to prove is not likely)

why should it be? Wrote:
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> East Germany is no longer run by Russians either

:) and is west germany run by USA ?

Ukraine itself has filed nine cases against Russia, including one over the downing of Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 over eastern Ukraine in July 2014.

During the 2014 Euromaidan anti-government rallies that toppled Ukraine's Russian-friendly president, Viktor Yanukovych, 104 people were killed and 2,500 injured as a result of violent crackdowns against the protesters.


that's a real information hit. no doubt the ukraine will counter attack that the protestors were russian backed and violent.

but unlike the finger pointing on an airline crash - this even bears weight. massacres make a difference as to who is bullying who.

34t4y4534 Wrote:
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> :) and is west germany run by USA ?


Some Americans might wish they were, but no they are not.

Why? Real simple, actually.
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The former president, who was secretly flown to Russia and remains there, denies that he ordered police to fire on protesters, saying that the violence was the result of a "planned operation" to overthrow his government. (the evidence against him is obvious. The evidence for him is that he was deposed exactly by the same "protest" or operation)

this situation leads to another another lack of information about hostility, non-loyalty, and liability. One has to know if the even was part of deposing a Russian friendly president or not.

Here is a short and comprehensive description of the reason of the Ukraine-Russia conflict https://www.pissedconsumer.com/blog/2022/02/the-truth-about-ukraine-should-be-known/ , I am sharing for better understanding. By the way, everyone can stop the war just following this instruction:

1. Go to ziplook.house.gov Here you can enter your zip code and find your congressional representative.
2. Call the 202 number listed and ask for your representative’s office.
3. Somebody at your representative’s office will answer. Give them your name and zip code where you live, telling them you’re a constituent. Then share your most passionate thoughts and opinions. These office workers collect constituents’ opinions on various topics, and congressmen use these notes to gauge how they should act and vote. Be polite. Be civil. But be clear that you want your government to represent your feelings – that America must stand with Ukraine and support its struggle against this invasion.