Voter___ Wrote:
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> Republicans are a one trick pony. We all know
> their one and only idea--cut taxes. With taxes
> already at historic lows I just don't think that
> was going to do much. In fact, all we need to do
> is look at the Bush years to see how effective
> that would have been.
>

Yeah, that one idea - to offer payroll tax reduction for hiring new workers. Bad idea that one.

What makes more sense is expanding government spending massively when tax revenues are down. Yeah, that is a one trick pony the Democrats know and use very well. Although this time I think they have outdone themselves.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

What part of elections do you not understand? We tried things your way for 8 years, would up with a big fucking mess, and then voters decided to try some different ideas. In a couple of years you'll have another chance to persuade people to go back to the failed policies of the Bush years.

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> So, in fact, the plan passed was all the Democrats
> ideas - so we know who to blame at this point.
> Their policies are complete and total failures.

Voter___ Wrote:
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> What part of elections do you not understand? We
> tried things your way for 8 years, would up with a
> big fucking mess, and then voters decided to try
> some different ideas. In a couple of years you'll
> have another chance to persuade people to go back
> to the failed policies of the Bush years.

It has been great so far. Next election cycle will very likely be historic in how badly the current party in power will do.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

Actually you will see the first round of fire in about 3.5 months.

The Dems are praying that they dont lose more than 40 seats in the House.



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This gets back to my point about honest discussion. Whatever you think of Obama and his policies there isn't a single thing he has done that has caused anything to be worse for anyone so far. Any economic pain people are feeling now is a hangover from the previous administration. You can make the argument that things will be worse in the future because of Obama's policies, but current measures have only improved since he has been in office.

Anyway, as I said, voters will have a chance to weigh in soon. My advice would be not to confuse how you feel about things with how the general electorate will feel on election day. As someone who was quite certain that voters would send Bush packing in 2004 as a result of the many and varied horrible decisions he had made I was certainly disappointed to see how many people apparently agreed with what he was doing. Of course, those people are a lot harder to find these days.

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> It has been great so far. Next election cycle will
> very likely be historic in how badly the current
> party in power will do.

Voter___ Wrote:
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> This gets back to my point about honest
> discussion. Whatever you think of Obama and his
> policies there isn't a single thing he has done
> that has caused anything to be worse for anyone so
> far. Any economic pain people are feeling now is
> a hangover from the previous administration. You
> can make the argument that things will be worse in
> the future because of Obama's policies, but
> current measures have only improved since he has
> been in office.

How is it that in any discussion of Bush policies, the Democrats refuse to talk about 9/11 and how it played on the economy other than war spending? And during the Bush years, it was much more bipartisan in passing budgets and such, as the Republicans never had as clear control of the Senate. Any honest discussion of where we are should include that - yet you refuse to even note that we lost a large chunk of our economy as a result of 9/11 and the policies that had to come into play. Not to mention the huge blow in consumer confidence. And how about the honest discussion of who truly lies at fault in why the housing bubble was allowed to expand and explode? Sure, financial companies played a part in how bad it was, but the lead up was largely put in place by the Fannie/Freddie backing of undocumented loans and programs. An honest discussion would include all of those factors, and yet the Democrats want to act as if Dodd, and Frank and others (on the finance committees) had nothing to do with it.

>
> Anyway, as I said, voters will have a chance to
> weigh in soon. My advice would be not to confuse
> how you feel about things with how the general
> electorate will feel on election day. As someone
> who was quite certain that voters would send Bush
> packing in 2004 as a result of the many and varied
> horrible decisions he had made I was certainly
> disappointed to see how many people apparently
> agreed with what he was doing. Of course, those
> people are a lot harder to find these days.

It makes much less sense to change leadership in the middle of a war (perceived or otherwise). When you are in a huge economic crisis and it is clear the current administration and Congress don't seem to have any idea what the hell they are doing, it makes much more sense - in particular when it is clear that Congress and the current administration are not listening to the electorate.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

That's a discussion I'd love to have. Bush's response to 9/11 made the economic devastation much worse than it needed to be. Part of Al Qaeda's strategy is to bleed us economically by causing us to overreact to their attacks. We had no choice about taking military action in Afghanistan, but the war in Iraq was completely unnecessary. We can't keep starting wars as a reaction to terrorism, but Republicans don't seem to have realized that yet. Worse though was that Bush wanted to pretend there was no price to doing any of it. Now when we have to deal with economic disaster and military threats from countries like Iran we find we have no money and a military stretched so thin we don't have many options.

Registered Voter Wrote:
>
> How is it that in any discussion of Bush policies,
> the Democrats refuse to talk about 9/11 and how it
> played on the economy other than war spending? And

Voter___ Wrote:
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> That's a discussion I'd love to have. Bush's
> response to 9/11 made the economic devastation
> much worse than it needed to be. Part of Al
> Qaeda's strategy is to bleed us economically by
> causing us to overreact to their attacks. We had
> no choice about taking military action in
> Afghanistan, but the war in Iraq was completely
> unnecessary. We can't keep starting wars as a
> reaction to terrorism, but Republicans don't seem
> to have realized that yet. Worse though was that
> Bush wanted to pretend there was no price to doing
> any of it. Now when we have to deal with economic
> disaster and military threats from countries like
> Iran we find we have no money and a military
> stretched so thin we don't have many options.
>

In hind sight, yes the war in Iraq was completely unnecessary - the thing is, both the Democrats and Republicans voted for it. There was information LONG BEFORE Bush came into office about WMD issues - which was used by Clinton for launching missiles and dropping bombs on Iraq. You can argue endlessly over the hind sight result, but up front there was broad agreement to go in. The fact that Sandy Berger had to go and destroy documents prior to the 9/11 Commission getting hold of them speaks volumes to the misinformation on the entire subject.

Bush didn't "want to pretend" there was no cost. In reality, if we had ANOTHER terrorist attack like 9/11, it would have cost far more than the money we had spent on Iraq by the time Bush left office. It was very possible, highly probable based on history, that Iraq was pushing programs to get WMD, nuclear and other programs moving. Iraq was paying out a lot of money in bribes, and offering lucrative contracts to countries to work against sanctions. While the "yellow cake" issue was brought up, certainly it was not the primary issue as to why Iraq was invaded, even with the Plame incident. If that was case, then Iran should be a no brainer today, as it is clear they intend to develop nuclear weapons, and are even more belligerent than Iraq ever was. And where is our administration today? No where - just basically adopting a policy of "oh well, I guess they will have nuclear weapons soon". And if you believe that is not a dire issue for the US as well as Israel, then you are just deluding yourself.

Afghanistan was a lost cause, and yet Obama moved forward with it. Who knows why, but certainly that will probably cost us more dearly than Iraq at the rate things are going. At least Iraq has a chance - Afghanistan never did. And what else is our military going to do? It is stretched thin, and yet by all accounts these days, we have no threats - right? Our navy was always our projection of force arm - and they are not that heavily involved in the ground action in Iraq or Afghanistan - so again, our primary response mechanism to any new issue is just fine. As far as Iran goes, we would not have sent troops in (most likely) to deal with their threats - as it is our troops are right on their border on two sides. Isn't that a position we would WANT to be in to deal with them NOW? It seems like if we wanted to deal with Iran it could be done very easily.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

no..the thing isnt the republicans and democrats voted for it. The "thing" is we all no Bush would not have accepted any explanantion..any evidence...any offer from Iraq other then show me the WMD. And since they didnt have any...well, the march to war was inevitable. The march was led by Bush...if it wasnt for him the was would never have happened.

It is also a lie that the intelligence all pointed to Iraq having WMD...there was plenty of it contrary...the fact is Bush wouldnt hear of it and actually tried to destroy people who disagreed with his policy. That's the "thing"!

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.

Geez! Didn't that seem like a fast 15 minutes?

Just a final note...this incident isnt the first nor probably the last example of how the radical right..aka...republicans...is/are willing to destroy people/organizations they disagree with....

As it turns out the The Michael Moore wannabe..O'Keefe...heavily edited the tapes released to destroy ACORN. Not shown was when he went in dressed like a college student and told the ACORN workers that he was concerned about his girlfriend being abused by her pimp and the part of the tape about hiding money in a tin can in the backyard was to keep it from her pimp -- not the government.

SO far...no one associated with the ACORN taping have been accused of any crime...except of course the boy genious himself...Mr. O'Keefe.

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.

Genious
It is often the case that IDIOTS describe themselves as 'genious' but are ironically ignorant to the fact that the word is spelt 'genius' - much to the amusement of us intelligent people.

-the Urban Dictionary

Soooooooooo, your an IDIOT Vince(1).

They DID NOT file charges against a COP that just shot a dog that was play fighting with another dog in a public DOG park, and NO CHARGES are filed.

So what's the 'final note' or point, jeanyuss?

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It is a small mindd person who allows himself to be distracted by little things...while allowing the lies of fox "news" to slip through his hands.

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> It is a small mindd person who allows himself to
> be distracted by little things...while allowing
> the lies of fox "news" to slip through his hands.


The only small minded person is you... Get it?
No one cares about what you have to say...


Vince... A day labor... big man on FFXU... Ditch digger real life

Get this...I dont care what anyone thinks about what I say...never have...never will.

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.