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Meade-Dunning Krueger?
Posted by: I wish this was fake news ()
Date: March 28, 2019 03:17PM

I think it has been mentioned before but Meade seems to suffer from the Dunning Kruger effect.


https://thepracticeofpractice.com/2010/06/21/the-dunning-krueger-effect-or/

"As far as I can tell, it works like this: people who are less able (let’s say a beginning musician), don’t have the skills to make a correct assessment of their ability and tend to overrate their expertise. They think they’re better than they are because they lack the awareness to know any better. In addition, they don’t yet have the competence to apply strategies for improvement they don’t think they need. Make sense? Maybe an example will help. I’ve seen this all the time with very young students who finally “get” a simple song and are elated, full of vim and vigor because they think they’re good. And in a sense, they are, they’re better than they once were, they’ve triumphed over something difficult. But they lack the range of experience to clearly understand that they have a loooong way to go. Watch the tryouts for American Idol and you’ll see LOTS of the Dunning Krueger Effect (DKE), some of it quite hilarious or heartbreaking, depending."

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Re: Meade-Dunning Krueger?
Posted by: Amazingh ()
Date: March 28, 2019 04:26PM

I wish this was fake news Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I think it has been mentioned before but Meade
> seems to suffer from the Dunning Kruger effect.
>
>
> https://thepracticeofpractice.com/2010/06/21/the-d
> unning-krueger-effect-or/
>
> "As far as I can tell, it works like this: people
> who are less able (let’s say a beginning
> musician), don’t have the skills to make a
> correct assessment of their ability and tend to
> overrate their expertise. They think they’re
> better than they are because they lack the
> awareness to know any better. In addition, they
> don’t yet have the competence to apply
> strategies for improvement they don’t think they
> need. Make sense? Maybe an example will help.
> I’ve seen this all the time with very young
> students who finally “get” a simple song and
> are elated, full of vim and vigor because they
> think they’re good. And in a sense, they are,
> they’re better than they once were, they’ve
> triumphed over something difficult. But they lack
> the range of experience to clearly understand that
> they have a loooong way to go. Watch the tryouts
> for American Idol and you’ll see LOTS of the
> Dunning Krueger Effect (DKE), some of it quite
> hilarious or heartbreaking, depending."


Meade never said he was the best. Don't put words in his mouth.

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Re: Meade-Dunning Krueger?
Posted by: Reverse Psychology ()
Date: March 28, 2019 04:55PM

I wish this was fake news Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I think it has been mentioned before but Meade
> seems to suffer from the Dunning Kruger effect.
>
>
> https://thepracticeofpractice.com/2010/06/21/the-d
> unning-krueger-effect-or/
>
> "As far as I can tell, it works like this: people
> who are less able (let’s say a beginning
> musician), don’t have the skills to make a
> correct assessment of their ability and tend to
> overrate their expertise. They think they’re
> better than they are because they lack the
> awareness to know any better. In addition, they
> don’t yet have the competence to apply
> strategies for improvement they don’t think they
> need. Make sense? Maybe an example will help.
> I’ve seen this all the time with very young
> students who finally “get” a simple song and
> are elated, full of vim and vigor because they
> think they’re good. And in a sense, they are,
> they’re better than they once were, they’ve
> triumphed over something difficult. But they lack
> the range of experience to clearly understand that
> they have a loooong way to go. Watch the tryouts
> for American Idol and you’ll see LOTS of the
> Dunning Krueger Effect (DKE), some of it quite
> hilarious or heartbreaking, depending."

This New Age article was clearly written for people who aren't very good at music to feel better at themselves. Most people DO know when they suck , and they want some reassurance. Hmm... gee I think I am terrible at music, so it must mean I'm really good! Because this article confirms it. See how that works in reverse?

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Re: Meade-Dunning Krueger?
Posted by: Meade is shitty and you know it ()
Date: March 28, 2019 06:17PM

Amazingh Wrote:
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> Meade never said he was the best. Don't put words
> in his mouth.


Don't put words in the article's mouth.

Meade has mentioned on several occasions how he is destined to be a star.

It is his 'calling' and how he must share his gift with the world.

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Re: Meade-Dunning Krueger?
Posted by: prev poster is right ()
Date: March 28, 2019 07:34PM

Meade is shitty and you know it Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Amazingh Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > Meade never said he was the best. Don't put
> words
> > in his mouth.
>
>
> Don't put words in the article's mouth.
>
> Meade has mentioned on several occasions how he is
> destined to be a star.
>
> It is his 'calling' and how he must share his gift
> with the world.


Meade routinely claims to be far superior musically to lots of actual musicians.

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Re: Meade-Dunning Krueger?
Posted by: Reginald Wentworth III ()
Date: March 28, 2019 08:09PM

prev poster is right Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Meade is shitty and you know it Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Amazingh Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> >
> > > Meade never said he was the best. Don't put
> > words
> > > in his mouth.
> >
> >
> > Don't put words in the article's mouth.
> >
> > Meade has mentioned on several occasions how he
> is
> > destined to be a star.
> >
> > It is his 'calling' and how he must share his
> gift
> > with the world.
>
>
> Meade routinely claims to be far superior
> musically to lots of actual musicians.


Exactly and he fuels his own DKE effect by purposely NOT performing around, or even hearing, other musicians. He has never been an opening act, or had one. He has no interest in honing his skills or even learning to read music.

He has never played a festival where the other performers were more than grandmas tap dancing and a kids karate demonstration.

While other musicians find peers to respect, Meade stays away and convinces himself he is better than the Beatles or Justin Bieber and then openly disparages them. I mean for god's sake, he busted on Willie Nelson!


I know a lady singer from Texas. She was performing at place in Austin when a guy approached her and said he was Willie's grandson. She was very cautious but the owner of the bar told her it was true.

It was after midnight and he drove her to Willie's place to meet him. They walked in and there was Willie playing poker with some of the most famous musicians in the area and a couple visiting.

She was introduced and so nervous she stuttered. The grandson said he saw her sing and was pretty good.

So she shook Willie's hand and the other famous musicians in the room and then apologized for disturbing them. She said she should be on her way.

As she turned around, Willie said "Stop! You are a singer. You aint leaving till you sing us a song!"

There she was in the home of American royalty, Willie Nelson, with other famous musicians etc in the room, and she was expected to sing. Talk about pressure.

She then mustered up all the courage and sang and original song. At the end Willie smiled, winked at her and said "your good darling".

No funny stuff happened. The grandson gave her a ride back to her hotel. And she said everyone in the room was a complete gentleman or gentlewoman to her.

And Meade disparages Willie.

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Re: Meade-Dunning Krueger?
Posted by: Laws of Days ()
Date: March 28, 2019 10:31PM

Reginald Wentworth III Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> prev poster is right Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Meade is shitty and you know it Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Amazingh Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > >
> > > > Meade never said he was the best. Don't put
> > > words
> > > > in his mouth.
> > >
> > >
> > > Don't put words in the article's mouth.
> > >
> > > Meade has mentioned on several occasions how
> he
> > is
> > > destined to be a star.
> > >
> > > It is his 'calling' and how he must share his
> > gift
> > > with the world.
> >
> >
> > Meade routinely claims to be far superior
> > musically to lots of actual musicians.
>
>
> Exactly and he fuels his own DKE effect by
> purposely NOT performing around, or even hearing,
> other musicians. He has never been an opening act,
> or had one. He has no interest in honing his
> skills or even learning to read music.
>
> He has never played a festival where the other
> performers were more than grandmas tap dancing and
> a kids karate demonstration.
>
> While other musicians find peers to respect, Meade
> stays away and convinces himself he is better than
> the Beatles or Justin Bieber and then openly
> disparages them. I mean for god's sake, he busted
> on Willie Nelson!
>
>
> I know a lady singer from Texas. She was
> performing at place in Austin when a guy
> approached her and said he was Willie's grandson.
> She was very cautious but the owner of the bar
> told her it was true.
>
> It was after midnight and he drove her to Willie's
> place to meet him. They walked in and there was
> Willie playing poker with some of the most famous
> musicians in the area and a couple visiting.
>
> She was introduced and so nervous she stuttered.
> The grandson said he saw her sing and was pretty
> good.
>
> So she shook Willie's hand and the other famous
> musicians in the room and then apologized for
> disturbing them. She said she should be on her
> way.
>
> As she turned around, Willie said "Stop! You are a
> singer. You aint leaving till you sing us a song!"
>
>
> There she was in the home of American royalty,
> Willie Nelson, with other famous musicians etc in
> the room, and she was expected to sing. Talk about
> pressure.
>
> She then mustered up all the courage and sang and
> original song. At the end Willie smiled, winked at
> her and said "your good darling".
>
> No funny stuff happened. The grandson gave her a
> ride back to her hotel. And she said everyone in
> the room was a complete gentleman or gentlewoman
> to her.
>
> And Meade disparages Willie.

Meade is a really good singer and songwriter and keyboardist. He is always working on new songs and ways to improve his craft. He has said many times he doesn't claim to be the greatest musician ever. He just questions the idolization of certain people- and rightfully so.

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Re: Meade-Dunning Krueger?
Posted by: Reginald Wentworth III ()
Date: March 29, 2019 07:24AM

Laws of Days Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Reginald Wentworth III Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > prev poster is right Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Meade is shitty and you know it Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Amazingh Wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > > -----
> > > >
> > > > > Meade never said he was the best. Don't
> put
> > > > words
> > > > > in his mouth.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Don't put words in the article's mouth.
> > > >
> > > > Meade has mentioned on several occasions
> how
> > he
> > > is
> > > > destined to be a star.
> > > >
> > > > It is his 'calling' and how he must share
> his
> > > gift
> > > > with the world.
> > >
> > >
> > > Meade routinely claims to be far superior
> > > musically to lots of actual musicians.
> >
> >
> > Exactly and he fuels his own DKE effect by
> > purposely NOT performing around, or even
> hearing,
> > other musicians. He has never been an opening
> act,
> > or had one. He has no interest in honing his
> > skills or even learning to read music.
> >
> > He has never played a festival where the other
> > performers were more than grandmas tap dancing
> and
> > a kids karate demonstration.
> >
> > While other musicians find peers to respect,
> Meade
> > stays away and convinces himself he is better
> than
> > the Beatles or Justin Bieber and then openly
> > disparages them. I mean for god's sake, he
> busted
> > on Willie Nelson!
> >
> >
> > I know a lady singer from Texas. She was
> > performing at place in Austin when a guy
> > approached her and said he was Willie's
> grandson.
> > She was very cautious but the owner of the bar
> > told her it was true.
> >
> > It was after midnight and he drove her to
> Willie's
> > place to meet him. They walked in and there was
> > Willie playing poker with some of the most
> famous
> > musicians in the area and a couple visiting.
> >
> > She was introduced and so nervous she
> stuttered.
> > The grandson said he saw her sing and was
> pretty
> > good.
> >
> > So she shook Willie's hand and the other famous
> > musicians in the room and then apologized for
> > disturbing them. She said she should be on her
> > way.
> >
> > As she turned around, Willie said "Stop! You are
> a
> > singer. You aint leaving till you sing us a
> song!"
> >
> >
> > There she was in the home of American royalty,
> > Willie Nelson, with other famous musicians etc
> in
> > the room, and she was expected to sing. Talk
> about
> > pressure.
> >
> > She then mustered up all the courage and sang
> and
> > original song. At the end Willie smiled, winked
> at
> > her and said "your good darling".
> >
> > No funny stuff happened. The grandson gave her
> a
> > ride back to her hotel. And she said everyone
> in
> > the room was a complete gentleman or
> gentlewoman
> > to her.
> >
> > And Meade disparages Willie.
>
> Meade is a really good singer and songwriter and
> keyboardist. He is always working on new songs and
> ways to improve his craft. He has said many times
> he doesn't claim to be the greatest musician ever.
> He just questions the idolization of certain
> people- and rightfully so.


I am not sure what basis you are using to classify him as a "really good singer" etc

And why does Meade question the idolization of ceretain people? He himself idolizes Donald Trump, so it is not a "false god" thing to him

The reasons he questions is he feels they have something he believes is rightfully his.

Let's say. for the sake of argument, Meade is a slightly above average singer. I know that is a stretch, but let us pretent. What has he done with the talent? Not much. Where is he performing this weekend? Does he write a song, rewrite it, practise, tweek, invite friends over and ask for their input. No he doesn't.

I have several friends who are singer songwriters. When they pen a few new songs, they have a little party. It is a subdued affair where we sit around with wine and cheese and the songwrter plays his or her new songs. They are played one a time and each song will be played many times. The audience is expected to chime in and stop, make suggestions, say "it would be better with a diffent intro" etc It is a working party that the songwriter uses to get the song to be a good as possible.

Has Meade ever done anything simillar? His response is always "I have a new song. I hope you like it".

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Re: Meade-Dunning Krueger?
Posted by: love trumps hate ()
Date: March 29, 2019 09:35AM

funny watching these jealous libtards try to rationalise their bitter hatred just because meade is better than you. maybe try practising? that's what meade does.

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Re: Meade-Dunning Krueger?
Posted by: Where are the bodies? ()
Date: March 29, 2019 10:43AM

love trumps hate Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> funny watching these jealous libtards try to
> rationalise their bitter hatred just because meade
> is better than you. maybe try practising? that's
> what meade does.

Politics!!! Goody, Goody Gumdrops.

Inserting politics is always a 'winning' move, so I shan't be commenting on that nonsense.

Music lovers talk about music. We also support the musicians we like listening to. A majority of a musician's audience are non-musicians. Is the best one can do is compare Meade's slight musical achievements to those completely outside the field of music? If so, you just kind of lost the argument. Meade needs to be compared to professional musicians. That is where Meade comes up short.

In the long run, it doesn't matter what this forum says about Meade. If Meade has an audience, where is it? 5000-6000 people did view "Sweet Tea" on youtube. so we know Meade has been heard. However, that hasn't translated into much of a following if any at all. If 'Sweet Tea' was actually a masterpiece word of mouth would have made it more popular.

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Re: Meade-Dunning Krueger?
Posted by: His own Path ()
Date: March 29, 2019 12:11PM

Reginald Wentworth III Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Laws of Days Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Reginald Wentworth III Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > prev poster is right Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Meade is shitty and you know it Wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > > -----
> > > > > Amazingh Wrote:
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > -----
> > > > >
> > > > > > Meade never said he was the best. Don't
> > put
> > > > > words
> > > > > > in his mouth.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Don't put words in the article's mouth.
> > > > >
> > > > > Meade has mentioned on several occasions
> > how
> > > he
> > > > is
> > > > > destined to be a star.
> > > > >
> > > > > It is his 'calling' and how he must share
> > his
> > > > gift
> > > > > with the world.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Meade routinely claims to be far superior
> > > > musically to lots of actual musicians.
> > >
> > >
> > > Exactly and he fuels his own DKE effect by
> > > purposely NOT performing around, or even
> > hearing,
> > > other musicians. He has never been an opening
> > act,
> > > or had one. He has no interest in honing his
> > > skills or even learning to read music.
> > >
> > > He has never played a festival where the
> other
> > > performers were more than grandmas tap
> dancing
> > and
> > > a kids karate demonstration.
> > >
> > > While other musicians find peers to respect,
> > Meade
> > > stays away and convinces himself he is better
> > than
> > > the Beatles or Justin Bieber and then openly
> > > disparages them. I mean for god's sake, he
> > busted
> > > on Willie Nelson!
> > >
> > >
> > > I know a lady singer from Texas. She was
> > > performing at place in Austin when a guy
> > > approached her and said he was Willie's
> > grandson.
> > > She was very cautious but the owner of the
> bar
> > > told her it was true.
> > >
> > > It was after midnight and he drove her to
> > Willie's
> > > place to meet him. They walked in and there
> was
> > > Willie playing poker with some of the most
> > famous
> > > musicians in the area and a couple visiting.
> > >
> > > She was introduced and so nervous she
> > stuttered.
> > > The grandson said he saw her sing and was
> > pretty
> > > good.
> > >
> > > So she shook Willie's hand and the other
> famous
> > > musicians in the room and then apologized for
> > > disturbing them. She said she should be on
> her
> > > way.
> > >
> > > As she turned around, Willie said "Stop! You
> are
> > a
> > > singer. You aint leaving till you sing us a
> > song!"
> > >
> > >
> > > There she was in the home of American
> royalty,
> > > Willie Nelson, with other famous musicians
> etc
> > in
> > > the room, and she was expected to sing. Talk
> > about
> > > pressure.
> > >
> > > She then mustered up all the courage and sang
> > and
> > > original song. At the end Willie smiled,
> winked
> > at
> > > her and said "your good darling".
> > >
> > > No funny stuff happened. The grandson gave
> her
> > a
> > > ride back to her hotel. And she said everyone
> > in
> > > the room was a complete gentleman or
> > gentlewoman
> > > to her.
> > >
> > > And Meade disparages Willie.
> >
> > Meade is a really good singer and songwriter
> and
> > keyboardist. He is always working on new songs
> and
> > ways to improve his craft. He has said many
> times
> > he doesn't claim to be the greatest musician
> ever.
> > He just questions the idolization of certain
> > people- and rightfully so.
>
>
> I am not sure what basis you are using to classify
> him as a "really good singer" etc
>
> And why does Meade question the idolization of
> ceretain people? He himself idolizes Donald Trump,
> so it is not a "false god" thing to him
>
> The reasons he questions is he feels they have
> something he believes is rightfully his.
>
> Let's say. for the sake of argument, Meade is a
> slightly above average singer. I know that is a
> stretch, but let us pretent. What has he done with
> the talent? Not much. Where is he performing this
> weekend? Does he write a song, rewrite it,
> practise, tweek, invite friends over and ask for
> their input. No he doesn't.
>
> I have several friends who are singer songwriters.
> When they pen a few new songs, they have a little
> party. It is a subdued affair where we sit around
> with wine and cheese and the songwrter plays his
> or her new songs. They are played one a time and
> each song will be played many times. The audience
> is expected to chime in and stop, make
> suggestions, say "it would be better with a
> diffent intro" etc It is a working party that the
> songwriter uses to get the song to be a good as
> possible.
>
> Has Meade ever done anything simillar? His
> response is always "I have a new song. I hope you
> like it".


Just becaus your musician friends do it that way, doesn't mean Meade should do it that way. Each person is different, and each musician has their own way of doing things. There is no one way to practice or write a song. Meade's songs sound inspired to me.

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Re: Meade-Dunning Krueger?
Posted by: Genre Listener ()
Date: March 29, 2019 12:15PM

My honest opinion, I don't care for Meade's style of music, and much of what I've heard, but can he sing well ? YES. Can he play instruments well? YES. Can he write songs? YES. It all comes down to personal preference. If you're not into the style then it's more likely you won't find the artist to be talented.

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Re: Meade-Dunning Krueger?
Posted by: Another empty audience ()
Date: March 29, 2019 12:30PM

Genre Listener Wrote:
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> My honest opinion, I don't care for Meade's style
> of music, and much of what I've heard, but can he
> sing well ? YES. Can he play instruments well?
> YES. Can he write songs? YES. It all comes down
> to personal preference. If you're not into the
> style then it's more likely you won't find the
> artist to be talented.


The problem isn't that Meade is in a genre that few like to listen to. The problem is that even people who enjoy that genre, don't enjoy Meade.

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Re: Meade-Dunning Krueger?
Posted by: Meade is good country ()
Date: March 29, 2019 12:42PM

Another empty audience Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Genre Listener Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > My honest opinion, I don't care for Meade's
> style
> > of music, and much of what I've heard, but can
> he
> > sing well ? YES. Can he play instruments well?
> > YES. Can he write songs? YES. It all comes
> down
> > to personal preference. If you're not into the
> > style then it's more likely you won't find the
> > artist to be talented.
>
>
> The problem isn't that Meade is in a genre that
> few like to listen to. The problem is that even
> people who enjoy that genre, don't enjoy Meade.


Not true. I know lots of people who won't go near MOdern Country music genre, but somehow they do like Meade!

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Re: Meade-Dunning Krueger?
Posted by: Where are the bodies? ()
Date: March 29, 2019 12:54PM

Meade is good country Wrote:
\
> Not true. I know lots of people who won't go near
> MOdern Country music genre, but somehow they do
> like Meade!


They don't seem to be buying his records, going to his concerts or watching his youtube videos.

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Re: Meade-Dunning Krueger?
Posted by: Reginald Wentworth III ()
Date: March 29, 2019 09:06PM

love trumps hate Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> funny watching these jealous libtards try to
> rationalise their bitter hatred just because meade
> is better than you. maybe try practising? that's
> what meade does.


He hasn't had a real paid gig, at a real venue in years.

I go to my paid job everyday, and they pay me.

I come home and give my money to my wife and she is happy.

I think Meade would be jealous of me.

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Re: Meade-Dunning Krueger?
Posted by: Reginald Wentworth III ()
Date: March 29, 2019 09:08PM

Meade is good country Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Another empty audience Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Genre Listener Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > My honest opinion, I don't care for Meade's
> > style
> > > of music, and much of what I've heard, but
> can
> > he
> > > sing well ? YES. Can he play instruments
> well?
> > > YES. Can he write songs? YES. It all comes
> > down
> > > to personal preference. If you're not into
> the
> > > style then it's more likely you won't find
> the
> > > artist to be talented.
> >
> >
> > The problem isn't that Meade is in a genre that
> > few like to listen to. The problem is that even
> > people who enjoy that genre, don't enjoy Meade.
>
>
> Not true. I know lots of people who won't go near
> MOdern Country music genre, but somehow they do
> like Meade!

Lots of people who have no way of helping Meade lose his virginity or get a paying gig. They are kind of useless then arent they?

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Re: Meade-Dunning Krueger?
Posted by: Quit spreading fake news ()
Date: March 29, 2019 09:14PM

Reginald Wentworth III Wrote:
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> He hasn't had a real paid gig, at a real venue in
> years.
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Quit spreading fake news.
Meade had two whole paying gigs last year.
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Re: Meade-Dunning Krueger?
Posted by: BEH ()
Date: March 29, 2019 10:52PM

Here is Meade Skeleton accused of yet another form of retardation, Dunning Krueger to go along with his Asburgers.

But a retard is a retard, and they should all be institutionalized anyway.

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