But seriously, I can quote BLS statistics all day long without mentioning the fact that the faux hyperstimulation of the economy that created the trickle-down illusion of prosperity by its citizens PLUS the record deficit, record foreign borrowing and the two wars were the precipitating factors behind the statistics that I so quote.

I wish I weren't so short-sighted and actually understood the things I quote. I blame the internet.

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> conVince,
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> What good ever came out of the Bush administration
> from 2001 to 2006 when they had control of
> everything?

A buildup of our intelligence defenses that Klinton and his intern-loving kock drew down so badly that we got airplanes into buildings as a reward. Obama is trying to gut our intelligence efforts even more by calling them out as traitors to our country. I want to throw up just thinking about the damage done.

And the trend is going ever south with these demokrats. Deficits up, WAY up in the three years they have controlled kongress. Unemployment down and falling faster now that Obama has been in office over a year and the demokrats now over three years. Trends are not looking up, "the change" has only been change for the worse. "The Hope" is only the hope that demokrats will lose control of their closed-door, back room deal korrupt kongress with this year's elections.

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There is nothing inherently good of bad about a deficit. There is a time for the federal governemnt to stimulate the economy and a time not to. The difference between those times is lost on republicans who wouldnt know good economic policy if it landed on their heads.

Here's a hint for all you republican pin-heads. If raising taxes during a recession is bad...lowering them during the "good times" is just as bad! Now which political party understands that concept and which doesnt?

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.

Bureau of Labor Statistics Wrote:
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> But seriously, I can quote BLS statistics all day
> long without mentioning the fact that the faux
> hyperstimulation of the economy that created the
> trickle-down illusion of prosperity by its
> citizens PLUS the record deficit, record foreign
> borrowing and the two wars were the precipitating
> factors behind the statistics that I so quote.
>

This is a valid discussion. The fact is the Federal deficit has been shielding the reality that since the 2000 recession, America hasn't been generating new jobs as a result of wealth creation. Instead, the Federal government has been subsidizing job creation (first through war spending and the housing bubble - artificially low rates and overly lax regulation - and now through the stimulus package).

America's ability to generate wealth has been exported to India and China. Fundamental economics dictates that wealth is generated when raw materials are processed into value-added items through manufacturing or some other method. That doesn't take place in America now on the scale needed to maintain our current standard of living. Instead, we are shipping our raw resources and garbage to China to be processed while Americans work as door-greeters at Wal-Mart. It is an unsustainable model.

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That vile scumbag teddy kennedy is spinning in his putrid grave! so much for the so-called kennedy mystique!

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> America's ability to generate wealth has been
> exported to India and China. Fundamental economics
> dictates that wealth is generated when raw
> materials are processed into value-added items
> through manufacturing or some other method. That
> doesn't take place in America now on the scale
> needed to maintain our current standard of living.
> Instead, we are shipping our raw resources and
> garbage to China to be processed while Americans
> work as door-greeters at Wal-Mart. It is an
> unsustainable model.

I have made that point here many times. As a country we produce nothing of value. The entertainment industry and the financial sectors are the biggest revenue generators these days (it seems), and the industrial base of our country has gone to shit. We produce a lot of food, but we actually pay folks to produce less food to artificially inflate commodity prices. Companies large and small have outsourced or moved much of their operations overseas, even the tech support folks live mostly in India and Canada these days. Much of that is due to lower labor costs, lower costs to procure raw materials (since we do not allow for as much "in country" production of these materials anymore), lower insurance and related costs, etc. You can't blame these folks for wanting a better bottom line - but at the same time you have to wonder at the mentality that allowed us to get to this point. Arguably it is a combination of influences that brought this about - labor, environmental issues, international pressures - things like NAFTA probably didn't help.

The thing though - we have to work to compete globally, and bring prosperity to all corners of the globe. That is really something we should all realize at some level - not that we should pay for it for the rest of the world, but we should certainly continue developing technologies that will make it less expensive and easier for other countries to develop their own infrastructure and move forward. We don't need to have some global socialist Kumbaya - but we should keep reminding folks that part our responsibility is to the rest of the world. We can't put super protectionist policies in place - that will just exacerbate the problem - but we should make a commitment to develop our own natural resources while we work to make the required technology improvements to refocus our economic base. We also need to get back to basics and stop trying to manipulate resource usage by the rest of the world with some thought in the back of our minds that we will eventually develop ours when the rest of the world starts getting short on theirs.

Pollution = bad, but development of new technologies that help us move ahead while keeping pollution minimized is good. Cheaper and more affordable energy will help. Not just fossil fuels - nuclear, fusion, solar, etc - but the fossil fuels will get us through the transition. Folks need to get over themselves - the world has seen numerous species come and go - we can try to minimize loss when we can, but every day we see new species show up and thriving. We need to be good stewards - but that doesn't mean we can't move forward responsibly and redevelop our industrial base. And that is what we are going to need to do if we want to move out of this mess in the long term.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

Well..the 2 caballeros with me on their minds are quite the reasonable pair.

RV...who has an absolute obsession in disproving any relationship between human activity and global warming and who more then implies global warming is in fact nothing more then a liberal conspiracy....who accuses the majority of the world's leading scientist are either corrupt or buffons....thinks we need to use more then fossil fuels!

The logical question to ask...when there is no harm in using fossil based fuels... why/how do we need to invest in nuclear, fusion, solar, etc when fossil based are so cheap. What mechanisms do we use to introduce these more expensve fuels into the economy? It's not just going to happen! The feredarl governement has a role in this...by providing some sort of stimulus, That stimulus could be in tax cuts/credits...R&D money, but you had better hope the Governemt picks the right technologies to stimulate.

Another approach is to use the market place decide...put a price on carbon emmissions...allow companies to pick and choose which approach to support by their purchase of carbon credits.

RV's cavalier attitude on the extinction of species...is absolute arrogance, a lie, and just stupid. It assumes that it is not human life that may be the species ultimately challenged. But then again I am sure he is positive that we a re smart enough to manage the extinction of one species over another.

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.