Go Scott Brown!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nEoW-P81-0

Nice video, and I hope he wins...but wtf does this have to do with Fairfax?

It has to do with the ENTIRE country. If he wins, he is the 41st vote for the Republicans so they can defeat this Health Bill, Cap and Tax, and Stimulus #3!

If only it were that simple.

Vote early, and vote often!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZwng4omanI

I lived in Boston for almost 30 years, recently. I'll be surprised if this guy wins. But if he does, the state will not certify the vote until after the health care vote, so he won't be able to stop it. However, if the Democrat wins they will have her seated and voting immediately. You watch.

That Coakley chick is a fucking train wreck. I can't understand why the Democrats would pick a clueless bitch like that for this election.



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WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> I can't understand why the Democrats would pick a
> clueless bitch like that for this election.


Another demokrat apologist. If you were not a demokrat partisan you would have said "I can't understand why the demokrats are so clueless that they would pick a bitch like that for this election."

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conVince Wrote:
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> WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
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> > I can't understand why the Democrats would pick
> a
> > clueless bitch like that for this election.
>
>
> Another demokrat apologist. If you were not a
> demokrat partisan you would have said "I can't
> understand why the demokrats are so clueless that
> they would pick a bitch like that for this
> election."


How am I being an apologist for saying I don't understand why the Dems picked her? Unlike Republicans like you, who can't admit that Palin is a fucking whack job, I can recognize when a Dem candidate sucks.

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I think he is just calling you an appologist.
He also states you are a Demokrat "partisan", in which I thinks he is trying to say you have a partisan attitude even though you realize not only is the figure you speak of a bad pick, but you fail to understand its idealogical flaws of the Democratic party as a whole and you and other "Dems" refuse to accept this but act as though your dealing with just one bad apple in the bunch. Displaying a "partisan" attitude like I believe he was suggesting.

Libs = Suck Wrote:
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> I think he is just calling you an appologist.
> He also states you are a Demokrat "partisan", in
> which I thinks he is trying to say you have a
> partisan attitude even though you realize not only
> is the figure you speak of a bad pick, but you
> fail to understand its idealogical flaws of the
> Democratic party as a whole and you and other
> "Dems" refuse to accept this but act as though
> your dealing with just one bad apple in the bunch.
> Displaying a "partisan" attitude like I believe he
> was suggesting.


Ideological flaws like winning two world wars, creating Social Security, curing polio and putting man on the moon? Those ideological flaws?

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Your talking about alleged accomplishments, not IDEOLOGIES.

497 RWhp turbo/ NOS Wrote:
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> Your talking about alleged accomplishments, not
> IDEOLOGIES.


IDEOLOGIES that led to these accomplishments.

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Rebecca Wrote:
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> It has to do with the ENTIRE country. If he wins,
> he is the 41st vote for the Republicans so they
> can defeat this Health Bill, Cap and Tax, and
> Stimulus #3!


Republikans..the party of "Just say no!"

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.

I am not a Republican, however, in the cases of these three items, I will go with being part of "Just saying no!" The majority of Americans do not want these passed and neither of the two major parties are listening. Everyone in congress needs to go and we need to vote for those who represent us. If a Republican (who I do not agree with on all issues - but no one agrees with anyone completely) can win in the bluest of blue states it means that people have to go back to the table and actually talk to each other. Perhaps even listen to us. They might even listen to you, Vince (heh). I vote for the person, not the party.

What Massachusetts (whose "Independent" voters are more than the Republicans and Democrats combined) understands right now is that we need some check and balance.

By the way, there are many ideas I do agree with the Rebublicans on. Things that can be done right away without losing our freedoms with mandates (the worst thing about the healthcare bill proposed). Crossing state lines with options, stopping illegal immigration, tort reform, to name a few....things that don't take away freedoms and could lower the cost of healthcare and get it to more people (verifyable Americans). Those ideas are not "no" they are alternatives that since they are in the minority are not being taken seriously. With this group in office, it is socialism or nothing.

Those in Massachusetts already have universal healthcare and are among the highest tax payers in the country. They have a unique perspective. If they vote in a Republican who says he will be the 41st vote against the bill and will force congress to begin to talk comprimise, then I am all for it.

They can't even run the post office and they want to take over 1/6 th of our economy! (Have you ever had healthcare treatment at Ft. Belvoir?)

Be real. I want to be in control of my own life. The less government intrudes, the better off we all are.

Go Scott Brown! Go Massachusetts!

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> Libs = Suck Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I think he is just calling you an appologist.
> > He also states you are a Demokrat "partisan",
> in
> > which I thinks he is trying to say you have a
> > partisan attitude even though you realize not
> only
> > is the figure you speak of a bad pick, but you
> > fail to understand its idealogical flaws of the
> > Democratic party as a whole and you and other
> > "Dems" refuse to accept this but act as though
> > your dealing with just one bad apple in the
> bunch.
> > Displaying a "partisan" attitude like I believe
> he
> > was suggesting.
>
>
> Ideological flaws like winning two world wars,
> creating Social Security, curing polio and putting
> man on the moon? Those ideological flaws?

Great, what have you done since 1969? 40 years of jack shit?

Please. You are "not a Republican" but you use all the standard Republican talking points: "cap and tax", "take over 1/6 of the economy", "can't run the post office", illegal immigration, socialism, tort reform, blah blah blah. Come on, at least be honest about it. Is it any wonder public opion is split on health care reform when there has been so much deliberate misinformation spread about it in the conservative dominated media? Death panels, etc? You people have no shame.


Rebecca Wrote:
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> I am not a Republican, however, in the cases of
> these three items, I will go with being part of
> "Just saying no!" The majority of Americans do
> not want these passed and neither of the two major
> parties are listening. Everyone in congress needs
> to go and we need to vote for those who represent
> us. If a Republican (who I do not agree with on
> all issues - but no one agrees with anyone
> completely) can win in the bluest of blue states
> it means that people have to go back to the table
> and actually talk to each other. Perhaps even
> listen to us. They might even listen to you,
> Vince (heh). I vote for the person, not the
> party.
>
> What Massachusetts (whose "Independent" voters are
> more than the Republicans and Democrats combined)
> understands right now is that we need some check
> and balance.
>
> By the way, there are many ideas I do agree with
> the Rebublicans on. Things that can be done right
> away without losing our freedoms with mandates
> (the worst thing about the healthcare bill
> proposed). Crossing state lines with options,
> stopping illegal immigration, tort reform, to name
> a few....things that don't take away freedoms and
> could lower the cost of healthcare and get it to
> more people (verifyable Americans). Those ideas
> are not "no" they are alternatives that since they
> are in the minority are not being taken seriously.
> With this group in office, it is socialism or
> nothing.
>
> Those in Massachusetts already have universal
> healthcare and are among the highest tax payers in
> the country. They have a unique perspective. If
> they vote in a Republican who says he will be the
> 41st vote against the bill and will force congress
> to begin to talk comprimise, then I am all for it.
>
>
> They can't even run the post office and they want
> to take over 1/6 th of our economy! (Have you
> ever had healthcare treatment at Ft. Belvoir?)
>
> Be real. I want to be in control of my own life.
> The less government intrudes, the better off we
> all are.
>
> Go Scott Brown! Go Massachusetts!

Voter,

I am closer to a Libertarian than a Republican. But I am not either. That is a fact. Of course that would mean I would lean towards fiscal conservativism and social liberalism. In this case, it is purely fiscal worries, I have.

I have worked as an accountant for over 20 years. Like Arianna Huffington has become recently, I was always a promotor of Community Banks to the companies I handle the finances for. However, I do not think everyone doing it all at once is a good idea for our economy overall. So we agree, but not completely. And I do not think she is a conservative.

I agree with the idea of the healthcare bill in parts. Like making sure people aren't afraid of being turned down with a pre-existing condition.

However, most importantly, I think that if you wanted to, you should be able to live completely off the land and not be born with the fact that you must pay a mandated fee for a doctor you never intended to or did see and just died on your land. I believe you should be able to do that. If you aren't hurting anyone, then I don't care what you do in your own house or on your own land. I may not want to hear about it but if you chose to do drugs, commit suicide, or wahtever else, that is your business. Not that I don't care, it is just that it is none of my business.

No one should be born with a mandate over their heads. it takes away any opportunity to be an individual and live on your own terms and die on your own terms as well.

Yes, it is a death panel, by the way. We have one now and we would have one if it was passed too. The insurance companies now decide whether to pay for medecines etc. They decide whether you live or die in some cases. If this were passed, it would be the same. Just that the goverment would make that decision for you instead.

The further we drive away from individual freedoms and choices is the closer we get to mind numbing lives. If that is what you like, I have nothing against you. I just prefer what I prefer and would vote accordingly. Perhaps fortunate for you, I can't vote in MA because I am not a resident but, if I could I would because I believe what is happening, and so quickly, right now would to hurt us in the long run.

Voter___ Wrote:
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> Is it any wonder
> public opion is split on health care reform when
> there has been so much deliberate misinformation
> spread about it in the conservative dominated
> media? Death panels, etc? You people have no
> shame.

You mean like trying to sell this bag of shit as defecit neutral or no new taxes will result?

Fair enough points, I've just never bought into the idea that any of these things take away liberty. I've never relied on the government for anything, and don't ever intend to. But I recognize that I've been given lots of advantages in life, and had some good luck, and I know lots of others haven't been as fortunate. I believe that when you've crossed a deep river it is your responsibility to turn around and help those behind you get across too.

As far as being able to live off the land on your own terms--it's a romantic idea but it doesn't strike me as a good plan for a nation to govern itself by what a very tiny minority of people will ever decide to do. We live collectively and need to recognize that.

Your description of "death panels" seems to be an argument in favor of health care as a basic human right. If you believe it is wrong for insurance companies to deny coverage based on what people can afford, then you believe health care is not a privilege but a right. If health care reform is defeated this time around you can be sure there won't be any meaningful reform for at least a generation. There may be flaws in this bill, but flaws can be fixed.


Rebecca Wrote:
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> Voter,
>
> I am closer to a Libertarian than a Republican.
> But I am not either. That is a fact. Of course
> that would mean I would lean towards fiscal
> conservativism and social liberalism. In this
> case, it is purely fiscal worries, I have.
>
> I have worked as an accountant for over 20 years.
> Like Arianna Huffington has become recently, I was
> always a promotor of Community Banks to the
> companies I handle the finances for. However, I
> do not think everyone doing it all at once is a
> good idea for our economy overall. So we agree,
> but not completely. And I do not think she is a
> conservative.
>
> I agree with the idea of the healthcare bill in
> parts. Like making sure people aren't afraid of
> being turned down with a pre-existing condition.
>
>
> However, most importantly, I think that if you
> wanted to, you should be able to live completely
> off the land and not be born with the fact that
> you must pay a mandated fee for a doctor you never
> intended to or did see and just died on your land.
> I believe you should be able to do that. If you
> aren't hurting anyone, then I don't care what you
> do in your own house or on your own land. I may
> not want to hear about it but if you chose to do
> drugs, commit suicide, or wahtever else, that is
> your business. Not that I don't care, it is just
> that it is none of my business.
>
> No one should be born with a mandate over their
> heads. it takes away any opportunity to be an
> individual and live on your own terms and die on
> your own terms as well.
>
> Yes, it is a death panel, by the way. We have one
> now and we would have one if it was passed too.
> The insurance companies now decide whether to pay
> for medecines etc. They decide whether you live
> or die in some cases. If this were passed, it
> would be the same. Just that the goverment would
> make that decision for you instead.
>
> The further we drive away from individual freedoms
> and choices is the closer we get to mind numbing
> lives. If that is what you like, I have nothing
> against you. I just prefer what I prefer and
> would vote accordingly. Perhaps fortunate for you,
> I can't vote in MA because I am not a resident
> but, if I could I would because I believe what is
> happening, and so quickly, right now would to hurt
> us in the long run.

"We live collectively and need to recognize that." Agreed, hence my not saying I am Libertarian.

"I believe that when you've crossed a deep river it is your responsibility to turn around and help those behind you get across too." Agreed, almost. I don't quite agree that it should be a forced responsibility as much as it should be your choice to do what is right and, therefore, getting so much more out of being just a good person.

I do not believe healthcare is a right. I do, however, believe that what we have can be reworked and not completely changed and controlled by government. I am not even going to pretend to know how to fix what is wrong with it now, but I am pretty sure the goverment wouldn't be doing us any favors by taking it over. The fact remains that pretty much everything run by the government isn't run well and having had healthcare provided by them (military brat) all over, doesn't make me any more secure. The "haves" will still have like in the military with Bethesda Naval healthcare and the "have nots" will have something like Ft. Belvoir which is the worst. I'd rather pay more out of my check to get the choice of Bethesda style care.

So, I truly admire your personal feeling and the majority of your reasoning. To me, it shows you are a thoughtful and caring individual. I just do not agree with this particular health care reform. I don't have an option, just the Republican ideas that seem like logical first steps that can be done right away and won't make anyone mad except lawyers, illigal immigrants, and those benefitting from "lottery" suits.

It's a toss up in MA and is exciting to watch, nonetheless, I am hoping for Scott Brown!

I dont believe anyone truly knows yet what is in the current health care bill. To be making statements using Ft. Belvoir vice Bethesda statements as being applicable to the bill is irrelevant. Ignoring the deficit impact of this bill...what is it you specifically object to?

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> > Another demokrat apologist. If you were not a
> > demokrat partisan you would have said "I can't
> > understand why the demokrats are so clueless
> that
> > they would pick a bitch like that for this
> > election."
>
>
> How am I being an apologist for saying I don't
> understand why the Dems picked her? Unlike
> Republicans like you, who can't admit that Palin
> is a fucking whack job, I can recognize when a Dem
> candidate sucks.


Ok, you are not an apologist but you are a demokrat with absolutely no sense of humor and can't recognize an outrageous joking statement if it slaps you in the ass.

But to bring us back on topic I had to catch my breath after laughing so hard during the Kris Mathews Show that is on right now. They are replaying the Koakly Red Sox interview fuckup and her statements on how Catholics should not work in health care or ObamaKare if they do not want to be forced to perform abortions. What a dummy.

I laughed at the chart they showed where after Obama and his kronies went up there her numbers fell through the floor. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

Yes like the Kongress will pass the senate bill after a koakly loss.

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Vince(1) Wrote:
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> I dont believe anyone truly knows yet what is in
> the current health care bill.
> Ignoring the deficit impact of this
> bill...what is it you specifically object to?

This is kinda why Obama's campaign statements on having an open construction process on this bill was so appealing. The fact that no one knows what is in such an important piece of legislation is really sad. Unfortunately the media decided the public should know more about Tiger Woods' sex life than this bill at the time it was being voted on.

It is disingenuous at best for Democrats to demand explanation on what is wrong with the bill and what the bases for objection are when no one is privy to the House-Senate negotiations except for the participants themselves.

Vince (1)

Agreed that none of us know what is in the bill entirely. Which is part of the problem with rushing this through and not telling us. I read Fox, Politico, Huffington, Drudge, Breitbart, MSNBC, and on. I don't get info from any one source. However, the last bill I tried to read, I trudged through, got the gist, but missed a lot due to to Legal lingo I do not understand. I have to listen to both sides and get the highlights. I mean, both sides talk about the same parts, they just have different opinions of their value. Its understandably ideological and that is why there are people who agree and people who don't.

Do I want Nebraska to get a special deal? Florida? Louisiana? Do I feel like movign to Nebraska, becoming Amish? Like no one will claim they are Amish to get out of the mandate. And I have a great deal of respect for the Amish, by the way, but if there are so many people able to opt out of a "mandate" then the word mandate is wrong altogether.

Does Massachusetts want to pay a mandated federal fee on top of the one they are already paying but have 95% of their people covered already at the state level? It makes no sense for them to, at this point. Which is why this MA race is even close, especially considering it is Ted Kennedy's seat we are talking about. His life's dream. There is obviously something seriously wrong if you can't get Massachusetts behind Ted Kennedy's dream.

Scott Brown voted FOR the healthcare system in MA. He would vote against the Senate bill because it doesn't do anything for his state and, perhaps, the rest of us. He is doing what he is supposed to do, represent his constituents and who may vote him into office. He is not deciding what he thinks is best for them. I would like more people in congress to vote based on what the people who voted them in wanted. Since that is their job and all. Most all have lost site of that.

If healthcare is working for them, then why wouldn't other states make it their model? I'd like to slow down a bit and compare what may or may not be working with what is already being tested (which, by MA own statement - it is already costing $2Billion more than expected and is on the rise) before taking it to such a grand scale. (perhaps state level might be best?) If we don't know what is in the bill, we can't do that and passing it right after they come to an agreement doesn't even give me a chance to. I don't like anything that will effect me so greatly not to be perused. I read the contract when I bought my house, so I'd like to at least have a chance to read the contract on my health.

I've had family that was not insured that we all helped pay for. I have a child who has a life-long medical condition that I worry about having healthcare when they are on their own. Especially as a pre-existing condition. Don't think I don't wish in my heart that it was as simple as voting yes for whatever bill would cover my particular situation. If I look at the other side, Medicare refused to cover treatments for my mother who has a cancer that is not brought on by an unhealthy lifestyle. If it was paid by us, the she gets 10 more years, though. So does medicaid save lives? Depends on your perspective. So, I believe it is important to take it slower and fix things like medicare first - gets something that is in existence right first. Show me some success with something...anything.


The comparison between Bethesda and Ft. Belvoir is relevant to me because it is an example of Government Run healthcare that is already in place.

Anyway, those are some non-defecit issues other than the 2 Billion remark.

"Special deals" are not healthcare related..they are funding related and became necessary when republicans failed to honestly participate in the legislatie process.

As far as waiting until Medicare is "fixed" before we can do anything to help a vast majority of Americans...I dont buy that logic. Nothing is ever "fixed" 100% to the approval of everyone. The idea is to improve the system...and then continue to improve it. Anecdotal examples of one's mother are meaningless. My grandmother was given years of wonderful nursing home care at the expense of Medicare. Does that mean Medicare has no problems...of course not....at least no more then your families experiences mean Medicare is broke. It is a wonderful program providing many people with critical medical services.

I am shocked however how you have put pseudo republican/libertarian ideology ahead of your family needs. I find it incredible that a women with a family with medical challenges you describe cannot say anything more then "no" when it comes to medical care.

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.

Check out the body language of demokratik partisan James Karville during this interview. I haven't seen a demokrat this depressed and dejected since Bill Klinton realized the "Obama fantasy" as he termed it was actually going to come true at the expense of his wife. He looks like he is going to fall off his chair and kind of roll under the table in a few parts.






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tb;tg

Preview of WH spin after tomorrow's loss.


1) Blame Bush (again) = Massachusetts voters were as angry and upset as everyone else about the continued weakness of the economy. That problem began in 2007; it is a huge, close to intractable problem that President Obama is just as upset about as everyone else; that he is working hard to solve; and that is not his fault to begin with, so the vote in the Bay State can’t be viewed as a personal repudiation of him.

And if you don't buy that load of shit,

2) It's the message, not the substance = The White House didn’t do as good a job as it should have communicating what is good about the health care bills that have been considered on the Hill. “I’d be the first to admit that we think there are more benefits than people see and feel,” said Gibbs. To the extent that is a “failing,” he said, “it is a failing that I and others take responsibility for up to an including the president.”

It wasn't mentioned, but why not throw Coakley under the bus. She is even worse than Creigh Deeds. I am probably one of eight people who even remember Creigh Deeds name.

Coakley should be thrown under the bus because she lost what should have been a safe seat. Yes, the economy sucks. And yes, people want to blame Obama for everything. But the fact is, her remarks and remoteness on the campaign trail did her in. When you speak with disdain about having to shake hands with people at Fenway Park, you aren't going to win many votes in Massachusetts.

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I remember Carville back in 2002. He was so disgusted by the results that he put a garbage can over his head. I'll see if i can find the Youtube of that one.

I think the remark about her shaking hands with people at Fenway was more about "I've got better things to do such as my job as AG other than to participate in empty posturing, shaking hands and baby kissing like my opponent" and less about "I don't want to touch the hands of my constituents."

Who the fuck does want to touch the GD hands of anyone. What ever happened to knuckling-up or the "Cosby" pound?

The "Curt Schilling is a Yankees Fan" cockup is probably what did her in. The rivalries run deep and people there take it way more seriously than any sports rivalry we have here in DC.

Rebecca,

Are you watching the returns?

At 65% reporting, Brown has 53%.....Coakley, 46%, despite all the dead people voting.

Coakley called Brown to concede.

It's over.

Thank G-d this is not in PA.

The Dems always manage to "find" sufficient votes in (utterly corrupt) Philadelphia to pull it out.

wOOt Brown won.

Now those crooked Dems will shove the Senate version of the health plan through the House, or delay his swearing in.

Which will make independents even madder, leading to more losses in November and the end of Obama in 2012.



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Dane Bramage Wrote:
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> wOOt Brown won.
>
> Now those crooked Dems will shove the Senate
> version of the health plan through the House, or
> delay his swearing in.
>
> Which will make independents even madder, leading
> to more losses in November and the end of Obama in
> 2012.


You have a good grasp on the situation, because what you stated is exactly the scenario which remains most likely.

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Say Jesus !!!

The country is saved!!!

Finally, some sanity in Massachussets!

http://amadeo.blog.com/repository/953653/3313044.jpg

Wow, wasnt this guy down by 30 points just a few weeks ago? I guess the appearance by Obama helped about as much as it did Deeds in Virginia and the other guy in NJ

Yipee!! I can't believe that Scott Brown, that hunk of a man, won! As a Gay Republican from Mass., I do hope to see him shirtless in P-Town on the tip of the Cape! So, what's the count now? Dems 59, Repubes 41? I guess the Repubes still lose in the end!



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Here ya go, stupid Donk.

Jack off & weep.


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Attachments:

The above post demonstrates the overwhelming and underlying flaw of the entire liberal democratic party.

What you say?

Homosexuality coupled with moronic jokes.

Pulled that pic out of your personal sex-file?

QUEER DEM.

No, dipshit.

I downloaded it 5 minutes it ago, so I could post it permanently via attachment - rather than sketchily via hotlink - for my beloved GAY REPUBLICAN BROTHER!!!1!@!

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> Here ya go, stupid Donk.
>
> Jack off & weep.
>
>
> .


This is what you can expect from the GOP. A bunch of fucking headcase candidates. Hope you like what you got, Massachusetts. A fruitcake with no power in the Senate. You know what the GOP is going to do for the Pro-Labor Dems who voted for this guy? Nothing.

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About the same as what Obama'z folks have done for pro-labor Dems in MI and OH...while they spend spend spend

Where's my fuckin' free gas?
What ever happened to Hope & Change?

Oooooooooooh you don't like THIS CHANGE and now your LOSING HOPE, huh?
Time for some POSITIVE CHANGE assholes.

Oh and yippee, the fact that you went into such depth explaining yourself means your guilty. So keep up the QUEER WORK.

Fuck-Boy.

This guy Brown looks pretty good. I am impressed with his acceptance speech - he comes across like a real person. It doesn't hurt that his daughters are intelligent and good looking either. Based on Obama's run, this guy could run for President in a couple of years... especially if he was able to win in Mass.

Just idle speculation on my part. Glad he won though, it was time for the people in Mass to take their Senate seat back.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

So, let me get this straight. You want to positively change assholes? Hey, that's fine by me. I have no say in which assholes you want to enter as that's your prerogative.



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Hunky Wrote:
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> So, let me get this straight. You want to
> positively change assholes? Hey, that's fine by
> me. I have no say in which assholes you want to
> enter as that's your prerogative.
>
> As a Gay Republican, I'm all for changing sexual
> partners, especially after learning my candidate,
> Scat Brown, poses for gay pics in magazines.
>
> Let me ask you, do you have a blown up pic of Scat
> on your ceiling above your bed like I do?
>
> I digress. So how many seats are we behind now
> (God, that sounds gay!). I think we're losing by
> 19 overall. At least we have each other.


You lack the wit or style to pull this off.

You're not funny or incisive, just wordy and boring.

I know you wouldn't quit, cause you're a troll and trolls don't quit.

But you're boring!

(That last word to be enunciated in your best flaming queer style.)

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> This guy Brown looks pretty good. I am impressed
> with his acceptance speech - he comes across like
> a real person. It doesn't hurt that his daughters
> are intelligent and good looking either. Based on
> Obama's run, this guy could run for President in a
> couple of years... especially if he was able to
> win in Mass.
>

You mean, like Mitt Romney did?

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Since you are a GayDem masquerading as a Republican, I leave you to be THE authority on assholes. Especially since your face so closely resembles one.

ThePackLeader Wrote:
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> Dane Bramage Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > wOOt Brown won.
> >
> > Now those crooked Dems will shove the Senate
> > version of the health plan through the House,
> or
> > delay his swearing in.
> >
> > Which will make independents even madder,
> leading
> > to more losses in November and the end of Obama
> in
> > 2012.
>
>
> You have a good grasp on the situation, because
> what you stated is exactly the scenario which
> remains most likely.


It looks like our very own Jim Webb just stuck a dagger in Harry Reid's side:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0110/On_to_Plan_C.html

Quote

Senator Jim Webb puts out a statement that puts the notion of a quick Senate vote out of reach and pretty much makes a certification fight moot:

In many ways the campaign in Massachusetts became a referendum not only on health care reform but also on the openness and integrity of our government process. It is vital that we restore the respect of the American people in our system of government and in our leaders. To that end, I believe it would only be fair and prudent that we suspend further votes on health care legislation until Senator-elect Brown is seated.

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"And if any women or children get their legs torn off, or faces caved in, well, it's tough shit for them." -2LT. Bert Stiles, 505th, 339th (On Berlin Bombardier Mission, 1944).

Suck cocks in hell, Ted Kennedy.

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> This guy Brown looks pretty good. I am impressed
> with his acceptance speech - he comes across like
> a real person. It doesn't hurt that his daughters
> are intelligent and good looking either. Based on
> Obama's run, this guy could run for President in a
> couple of years... especially if he was able to
> win in Mass.
>
> Just idle speculation on my part. Glad he won
> though, it was time for the people in Mass to take
> their Senate seat back.

If Romney is not the nominee look for Brown to be a potential VP candidate. He can't and won't win in a Presidential election year in MA and right now is viewed as the savior of the GOP.

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> This is what you can expect from the GOP. A bunch
> of fucking headcase candidates. Hope you like what
> you got, Massachusetts. A fruitcake with no power
> in the Senate. You know what the GOP is going to
> do for the Pro-Labor Dems who voted for this guy?
> Nothing.


There's nothing the matter with Massachusetts, any more than there was with Kansas.

What the Mass. voters wanted, obviously, was to stop the healthcare steamroller.

And that's precisely what they got.

No power?

Au contraire. This is a classic illustration of just how much power one man in the Senate can have.

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> You mean, like Mitt Romney did?

Senate races and Governor races are two different ball games, even more so in MA.

ITRADE Wrote:
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> Suck cocks in hell, Ted Kennedy.


This is sooooo typical.

You're just a big mean nutcase fruitcake Rethuglican.

We Democrats *always* take the high road.

Teabagger!!1!

Rebecca Wrote:
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> I am not a Republican, however, in the cases of
> these three items, I will go with being part of
> "Just saying no!" The majority of Americans do
> not want these passed and neither of the two major
> parties are listening. Everyone in congress needs
> to go and we need to vote for those who represent
> us. If a Republican (who I do not agree with on
> all issues - but no one agrees with anyone
> completely) can win in the bluest of blue states
> it means that people have to go back to the table
> and actually talk to each other. Perhaps even
> listen to us. They might even listen to you,
> Vince (heh). I vote for the person, not the
> party.
>
> What Massachusetts (whose "Independent" voters are
> more than the Republicans and Democrats combined)
> understands right now is that we need some check
> and balance.
>
> By the way, there are many ideas I do agree with
> the Rebublicans on. Things that can be done right
> away without losing our freedoms with mandates
> (the worst thing about the healthcare bill
> proposed). Crossing state lines with options,
> stopping illegal immigration, tort reform, to name
> a few....things that don't take away freedoms and
> could lower the cost of healthcare and get it to
> more people (verifyable Americans). Those ideas
> are not "no" they are alternatives that since they
> are in the minority are not being taken seriously.
> With this group in office, it is socialism or
> nothing.
>
> Those in Massachusetts already have universal
> healthcare and are among the highest tax payers in
> the country. They have a unique perspective. If
> they vote in a Republican who says he will be the
> 41st vote against the bill and will force congress
> to begin to talk comprimise, then I am all for it.
>
>
> They can't even run the post office and they want
> to take over 1/6 th of our economy! (Have you
> ever had healthcare treatment at Ft. Belvoir?)
>
> Be real. I want to be in control of my own life.
> The less government intrudes, the better off we
> all are.
>
> Go Scott Brown! Go Massachusetts!


All I can say is +1. :o)

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Super Donk Wrote:
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> ITRADE Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Suck cocks in hell, Ted Kennedy.
>
>
> This is sooooo typical.
>
> You're just a big mean nutcase fruitcake
> Rethuglican.
>
> We Democrats *always* take the high road.
>
> Teabagger!!1!

By high road, I mean Hershey highway. I love fucking other Dem men in the Hershey highway!

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> You mean, like Mitt Romney did?

Mitt Romney's a douche.

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Super Donk Wrote:
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> ITRADE Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Suck cocks in hell, Ted Kennedy.
>
>
> This is sooooo typical.
>
> You're just a big mean nutcase fruitcake
> Rethuglican.
>
> We Democrats *always* take the high road.
>
> Teabagger!!1!

OK Steny "better than nothing" Hoyer.

High road, indeed!

ThePackLeader Wrote:
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> ThePackLeader Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Dane Bramage Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > wOOt Brown won.
> > >
> > > Now those crooked Dems will shove the Senate
> > > version of the health plan through the House,
> > or
> > > delay his swearing in.
> > >
> > > Which will make independents even madder,
> > leading
> > > to more losses in November and the end of
> Obama
> > in
> > > 2012.
> >
> >
> > You have a good grasp on the situation, because
> > what you stated is exactly the scenario which
> > remains most likely.
>
>
> It looks like our very own Jim Webb just stuck a
> dagger in Harry Reid's side:
>
> http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0110/On_to_
> Plan_C.html
>
> Senator Jim Webb puts out a statement that puts
> the notion of a quick Senate vote out of reach and
> pretty much makes a certification fight moot:
>
> In many ways the campaign in Massachusetts became
> a referendum not only on health care reform but
> also on the openness and integrity of our
> government process. It is vital that we restore
> the respect of the American people in our system
> of government and in our leaders. To that end, I
> believe it would only be fair and prudent that we
> suspend further votes on health care legislation
> until Senator-elect Brown is seated.
>


Senator Webb might as well change parties...Id rather see a real republican in the senate representing VA then a democrat weraing republican clothes. He is as much a traitor as Lebowitz.

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> "Special deals" are not healthcare related..they
> are funding related and became necessary when
> republicans failed to honestly participate in the
> legislatie process.

Riiiight.... and CSPAN also failed to honestly participate.

Jim Webb said:

> To that end, I
> believe it would only be fair and prudent that we
> suspend further votes on health care legislation
> until Senator-elect Brown is seated.

Welcome aboard the train, Jim Webb. Did you really think that Lieberman or Snowe would vote for cloture a second time? What's that about fooling all of the people some of the time?

Your words aren't worth shit.

PS: Women CAN fight.

Take it easy Vince. Webb is just seeing which way the winds are blowing. He wants to keep his job so dont be surprised if he goes against Obamacare in the very near future.

Simply put people were fed up with being told by the government what kind of health care they were going to get, especially when congress exempted themselves from the plan.

The majority of citizens are satisfied with their healthcare but that same majority is more worried about keeping their jobs and thus keeping the work provided health care they already have.

Massachusetts has indeed given the finger to Obama, Nancy, Barney, Reid and the rest of the arrogant big government suck up your money for themselves socialist pigs.

This election was a major statement.

Historic.

Truly amazing turn of events! Not particularly suprised but certainly relieved! The debate is back and with fresh thought. I hope Scott Brown gives the State of The Union reply...from the back of his pick-up truck!

Way to go!

Massachusetts miracle! (Guess now I owe them a few tourist bucks...heh)

Wow, I can't believe they did it. This is definitely a big deal.

Dear Mr. Laughran,

You have redeemed yourself and all of Massachusetts.

BTW...I did not kill your plants. I just forgot to water them.

Remember this? ha!!


You fell off the ski lift. I tell everyone.

Massachusettes voters played the rest of the nation for fools...they have their government run healthcare insurance..you dont...and you probably never will.

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.

Yipee!! Wrote:

>
>
> There's nothing the matter with Massachusetts, any
> more than there was with Kansas.
>
> What the Mass. voters wanted, obviously, was to
> stop the healthcare steamroller.
>

Actually, what they wanted was Ted Kennedy, not some stuck-up and cold bitch who doesn't know who Curt Schilling is. If it were just about health care reform, she wouldn't have had a double-digit lead just a couple of weeks ago.

> And that's precisely what they got.
>

Nope.

> No power?
>
> Au contraire. This is a classic illustration of
> just how much power one man in the Senate can
> have.

Saying "no" to everything isn't power. It's obstruction.

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Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Massachusettes voters played the rest of the
> nation for fools...they have their government run
> healthcare insurance..you dont...and you probably
> never will.

You can't even spell Massachusetts.

fact Wrote:
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> WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > You mean, like Mitt Romney did?
>
> Senate races and Governor races are two different
> ball games, even more so in MA.


They are both statewide elections. The Republicans have seated Republican governors in Massachusetts.

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Noah Webster Wrote:
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Massachusettes voters played the rest of the
> > nation for fools...they have their government
> run
> > healthcare insurance..you dont...and you
> probably
> > never will.
>
> You can't even spell Massachusetts.


Sure I can...Looking-out-for-ourselves-ettes. Boy worrying about how to spell is sure hitting the issue on the head!

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/20/2010 09:25AM by Vince(1).

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> fact Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > You mean, like Mitt Romney did?
> >
> > Senate races and Governor races are two
> different
> > ball games, even more so in MA.
>
>
> They are both statewide elections. The Republicans
> have seated Republican governors in Massachusetts.

Yeah, you still aren't getting it. Just because they are both statewide elections does not mean they are on equal footing. Until now, MA voters have been reluctant to elect a Republican to any office with federal implications. Since 1996, the Democratic candidate for President has gotten in the 60% range in MA. The last statewide Senate race was in 2008, John Kerry got over 65% of the vote. Hell, even when sitting GOP Governor Weld tried to run against Kerry in '96, he couldn't even crack 45%. Romney only got 41% against Kennedy. MA doesn't even have a single GOP member in the US House.

Noah Webster Wrote:
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Massachusettes voters played the rest of the
> > nation for fools...they have their government
> run
> > healthcare insurance..you dont...and you
> probably
> > never will.
>
> You can't even spell Massachusetts.

Neither can Martha.

See video at :27

.

facts Wrote:
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> MA doesn't even have a single GOP member
> in the US House.

One should probably suffix that comment with "... yet." it seems.

But saying that a state always elects one party or another to a particular office is dumb. Someone said on TV today that Massachusetts citizens elect republican governors and democrat legislators to actively preserve checks and balances in their government. What total crap. All politics is local, people pick whoever they like and there's no absurd group norming going on where the population compels itself to follow that pattern.

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Well, here's , here's one thing I know and I just want to make sure that this is off the table. The Senate certainly shouldn't try to jam anything through until Scott Brown is seated. People in Massachusetts spoke. He's got to be part of that process. So...


Spacy Wrote:
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> I lived in Boston for almost 30 years, recently.
> I'll be surprised if this guy wins. But if he
> does, the state will not certify the vote until
> after the health care vote, so he won't be able to
> stop it. However, if the Democrat wins they will
> have her seated and voting immediately. You
> watch.

It's ok. Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins support the current plan, so it shall pass prior to the Nov. election cycle.

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Here's my assessment of not just the vote in Massachusetts, but the mood around the country. The same thing that swept Scott Brown into office swept me into office. People are angry, and they're frustrated. Not just because of what's happened in the last year or two years, but what's happened over the last eight years.
-ABC News

HE BLAMED IT ON BUSH!!!

I can not believe it, what a delusional nut case...

Dane Bramage Wrote:
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>
> what a delusional nut case...


People are ecstatic about the Bush administration. What was he thinking?

TheMeeper Wrote:
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> Dane Bramage Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > what a delusional nut case...
>
>
> People are ecstatic about the Bush administration.
> What was he thinking?


If Obama actually believes that - that anti-Bush rather than anti-Obama sentiment got Brown elected - then he is truly delusional.

Er.. Wrote:
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>
> - then he is truly delusional.

Sure, if you ignore his statement "The same thing that swept Scott Brown into office swept me into office".

Not quite.

He's only non-delusional if you ignore this part of his statement: "Not just because of what's happened in the last year or two years, but what's happened over the last eight years."

Dane Bramage Wrote:
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> PRESIDENT OBAMA: Here's my assessment of not just
> the vote in Massachusetts, but the mood around the
> country. The same thing that swept Scott Brown
> into office swept me into office. People are
> angry, and they're frustrated. Not just because
> of what's happened in the last year or two years,
> but what's happened over the last eight years.
> -ABC News
>
> HE BLAMED IT ON BUSH!!!
>
> I can not believe it, what a delusional nut
> case...

Or perhaps he's saying that people elected him (and other dems) into office expecting change and instead got business as usual. Turns out people are fed up with it whether it's Democrats or Republicans.

Mr Captcha Wrote:
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>>
> Or perhaps he's saying that people elected him
> (and other dems) into office expecting change and
> instead got business as usual. Turns out people
> are fed up with it whether it's Democrats or
> Republicans.

Agreed.

Funny that he will not admit any blame over the losses here in VA, in NJ, and now in liberal Mass.

Ted Kennedy's seat. What a loss.

What they need to do is fix the economy and quit screwing around with healthcare, cap and trade, and trying to fix their mistake of putting the banks back in position to pay out millions in bonuses, after we bailed them out.

If they want healthcare, work with the Republicans and try to find common ground, rather than shoving their agenda through because they can. I mean could.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/20/2010 09:22PM by Dane Bramage.

Glad to see that liberal Massachusetts has learned that Obamba is out to ruin this nation.

The rest of us should open our eyes and get this nutcase and the rest of the Democrats out!

I never thought I would be saying these things, but now I see what the Democrats are doing!

What do you think about McDonnell's decision today to open up more Virginia's rest areas?

I'm sure you'll agree as a fellow Republican brother that this really enhances our chances for discreet men's room trysts. I was quite sad to hear that they closed last year to save money in the VA budget, but now, finally our sex lives will be restored.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/06/2010 01:48PM by Hunky.

I think you've had 24 hours to rest, and your schtick is still tired.

BOR-ing!

As for Obama, what did we conservatives tell you guys before the election? He had NO experience, and now it really shows.

The media covered up his flaws, suppressed his past, and generally sang his praises in lickspittle fashion.

Obama was a media-enabled fraud. Arrogant and secretive, but a consummate poseur and a serviceable mimic. He's still strutting his hour across the stage, but the trajectory will be a downward one from here on out.

You voted for the IDEA of him without actually looking AT him. That was incredibly foolish, as we told you.

You said he was Lincoln, he didn't need experience. And now you see how weak he is, how he abdicates to Reid/Pelosi, and how he will continue to isolate himself because he has no internal strength.

He has proven to be completely incapable to lead and to govern. Thank god for Massachusetts and Scott Brown and Kudos to Barney Frank and Jim Webb for respecting the voice of the people. Following, rather than leading that trend, Obama has now co-opted that sentiment himself.

Oh, Dear Leader -- don't listen to the wicked Republicans. Listen to your pollsters' mystic readings of the public sentiment, discerning therein with all the mystic perspecuity of a high priest peering at the entrails of a goat.

DOUBLE-DOWN ON HEALTHCARE.

IT'S THE ONLY WAY FORWARD.

THERE'S NO TURNING BACK.

FUCK MITCH MCCONNELL.

FUCK RUSH LIMBAUGH.

FUCK GLENN BECK.

DO THE RIGHT THING.

Olympia Snowe will listen to reason, as Ben Nelson did, the persuasion must simply be couched in the proper form... and as a Chicago pol you surely know... money talks, bullshit walks. Show her the money, and she will lay down like a $2 whore.

The Brass Ring is within reach. Grab it, as you are destined to do.

Hunky = GAY LIBERAL DEMOKKKRAT

Dane Bramage Wrote:
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> PRESIDENT OBAMA: ... Not just because
> of what's happened in the last year or two years,
> but what's happened over the last eight years.
> -ABC News

Time for Obama to change his terms. It isn't the "last eight" years anymore, it is the "last nine" and he and his cronies in the kongress, the demokrats, own the latest one (in Obama's case) and the last three (in kongress' case).

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twitter @EyeAmU

Super Donk Wrote:
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> I think you've had 24 hours to rest, and your
> schtick is still tired.
>
> BOR-ing!
>
> As for Obama, what did we conservatives tell you
> guys before the election? He had NO experience,
> and now it really shows.
>
> The media covered up his flaws, suppressed his
> past, and generally sang his praises in
> lickspittle fashion.
>
> Obama was a media-enabled fraud. Arrogant and
> secretive, but a consummate poseur and a
> serviceable mimic. He's still strutting his hour
> across the stage, but the trajectory will be a
> downward one from here on out.
>
> You voted for the IDEA of him without actually
> looking AT him. That was incredibly foolish, as we
> told you.
>
> You said he was Lincoln, he didn't need
> experience. And now you see how weak he is, how he
> abdicates to Reid/Pelosi, and how he will continue
> to isolate himself because he has no internal
> strength.
>
> He has proven to be completely incapable to lead
> and to govern. Thank god for Massachusetts and
> Scott Brown and Kudos to Barney Frank and Jim Webb
> for respecting the voice of the people.
> Following, rather than leading that trend, Obama
> has now co-opted that sentiment himself.
>
> Oh, Dear Leader -- don't listen to the wicked
> Republicans. Listen to your pollsters' mystic
> readings of the public sentiment, discerning
> therein with all the mystic perspecuity of a high
> priest peering at the entrails of a goat.
>
> DOUBLE-DOWN ON HEALTHCARE.
>
> IT'S THE ONLY WAY FORWARD.
>
> THERE'S NO TURNING BACK.
>
> FUCK MITCH MCCONNELL.
>
> FUCK RUSH LIMBAUGH.
>
> FUCK GLENN BECK.
>
> DO THE RIGHT THING.
>
> Olympia Snowe will listen to reason, as Ben Nelson
> did, the persuasion must simply be couched in the
> proper form... and as a Chicago pol you surely
> know... money talks, bullshit walks. Show her the
> money, and she will lay down like a $2 whore.
>
> The Brass Ring is within reach. Grab it, as you
> are destined to do.


What the fuck were our choices? The old man and Ms Lipstick on a bull dog? Give me fucking break! The only thing good from voting for those two would be the landslides in favor of democratic candidates since then.

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.

conVince,

What good ever came out of the Bush administration from 2001 to 2006 when they had control of everything? Were there more rest areas open? That's why I so admire Bobbie Francis McDonnell for his bravery.

With Love,
Scat Brown(R)

Scat Brown(R) Wrote:
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> conVince,
>
> What good ever came out of the Bush administration
> from 2001 to 2006 when they had control of
> everything? Were there more rest areas open?
> That's why I so admire Bobbie Francis McDonnell
> for his bravery.
>
> With Love,
> Scat Brown(R)


Bobbie is a hero for all the women driving VA highways with no bladder control.

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.

Scat Loving Dem Wrote:
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> conVince,
>
> What good ever came out of the Bush administration
> from 2001 to 2006 when they had control of
> everything?

Unemployment at the end of 2006 was 4.6%. It was at 4.7% in 2001. Where has it gone since the Dems took control of Congress?

The Dow was at 10,587.60 on January 20, 2001; it was 12,398.01 on January 5, 2007. Where has it gone since the Dems took control of Congress.

I don't even think forclosure numbers need to be mentioned since the Dems took control of Congress.