The public health option got dropped. I know a couple other important parts got dropped. What are we left with?

If the main point of passing the bill (public health option) is removed from the bill, why keep going through with it?

EDIT 1: Forgot to add, no Vinke(1) posts, please. I no longer believe you have anything valid to add to any conversation about anything. We'reI'm trying to have an intelligent discussion.

For the rest of you, please try to keep politics out of it. I'm not asking about their agenda, I'm asking for the facts of what we're left with in the bill.

EDIT 2: Fixed edit 1.

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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 12/19/2009 11:51AM by MrMephisto.

MrMephisto Wrote:
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> The public health option got dropped. I know a
> couple other important parts got dropped. What
> are we left with?
>
> If the main point of passing the bill (public
> health option) is removed from the bill, why keep
> going through with it?


Because in the pocket Democrats had pork belly shit attached to the bill and still had to hook their money men...I mean constituents up.

Because it still results in a large increase in the number of people covered by insurance.

Because no one besides the ultra left described success as a public option...and only the ultra right described failure by the same criteris.

Because it would be a major prescedent..and will only grow in scope.

Because Wrote:
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> Because it still results in a large increase in
> the number of people covered by insurance.
>
> Because no one besides the ultra left described
> success as a public option...and only the ultra
> right described failure by the same criteris.
>
> Because it would be a major prescedent..and will
> only grow in scope.

This doesn't mean anything. Please re-read the original post, Vince.

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The remnants of the bill include a ban on denying coverage to children with pre-existing conditions and something about insurance companies being required to spend at least 80 cents of every dollar they make in premiums on providing care to the customers.

Melon Coli Wrote:
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>
> Because in the pocket Democrats had pork belly
> shit attached to the bill and still had to hook
> their money men...I mean constituents up.


As MrMephisto said, the thread isn't about politics, but what remains in this bill.

eesh Wrote:
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> Melon Coli Wrote:
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>
> >
> > Because in the pocket Democrats had pork belly
> > shit attached to the bill and still had to hook
> > their money men...I mean constituents up.
>
>
> As MrMephisto said, the thread isn't about
> politics, but what remains in this bill.

To be fair, he posted that before my edit.

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eesh Wrote:
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> The remnants of the bill include a ban on denying
> coverage to children with pre-existing conditions
> and something about insurance companies being
> required to spend at least 80 cents of every
> dollar they make in premiums on providing care to
> the customers.

That doesn't sound too bad. What's the catch?

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eesh Wrote:
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> Melon Coli Wrote:
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> -----
>
> >
> > Because in the pocket Democrats had pork belly
> > shit attached to the bill and still had to hook
> > their money men...I mean constituents up.
>
>
> As MrMephisto said, the thread isn't about
> politics, but what remains in this bill.
>
>
>
>
At least I don't like dick!

MrMephisto Wrote:
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> That doesn't sound too bad. What's the catch?


According to http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=aSF.fqMnWQbg, $848 billion.

eesh Wrote:
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> MrMephisto Wrote:
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>
> >
> > That doesn't sound too bad. What's the catch?
>
>
> According to
> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&si
> d=aSF.fqMnWQbg, $848 billion.

"The 10-year Senate health plan, initially estimated to cost $848 billion, is designed to cover 31 million uninsured Americans and curb medical costs."

That doesn't sound like too bad of a catch. That translates into approximately $280.00 a year for ten years per person.

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MrMephisto Wrote:
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> eesh Wrote:
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> > Melon Coli Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> >
> > >
> > > Because in the pocket Democrats had pork
> belly
> > > shit attached to the bill and still had to
> hook
> > > their money men...I mean constituents up.
> >
> >
> > As MrMephisto said, the thread isn't about
> > politics, but what remains in this bill.
>
> To be fair, he posted that before my edit.


Thank you...how was I supposed to abide by a precept before I am unaware of it? I am not clarvoyant. I guess eeshypoo wasn't smart enough to notice that.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/19/2009 12:44PM by Melon Coli.

Melon Coli Wrote:
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> I guess eeshypoo wasn't smart enough to notice that.

"eeshypoo?" Are you fucking gay? Because you're calling him gay, but I don't see him saying things like "eeshypoo."

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It's all about who is getting paid off now. Virginia will get expanded unfunded mandates out of the Bill in the form of Medicaid expansion - which is what Senator Nelson from Nebraska held out for (and many of these other late yes votes) so his state doesn't have to pay those costs.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

MrMephisto Wrote:
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> Melon Coli Wrote:
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> > I guess eeshypoo wasn't smart enough to notice
> that.
>
> "eeshypoo?" Are you fucking gay? Because you're
> calling him gay, but I don't see him saying things
> like "eeshypoo."



LOL Kinda like this gay PM I just got from him.

wtf
From: Melon Coli
To:
eesh
Date: 12/19/2009 12:31PM

WTF is your problem? I haven't said shit to you on here. You are a paranoid freak sending me PM's accusing me of being some Shadow guy and inkahootz.

MrMephisto Wrote:
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> Melon Coli Wrote:
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> > I guess eeshypoo wasn't smart enough to notice
> that.
>
> "eeshypoo?" Are you fucking gay? Because you're
> calling him gay, but I don't see him saying things
> like "eeshypoo."


Thats what his lover, Harry Tuttle calls him. I was trying to be funny...I guess it backfired.

BTW, he is the one who said he likes guys.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 12/19/2009 01:03PM by Melon Coli.

eesh Wrote:
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> MrMephisto Wrote:
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> > Melon Coli Wrote:
> >
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> > -----
> > > I guess eeshypoo wasn't smart enough to
> notice
> > that.
> >
> > "eeshypoo?" Are you fucking gay? Because
> you're
> > calling him gay, but I don't see him saying
> things
> > like "eeshypoo."
>
>
>
> LOL Kinda like this gay PM I just got from him.
>
> wtf
> From: Melon Coli
> To:
> eesh
> Date: 12/19/2009 12:31PM
>
> WTF is your problem? I haven't said shit to you on
> here. You are a paranoid freak sending me PM's
> accusing me of being some Shadow guy and
> inkahootz.
>
>
>
>

You're the dumbass who didn't realize he edited the post after i posted that shit. Didn't you notice the 'EDIT' in capital letters? and u call me stupid?

Also attached is an insurance plan run by nonprofits that will be overseen by OPM.

Medicaid looks like it is being expanded too.

Medicaid is how they are trying to get around the public option. And they are passing those costs down to the States - which helps them keep the cost of the Bill down, to keep them looking like they are doing something good. State taxes across the country will be forced up - except for the folks who got their votes bought by ensuring the Fed will pay for their state.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University