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Another Poll Confirms Obama's 47% Approval Rating
Posted by:
ToFrie
()
Date: December 10, 2009 08:03AM
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1209/30413.html
This part was really interesting:
“Perhaps the greatest measure of Obama’s declining support is that just 50 percent of voters now say they prefer having him as president to George W. Bush, with 44 percent saying they’d rather have his predecessor. Given the horrendous approval ratings Bush showed during his final term, that’s somewhat of a surprise and an indication that voters are increasingly placing the blame on Obama for the country’s difficulties instead of giving him space because of the tough situation he inherited. The closeness in the Obama/Bush numbers also has implications for the 2010 elections. Using the Bush card may not be particularly effective for Democrats anymore, which is good news generally for Republicans and especially ones like [former Ohio Republican Rep.] Rob Portman who are running for office and have close ties to the former president.”
This part was really interesting:
“Perhaps the greatest measure of Obama’s declining support is that just 50 percent of voters now say they prefer having him as president to George W. Bush, with 44 percent saying they’d rather have his predecessor. Given the horrendous approval ratings Bush showed during his final term, that’s somewhat of a surprise and an indication that voters are increasingly placing the blame on Obama for the country’s difficulties instead of giving him space because of the tough situation he inherited. The closeness in the Obama/Bush numbers also has implications for the 2010 elections. Using the Bush card may not be particularly effective for Democrats anymore, which is good news generally for Republicans and especially ones like [former Ohio Republican Rep.] Rob Portman who are running for office and have close ties to the former president.”
Re: Another Poll Confirms Obama's 47% Approval Rating
Posted by:
Voter
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Date: December 10, 2009 08:22AM
For comparison purposes:
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Re: Another Poll Confirms Obama's 47% Approval Rating
Posted by:
True Grit
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Date: December 10, 2009 08:36AM
The big difference that does not show in these polls is the contribution by the press.
The press is part of the cover-up by trying to keep negative news about Obama under wraps.
The press did everything they could to dig up dirt on Bush - thus his low poll numbers.
If the press were not a willing participant in the Obama scam, the numbers would be much worse.
The press is part of the cover-up by trying to keep negative news about Obama under wraps.
The press did everything they could to dig up dirt on Bush - thus his low poll numbers.
If the press were not a willing participant in the Obama scam, the numbers would be much worse.
Re: Another Poll Confirms Obama's 47% Approval Rating
Posted by:
Voter
()
Date: December 10, 2009 08:54AM
You've got to be kidding me. The opinion press is 99% conservative and rails about Obama 24 hours a day. When defending Fox News against accusations of bias, conservatives exempt all the "opinion hosts" like Sean Hannity, claiming they don't count. But when citing examples of what they call "media cheerleading" for Obama, those same people bring up Chris Matthes or Keith Olberman. The myth of "liberal media" is laughable.
True Grit Wrote:
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> The big difference that does not show in these
> polls is the contribution by the press.
>
> The press is part of the cover-up by trying to
> keep negative news about Obama under wraps.
>
> The press did everything they could to dig up dirt
> on Bush - thus his low poll numbers.
>
> If the press were not a willing participant in the
> Obama scam, the numbers would be much worse.
True Grit Wrote:
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> The big difference that does not show in these
> polls is the contribution by the press.
>
> The press is part of the cover-up by trying to
> keep negative news about Obama under wraps.
>
> The press did everything they could to dig up dirt
> on Bush - thus his low poll numbers.
>
> If the press were not a willing participant in the
> Obama scam, the numbers would be much worse.
Re: Another Poll Confirms Obama's 47% Approval Rating
Posted by:
Registered Voter
()
Date: December 10, 2009 09:44AM
Voter Wrote:
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> You've got to be kidding me. The opinion press is
> 99% conservative and rails about Obama 24 hours a
> day.... The myth of "liberal media" is laughable.
Voter, have you been drinking someone's koolaid? That is funny as shit lol.
Opinion polls are not the same as the "Opinion Press" as you say.
If you are going to present a chart for comparison purposes, it might be worth finding one that shows a true comparison of the topic at hand. Also the source of the chart is worth knowing. (in searching that picture was on a number of folks photo sharing pages - it may have been the WSJ but I didn't see a story attached to it).
If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University
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> You've got to be kidding me. The opinion press is
> 99% conservative and rails about Obama 24 hours a
> day.... The myth of "liberal media" is laughable.
Voter, have you been drinking someone's koolaid? That is funny as shit lol.
Opinion polls are not the same as the "Opinion Press" as you say.
If you are going to present a chart for comparison purposes, it might be worth finding one that shows a true comparison of the topic at hand. Also the source of the chart is worth knowing. (in searching that picture was on a number of folks photo sharing pages - it may have been the WSJ but I didn't see a story attached to it).
If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University
Re: Another Poll Confirms Obama's 47% Approval Rating
Posted by:
Voter
()
Date: December 10, 2009 10:07AM
A previous poster made the link between the press and opinion polls--I am not equating the two. The point I was making was that there is plenty of negative press about Obama--turn on Fox News, talk radio, open the Drudge Report, or any number of other reliaby conservative outlets if you don't believe me. The chart I posted was to show that all presidents approval ratings decline as they start doing their jobs--seems plenty relevant to me. Here is the source:
http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/info-presapp0605-31.html
Registered Voter Wrote:
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> Voter Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > You've got to be kidding me. The opinion press
> is
> > 99% conservative and rails about Obama 24 hours
> a
> > day.... The myth of "liberal media" is
> laughable.
>
> Voter, have you been drinking someone's koolaid?
> That is funny as shit lol.
>
> Opinion polls are not the same as the "Opinion
> Press" as you say.
>
> If you are going to present a chart for comparison
> purposes, it might be worth finding one that shows
> a true comparison of the topic at hand. Also the
> source of the chart is worth knowing. (in
> searching that picture was on a number of folks
> photo sharing pages - it may have been the WSJ but
> I didn't see a story attached to it).
http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/info-presapp0605-31.html
Registered Voter Wrote:
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> Voter Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > You've got to be kidding me. The opinion press
> is
> > 99% conservative and rails about Obama 24 hours
> a
> > day.... The myth of "liberal media" is
> laughable.
>
> Voter, have you been drinking someone's koolaid?
> That is funny as shit lol.
>
> Opinion polls are not the same as the "Opinion
> Press" as you say.
>
> If you are going to present a chart for comparison
> purposes, it might be worth finding one that shows
> a true comparison of the topic at hand. Also the
> source of the chart is worth knowing. (in
> searching that picture was on a number of folks
> photo sharing pages - it may have been the WSJ but
> I didn't see a story attached to it).
Re: Another Poll Confirms Obama's 47% Approval Rating
Posted by:
Vince(1)
()
Date: December 10, 2009 12:00PM
there is nothing reliable about Fox "news". Half their commentators use the excuse that they are only entertainers as an excuse for their behavior...which is totally irresponsible and only trying to capture your dime.
Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.
Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.
Re: Another Poll Confirms Obama's 47% Approval Rating
Posted by:
Registered Voter
()
Date: December 10, 2009 02:42PM
Opinions are much like assholes. Everyone has one. Then again, some people are just assholes with opinions.
If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University
If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University
Re: Another Poll Confirms Obama's 47% Approval Rating
Posted by:
ToFrie
()
Date: December 10, 2009 03:01PM
Registered Voter Wrote:
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> Opinions are much like assholes. Everyone has one.
> Then again, some people are just assholes with
> opinions.
My theory for why Obama’s numbers are falling is that most Americans are just dumb. Look at the average standardized test scores. Look at how far behind Americans are compared to most European and Asia countries regarding education. It’s just part of our culture unfortunately. We as a nation are just plain stupid.
That’s why it is important for the more educated and liberal-minded to get out there are spread the word and make the important decisions that our less intelligent countrymen are unable to handle. We liberals know what is truly best for this country and we need to stop listening to the naysayers, even is they are the majority
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> Opinions are much like assholes. Everyone has one.
> Then again, some people are just assholes with
> opinions.
My theory for why Obama’s numbers are falling is that most Americans are just dumb. Look at the average standardized test scores. Look at how far behind Americans are compared to most European and Asia countries regarding education. It’s just part of our culture unfortunately. We as a nation are just plain stupid.
That’s why it is important for the more educated and liberal-minded to get out there are spread the word and make the important decisions that our less intelligent countrymen are unable to handle. We liberals know what is truly best for this country and we need to stop listening to the naysayers, even is they are the majority
Re: Another Poll Confirms Obama's 47% Approval Rating
Posted by:
Registered Voter
()
Date: December 10, 2009 03:03PM
ToFrie Wrote:
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> Registered Voter Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Opinions are much like assholes. Everyone has
> one.
> > Then again, some people are just assholes with
> > opinions.
>
> My theory for why Obama’s numbers are falling is
> that most Americans are just dumb. Look at the
> average standardized test scores. Look at how far
> behind Americans are compared to most European and
> Asia countries regarding education. It’s just
> part of our culture unfortunately. We as a nation
> are just plain stupid.
>
> That’s why it is important for the more educated
> and liberal-minded to get out there are spread the
> word and make the important decisions that our
> less intelligent countrymen are unable to handle.
> We liberals know what is truly best for this
> country and we need to stop listening to the
> naysayers, even is they are the majority
LOL.
You know who dreamed up opinion polls right? All those supposedly "more intelligent" folks that know better than the rest of the supposedly dumb folks. Maybe if they stopped trying to shape opinion polls to meet their expectation or goal, and instead asked honest, simple questions they might get back some answers that make sense.
If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University
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> Registered Voter Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Opinions are much like assholes. Everyone has
> one.
> > Then again, some people are just assholes with
> > opinions.
>
> My theory for why Obama’s numbers are falling is
> that most Americans are just dumb. Look at the
> average standardized test scores. Look at how far
> behind Americans are compared to most European and
> Asia countries regarding education. It’s just
> part of our culture unfortunately. We as a nation
> are just plain stupid.
>
> That’s why it is important for the more educated
> and liberal-minded to get out there are spread the
> word and make the important decisions that our
> less intelligent countrymen are unable to handle.
> We liberals know what is truly best for this
> country and we need to stop listening to the
> naysayers, even is they are the majority
LOL.
You know who dreamed up opinion polls right? All those supposedly "more intelligent" folks that know better than the rest of the supposedly dumb folks. Maybe if they stopped trying to shape opinion polls to meet their expectation or goal, and instead asked honest, simple questions they might get back some answers that make sense.
If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University
Re: Another Poll Confirms Obama's 47% Approval Rating
Posted by:
WashingTone-Locian
()
Date: December 10, 2009 03:13PM
For the most part, the President's approval ratings are tied to the state of the economy and national security. When the economy sucks, as it does now, you can expect the POTUS's approval numbers to be down. When Bush invaded Iraq and declared "Mission Accomplished" a few weeks later, Americans were dumb enough to believe it and Bush's approval ratings rose. When it became apparent during Katrina that Bush was an incompetent sack of shit, his numbers began to fall.
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Re: Another Poll Confirms Obama's 47% Approval Rating
Posted by:
Voter
()
Date: December 10, 2009 03:26PM
It seemed kind of obvious to me that was a troll trying to stir things up. With respect to the point about "not listening to the naysayers, even if they are the majority", I do seem to recall something about an election just a short while ago. I think that's how we determine who the majority is--at least last I checked it was.
Registered Voter Wrote:
>
> LOL.
>
> You know who dreamed up opinion polls right? All
> those supposedly "more intelligent" folks that
> know better than the rest of the supposedly dumb
> folks. Maybe if they stopped trying to shape
> opinion polls to meet their expectation or goal,
> and instead asked honest, simple questions they
> might get back some answers that make sense.
Registered Voter Wrote:
>
> LOL.
>
> You know who dreamed up opinion polls right? All
> those supposedly "more intelligent" folks that
> know better than the rest of the supposedly dumb
> folks. Maybe if they stopped trying to shape
> opinion polls to meet their expectation or goal,
> and instead asked honest, simple questions they
> might get back some answers that make sense.
Re: Another Poll Confirms Obama's 47% Approval Rating
Posted by:
ToFrie
()
Date: December 10, 2009 04:09PM
Voter Wrote:
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> It seemed kind of obvious to me that was a troll
> trying to stir things up. With respect to the
> point about "not listening to the naysayers, even
> if they are the majority", I do seem to recall
> something about an election just a short while
> ago. I think that's how we determine who the
> majority is--at least last I checked it was.
>
>
> Registered Voter Wrote:
> >
> > LOL.
> >
> > You know who dreamed up opinion polls right?
> All
> > those supposedly "more intelligent" folks that
> > know better than the rest of the supposedly
> dumb
> > folks. Maybe if they stopped trying to shape
> > opinion polls to meet their expectation or
> goal,
> > and instead asked honest, simple questions they
> > might get back some answers that make sense.
No I'm serious. Look at the empirical data. It's irrefutable. Americans, and people from red states in particular, are mostly uneducated boobs. What the US needs is a wise Philosopher-King (like Obama) who can rule over the dumb masses without interference or having to worry about approval. At the very least voting rights should be restricted to people with at least a bachelor’s degree.
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> It seemed kind of obvious to me that was a troll
> trying to stir things up. With respect to the
> point about "not listening to the naysayers, even
> if they are the majority", I do seem to recall
> something about an election just a short while
> ago. I think that's how we determine who the
> majority is--at least last I checked it was.
>
>
> Registered Voter Wrote:
> >
> > LOL.
> >
> > You know who dreamed up opinion polls right?
> All
> > those supposedly "more intelligent" folks that
> > know better than the rest of the supposedly
> dumb
> > folks. Maybe if they stopped trying to shape
> > opinion polls to meet their expectation or
> goal,
> > and instead asked honest, simple questions they
> > might get back some answers that make sense.
No I'm serious. Look at the empirical data. It's irrefutable. Americans, and people from red states in particular, are mostly uneducated boobs. What the US needs is a wise Philosopher-King (like Obama) who can rule over the dumb masses without interference or having to worry about approval. At the very least voting rights should be restricted to people with at least a bachelor’s degree.
Re: Another Poll Confirms Obama's 47% Approval Rating
Posted by:
Rev. Al
()
Date: December 10, 2009 04:20PM
ToFrie Wrote:
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> At the very least voting rights should
> be restricted to people with at least a bachelor’s
> degree.
If that were the case, how would the Democratic party exercise their feudal power over the welfare recipients?
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> At the very least voting rights should
> be restricted to people with at least a bachelor’s
> degree.
If that were the case, how would the Democratic party exercise their feudal power over the welfare recipients?
Re: Another Poll Confirms Obama's 47% Approval Rating
Posted by:
Johnny Walker
()
Date: December 10, 2009 04:31PM
ToFrie Wrote:
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At the very least voting rights should
> be restricted to people with at least a bachelor’s
> degree.
Or those that can afford to pursue one, you mean.
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At the very least voting rights should
> be restricted to people with at least a bachelor’s
> degree.
Or those that can afford to pursue one, you mean.
Re: Another Poll Confirms Obama's 47% Approval Rating
Posted by:
Registered Voter
()
Date: December 10, 2009 04:49PM
ToFrie Wrote:
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> Voter Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > It seemed kind of obvious to me that was a
> troll
> > trying to stir things up. With respect to the
> > point about "not listening to the naysayers,
> even
> > if they are the majority", I do seem to recall
> > something about an election just a short while
> > ago. I think that's how we determine who the
> > majority is--at least last I checked it was.
> >
> >
> > Registered Voter Wrote:
> > >
> > > LOL.
> > >
> > > You know who dreamed up opinion polls right?
> > All
> > > those supposedly "more intelligent" folks
> that
> > > know better than the rest of the supposedly
> > dumb
> > > folks. Maybe if they stopped trying to shape
> > > opinion polls to meet their expectation or
> > goal,
> > > and instead asked honest, simple questions
> they
> > > might get back some answers that make sense.
>
>
> No I'm serious. Look at the empirical data. It's
> irrefutable. Americans, and people from red
> states in particular, are mostly uneducated boobs.
> What the US needs is a wise Philosopher-King
> (like Obama) who can rule over the dumb masses
> without interference or having to worry about
> approval. At the very least voting rights should
> be restricted to people with at least a bachelor’s
> degree.
As Fruppie would say, "That's Stupid".
If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University
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> Voter Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > It seemed kind of obvious to me that was a
> troll
> > trying to stir things up. With respect to the
> > point about "not listening to the naysayers,
> even
> > if they are the majority", I do seem to recall
> > something about an election just a short while
> > ago. I think that's how we determine who the
> > majority is--at least last I checked it was.
> >
> >
> > Registered Voter Wrote:
> > >
> > > LOL.
> > >
> > > You know who dreamed up opinion polls right?
> > All
> > > those supposedly "more intelligent" folks
> that
> > > know better than the rest of the supposedly
> > dumb
> > > folks. Maybe if they stopped trying to shape
> > > opinion polls to meet their expectation or
> > goal,
> > > and instead asked honest, simple questions
> they
> > > might get back some answers that make sense.
>
>
> No I'm serious. Look at the empirical data. It's
> irrefutable. Americans, and people from red
> states in particular, are mostly uneducated boobs.
> What the US needs is a wise Philosopher-King
> (like Obama) who can rule over the dumb masses
> without interference or having to worry about
> approval. At the very least voting rights should
> be restricted to people with at least a bachelor’s
> degree.
As Fruppie would say, "That's Stupid".
If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University
Re: Another Poll Confirms Obama's 47% Approval Rating
Posted by:
Dane Bramage
()
Date: December 10, 2009 06:11PM
Obama's ratings are down because he is doing a shitty job. Unemployment remains high, he bailed on most campaign promises, his surge in Afghanistan, the spending, the deficit, his home foreclosure assistance plan bombed, and so on. Youth voted for change, they got the status quo.
NBC, CBS, ABC, MSNBC, and most print media are in Obama's back pocket, Fox won't bow to Obama, hence the attempt to ban from the press pool.
Blogs are both, and talk radio is predominantly conservative. Liberals on the radio are about as entertaining as watching paint dry...which is why Air America was such a failure.
NBC, CBS, ABC, MSNBC, and most print media are in Obama's back pocket, Fox won't bow to Obama, hence the attempt to ban from the press pool.
Blogs are both, and talk radio is predominantly conservative. Liberals on the radio are about as entertaining as watching paint dry...which is why Air America was such a failure.
Re: Another Poll Confirms Obama's 47% Approval Rating
Posted by:
Dane Bramage
()
Date: December 10, 2009 06:23PM
ToFrie Wrote:
At the very least voting rights should
> be restricted to people with at least a bachelor’s
> degree.
Sounds like a plan to me...
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At the very least voting rights should
> be restricted to people with at least a bachelor’s
> degree.
Sounds like a plan to me...
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