Obama makes hawkish moves on Afghanistan.

Jobless claims slip in November.

Dow looks strong.

Housing showing some signs of improvement.

BoA pays back TARP funds early.

It's very probable Obama will be able to claim a victory on health care in 2010.

Republicans' top candidate for 2012 is Sarah Palin.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

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http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm

But don't forget.

Health care disaster to be passed.

Cap and trade drag on businesses to be passed.

Dollar value slips even more due to massively increased debt with second stimulus.

etc.

etc.

Yet, the Democrats will lose control of Congress.

So, HAHAHA.

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"And if any women or children get their legs torn off, or faces caved in, well, it's tough shit for them." -2LT. Bert Stiles, 505th, 339th (On Berlin Bombardier Mission, 1944).

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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>
> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!


Many are getting by on ARRA money, which goes away FY after next. Once the artificial crutch is pulled out, hang on.

Also, we're still down 7.2 million jobs since 2007. Until jobs start coming back, we're not out of the woods.

and don't even get me going on the Afghanistan planning, or lack thereof.

Even though Deeds and Corzine were lousy candidates, the results in NJ and VA have the Dems on Capitol Hill worried.

The United States lost another 11,000 jobs last month, and the Obama administration is treating that like it's good news.

Hey, could have been worse!

Meanwhile, Canada has outperformed its job-growth estimate five times over.

One interesting source of new jobs up north: a new, $90 million SUV plant owned by General Motors.

You're welcome, Canada!

The Corner Wrote:
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> The United States lost another 11,000 jobs last
> month, and the Obama administration is treating
> that like it's good news.
>
> Hey, could have been worse!
>
> Meanwhile, Canada has outperformed its job-growth
> estimate five times over.
>
> One interesting source of new jobs up north: a
> new, $90 million SUV plant owned by General
> Motors.
>
> You're welcome, Canada!


I think the term used was "slight glimmer of hope"...not exactly the terms used to lets say claim "Mission Accomplished"!

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.

First, even if Democrats lose seats in 2010, they won't "lose control in Congress." I doubt they will lose the majority in either house. Second, the fact that major lending institutions are paying back TARP money is an indication that economic activity we are seeing is going beyond ARRA funds. There is a multiplier effect from this government spending.

Just think of it this way. If we are seeing a turnaround in the economy, Obama's "low point" in the approval ratings is still in the high 40s. Reagan didn't have that. If we are seeing a recovery in the works, Obama should destroy his opponent in 2012, no matter who it is.

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WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> Obama's "low point" in
> the approval ratings is still in the high 40s.
> Reagan didn't have that. If we are seeing a
> recovery in the works, Obama should destroy his
> opponent in 2012, no matter who it is.

That's because Democrats are stupider than Republicans

Despite the too typical and phony whining from Republicans, Obama will have a very strong case to make that his policies saved us from would could have been a long, nasty depression. If you look at the inflection points of nearly every metric, Shrub left everything heading the wrong direction and it all started turning around as Obama's policies took effect. Republicans are ranting and raving about unemployment--and yes it's too high--but look at the direction it was going last year and how it has turned around since then. I'm frankly amazed at the position we are in now compared to how things looked last fall. And Republicans wanted to do basically nothing--except their one trick pony of offering more tax cuts when taxes are already lower than they were under Ronald Reagan. They wanted to let everything fail. Imagine how unemployment would look if we had let the automakers and big financial institutions bite the dust.

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> First, even if Democrats lose seats in 2010, they
> won't "lose control in Congress." I doubt they
> will lose the majority in either house. Second,
> the fact that major lending institutions are
> paying back TARP money is an indication that
> economic activity we are seeing is going beyond
> ARRA funds. There is a multiplier effect from this
> government spending.
>
> Just think of it this way. If we are seeing a
> turnaround in the economy, Obama's "low point" in
> the approval ratings is still in the high 40s.
> Reagan didn't have that. If we are seeing a
> recovery in the works, Obama should destroy his
> opponent in 2012, no matter who it is.

You know, just because a ray of sunlight broke through the clouds, we are a long ways away from end of the volcanic ash still raining down from the eruption of our economy.

It is laughable at best to see how fast folks are trying to paint this as some BIG DEAL when we all know that most of this is due to seasonal hiring for Christmas. It happens EVERY YEAR - so it should be no surprise to anyone that some people got jobs this month.

When Bush had jobs growing every month, even when it was 5 or 6 months in to the recovery, all you ever heard MSM or any democrat say was "He lost 3 million jobs..." - this after a recession left to him by Clinton, and 9/11. You all are funny as shit lol.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/05/2009 08:31AM by Registered Voter.

Voter Wrote:
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> Despite the too typical and phony whining from
> Republicans, Obama will have a very strong case to
> make that his policies saved us from would could
> have been a long, nasty depression. If you look
> at the inflection points of nearly every metric,
> Shrub left everything heading the wrong direction
> and it all started turning around as Obama's
> policies took effect. Republicans are ranting and
> raving about unemployment--and yes it's too
> high--but look at the direction it was going last
> year and how it has turned around since then. I'm
> frankly amazed at the position we are in now
> compared to how things looked last fall. And
> Republicans wanted to do basically nothing--except
> their one trick pony of offering more tax cuts
> when taxes are already lower than they were under
> Ronald Reagan. They wanted to let everything
> fail. Imagine how unemployment would look if we
> had let the automakers and big financial
> institutions bite the dust.
>

What will be the icing on the cake is when the Repubes assert the argument that TARP started under GWB.

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> It is laughable at best to see how fast folks are
> trying to paint this as some BIG DEAL when we all
> know that most of this is due to seasonal hiring
> for Christmas. It happens EVERY YEAR - so it
> should be no surprise to anyone that some people
> got jobs this month.
>

Good point. Let's google it: http://money.cnn.com/2008/12/05/news/economy/jobs_november/index.htm

The 2008 tally soars after payrolls shrink by 533,000 in November, the biggest one-month decline in nearly 34 years.

Brokaw Crash Wrote:
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> Registered Voter Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > It is laughable at best to see how fast folks
> are
> > trying to paint this as some BIG DEAL when we
> all
> > know that most of this is due to seasonal
> hiring
> > for Christmas. It happens EVERY YEAR - so it
> > should be no surprise to anyone that some
> people
> > got jobs this month.
> >
>
> Good point. Let's google it:
> http://money.cnn.com/2008/12/05/news/economy/jobs_
> november/index.htm
>
> The 2008 tally soars after payrolls shrink by
> 533,000 in November, the biggest one-month decline
> in nearly 34 years.

Another classic blunder by RV.

Registnerd Voter Wrote:
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> Brokaw Crash Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Registered Voter Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> >
> > > It is laughable at best to see how fast folks
> > are
> > > trying to paint this as some BIG DEAL when we
> > all
> > > know that most of this is due to seasonal
> > hiring
> > > for Christmas. It happens EVERY YEAR - so it
> > > should be no surprise to anyone that some
> > people
> > > got jobs this month.
> > >
> >
> > Good point. Let's google it:
> >
> http://money.cnn.com/2008/12/05/news/economy/jobs_
>
> > november/index.htm
> >
> > The 2008 tally soars after payrolls shrink by
> > 533,000 in November, the biggest one-month
> decline
> > in nearly 34 years.
>
> Another classic blunder by RV.
>
>


I'm sure he meant every year but last year.

Brokaw Crash Wrote:
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> The 2008 tally soars after payrolls shrink by
> 533,000 in November, the biggest one-month decline
> in nearly 34 years.

Using the current logic being pushed by Obamabots, the decline last year would have been much worse WITHOUT seasonal hiring factored in.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/05/2009 08:46AM by Registered Voter.

Voter Wrote:
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>
> Shrub left everything heading the wrong direction
> and it all started turning around as Obama's
> policies took effect.

Your partisanship is showing...

If we are going to start the blame game, let's go back to 2000 when Clinton decided not to regulate Credit Default Swaps as a part of the Commodity Futures Modernization Act. We know it was CDS that brought down AIG...

and here is a blurb from around the time of the Lehman failure:
--
Banks are hoarding cash in expectation of pay-outs on up to $400bn of defaulted credit derivatives linked to Lehman Brothers and other institutions, according to analysts and -dealers.

This added pressure on the frozen financial system comes as authorities prepare to meet participants in the so-far unregulated $54,000bn credit derivatives market to speed up plans for the creation of a central clearing house.

The Federal Reserve will meet dealers, investors and exchange executives in New York today. Although big dealers had committed to setting up a central counterparty by the end of the year, urgency has increased in light of the collapse of banks around the world and as company bankruptcies loom.

"The New York Fed will hold a meeting [today] with a small number of banks and buyside firms to discuss the progress being made toward the creation of a central counterparty for credit default swaps," said a Fed official, adding that this would "help reduce systemic risk associated with counterparty credit exposure and improve how the failure of a major participant would be addressed".

Dane Bramage Wrote:
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> Voter Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > Shrub left everything heading the wrong
> direction
> > and it all started turning around as Obama's
> > policies took effect.
>
> Your partisanship is showing...
>
> If we are going to start the blame game, let's go
> back to 2000 when Clinton decided not to regulate
> Credit Default Swaps as a part of the Commodity
> Futures Modernization Act. We know it was CDS that
> brought down AIG...

Agree this is a major blunder but the bill came from from a GOP controlled congress.

Also (from wikipedia):

On September 14, 2000, the SEC and CFTC announced they had agreed on a joint regulation approach for “security futures.” Senior Treasury Department officials hailed the “historic agreement” as eliminating “the major obstacles to forming a consensus bill.” [40] At the same time, Senator Phil Gramm (R-TX), the Chair of the Senate Banking Committee, was quoted as insisting that any bill brought to the Senate Floor would need to be expanded to include prohibitions on SEC regulation of the swaps market.[41]

The same Phil Gramm who was advising McCain on the economy during the race.

Exhibit A:
Attachments:

Exhibit B:
Attachments:

Exhibit C:
Attachments:

I'd like to see the data for exhibit C. GWB increased the national debt by 4-5T.

doomass Wrote:
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> I'd like to see the data for exhibit C. GWB
> increased the national debt by 4-5T.

and the spending like a drunken sailor continues...

Anyway, a little more back on topic. Even if we tie the current economic conditions only to Bush (I am not a GWB fan, and didn't vote for him either time), Obama and the Dems are still in trouble.

Let's look at the make up of the voters, the Presidential Election and the recent results.

First, there is a pretty evenly matched amount of hard core Democrats and Republicans, and even though they are both somewhat divided parties, these folks will vote for their nominated candidates. Some pundits peg this at around 35% each, leaving roughly 30% independents.

Two key things happened in 2008, Obama won the independent vote, AND young voters showed up. This is attributed to the promise of Change.

This year, in Virginia, McDonnell won the independents, and the young voters stayed home. Why? Even with Obama coming out to Virginia in support of Deeds, there is a now a realization that Change is a falsehood. Gitmo is open, partisanship is rampant, taxes are being raised, Gays can't serve in the military, and the list goes on...

And now, not only is Obama following Bush's spending policies, he is using another page out of the GWB playbook, using a surge in Afghanistan, a hugely unpopular war.

So, unless things change dramatically over the course of the next couple of years, the Democrats will lose seats in Congress, and the next Presidential election will be very, very competitive...unless the Republicans turn to their conservative base and ignore moderates and independents. It will be interesting to see who gets the nomination.

Dane Bramage Wrote:
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> doomass Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I'd like to see the data for exhibit C. GWB
> > increased the national debt by 4-5T.
>
> and the spending like a drunken sailor
> continues...

I don't know if people will give a hoot if they're back working, their 401k recovers, and much of everything is "back to normal". They certainly didn't when GWB was in office. Added some of these green energy initiatives taking off...

> First, there is a pretty evenly matched amount of
> hard core Democrats and Republicans, and even
> though they are both somewhat divided parties,
> these folks will vote for their nominated
> candidates. Some pundits peg this at around 35%
> each, leaving roughly 30% independents.
>
> Two key things happened in 2008, Obama won the
> independent vote, AND young voters showed up. This
> is attributed to the promise of Change.
>
> This year, in Virginia, McDonnell won the
> independents, and the young voters stayed home.
> Why? Even with Obama coming out to Virginia in
> support of Deeds, there is a now a realization
> that Change is a falsehood. Gitmo is open,
> partisanship is rampant, taxes are being raised,
> Gays can't serve in the military, and the list
> goes on...

I wouldn't read too much here considering the jobs outlook was still pretty grim back then (as was the economy). The GOP was doing a good job introducing FUD into Obama's policies. As things improve, he'll start regaining momentum again.

>
> And now, not only is Obama following Bush's
> spending policies, he is using another page out of
> the GWB playbook, using a surge in Afghanistan, a
> hugely unpopular war.

This continues to be a sticking point with the Dems but the GOP should love him for it.

>
> So, unless things change dramatically over the
> course of the next couple of years, the Democrats
> will lose seats in Congress, and the next
> Presidential election will be very, very
> competitive...unless the Republicans turn to their
> conservative base and ignore moderates and
> independents. It will be interesting to see who
> gets the nomination.

The economy and jobs will have recovered by then and Obama can show how things changed for the better under his watch. Added to that, healthcare reform, we're talking some pretty monumental initiatives here.

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> First, even if Democrats lose seats in 2010, they
> won't "lose control in Congress." I doubt they
> will lose the majority in either house. Second,
> the fact that major lending institutions are
> paying back TARP money is an indication that
> economic activity we are seeing is going beyond
> ARRA funds. There is a multiplier effect from this
> government spending.
>
> Just think of it this way. If we are seeing a
> turnaround in the economy, Obama's "low point" in
> the approval ratings is still in the high 40s.
> Reagan didn't have that. If we are seeing a
> recovery in the works, Obama should destroy his
> opponent in 2012, no matter who it is.

They only have to lose enough seats for Pelosi to never be able to pass anything, and soon enough she'll lose her speakership.

If we had someone such as Senator Warner as a speaker, or any Moderate for that matter, I wouldn't care if they were a Democrat. I simply don't want the radical fringe elements controlling the Hill.

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"And if any women or children get their legs torn off, or faces caved in, well, it's tough shit for them." -2LT. Bert Stiles, 505th, 339th (On Berlin Bombardier Mission, 1944).



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/05/2009 10:01PM by ThePackLeader.

Dane Bramage Wrote:
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> doomass Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I'd like to see the data for exhibit C. GWB
> > increased the national debt by 4-5T.
>
> and the spending like a drunken sailor
> continues...
>
> Anyway, a little more back on topic. Even if we
> tie the current economic conditions only to Bush
> (I am not a GWB fan, and didn't vote for him
> either time), Obama and the Dems are still in
> trouble.
>
> Let's look at the make up of the voters, the
> Presidential Election and the recent results.
>
> First, there is a pretty evenly matched amount of
> hard core Democrats and Republicans, and even
> though they are both somewhat divided parties,
> these folks will vote for their nominated
> candidates. Some pundits peg this at around 35%
> each, leaving roughly 30% independents.
>
> Two key things happened in 2008, Obama won the
> independent vote, AND young voters showed up. This
> is attributed to the promise of Change.
>
> This year, in Virginia, McDonnell won the
> independents, and the young voters stayed home.
> Why? Even with Obama coming out to Virginia in
> support of Deeds, there is a now a realization
> that Change is a falsehood. Gitmo is open,
> partisanship is rampant, taxes are being raised,
> Gays can't serve in the military, and the list
> goes on...
>
> And now, not only is Obama following Bush's
> spending policies, he is using another page out of
> the GWB playbook, using a surge in Afghanistan, a
> hugely unpopular war.
>
> So, unless things change dramatically over the
> course of the next couple of years, the Democrats
> will lose seats in Congress, and the next
> Presidential election will be very, very
> competitive...unless the Republicans turn to their
> conservative base and ignore moderates and
> independents. It will be interesting to see who
> gets the nomination.


There are no moderate republicans...Limbaugh and Palin are chasing them all out.

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.

Vince(1) Wrote:
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>
> There are no moderate republicans...


There are plenty of moderate Republicans, just as there are plenty of conservative democrats, and yes, there is such a thing as a liberal Republican.

eesh Wrote:
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> >
> > There are no moderate republicans...
>
>
> There are plenty of moderate Republicans, just as
> there are plenty of conservative democrats, and
> yes, there is such a thing as a liberal
> Republican.

Name one that has any influence in the republican party.

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.

Why don't you back up your claims with "facts" Vince before you start requiring other people to disprove your delusional crankish spoutings.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Name one that has any influence in the republican
> party.


That wasn't my point, I'm just pointing out that so many people think Republican = Conservative and Democrat = Liberal. That isn't the case.

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> Why don't you back up your claims with "facts"
> Vince before you start requiring other people to
> disprove your delusional crankish spoutings.

You have proven may times that posting "fact"..after "fact"...after "fact" on here is merely a substitute for even an ounce of common sense....and humanity.

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Registered Voter Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Why don't you back up your claims with "facts"
> > Vince before you start requiring other people
> to
> > disprove your delusional crankish spoutings.
>
> You have proven may times that posting
> "fact"..after "fact"...after "fact" on here is
> merely a substitute for even an ounce of common
> sense....and humanity.

Since when did they register you as "human" Vince? I am pretty sure they tacked "sub" in front of your designation. Regarding facts though - you have none. You are baseless, pointless, and delusional. But keep up the entertaining posts :)

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

Terrorism is a law enforcemnt issue...making it a war will make Bush II undoubtedly one of the 3 top worse presidents of all time. His expanding the "war" into Iraq will undoubtedly push him to numero uno. Numero dos is undoubtedly Prediente Andrew Jackson...his disregard for the Supreme Court decision protecting indian land rights gets him nominated...his desloution of the U.S Bank pushes him to numero dos. Third will be Preesidente Wilson...his inablilty to sell the League of Nations to his own country doomed that orgaization...he unleashed a number of insurgency groups that attempted to throw off the shackles of colonialism...the collapse of Wilson's 10 point plan left these movements unfulfilled. Many of the insurgents lost faith in the democratic worlds commitment to freedom and turned instead to only truly revolutionare movement of the 20th century...communism. Wilson was a flaming white supremist...which ensures his place as the 3rd worst president.

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.

LOL

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

Registnerd Voter Wrote:
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> Brokaw Crash Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Registered Voter Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> >
> > > It is laughable at best to see how fast folks
> > are
> > > trying to paint this as some BIG DEAL when we
> > all
> > > know that most of this is due to seasonal
> > hiring
> > > for Christmas. It happens EVERY YEAR - so it
> > > should be no surprise to anyone that some
> > people
> > > got jobs this month.
> > >
> >
> > Good point. Let's google it:
> >
> [money.cnn.com]
>
> > november/index.htm
> >
> > The 2008 tally soars after payrolls shrink by
> > 533,000 in November, the biggest one-month
> decline
> > in nearly 34 years.
>
> Another classic blunder by RV.
>
>


I'm sure he meant every year but last year.

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.

The unemployment rate is still 10%, teh situation in Afghanistan is a disaster, the dollar is plunging in value and the Obama can't get his signature legislation passed in a congress controlled by his own party. And you lib ass-clowns thing the REPUBLICANS have problems? You buffoons really do live in fantasy land don't you?

Steve Wilhite Wrote:
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> The unemployment rate is still 10%, teh situation
> in Afghanistan is a disaster, the dollar is
> plunging in value and the Obama can't get his
> signature legislation passed in a congress
> controlled by his own party. And you lib
> ass-clowns thing the REPUBLICANS have problems?
> You buffoons really do live in fantasy land don't
> you?

WAPO seems to have this same worldview.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

I know I live in a fantasy land of sorts. I'm really into trolling public message boards for cock. That's how we Republicans are.

Registered Voter, care to join me for coffee and a candy cane up the ass?

Hey, I see on Fox news this morning that Sarah Palin is in Iowa today. Lines were out the door of the mall and they noted that they had found a lot of former Hillary supporters in line...

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

They are at a mall. People shop at the mall this time of year.

You are stupid, but since you are pro-Republican, I will still let you stick a finger in my ass.

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> Obama makes hawkish moves on Afghanistan.

This is a good thing for Obama? Afghanistan bankrupted the USSR, and Iraq/Afghanistan threatens to do the same for the US. The real story here is that Obama won't be out of Afghanistan or Iraq by the time of the next election. That will be a bad thing for him since he got a lot of votes for his promise to leave.

> Jobless claims slip in November.

Jobless claims were 'less bad' than they were the prior month, but they're still bad. I would expect job claims to go down right before the holidays due to retail hires (was that excluded from the count?)

> Dow looks strong.

I believe the DJIA is up because there's nowhere left for people to put their money. Gold is also up. Why? Because the dollar is so shaky right now. commodities don't look great, but again, they look "less bad". Also, keep in mind that the DJIA now is comprised of so many multi-national companies that it no longer represents the "American" economy the way it did prior to the 1990's. McDonald's, Kraft, Procter & Gamble, Merck, 3M, Pfizer, etc could be doing great due to overseas sales while the US continues in a recession. It doesn't mean anything for jobs in this country or the fiscal health of this country.

> Housing showing some signs of improvement.

With $8,000/$6,500 subsidies and some of the lowest interest rates in history, it should be doing more than 'showing signs' Those things are going away mid-next year (along with increased requirements for FHA loans and the end of the FED mortgage repurchase program). It's like saying a coma patient is "showing signs of life" because they moved their big toe, but we're unplugging them from the respirator and wheeling them into the parking lot next week.

> BoA pays back TARP funds early.

That is probably good news for BoA, but I'm not sure how that translates for Obama. BoA giving back the TARP funds means Obama loses a lever of control over BoA (which is why all the TARP takers are so eager to give back that money).

> It's very probable Obama will be able to claim a
> victory on health care in 2010.

He'll get something probably, but it will almost certainly contain things that will be distasteful to democrats and republicans alike. Obama doesn't need any more reasons for democrats to stay home in 2012. He's already at a 47% approval rating ( http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll )

> Republicans' top candidate for 2012 is Sarah
> Palin.

I'm not sure she is welcome in the Republican party any more. I wouldn't be surprised if she appears as a 3rd party candidate. I think she'll be far more successful is she goes the Rush Limbaugh route, which is what I think she'll do.

> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

I think the US is in so much trouble financially, that all Americans will look back on this time as as the 'good ol' days'.

I'm absolutely certain we're up shit creek without a canoe.

Top Eight Most Vulnerable Senators?

All Democrats.

Kos: "Nothing short of cataclysmic"

Democrats had known there was an “intensity gap” between angry conservatives in the Republican Party and the unexcited Democratic base, and in a midterm election, base turnout often determines who wins the night.

Yet no one suspected it was this bad.

Nonpartisan pollster Research 2000 conducts a large-scale weekly poll for Daily Kos measuring voter sentiment toward key Republican and Democratic leaders and the parties (2,400 respondents, for a margin of error of 2 percent). Last week’s edition featured the typical generic congressional ballot test, and Democrats held a 37-32 advantage, not atypical compared to most other polling on that question. In its most recent polls, CNN had Democrats up 49-43, while Pew was at 47-42. And while Gallup bucked the trend, with Republicans up 48-44, those exact generic congressional numbers aren’t as important for the 2010 midterms as precisely who will turn out. And right now, it’s looking brutal for the Democrats.

For the first time, I had Research 2000 ask, “In the 2010 congressional elections, will you definitely vote, probably vote, not likely vote or definitely will not vote?” The results were nothing short of cataclysmic:

Among Republican respondents, 81 percent said they were definitely or probably going to vote, versus only 14 percent who were definitely or not likely to do so. Among independent voters, it was 65-23. Among Democrats? A woeful 56-40: Two out of every five Democrats are currently unlikely to vote.

http://thehill.com/opinion/columnists/markos-moulitas/70053-brutal-poll-for-dems?page=3#comments

I wonder how much of this is people realizing they were had by Obama and the media.

Remember that he campaigned as a tax cutting, budget hawk, post partisan moderate.

He is governing as a tax raising, budget busting, leftwing extremist. Oh and incompetent to boot.

While those who follow politics closely had a good idea that he was no moderate and was lying, that is only a fraction of the moderates he got to vote for him.

But no worries. A couple of weeks before defeat becomes inevitable, the OP will present his spin on why it's "no big deal," as he did a few weeks before the VA governor's election, when it became clear that Deeds would lose.

Always look on the bright side of life!

The wingnuts alternate between spinning us with tales of how Obama's liberal base is so disappointed in everything he does and then how radical he has turned out to be. If you bothered to read his book, it was pretty clear that he is really a pragmatist at heart with progressive values tempered by responsibility and respect for free markets and individual choice. When you have both Dick Cheney and Michael Moore criticizing you at the same time it's probably a pretty good sign you are doing the right things.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Wrote:
> While those who follow politics closely had a good
> idea that he was no moderate and was lying, that
> is only a fraction of the moderates he got to vote
> for him.
>

Voter Wrote:
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> If you bothered
> to read his book, it was pretty clear that he is
> really a pragmatist at heart with progressive values

How many people who voted for him do you think bothered to read his book(s)?

The media cooperated with the Obama campaign in presenting him as a moderate. The more the truth of his leftist views comes out in his policy decisions, the further his poll numbers sink, with the 2010 congressional election correspondingly "looking brutal for the Democrats."


> When you have both Dick Cheney and Michael Moore criticizing you
> at the same time it's probably a pretty good sign
> you are doing the right things.

It's pretty to think so -- pretty delusional. The polls speak for themselves. Obama and the Democrats' lurch to the left is unpalatable to the majority of voters, and if Democrats "stay the course" in their policy positions they will pay the price at the ballot box.

A decline in the polls is inevitable as you move from campaigning to governing. It's impossible to please everyone, and everytime you make a decision there will be people disappointed by it. Obama realizes that he has to use his political capital early in his first term to do the hard things, and then will move to boost his numbers as we get closer to the 2012 election. The same thing happened to both Reagan and Clinton. Bush junior had 9/11 in his first term so he had artificially high support that carried him through. The reason we give a president a four year term instead of holding a referendum on every single issue is to insulate the long term interests of the country from popular opinion, which can rapidly change. That's why it's called "leadership." So shut up, already, about the polls.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Wrote:
> polls speak for themselves. Obama and the
> Democrats' lurch to the left is unpalatable to the
> majority of voters, and if Democrats "stay the
> course" in their policy positions they will pay
> the price at the ballot box.

Typical stupid, mind-numbed unimaginative lib idiots. Their only response to the reality obvious to everyone except deluded idiots like them is to appropriate someone else's name to trot out their own homosexual fantasies. They are somewhat amusing though, in a pathetic sort of way.

Voter Wrote:
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> So shut up, already, about the polls.


Tell Kos to shut up, dumbass. You're delusional.

Terrorism is a law enforcemnt issue...making it a war will make Bush II undoubtedly one of the 3 top worse presidents of all time. His expanding the "war" into Iraq will undoubtedly push him to numero uno. Numero dos is undoubtedly Prediente Andrew Jackson...his disregard for the Supreme Court decision protecting indian land rights gets him nominated...his desloution of the U.S Bank pushes him to numero dos. Third will be Preesidente Wilson...his inablilty to sell the League of Nations to his own country doomed that orgaization...he unleashed a number of insurgency groups that attempted to throw off the shackles of colonialism...the collapse of Wilson's 10 point plan left these movements unfulfilled. Many of the insurgents lost faith in the democratic worlds commitment to freedom and turned instead to only truly revolutionare movement of the 20th century...communism. Wilson was a flaming white supremist...which ensures his place as the 3rd worst president.

Vince, you magnificent idiot!, you've done it again! Where to even start in this mishmash of spectacular historical ignorance? First off, you fool, it it was Fourteen Points, not Ten. Second, Wilson was the first liberal Democrat president. Actually, that would definitely place him firmly in the worst president category come to think of it. Anyway, I could go on but I'm losing interest. Your ignorance and stupidity Vince are so vast and unending that there is little point in making the effort to smarten you up. You really are one first class, hall-of-fame idiot, and for that I congratulate you!

GDF Vince Wrote:
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> Terrorism is a law enforcemnt issue...making it a
> war will make Bush II undoubtedly one of the 3 top
> worse presidents of all time. His expanding the
> "war" into Iraq will undoubtedly push him to
> numero uno. Numero dos is undoubtedly Prediente
> Andrew Jackson...his disregard for the Supreme
> Court decision protecting indian land rights gets
> him nominated...his desloution of the U.S Bank
> pushes him to numero dos. Third will be
> Preesidente Wilson...his inablilty to sell the
> League of Nations to his own country doomed that
> orgaization...he unleashed a number of insurgency
> groups that attempted to throw off the shackles of
> colonialism...the collapse of Wilson's 10 point
> plan left these movements unfulfilled. Many of the
> insurgents lost faith in the democratic worlds
> commitment to freedom and turned instead to only
> truly revolutionare movement of the 20th
> century...communism. Wilson was a flaming white
> supremist...which ensures his place as the 3rd
> worst president.
>
> Vince, you magnificent idiot!, you've done it
> again! Where to even start in this mishmash of
> spectacular historical ignorance? First off, you
> fool, it it was Fourteen Points, not Ten. Second,
> Wilson was the first liberal Democrat president.
> Actually, that would definitely place him firmly
> in the worst president category come to think of
> it. Anyway, I could go on but I'm losing interest.
> Your ignorance and stupidity Vince are so vast and
> unending that there is little point in making the
> effort to smarten you up. You really are one first
> class, hall-of-fame idiot, and for that I
> congratulate you!


Well..I bet you looked that 10 vs 14 points up before you posted...the issue isnt whether it was 10 or 14...to dwell on the number misses the big point..which you obviously fail to understand. "Liberal"...I did a search on the term "first liberal president"...no where was the name Woodrow Wilson provided as a response...so I assume your statement is based on his support for the League of Nations. As most ignorant fools you associate any view to foreign policy other then war as a "liberal" idea. You are entitled to your opinion as misguided as it is. Personally I would never call a flaming white racist "liberal"...the concept of a superior race is definately a conservative idea.

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.

Damn Vince, You continue to outdo yourself, first you accuse me of having to look up the 14 Points, assuming I guess that everyone else is as ignorant as you, then you admit to looking up whether Wilson was a liberal Democrat. I'm not going to try and point out how Wilson's support of the FTC and the Federal Reserve fits him firmly in the camp of modern big-government liberals because you are obviously not bright enough to grasp it. You must have read somewhere that Wilson held racial views typical of most whites born in the mid-nineteenth century and have become obsessed with the subject. The serious student of history never places the views of people from a different era in the context of the modern era. But then you Vince aren't a serious student of anything. You obviously haven't the mental faculties. That's not meant as an insult. Just an expression of an obvious fact.

Any other GAY Republicans besides me looking for a candy cane up the ass? I have 7 of them up my ass right now. When I fart, it smells like Altoids.

What about you FudgePackLeader and Registered Voter? Up for a little "hide the red-and-white sugar hook?" It's fun.

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> BoA pays back TARP funds early.

The NY Times has finally figured out that BoA's early payment has nothing to do with how well they're doing...

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/08/business/08sorkin.html?_r=1&dbk

"Bank of America’s rush to pay back $45 billion in taxpayer-provided bailout money appears to be less about a return to financial health, than the bank’s desire to offer a competitive compensation package to an incoming chief executive, The New York Times’s Andrew Ross Sorkin writes in his latest DealBook column"

Global warming controversity hits NASA climate data
Posted by: Vince(529) ()
Date: December 03, 2009 11:04AM


Looks like fudging of climate data has occurred here in the States. What's up with this?

[www.washingtontimes.com]

The fight over climate science is about to cross the Atlantic with a U.S. researcher poised to sue NASA, demanding the release of the same kind of information that landed a leading British center in hot water over charges that it skewed its data.

Christopher C. Horner, a senior fellow at the Competitive Enterprise Institute, said NASA has refused for two years to provide information under the Freedom of Information Act that would show how the agency has shaped its climate data and explain why the agency has repeatedly had to correct its data dating as far back as the 1930s.

"I assume that what is there is highly damaging," Mr. Horner said. "These guys are quite clearly bound and determined not to reveal their internal discussions about this."

The numbers matter. Under pressure in 2007, NASA recalculated its data and found that 1934, not 1998, was the hottest year in its records for the contiguous 48 states. NASA later changed its data again, and now 1998 and 2006 are tied for the hottest years, with 1934 listed as slightly cooler.


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Re: Global warming controversity hits NASA climate data
Posted by: Algore ()
Date: December 03, 2009 11:45AM


Vince(529) Wrote:
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> Looks like fudging of climate data has occurred
> here in the States. What's up with this?
>
> [www.washingtontimes.com]
> sa-embroiled-in-climate-dispute//print/
>
> The fight over climate science is about to cross
> the Atlantic with a U.S. researcher poised to sue
> NASA, demanding the release of the same kind of
> information that landed a leading British center
> in hot water over charges that it skewed its data.
>
>
> Christopher C. Horner, a senior fellow at the
> Competitive Enterprise Institute, said NASA has
> refused for two years to provide information under
> the Freedom of Information Act that would show how
> the agency has shaped its climate data and explain
> why the agency has repeatedly had to correct its
> data dating as far back as the 1930s.
>
> "I assume that what is there is highly damaging,"
> Mr. Horner said. "These guys are quite clearly
> bound and determined not to reveal their internal
> discussions about this."
>
> The numbers matter. Under pressure in 2007, NASA
> recalculated its data and found that 1934, not
> 1998, was the hottest year in its records for the
> contiguous 48 states. NASA later changed its data
> again, and now 1998 and 2006 are tied for the
> hottest years, with 1934 listed as slightly
> cooler.


Big deal. This stuff is complex; mistakes can happen.


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Re: Global warming controversity hits NASA climate data
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: December 03, 2009 11:53AM


Algore Wrote:
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> Big deal. This stuff is complex; mistakes can
> happen.

Fuck you Al, you're not a scientist so what the fuck do you know? :)

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Re: Global warming controversity hits NASA climate data
Posted by: Algore ()
Date: December 03, 2009 11:55AM


Registered Voter Wrote:
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> Algore Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Big deal. This stuff is complex; mistakes can
> > happen.
>
> Fuck you Al, you're not a scientist so what the
> fuck do you know? :)


But I am an honest politician, merely trying my best for the benefit of humanity. You must acknowledge that.


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Re: Global warming controversity hits NASA climate data
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: December 03, 2009 11:57AM


Algore Wrote:
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> Big deal. This stuff is complex; mistakes can
> happen.

well trolled.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."


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Re: Global warming controversity hits NASA climate data
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: December 03, 2009 11:59AM


Algore Wrote:
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> But I am an honest politician, merely trying my
> best for the benefit of humanity. You must
> acknowledge that.

Fuck you Al, there is no such thing as an "Honest Politician" these days. I don't need to acknowledge anything other than the fact that you are a money grubbing socialist whore. :)

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Re: Global warming controversity hits NASA climate data
Posted by: Algore ()
Date: December 03, 2009 12:14PM


Registered Voter Wrote:
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> Algore Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > But I am an honest politician, merely trying my
> > best for the benefit of humanity. You must
> > acknowledge that.
>
> Fuck you Al, there is no such thing as an "Honest
> Politician" these days. I don't need to
> acknowledge anything other than the fact that you
> are a money grubbing socialist whore. :)


Okay. Forget the climate issue for a moment. Maybe we can start with something we both can agree upon.

About four years ago, I had a bald spot beginning to grow at the crown of my head. I am quite proud of the hair transplant job I had done. Don't you agree it looks good?


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Re: Global warming controversity hits NASA climate data
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: December 03, 2009 12:15PM


Algore Wrote:
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> Okay. Forget the climate issue for a moment.
> Maybe we can start with something we both can
> agree upon.
>
> About four years ago, I had a bald spot beginning
> to grow at the crown of my head. I am quite proud
> of the hair transplant job I had done. Don't you
> agree it looks good?

Oh, you had hair plugs put in? Nice job. Whatever works you know... :)

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Re: Global warming controversity hits NASA climate data
Posted by: Algore ()
Date: December 03, 2009 12:19PM


Registered Voter Wrote:
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> Algore Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Okay. Forget the climate issue for a moment.
> > Maybe we can start with something we both can
> > agree upon.
> >
> > About four years ago, I had a bald spot
> beginning
> > to grow at the crown of my head. I am quite
> proud
> > of the hair transplant job I had done. Don't
> you
> > agree it looks good?
>
> Oh, you had hair plugs put in? Nice job. Whatever
> works you know... :)


Thanks.

The ironic thing, though, is that I am considering going "kojak," what with the climate heating up and all. I haven't sold Tipper on the idea yet, but I think she will come around.


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Re: Global warming controversity hits NASA climate data
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: December 03, 2009 05:26PM


It's all one big massive conspiracy to kill the American Coal industry...you guys gotta get a life.


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Re: Global warming controversity hits NASA climate data
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: December 03, 2009 05:27PM


Registered Voter Wrote:
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> Algore Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > But I am an honest politician, merely trying my
> > best for the benefit of humanity. You must
> > acknowledge that.
>
> Fuck you Al, there is no such thing as an "Honest
> Politician" these days. I don't need to
> acknowledge anything other than the fact that you
> are a money grubbing socialist whore. :)


psycotic cynicisn at it's best.


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Re: Global warming controversity hits NASA climate data
Posted by: ThePackLeader ()
Date: December 04, 2009 03:29AM


Algore Wrote:
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> Registered Voter Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Algore Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > But I am an honest politician, merely trying
> my
> > > best for the benefit of humanity. You must
> > > acknowledge that.
> >
> > Fuck you Al, there is no such thing as an
> "Honest
> > Politician" these days. I don't need to
> > acknowledge anything other than the fact that
> you
> > are a money grubbing socialist whore. :)
>
>
> Okay. Forget the climate issue for a moment.
> Maybe we can start with something we both can
> agree upon.
>
> About four years ago, I had a bald spot beginning
> to grow at the crown of my head. I am quite proud
> of the hair transplant job I had done. Don't you
> agree it looks good?


You're lying, you never had a hair transplant. Your bald spot shrinks and grows with the snow cap on Mt. Kilimanjaro, because you are born from Gaia, and you represent her as the chosen terrestrial oracle.

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Re: Global warming controversity hits NASA climate data
Posted by: Algore ()
Date: December 04, 2009 06:39AM


Vince(1) Wrote:
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> It's all one big massive conspiracy to kill the
> American Coal industry...you guys gotta get a
> life.


You tell 'em, Vince(1)!!!!
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Re: Global warming controversity hits NASA climate data
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: December 04, 2009 06:58AM


Algore Wrote:
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> You tell 'em, Vince(1)!!!!

Well, that probably gave him his morning wood.

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Re: Global warming controversity hits NASA climate data
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: December 04, 2009 07:17AM


Algore Wrote:
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> The ironic thing, though, is that I am considering
> going "kojak," what with the climate heating up
> and all. I haven't sold Tipper on the idea yet,
> but I think she will come around.


It might make you look younger. On the other hand, if your head skin is wrinkly, it might make you look like a giant penis. Be ready to invest in a new wig.

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Re: Global warming controversity hits NASA climate data new
Posted by: Farmer Jack ()
Date: December 04, 2009 09:10AM


Registered Voter Wrote:
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> Algore Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The ironic thing, though, is that I am
> considering
> > going "kojak," what with the climate heating up
> > and all. I haven't sold Tipper on the idea
> yet,
> > but I think she will come around.
>
>
> It might make you look younger. On the other hand,
> if your head skin is wrinkly, it might make you
> look like a giant penis. Be ready to invest in a
> new wig.


You mean a giant PEN 15?


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Re: Global warming controversity hits NASA climate data new
Posted by: Jack Frost ()
Date: December 04, 2009 10:30AM


Hey Al Gore, what's going on?

[www.chron.com]

Houston braces for about 2 inches of snow

Some in Houston area may even see half a foot of the white stuff
By ERIC BERGER and PEGGY O’HARE
HOUSTON CHRONICLE
Dec. 4, 2009, 9:04AM

Houston this morning broke a record with the earliest snowfall ever recorded in the city's history.

Forecasters are still hedging their bets on the amount, but say the most likely scenario is 1 to 2 inches of widespread snowfall through the day. Some areas could get up to a half a foot.
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Should Al Gore Return Oscar? Peace Prize?
Posted by: ToFrei ()
Date: December 07, 2009 11:03AM


Gore Should Give Back Oscar, Two Academy Members Say

Friday, December 4, 2009 1:05 PM

By: James Hirsen Article Font Size




Two members of the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences have called on the group to take back the Oscar awarded to former Vice President Al Gore for the documentary "An Inconvenient Truth."


Roger L. Simon and Lionel Chetwynd made the request based on the e-mails that a hacker/whistle blower released revealing that so-called scientists at the Climatic Research Unit at the University of East Anglia in England systematically falsifying data to support the theory that the earth is heating up and that humans caused it.

"An Inconvenient Truth," a film based on a climate-change speech that Gore developed, won the Academy Award for best documentary feature in 2007. (Coincidentally, the next day, the Tennessee Center for Policy Research uncovered that Gore’s Nashville home guzzled 20 times more electricity than the average American household. )


That same year, the Academy elevated Gore's PowerPoint lecture, helping him to snag a Nobel Peace Prize as well.


The academy members' request that Gore return his statue is happening as preparations are under way for next week's United Nations climate change meeting in Copenhagen, where 16,500 people from 192 countries will fly in using private jets, consume 200,000 meals, and produce an estimated 41,000 tons of carbon dioxide, roughly the same as the carbon emissions of Morocco in 2006.










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Re: Should Al Gore Return Oscar? Peace Prize?
Posted by: WashingTone-Locian ()
Date: December 07, 2009 11:06AM


Some idiots out there have "evidence" that the Holocaust was all a shame. Maybe Steven Spielberg should return his Oscar for Schindler's List?

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Apparently, Roberto Ebanez knew.


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Re: Should Al Gore Return Oscar? Peace Prize?
Posted by: pgens ()
Date: December 07, 2009 02:03PM


WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> Some idiots out there have "evidence" that the
> Holocaust was all a shame.

I guess count me in that crowd, I don't require much evidence beyond the history books.




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Re: Should Al Gore Return Oscar? Peace Prize?
Posted by: ThePackLeader ()
Date: December 07, 2009 02:09PM


WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> Some idiots out there have "evidence" that the
> Holocaust was all a shame. Maybe Steven Spielberg
> should return his Oscar for Schindler's List?


I assume that you mean "Sham".

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Date: December 07, 2009 07:19PM


ThePackLeader Wrote:
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> I assume that you mean "Sham".

Why ruin the fun :)




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Re: Should Al Gore Return Oscar? Peace Prize?
Posted by: J35U5 ()
Date: December 07, 2009 07:39PM


> WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> Some idiots out there have "evidence" that the
> Holocaust was all a shame.

Sounds like something Mel Gibson would say! ;)

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Re: Should Al Gore Return Oscar? Peace Prize?
Posted by: WashingTone-Locian ()
Date: December 08, 2009 04:22PM


Yeah. I meant "sham." D'oh!

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Re: Should Al Gore Return Oscar? Peace Prize?
Posted by: Sham Wow! ()
Date: December 08, 2009 05:07PM


The peace prize was shown to be a sham when Obama won this year. No meaning to that prize anymore.

As far as Academy Awards, Liberal actors are the only ones that are valued by Hollywood so who cares?


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Re: Should Al Gore Return Oscar? Peace Prize?
Posted by: Sham Wow! ()
Date: December 08, 2009 05:15PM


I must say that I admire Sarah Palin's intelligence. She should have won the peace prize based on her whoziwitzits and gotcha questions and dandilions and oh, what was I saying again? I'm slow.


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Sarah Palin might launch Presidential bid at Iowa book-signing tour
Posted by: Chewy ()
Date: December 07, 2009 02:10PM


Sarah Palin might launch Presidential bid at Iowa book-signing tour

Please, Lord, Please! Make it stop! Make the Republicans stop drinking.

There is mounting speculation that the former Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin is going to announce a possible presidential bid with a stop in Iowa during her national book-signing tour.

This is being speculated because Iowa’s caucuses have traditionally launched the presidential nominating season.

Read more: [www.thaindian.com]


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Re: Sarah Palin might launch Presidential bid at Iowa book-signing tour
Posted by: slash n burn ()
Date: December 07, 2009 03:39PM


Palin isn't perfect, but she is the only politician who GETS IT. SHe's one of us...a REAL American who understands what we go through, not some kenyan playboy or some child molesting senator who gives out tug jobs in the bathroom. I support Palin because she will stick up for the little guy


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Re: Sarah Palin might launch Presidential bid at Iowa book-signing tour
Posted by: Lopter53 ()
Date: December 07, 2009 04:09PM


slash n burn Wrote:
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> Palin isn't perfect, but she is the only
> politician who GETS IT. SHe's one of us...a REAL
> American who understands what we go through, not
> some kenyan playboy or some child molesting
> senator who gives out tug jobs in the bathroom. I
> support Palin because she will stick up for the
> little guy

You betcha, she is just a simple hockey Mom.


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Re: Sarah Palin might launch Presidential bid at Iowa book-signing tour
Posted by: TheSeeker ()
Date: December 07, 2009 06:02PM


Considering the President we have now, Pee Wee Herman would be a better deal
than Obama.


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Re: Sarah Palin might launch Presidential bid at Iowa book-signing tour
Posted by: TheSeeker ()
Date: December 07, 2009 06:17PM


But, considering my vast knowledge of all things Pee Wee, this makes me an epic tool.


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Re: Sarah Palin might launch Presidential bid at Iowa book-signing tour
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: December 07, 2009 06:18PM


slash n burn Wrote:
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>
>...a REAL American who understands what we go through,


The reason most self-described "REAL Americans" shouldn't set foot near the White House:
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Bill O'Reilly: Let me be very bold and fresh again, do you believe that you are smart enough, incisive enough, intellectual enough to handle the most powerful job in the world?

Sarah Palin: I believe that I am because I have common sense and I have I believe the values that I think are reflective of so many other American values, and I believe that what Americans are seeking is not the elitism, the uhm, the ah, a kind of spineless, spinelessness that perhaps is made up for that with some kind of elite, Ivy league education and, and a fat resume that is based on anything but hard work and private sector, free enterprise principles. Americans are could be seeking something like that in positive change in their leadership, I'm not saying that that has to be me.


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Posted by: Sarah Palin ()
Date: December 07, 2009 06:29PM


I believe that I am because I have common sense and I have I believe the values that I think are reflective of so many other American values, and I believe that what Americans are seeking is not the elitism, the uhm, the ah, a kind of spineless, spinelessness that perhaps is made up for that with some kind of elite, Ivy league education and, and a fat resume that is based on anything but hard work and private sector, free enterprise principles. Americans are could be seeking something like that in positive change in their leadership, I'm not saying that that has to be me.

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Sorry, but I subbed out English courses for Fashion Merchandising at the sixteen different schools I attended to get my Bachelor's degree. My supporters are stupid, so they will understand my rogue speak. Here's my educational background. Notice my major is Communications.

- Hawaii Pacific University in the Fall of 1982,

- North Idaho College in the Spring and Fall of 1983,

- University of Idaho in the Fall of 1984 and Spring of 1985,

- Matanuska-Susitna College in the Fall of 1985,

- University of Idaho again in the Spring and Fall of 1986 and the Fall of 1987, when she received her Bachelor's degree in COMMUNICATIONS.

WTF??????


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Re: Sarah Palin might launch Presidential bid at Iowa book-signing tour
Posted by: Joy ()
Date: December 07, 2009 08:23PM


Sarah Palin Wrote:
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> Sorry, but I subbed out English courses for
> Fashion Merchandising at the sixteen different
> schools I attended to get my Bachelor's degree.
> My supporters are stupid, so they will understand
> my rogue speak. Here's my educational background.
> Notice my major is Communications.
>
> - Hawaii Pacific University in the Fall of 1982,
>
> - North Idaho College in the Spring and Fall of
> 1983,
>

Enough of cut pasting crap. Ban that IP range

I'm not a huge Vince-basher. I usually choose to ignore him and even occasionally agree with him. That said, I think his latest behavior shows he has fallen off the deep end. For a guy who is upset that nobody here likes him, I'm not sure what he's hoping to accomplish with these actions.

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He's needed to step away from here for a long time. For all my flames on his ass, I do throw in commentary from time to time that is no way meant to be incendiary, and it has been along the lines that he needs to do something. He has been bent for quite a while.

Noted before, I did attempt to ignore him - but others here kept encouraging him. So there was really little for me to gain on that front. This latest behavior on his part is just symptomatic of his overall issues - he has a certain belief in the world that has little if anything to do with reality at the moment. So since no one here really wants to listen to his manic rants, he has decided that no one else should be able to ignore him.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University



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WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> I'm not a huge Vince-basher. I usually choose to
> ignore him and even occasionally agree with him.
> That said, I think his latest behavior shows he
> has fallen off the deep end. For a guy who is
> upset that nobody here likes him, I'm not sure
> what he's hoping to accomplish with these actions.


What gives you the impression I want to be liked? I dont even care if I am ignored....but rude behavior must be stopped.

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.

I am not motivated by others encouragement. Yes, I will respond to decent conversation...and yes I will respond to the right wing racist statements made by "some" on here....and I will continue to do so.

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> I dont even care if I am ignored....

there is strong evidence suggesting just the opposite.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> ...but rude behavior must be stopped.

Oh, I totally agree.



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More like a nightmare for Obama and the Democrats....

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Retail sales fell in December as demand for autos, clothing and appliances all slipped, a disappointing finish to a year in which sales had the largest drop on record.

The weakness in consumer demand highlighted the formidable hurdles facing the economy as it struggles to recover from the deepest recession in seven decades.

The Commerce Department said Thursday that retail sales declined 0.3 percent in December compared with November, much weaker than the 0.5 percent rise that economists had been expecting. Excluding autos, sales dropped by 0.2 percent, also weaker than the 0.3 percent rise analyst had forecast.

For the year, sales fell 6.2 percent, the biggest decline on records that go back to 1992. The only other year that annual sales fell was in 2008, when they slipped by 0.5 percent.

Consumer spending is considered critical to any sustained economic revival since consumer spending accounts for 70 percent of total economic activity.

The 6.2 percent fall in the government's retail sales figure is only the second decline on records that go back to 1992. In all other years, even during previous recessions, retail sales, which are not adjusted for inflation, have managed to increase.

AND....

WASHINGTON — New claims for jobless insurance benefits in the United States rose for the second consecutive week amid persistent labor market concerns even as the economy recovers from recession.

The seasonally adjusted initial claims for unemployment insurance benefits in the week ending January 9 stood at 444,000, an increase of 11,000 from the previous week's revised figure of 433,000, the Labor Department said.

Most economists had forecast that claims would be around 437,000.

AND....

More than 2.8M U.S. homeowners received a foreclosure notice in 2009, representing one in 45 households and setting a new record. According to RealtyTrac's year-end report, 2009 saw 21% more foreclosures than there were in 2008, and more than double those from 2007.

It’s been a brutal year for foreclosure activity and there’s “no end in sight,” says Rick Sharga, senior vice president of RealtyTrac, which is set to release its undoubtedly grim year-end report at midnight on Thursday.

“We’re setting new records almost every day,” Mr. Sharga says. Even worse: “Everybody keeps looking for a quick fix to this. There really isn’t one.”

I admit the prognosis isn't looking great for 2010 at this point. There is still time. Also, if the teabaggers have their way with the party, who knows how many seats the GOP will blow on their own by nominating nutcases.

We will have to wait and see.

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WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> I admit the prognosis isn't looking great for 2010
> at this point. There is still time. Also, if the
> teabaggers have their way with the party, who
> knows how many seats the GOP will blow on their
> own by nominating nutcases.
>
> We will have to wait and see.

Teabaggers will create a few bloody and costly primaries. The real problem though is the fact that the NRCC has little to no cash and will have to spread it around too many candidates. They will likely pick up 25-30 seats, but not get the 40 needed. If the funding was there, a GOP takeover of the House would be a possibility, albeit a remote one at this point. The Dems, on the other hand, have done little to nothing to demonstrate they deserve reelection. A slim majority for either party will give the moderates of both parties more input and be a better situation overall.

Registered Voter wrote:

"For all my flames on his ass."

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RV, why can't you put flames on my ass? You know, as a Republican male, there's nothing more that I want than flame, flaming flamers!

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> Registered Voter wrote:
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> "For all my flames on his ass."
>
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>
> RV, why can't you put flames on my ass? You know,
> as a Republican male, there's nothing more that I
> want than flame, flaming flamers!

Real fucking mature, imposter. If this is the mentality of the average Democratic voter, it is no wonder the party is losing credibility. Try to have an intelligent conversation and this is the best the Dems can come up with. By the way, ever here of psychological projection? You are the poster child for it.

You wrote:

"By the way, ever here of...."

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SPELLING / GRAMMAR FAIL! To your point, you have to have credibilty in order to lose it. The Republicans have ZERO, so, you FAIL AGAIN.

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> You wrote:
>
> "By the way, ever here of...."
>
> --------------------------------
>
> SPELLING / GRAMMAR FAIL! To your point, you have
> to have credibilty in order to lose it. The
> Republicans have ZERO, so, you FAIL AGAIN.

Yes, I had a spelling fail, but you obviously had a reading comp fail. I wrote, "If this is the mentality of the average Democratic voter, it is no wonder the party is losing credibility." Notice how there is no mention of Republican credibility or lack thereof? The sentence deals with Democrats losing crdibility which indicates they have/had some. Good to see you came up with an original name of your own though. Your thoughtful discourse is doing wonders for the Democratic party though. Ever think about switching parties and going to the teabagger rallies. With your mental capacity and penchant for original thinking, you'd fit right in.

You seem a bit agitated. Did you not eat enough bran at breakfast this morning. Perhaps a gay male Republican activist, such as Registered Voter, could assist you with some manual assistance.

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> You seem a bit agitated. Did you not eat enough
> bran at breakfast this morning. Perhaps a gay
> male Republican activist, such as Registered
> Voter, could assist you with some manual
> assistance.

Yeah, again with that projection thing. Do you mean agitated enough to troll around impersonating names pretending to be gay Republicans because you are frustrated with your own party's shortcomings? So, which agitates you more, the fact that the Democrats are squandering a golden opportunity, or people are calling them out for their lack of production? Grow up, get an education, get informed enough so that you can come back with more than gay Republican crap.

I don't know why I call people out on my own shortcomings in life. I bet the people I argue with on this forum are all highly-educated, professional individuals, unlike myself.

I wonder if it's transparent that I failed out of NoVA community college? It's ok. I really love my job at Denny's.