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What The CBO Says about Requiring Citizens To Purchase Health Insurance
Posted by:
interesting
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Date: November 22, 2009 11:47PM
"A mandate requiring all individuals to purchase health insurance would be an
unprecedented form of federal action. The government has never required people to buy any good or service as a condition of lawful residence in the United States. An individual mandate would have two features that, in combination, would make it unique. First, it would impose a duty on individuals as members of society. Second, it would require people to purchase a specific service that would be heavily regulated by the federal government."
http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/48xx/doc4816/doc38.pdf
unprecedented form of federal action. The government has never required people to buy any good or service as a condition of lawful residence in the United States. An individual mandate would have two features that, in combination, would make it unique. First, it would impose a duty on individuals as members of society. Second, it would require people to purchase a specific service that would be heavily regulated by the federal government."
http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/48xx/doc4816/doc38.pdf
Re: What The CBO Says about Requiring Citizens To Purchase Health Insurance
Posted by:
Dane Bramage
()
Date: November 23, 2009 05:37AM
It's for our own protection, like a huge seatbelt.
Of course tort reform and fixing the FDA would do more to lower healthcare cost than this (sure to be) pork laden socialist bill.
Of course tort reform and fixing the FDA would do more to lower healthcare cost than this (sure to be) pork laden socialist bill.
Re: What The CBO Says about Requiring Citizens To Purchase Health Insurance
Posted by:
Vince(1)
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Date: November 23, 2009 07:15AM
Dane Bramage Wrote:
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> It's for our own protection, like a huge
> seatbelt.
>
> Of course tort reform and fixing the FDA would do
> more to lower healthcare cost than this (sure to
> be) pork laden socialist bill.
Pork? It reuces the deficit...oh but of course who trusts our government any longer. Oh...and of course..republicans already have plans to go to the Supreme Court making the case that the mandate is unconstitutional.
Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/23/2009 07:16AM by Vince(1).
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> It's for our own protection, like a huge
> seatbelt.
>
> Of course tort reform and fixing the FDA would do
> more to lower healthcare cost than this (sure to
> be) pork laden socialist bill.
Pork? It reuces the deficit...oh but of course who trusts our government any longer. Oh...and of course..republicans already have plans to go to the Supreme Court making the case that the mandate is unconstitutional.
Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/23/2009 07:16AM by Vince(1).
Re: What The CBO Says about Requiring Citizens To Purchase Health Insurance
Posted by:
Registered Voter
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Date: November 23, 2009 07:58AM
Reduces the deficit? Only if you believe in Bernie Madoff economics theory. They impose taxes and fees for 4-5 years before they ever pay out any benefits. A government run Ponzi scheme - made legal by Federal law? LOL.
If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University
If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University
Re: What The CBO Says about Requiring Citizens To Purchase Health Insurance
Posted by:
trogdor!
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Date: November 23, 2009 08:24AM
Registered Voter Wrote:
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> They impose taxes and
> fees for 4-5 years before they ever pay out any
> benefits. A government run Ponzi scheme - made
> legal by Federal law? LOL.
That is my understanding as well. What happens after that 5 year time frame is what we have to be worried about. There's just no way I believe the government is going to be able to run this thing without running it (and the nation) into the ground.
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> They impose taxes and
> fees for 4-5 years before they ever pay out any
> benefits. A government run Ponzi scheme - made
> legal by Federal law? LOL.
That is my understanding as well. What happens after that 5 year time frame is what we have to be worried about. There's just no way I believe the government is going to be able to run this thing without running it (and the nation) into the ground.
Re: What The CBO Says about Requiring Citizens To Purchase Health Insurance
Posted by:
Tim45
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Date: November 23, 2009 09:08AM
It works exactly like a Ponzi scheme. Those getting in now as adults will receive health care while those entering later on, i.e. younger generation, will be stuck with ever increasing fees or taxes. Like the Ponzi those that are at the top benefit, those at the bottom pay.
As far as Vince saying no one trust the government, I will let history be the judge. Massive government programs that failed: Social security, Medicare, Medicaid, PUblic Housing, FDIC, Pension Guaranty Fund and the list goes on, you get the idea.
As far as Vince saying no one trust the government, I will let history be the judge. Massive government programs that failed: Social security, Medicare, Medicaid, PUblic Housing, FDIC, Pension Guaranty Fund and the list goes on, you get the idea.
Re: What The CBO Says about Requiring Citizens To Purchase Health Insurance
Posted by:
WashingTone-Locian
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Date: November 23, 2009 09:10AM
I have to think that the requirement to buy insurance probably won't stand up to a court challenge.
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Re: What The CBO Says about Requiring Citizens To Purchase Health Insurance
Posted by:
Vince(1)
()
Date: November 23, 2009 09:29AM
Registered Voter Wrote:
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> Reduces the deficit? Only if you believe in Bernie
> Madoff economics theory. They impose taxes and
> fees for 4-5 years before they ever pay out any
> benefits. A government run Ponzi scheme - made
> legal by Federal law? LOL.
It's called ever invreasing medical expenses..it's called people using emergency rooms for their primary care..it's called finding illnesses earlier. It's real despite your cynicism.
Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.
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> Reduces the deficit? Only if you believe in Bernie
> Madoff economics theory. They impose taxes and
> fees for 4-5 years before they ever pay out any
> benefits. A government run Ponzi scheme - made
> legal by Federal law? LOL.
It's called ever invreasing medical expenses..it's called people using emergency rooms for their primary care..it's called finding illnesses earlier. It's real despite your cynicism.
Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.
Re: What The CBO Says about Requiring Citizens To Purchase Health Insurance
Posted by:
Vince(1)
()
Date: November 23, 2009 09:31AM
Tim45 Wrote:
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> It works exactly like a Ponzi scheme. Those
> getting in now as adults will receive health care
> while those entering later on, i.e. younger
> generation, will be stuck with ever increasing
> fees or taxes. Like the Ponzi those that are at
> the top benefit, those at the bottom pay.
>
> As far as Vince saying no one trust the
> government, I will let history be the judge.
> Massive government programs that failed: Social
> security, Medicare, Medicaid, PUblic Housing,
> FDIC, Pension Guaranty Fund and the list goes on,
> you get the idea.
And Id like you to point out the failures in any of those programs? No one has missed a Social Security check...no one has lost any money in an FDIC insured bank. Those are all great programs..your definition of faliure is absolutely bizarre. I wish you could live a day in the draconian world you seem to prefer.
Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.
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> It works exactly like a Ponzi scheme. Those
> getting in now as adults will receive health care
> while those entering later on, i.e. younger
> generation, will be stuck with ever increasing
> fees or taxes. Like the Ponzi those that are at
> the top benefit, those at the bottom pay.
>
> As far as Vince saying no one trust the
> government, I will let history be the judge.
> Massive government programs that failed: Social
> security, Medicare, Medicaid, PUblic Housing,
> FDIC, Pension Guaranty Fund and the list goes on,
> you get the idea.
And Id like you to point out the failures in any of those programs? No one has missed a Social Security check...no one has lost any money in an FDIC insured bank. Those are all great programs..your definition of faliure is absolutely bizarre. I wish you could live a day in the draconian world you seem to prefer.
Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.
Re: What The CBO Says about Requiring Citizens To Purchase Health Insurance
Posted by:
Vince(1)
()
Date: November 23, 2009 09:33AM
WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> I have to think that the requirement to buy
> insurance probably won't stand up to a court
> challenge.
Under what basis? Which article of the Constitution does it break?
Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.
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> I have to think that the requirement to buy
> insurance probably won't stand up to a court
> challenge.
Under what basis? Which article of the Constitution does it break?
Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.
Re: What The CBO Says about Requiring Citizens To Purchase Health Insurance
Posted by:
Tim45
()
Date: November 23, 2009 09:43AM
Umm Vince none of the programs has operated within budget. In simple terms they are broke and most have been for years. Running a deficit year in and year out is not my idea of a "great" program.
You must be either a current government employee that does nothing all day but annoy co-workers or someone on the government dole always on the make for more freebies. Which is it?
You must be either a current government employee that does nothing all day but annoy co-workers or someone on the government dole always on the make for more freebies. Which is it?
Re: What The CBO Says about Requiring Citizens To Purchase Health Insurance
Posted by:
WashingTone-Locian
()
Date: November 23, 2009 11:20AM
Vince(1) Wrote:
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> WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I have to think that the requirement to buy
> > insurance probably won't stand up to a court
> > challenge.
>
>
> Under what basis? Which article of the
> Constitution does it break?
I'm not a Constitutional lawyer, but it appears that the government is penalizing citizens for not handing money over to a private entity. It seems to me that crosses Freedom of Association at some point because the government is compelling people to associate with someone they would rather not which isn't the government.
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> WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I have to think that the requirement to buy
> > insurance probably won't stand up to a court
> > challenge.
>
>
> Under what basis? Which article of the
> Constitution does it break?
I'm not a Constitutional lawyer, but it appears that the government is penalizing citizens for not handing money over to a private entity. It seems to me that crosses Freedom of Association at some point because the government is compelling people to associate with someone they would rather not which isn't the government.
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http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm
Re: What The CBO Says about Requiring Citizens To Purchase Health Insurance
Posted by:
Vince(1)
()
Date: November 23, 2009 03:08PM
Tim45 Wrote:
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> Umm Vince none of the programs has operated within
> budget. In simple terms they are broke and most
> have been for years. Running a deficit year in and
> year out is not my idea of a "great" program.
>
> You must be either a current government employee
> that does nothing all day but annoy co-workers or
> someone on the government dole always on the make
> for more freebies. Which is it?
Failing to operate within budget is a failure in our will to collect sufficient reveneue collection/taxes...not the programs themselves. Under your definition you could put every single thing the federal governemnt in the failure column. Those programs were not designed to generate revenue..they were designed as social safety nets..andas suh are great successes.
Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.
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> Umm Vince none of the programs has operated within
> budget. In simple terms they are broke and most
> have been for years. Running a deficit year in and
> year out is not my idea of a "great" program.
>
> You must be either a current government employee
> that does nothing all day but annoy co-workers or
> someone on the government dole always on the make
> for more freebies. Which is it?
Failing to operate within budget is a failure in our will to collect sufficient reveneue collection/taxes...not the programs themselves. Under your definition you could put every single thing the federal governemnt in the failure column. Those programs were not designed to generate revenue..they were designed as social safety nets..andas suh are great successes.
Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.
Re: What The CBO Says about Requiring Citizens To Purchase Health Insurance
Posted by:
trogdor!
()
Date: November 24, 2009 12:41AM
Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Under what basis? Which article of the
> Constitution does it break?
What? Is that thing still in effect?
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> Under what basis? Which article of the
> Constitution does it break?
What? Is that thing still in effect?