I just saw Karen Leiser on the beltway! She was a passenger in a silverish Toyota Camry, probably about 2014, license nbr UGC 64xx, between Rt 7 and 123. The driver was a male with medium length light brown hair. No facial hair but he had an ear ring and a big nose which he was digging into when I passed them. Karen looked as if she was leaning over towards they dude like she was into him. Her left arm was over on his knee or possibly his crotch. If his dick was out it was not visible so probably small. She looked exactly like Karen pics here, with thin lips and pinkish lipstick. No kids visible so Phil must have them today. I wanted to follow them and ask for an autograph, but I had somewhere else to be.