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Something is not adding up.
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Date: July 13, 2017 10:58AM
This is an independent article please keep political swipes out of it. Thank you.
Something is not adding up...
Russian spy houses shut down and the US is not giving them back to Russia. This makes Putin very angry. Why does he want them back so badly? Is something still on the premises that we have overlooked?
NEVER TRUST A RUSSIAN!
Ukraine snubbing Trump campaign.
Telizhenko, the former embassy staffer, said that, during the primaries, Chaly, the country’s ambassador in Washington, had actually instructed the embassy not to reach out to Trump’s campaign, even as it was engaging with those of Clinton and Trump’s leading GOP rival, Ted Cruz.
“We had an order not to talk to the Trump team because he was critical of Ukraine and the government and his critical position on Crimea and the conflict,” said Telizhenko. “I was yelled at when I proposed to talk to Trump,” he said, adding, “The ambassador said not to get involved — Hillary is going to win.”
This account was confirmed by Nalyvaichenko, the former diplomat and security chief now affiliated with a Poroshenko opponent, who said, “The Ukrainian authorities closed all doors and windows — this is from the Ukrainian side.” He called the strategy “bad and short-sighted.”
Andriy Artemenko, a Ukrainian parliamentarian associated with a conservative opposition party, did meet with Trump’s team during the campaign and said he personally offered to set up similar meetings for Chaly but was rebuffed.
“It was clear that they were supporting Hillary Clinton’s candidacy,” Artemenko said. “They did everything from organizing meetings with the Clinton team, to publicly supporting her, to criticizing Trump. … I think that they simply didn’t meet because they thought that Hillary would win.”
Ukraine is not really independent of Russia.
NEVER TRUST A UKRAINIAN
Possible Motive for continued smear by Ukraine
And she pointed out that Chaly traveled to the GOP convention in Cleveland in late July and met with members of Trump’s foreign policy team “to highlight the importance of Ukraine and the support of it by the U.S.”
Despite the outreach, Trump’s campaign in Cleveland gutted a proposed amendment to the Republican Party platform that called for the U.S. to provide “lethal defensive weapons” for Ukraine to defend itself against Russian incursion, backers of the measure charged.
The outreach ramped up after Trump’s victory. Shulyar pointed out that Poroshenko was among the first foreign leaders to call to congratulate Trump.
And she said that, since Election Day, Chaly has met with close Trump allies, including Sens. Jeff Sessions, Trump’s nominee for attorney general, and Bob Corker, the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, while the ambassador accompanied Ivanna Klympush-Tsintsadze, Ukraine’s vice prime minister for European and Euro-Atlantic integration, to a round of Washington meetings with Rep. Tom Marino (R-Pa.), an early Trump backer, and Jim DeMint, president of The Heritage Foundation, which played a prominent role in Trump’s transition.
*NOTE NO OUTREACH TO GEN.FLYNN
Ukraine playing both sides they meddled and fed the DNC bad Info. Did Putin know this and direct his efforts to undermine the DNC?
Was the DNC hack by the Ukraine IOT have info for future leverage? Leverage they could exercise against Hillary to get her to provide arms against Russia.
Her statements on the campaign trail were extremely anti-Putin. In spite of signing off on Uranium One and the Donations to the CF.
Did the public snubbing by Hillary of Putin cause an FSB operation?
Was it the Ukraine trying to straddle the fence after it became increasingly alarmed by Candidate Trumps gains in the polls?
Did the Ukraine initiate the hacks and reverse Pickpocket the data?
Who gave the data to Wiki Leaks?
Weeks later, BGR reported to the Department of Justice that the government of Ukraine would pay the firm $50,000 a month to “provide strategic public relations and government affairs counsel,” including “outreach to U.S. government officials, non-government organizations, members of the media and other individuals.”
Firm spokesman Jeffrey Birnbaum suggested that “pro-Putin oligarchs” were already trying to sow doubts about BGR’s work with Poroshenko. While the firm maintains close relationships with GOP congressional leaders, several of its principals were dismissive or sharply critical of Trump during the GOP primary, which could limit their effectiveness lobbying the new administration.
The Poroshenko regime’s standing with Trump is considered so dire that the president’s allies after the election actually reached out to make amends with — and even seek assistance from — Manafort, according to two operatives familiar with Ukraine’s efforts to make inroads with Trump.
WHY ???
They spent a lot of time sinking Manafort! So why reach out to someone you called a mortal enemy? Why reach out to someone you spent millions to discredit and remove from the position of a presidential campaign manager?Why reach out to a person you hold responsible for the economic ruin of your country?
Meanwhile, Poroshenko’s rivals are seeking to capitalize on his dicey relationship with Trump’s team. Some are pressuring him to replace Chaly, a close ally of Poroshenko’s who is being blamed by critics in Kiev and Washington for implementing — if not engineering — the country’s anti-Trump efforts, according to Ukrainian and U.S. politicians and operatives interviewed for this story.
They say that several potential Poroshenko opponents have been through Washington since the election seeking audiences of their own with Trump allies, though most have failed to do so.
“None of the Ukrainians have any access to Trump — they are all desperate to get it, and are willing to pay big for it,” said one American consultant whose company recently met in Washington with Yuriy Boyko, a former vice prime minister under Yanukovych.
Boyko, who like Yanukovych has a pro-Russian worldview, is considering a presidential campaign of his own, and his representatives offered “to pay a shit-ton of money” to get access to Trump and his inaugural events, according to the consultant.
The consultant turned down the work, explaining, “It sounded shady, and we don’t want to get in the middle of that kind of stuff.”
Who directed Manafort to the Trump campaign? Putin?
Has Manafort been working for the Ukrainians the whole time? Did the Ukrainians enlist and embed Manafort into the Trump campaign to sabotage it?
Was this to give Hillary a guaranteed win? Or was this to damage her campaign.
One fact is certain
Both the Russians and the Ukrainians had knowledge of the actions each side was undertaking. The continuation of their war spilled over into the US elections and sullied everyone involved.
The confusing part is this
There is a Russian side to the story, a Ukrainian side, a DNC side, and an RNC side. Somewhere in the middle lies the truth.
What of the RNC servers? Why have we not heard of them?
One thing I did notice is that the Systems, Personnel, and Accounts that interacted with the Ukrainians are the ones that were hacked. No other systems were touched. The RNC systems never had any Ukrainian contact.
feel free to add to this in a scholarly way.
Something is not adding up...
Russian spy houses shut down and the US is not giving them back to Russia. This makes Putin very angry. Why does he want them back so badly? Is something still on the premises that we have overlooked?
NEVER TRUST A RUSSIAN!
Ukraine snubbing Trump campaign.
Telizhenko, the former embassy staffer, said that, during the primaries, Chaly, the country’s ambassador in Washington, had actually instructed the embassy not to reach out to Trump’s campaign, even as it was engaging with those of Clinton and Trump’s leading GOP rival, Ted Cruz.
“We had an order not to talk to the Trump team because he was critical of Ukraine and the government and his critical position on Crimea and the conflict,” said Telizhenko. “I was yelled at when I proposed to talk to Trump,” he said, adding, “The ambassador said not to get involved — Hillary is going to win.”
This account was confirmed by Nalyvaichenko, the former diplomat and security chief now affiliated with a Poroshenko opponent, who said, “The Ukrainian authorities closed all doors and windows — this is from the Ukrainian side.” He called the strategy “bad and short-sighted.”
Andriy Artemenko, a Ukrainian parliamentarian associated with a conservative opposition party, did meet with Trump’s team during the campaign and said he personally offered to set up similar meetings for Chaly but was rebuffed.
“It was clear that they were supporting Hillary Clinton’s candidacy,” Artemenko said. “They did everything from organizing meetings with the Clinton team, to publicly supporting her, to criticizing Trump. … I think that they simply didn’t meet because they thought that Hillary would win.”
Ukraine is not really independent of Russia.
NEVER TRUST A UKRAINIAN
Possible Motive for continued smear by Ukraine
And she pointed out that Chaly traveled to the GOP convention in Cleveland in late July and met with members of Trump’s foreign policy team “to highlight the importance of Ukraine and the support of it by the U.S.”
Despite the outreach, Trump’s campaign in Cleveland gutted a proposed amendment to the Republican Party platform that called for the U.S. to provide “lethal defensive weapons” for Ukraine to defend itself against Russian incursion, backers of the measure charged.
The outreach ramped up after Trump’s victory. Shulyar pointed out that Poroshenko was among the first foreign leaders to call to congratulate Trump.
And she said that, since Election Day, Chaly has met with close Trump allies, including Sens. Jeff Sessions, Trump’s nominee for attorney general, and Bob Corker, the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, while the ambassador accompanied Ivanna Klympush-Tsintsadze, Ukraine’s vice prime minister for European and Euro-Atlantic integration, to a round of Washington meetings with Rep. Tom Marino (R-Pa.), an early Trump backer, and Jim DeMint, president of The Heritage Foundation, which played a prominent role in Trump’s transition.
*NOTE NO OUTREACH TO GEN.FLYNN
Ukraine playing both sides they meddled and fed the DNC bad Info. Did Putin know this and direct his efforts to undermine the DNC?
Was the DNC hack by the Ukraine IOT have info for future leverage? Leverage they could exercise against Hillary to get her to provide arms against Russia.
Her statements on the campaign trail were extremely anti-Putin. In spite of signing off on Uranium One and the Donations to the CF.
Did the public snubbing by Hillary of Putin cause an FSB operation?
Was it the Ukraine trying to straddle the fence after it became increasingly alarmed by Candidate Trumps gains in the polls?
Did the Ukraine initiate the hacks and reverse Pickpocket the data?
Who gave the data to Wiki Leaks?
Weeks later, BGR reported to the Department of Justice that the government of Ukraine would pay the firm $50,000 a month to “provide strategic public relations and government affairs counsel,” including “outreach to U.S. government officials, non-government organizations, members of the media and other individuals.”
Firm spokesman Jeffrey Birnbaum suggested that “pro-Putin oligarchs” were already trying to sow doubts about BGR’s work with Poroshenko. While the firm maintains close relationships with GOP congressional leaders, several of its principals were dismissive or sharply critical of Trump during the GOP primary, which could limit their effectiveness lobbying the new administration.
The Poroshenko regime’s standing with Trump is considered so dire that the president’s allies after the election actually reached out to make amends with — and even seek assistance from — Manafort, according to two operatives familiar with Ukraine’s efforts to make inroads with Trump.
WHY ???
They spent a lot of time sinking Manafort! So why reach out to someone you called a mortal enemy? Why reach out to someone you spent millions to discredit and remove from the position of a presidential campaign manager?Why reach out to a person you hold responsible for the economic ruin of your country?
Meanwhile, Poroshenko’s rivals are seeking to capitalize on his dicey relationship with Trump’s team. Some are pressuring him to replace Chaly, a close ally of Poroshenko’s who is being blamed by critics in Kiev and Washington for implementing — if not engineering — the country’s anti-Trump efforts, according to Ukrainian and U.S. politicians and operatives interviewed for this story.
They say that several potential Poroshenko opponents have been through Washington since the election seeking audiences of their own with Trump allies, though most have failed to do so.
“None of the Ukrainians have any access to Trump — they are all desperate to get it, and are willing to pay big for it,” said one American consultant whose company recently met in Washington with Yuriy Boyko, a former vice prime minister under Yanukovych.
Boyko, who like Yanukovych has a pro-Russian worldview, is considering a presidential campaign of his own, and his representatives offered “to pay a shit-ton of money” to get access to Trump and his inaugural events, according to the consultant.
The consultant turned down the work, explaining, “It sounded shady, and we don’t want to get in the middle of that kind of stuff.”
Who directed Manafort to the Trump campaign? Putin?
Has Manafort been working for the Ukrainians the whole time? Did the Ukrainians enlist and embed Manafort into the Trump campaign to sabotage it?
Was this to give Hillary a guaranteed win? Or was this to damage her campaign.
One fact is certain
Both the Russians and the Ukrainians had knowledge of the actions each side was undertaking. The continuation of their war spilled over into the US elections and sullied everyone involved.
The confusing part is this
There is a Russian side to the story, a Ukrainian side, a DNC side, and an RNC side. Somewhere in the middle lies the truth.
What of the RNC servers? Why have we not heard of them?
One thing I did notice is that the Systems, Personnel, and Accounts that interacted with the Ukrainians are the ones that were hacked. No other systems were touched. The RNC systems never had any Ukrainian contact.
feel free to add to this in a scholarly way.