So Windows 7 is coming out this week, and it is supposed to be far superior to Vista. Anybody rushing out to get it?

Gravis telling us how much better linux is in 3 2 1....

I got it as part of the student thing for some e acadamy website. I must say, it's pretty awesome, the slimpicity and functionality of xp with the look of vista



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Wait six months until they've plugged the major security holes and patched it a couple times.

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I downloaded an iso image a few months ago, even burned it to DVD, but then never got around to setting up an old PC to install it on.

XCRam's description makes me not want to bother, ever.

If it has the simplicity and functionality of XP, which I already have and have used for years and know the ins-and-outs and all of my software works on it, and XP is not lacking any features I need, I can do without the look of vista.

Honestly, what is the purpose of running out and getting the latest and greatest every time? If a commodore 128 is working for you, if it does everything you need, who cares?

What awesome feature is going to justify a brand new learning curve? As long as XP is still supported for new software, I'll stick with it, even on replacement PCs in the future. Until I can no longer obtain a copy of XP or most software no longer runs on it, or something. Only then could I justify having to go through a whole new learning curve.

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hardware requirements aside, win7 is a actually decent. it's a hell of a lot better than vista. i think the last good (quality/bugs and features to hardware requirements ratio) version of windows was win2k but win7 is actually actually really nice IF you have good enough hardware to run it on.

it's a step in the right direction.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

I've ordered an OEM copy.. and considering stepping up to an SSD to run it off of. Anyone had any experience installing it on an SSD?

Ive heard horror stories of it killing the drive, but also read other of it actually being smart enough to know to turn off defrag and enable trim support.

MAC MAC MAC

Gravis Wrote:
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> hardware requirements aside, win7 is a actually
> decent. it's a hell of a lot better than vista.
> i think the last good (quality/bugs and features
> to hardware requirements ratio) version of windows
> was win2k but win7 is actually actually really
> nice IF you have good enough hardware to run it
> on.
>
> it's a step in the right direction.

It's a step BACK INTO the right direction.

Windows 2000 was okay. XP Pro stripped down from all the flashy windows animations and shadows and whatever else was a step towards a really stable OS/GUI.

Vista was an example of MS getting distracted by the relative popularity of OSX, and being sidetracked from continued development and refinement of a business and consumer OS, and delving into trying to impress people with flashy tricks who are going to buy the trendy apple logo no matter what MS does.

Desktop publishing and video editing geeks aside, the only other people who bought into OSX were trendy urban metrosexuals and people who are prone to chasing the next fad.

Why Microsoft chased that fad, too, is beyond me. But then again, that company has never been balanced and level headed. They were just smart enough to secure almost ubiquitous market share earlier than the next guy.

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The function of conservatives is not to meet every liberal program or scheme with a denunciation or a destructive counterscheme, but rather to weigh its advantages and defects, supporting the first and challenging the second. A declaration of ideological warfare against liberalism is by its nature profoundly unconservative. It meets perceived radicalism with a counterradicalism of its own.

Vista was supposed to deliver on their promise of integrated multi-media to the desktop, and also an attempt to deal with security issues that have been the bane of Windows. The problem is, most businesses were not interested in improving the multi-media experience in the office, the security "improvements" were so annoying that most people turned them off, and the overall result was an OS that was slower and buggier than XP.

Microsoft seriously needs to take a step back, and consider for the next release doing what Apple did and do a reset of the base code and operation to something that is less hackable. If Apple would open up third-party channels for their PCs they would wipe out Windows in a very short time. I can't fathom it in all honesty. I hated Macs in the old days, but now that they have gone to a solid Unix OS base, Windows just seems to be on life support. With all the security holes in Windows, that may still drive the change - there will eventually be a push from the Federal government because the security costs to continue securing buggy Windows machines will end up putting more pressure on looking for a better solution.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> If Apple would open up third-party channels for their
> PCs they would wipe out Windows in a very short time.

the reason they dont do third party hardware is for one simple reason: drivers. plenty of vendors make drivers for windows and they are shitty proprietary pieces of garbage. they are bug filled and can make your system unstable. by making their own systems, they dont have to support anything except for exactly what they use and it's their hardware, so they have full control over the drivers. additionally, i think they make a shitload of money for their overpriced hardware.


> Windows just seems to be on life support.

not at all. every idiot on the windows block has some application they just cannot live without even if there is a better replacement. idiots dont want to learn new software because they are idiots!


> With all the security holes in
> Windows, that may still drive the change - there
> will eventually be a push from the Federal
> government because the security costs to continue
> securing buggy Windows machines will end up
> putting more pressure on looking for a better
> solution.

wrong, wrong and wrong. paying 5x the price just for the hardware isnt not an incentive to change. the big issue is the servers and routers, not the desktops. if they are switching anything, it's going to be changing the servers over to linux as the NSA is already on top of security on that end. recent advancements are almost at the point where they can drop windows on the server side completely (see SAMBA Active Directory) without loss of functionality. with proper setup (see non-clueless admin) there is improved security and reduced cost.

my thought is that the gov servers should use a standard set of hardware that has been thoroughly secured. yes, bug free drivers exist, there are companies specialize in working out ALL the bugs in a defined set of hardware. these are the companies you call to make sure f-16s dont start falling out of the sky.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

Gravis Wrote:
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> every idiot on the windows block has
> some application they just cannot live without
> even if there is a better replacement. idiots
> dont want to learn new software because they are
> idiots!

I might be an idiot, but you leave FruityLoops out of this.

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MrMephisto Wrote:
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> Gravis Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > every idiot on the windows block has
> > some application they just cannot live without
> > even if there is a better replacement. idiots
> > dont want to learn new software because they
> are
> > idiots!
>
> I might be an idiot, but you leave FruityLoops out
> of this.

checkmate.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

MrMephisto Wrote:
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>
> I might be an idiot, but you leave FruityLoops out
> of this.


fruityloops is the shit. how else am i going to make bad ass beats that i can freestyle to while wearing converse shoes, my bose headphones, and drink my starbucks?

bloody blisters Wrote:
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> fruityloops is the shit. how else am i going to
> make bad ass beats that i can freestyle to while
> wearing converse shoes, my bose headphones, and
> drink my starbucks?



"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

You guys are assholes. I don't own a pair of converse, and I don't go to starbuck's. What's a "Bose earphones?"

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i seriously like fruityloops i just went a little overboard with the rest.

bose headphones..

bloody blisters Wrote:
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> i seriously like fruityloops i just went a little
> overboard with the rest.

Yeah. I rarely get the chance to get all indignant about stuff, so wanted to take the opportunity.

I'll tell you one thing that Macs and Linux can't do:

Run "Left 4 Dead."

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MrMephisto Wrote:
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> I'll tell you one thing that Macs and Linux can't do:
>
> Run "Left 4 Dead."


yet.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

Gravis Wrote:
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> yet.

The sequel will be out before that happens, and then I'll be bitching about how you can't play "Left 4 Dead 2" on a Linux machine.

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MrMephisto Wrote:
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> Gravis Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > yet.
>
> The sequel will be out before that happens, and
> then I'll be bitching about how you can't play
> "Left 4 Dead 2" on a Linux machine.


the sequel is already out. :P


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

Gravis Wrote:
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> MrMephisto Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Gravis Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > yet.
> >
> > The sequel will be out before that happens, and
> > then I'll be bitching about how you can't play
> > "Left 4 Dead 2" on a Linux machine.
>
>
> the sequel is already out. :P

Horseshit. It doesn't drop until November.

... right?

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Whew. I almost cried.

"The game is currently set to launch on November 17, 2009, for Microsoft Windows and Xbox 360."

"Several new Special Infected are being introduced in Left 4 Dead 2, all of which are playable in versus and the new Scavenger game mode.[4][17][18][19] The Charger is an infected with a mutated, oversized arm, and can move quickly and knock players in its path off their feet. It can also grab players and smash them against the ground to deal major damage. The Spitter can project balls of mutated phlegm that splatter across an area, eroding the survivors' health as long as they remain within it. The Jockey can jump onto the back of a survivor and steer them towards other infected or traps set by the game."

FUCK YEAH.

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Thurston Moore Wrote:
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> Honestly, what is the purpose of running out and
> getting the latest and greatest every time? If a
> commodore 128 is working for you, if it does
> everything you need, who cares?
>
> What awesome feature is going to justify a brand
> new learning curve? As long as XP is still
> supported for new software, I'll stick with it,
> even on replacement PCs in the future. Until I
> can no longer obtain a copy of XP or most software
> no longer runs on it, or something. Only then
> could I justify having to go through a whole new
> learning curve.


For that matter, I was perfectly content with Wordperfect for MS-DOS!

Then the whole Western World (and Japan, etc.) shifted to Word (and Windows) and I (and my company) had to follow along, upgrading time after time to ensure I have all the functionality of each iteration, most of which I never use and which functions as the haystack that contains the few "needles" that I really need.

<>MrMephisto Wrote:
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> Horseshit. It doesn't drop until November.
>
> ... right?


made you look. ;)


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

That's it, I'm now joining the militant anti-Gravis wing of FFXU.

We can joke about a lot of things, but you just crossed a line.

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yeah i hate you too gravis, you're always mean to me and rude to others on this forum. get ready for my barrage of trickery

MrMephisto Wrote:
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> That's it, I'm now joining the militant
> anti-Gravis wing of FFXU.
>
> We can joke about a lot of things, but you just
> crossed a line.



"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

im serious

Gravis Wrote:
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> the reason they dont do third party hardware is
> for one simple reason: drivers. plenty of vendors
> make drivers for windows and they are shitty
> proprietary pieces of garbage. they are bug filled
> and can make your system unstable. by making
> their own systems, they dont have to support
> anything except for exactly what they use and it's
> their hardware, so they have full control over the
> drivers. additionally, i think they make a
> shitload of money for their overpriced hardware.
>

Remember - I am NOT a MAC fan.

But, if they were to open it up for production by third party they would see a big reduction in costs. They could still charge a fee for licensing and royalties or whatever (less then what they do now) - but they could let these other folks manufacture and sell "compatible" platforms. That is how the PC first made it's market dominance - IBM and locked in Microsoft PC DOS. You could originally only buy IBMs, then Leading Edge and Compaq started making "clones". When Windows came out, and they had the war with IBM over OS2 and Warp that is when Microsoft went off on their own. IBM later made some costly mistakes with their PS2 line and that spelled their doom. Sure, apple might lose a bit of per unit income, but they would gain so much in "clone" sales it would more then make up for it as long as they strictly controlled the agreements. The only thing stopping most of the gaming folks from moving that way was the licensing requirements Apple have if you want to develop for them. Now with the console market it's hard to say how long PC-platform games will be around. The business software is already there for a good bit of it.

>
> > Windows just seems to be on life support.
>
> not at all. every idiot on the windows block has
> some application they just cannot live without
> even if there is a better replacement. idiots
> dont want to learn new software because they are
> idiots!
>

They are going to be sick of being "idiots" if every time they open their email or go on the web they run a risk of having their PC hacked and private information lost because Windows can't figure out how to write software without large security holes in it.

> paying 5x the price just
> for the hardware isnt not an incentive to change.
> the big issue is the servers and routers, not the
> desktops.

For businesses that is true - for home users, not much. If folks make a mass move to macs at home, they will push more and more for business to support their needs.

> if they are switching anything, it's
> going to be changing the servers over to linux as
> the NSA is already on top of security on that end.
> recent advancements are almost at the point where
> they can drop windows on the server side
> completely (see SAMBA Active Directory) without
> loss of functionality. with proper setup (see
> non-clueless admin) there is improved security and
> reduced cost.
>

Linux (or Unix if they want to pay the cost) is great - the problem is they have yet to make it so a typical home user feels any comfort level in using it. So sure, for servers and embedded devices it makes a lot of sense. Again - this issue is only going to make a big difference at the high end of business. Small business is looking for desktops, very few use servers that this would be an issue on. For small application needs, Windows server and SQL Server are more than ample enough and easy to get service for. A linux server with SQL Anywhere or something like that is not "easy" for a lay person to understand, especially if they are used to Windows desktop.

> my thought is that the gov servers should use a
> standard set of hardware that has been thoroughly
> secured. yes, bug free drivers exist, there are
> companies specialize in working out ALL the bugs
> in a defined set of hardware. these are the
> companies you call to make sure f-16s dont start
> falling out of the sky.

If only one group directed government procurement that would be great - except they don't. They are big on standards, and that helps, but that will still only affect the government. Small business, home users, and others are starting to look at secure desktop environments - that is the place where most of their vital information is sitting, not on a high end server.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University



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Gravis Wrote:
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> hardware requirements aside, win7 is a actually
> decent. it's a hell of a lot better than vista.
> i think the last good (quality/bugs and features
> to hardware requirements ratio) version of windows
> was win2k but win7 is actually actually really
> nice IF you have good enough hardware to run it
> on.
>
> it's a step in the right direction.


wow. in a million years, i would never have expected that response from gravis.

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i totally forgot that 7 was coming out tomorrow. The only reason i got it was because microsoft did the 50% discount on it if you preordered like 3-4 months ago. It was only 50 bucks, so i figured ,eh what the fuck, ill buy it.

Why wait?

http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/5130799/Microsoft.Windows.7.ULTIMATE.x86.OEM.DVD-BIE

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Kenny_Powers Wrote:
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> wow. in a million years, i would never have
> expected that response from gravis.

i didnt make any comparisons to any non-Microsoft operating systems.

for now, win7 has a leg-up on a few small but important things like configuring wifi. aside from that, there isnt much of a reason to use windows over linux.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."



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Well, besides the "Left 4 Dead" thing...

In all seriousness, the advantage Microsoft has is not their products, but the fact that it's the most widely used. For the average user, Linux and Apple just don't have the software library that Microsoft does.

Even if that's considered a bullshit reason, the government primarily uses Microsoft. That alone is enough to ensure they're going to be around for a while.

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I've got a new box coming tomorrow with Win 7 on it. Win 7 has more going for it than Vista (especially the new DX which will not work on XP OS's) - runs faster than Vista but still slower than XP by ~3-5%.

The SSD's are the way to go and will be standard on all computers out of box within a few years. Unfortunately, they are still fairly expensive but their prices are plummeting month by month. I don't see parity in price for probably 4-5 years but if you can afford one by all means get one. It works great with OS's loaded as well as your favourite 5-6 games.

MrMephisto Wrote:
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> Well, besides the "Left 4 Dead" thing...

i play games almost exclusively on my ps3 or use emulators.


> In all seriousness, the advantage Microsoft has is
> not their products, but the fact that it's the
> most widely used. For the average user, Linux and
> Apple just don't have the software library that
> Microsoft does.

oh contraire! linux is lacking in very few departments. unfortunately, i have found that "scrapbooking" is one of them. -_-;


> Even if that's considered a bullshit reason, the
> government primarily uses Microsoft. That alone
> is enough to ensure they're going to be around for
> a while.

a LONG while.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

It helps for sure. But if Apple could guarantee document format compatibility across the board it would be less of an issue.

I was around when the government adopted Microsoft as their OS of choice - it was based on commonality of document formats. Many organizations wanted to use Macs because it was easier to produce high quality documentation with their publishing tools, but Microsoft pushed a huge campaign to have Office adopted by everyone. They used their sales of Windows software to offset lowering costs of Office - you could get a full package for $89 that included Excel, Access, Word, etc... That was the street price - I am sure the volume discounts ensured the government got licenses for half of that per desktop.

Apple could probably go on a similar kind of blitz for market share today and make huge inroads in their installed base. There is no "coherent" PC/platform strategy to fight them in response except for Microsoft themselves. The PC manufacturers don't push Windows, they push their PCs with various colors. What "cool" features has any PC manufacturer pushed these days? We are seeing more gadgets, but very little else from PCs. Believe me, it pains me to say this, but other than Linux (which can't get to a stable promotion due to fractious cross purposes amongst supporters) I can't see PC's maintaining a hold over Macs if Apple were to change their strategy.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> It helps for sure. But if Apple could guarantee
> document format compatibility across the board it
> would be less of an issue.

all the big apps are on both platforms and have compatible file formats, so, you fail.


> other than Linux (which can't get to a stable
> promotion due to fractious cross purposes amongst
> supporters)

agreed. one desktop distribution needs to crush all the others and have compatibility for win32 apps that doesnt suck. WINE is a failure and should be scraped in favor of _native_ support for winPE binaries.


> I can't see PC's maintaining a hold
> over Macs if Apple were to change their strategy.

umm... they just made record profits, i think there strategy is working just like they want. they clearly arent attempting to get market dominance. as i stated previously, the strategy of making it for specific hardware keeps shitty hardware out and they make plenty of money off the hardware. should they get the market share, you can bet they would be in legal trouble for locking out other hardware.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

Gravis Wrote:
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> Registered Voter Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > It helps for sure. But if Apple could guarantee
> > document format compatibility across the board
> it
> > would be less of an issue.
>
> all the big apps are on both platforms and have
> compatible file formats, so, you fail.

Have you ever tried to send file formats between the platforms? It works better now then it used to - but you know the problems recently just between Office 2003 and 2007 users? Add in the cross platform support and it is even worse when these issues crop up. Mac made big inroads when they went to Intel chips and a Unix base code, and certainly Microsoft helped them by making Office more available for the platform and more compatible - but document portability is still an issue from time to time - some of the formatting schemes between platforms don't translate properly still.

Apple requires licensing fees to make games for their platforms that most developers don't want to pay. That is the main reason you don't see tons of applications flooding to the Mac, and yes, it helps keep the profits up.

Gravis, while I respect that you know and understand PCs and server issues... I have been doing this since you were still still having your diaper changed. Might want to reserve the "fail" terms for folks that really don't have a clue.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

Registered Voter Wrote:
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>
> Gravis, while I respect that you know and
> understand PCs and server issues... I have been
> doing this since you were still still having your
> diaper changed. Might want to reserve the "fail"
> terms for folks that really don't have a clue.


No one gives a shit about the IBM 729 you worked on when you were in the Navy, old man.

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> Gravis Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Registered Voter Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
> Gravis, while I respect that you know and
> understand PCs and server issues... I have been
> doing this since you were still still having your
> diaper changed. Might want to reserve the "fail"
> terms for folks that really don't have a clue.

Let me translate if this was directed to someone else.

Stupid faggot, so you took a community college course big fucking deal.. I have been doing this since your mother was fucking the mail man. You are a douchebag, fuck off.

4200cc Wrote:
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> Stupid faggot, so you took a community college
> course big fucking deal.. I have been doing this
> since your mother was fucking the mail man. You
> are a douchebag, fuck off.

Fuck you stoner

EDIT: lol

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University



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Registered Voter Wrote:
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> Have you ever tried to send file formats between
> the platforms? It works better now then it used to
> - but you know the problems recently just between
> Office 2003 and 2007 users? Add in the cross
> platform support and it is even worse when these
> issues crop up.

2003 and 2007? try to keep up with the times. it's called ooxml and everything old is being done away. microsoft has full office suites for both platforms.


> Mac made big inroads when they
> went to Intel chips and a Unix base code, and
> certainly Microsoft helped them by making Office
> more available for the platform and more
> compatible - but document portability is still an
> issue from time to time - some of the formatting
> schemes between platforms don't translate properly
> still.

have you tried it out in the last three years?


> Apple requires licensing fees to make games for
> their platforms that most developers don't want to
> pay.

nope. it's a matter of portability and your target audience. direct x is non-existent on osx and many developers have grown fond of it. additionally, there is the chicken and the egg problem of there not being enough gamers using OSX.


> I have been doing this since you were still still
> having your diaper changed. Might want to reserve
> the "fail" terms for folks that really don't have
> a clue.

just because you know something doesnt mean you cant fail. right now, you fail.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

Gravis Wrote:
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> just because you know something doesnt mean you
> cant fail. right now, you fail.

Just because you think you know something, doesn't mean you can't fail either. You don't know everything on this issue.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

Gravis is a lot smarter than an ASVAB waiver that chaptered out of the Navy with a general discharge.

U Don't know shit Wrote:
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> Gravis is a lot smarter than an ASVAB waiver that
> chaptered out of the Navy with a general
> discharge.

Trollie - you seriously have no clue. Maybe you need to grow some new brain cells, the last ones you had got burned up on re-entry.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

I think I do have a clue. You didn't even make it to your ETS. How many captain's masts did you have?

LOL - seriously, you are so wrong it isn't even funny. But please, enlighten us on all that you know about me swami of the ASVAB. I am waiting to see my military service record posted.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> LOL - seriously, you are so wrong it isn't even
> funny. But please, enlighten us on all that you
> know about me swami of the ASVAB. I am waiting to
> see my military service record posted.


Why don't you post your DD214? I bet it is completely devoid of any awards and probably says "Other than Honorable."

Other than honorable service Wrote:
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> I think I do have a clue. You didn't even make it
> to your ETS.

Come on, please enlighten us. I am sure everyone here wants to see my record exposed, so go right ahead.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

You got kicked out Wrote:
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> Registered Voter Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > LOL - seriously, you are so wrong it isn't even
> > funny. But please, enlighten us on all that you
> > know about me swami of the ASVAB. I am waiting
> to
> > see my military service record posted.
>
>
> Why don't you post your DD214? I bet it is
> completely devoid of any awards and probably says
> "Other than Honorable."

No no - sorry, this is on you trollie, put up or shut up.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

Registered Voter Wrote:
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>
> No no - sorry, this is on you trollie, put up or
> shut up.


Well....give me your SS #, ETS date, and full name, and I'll pull it up. Ha!

I'm glad I struck a nerve RV. I think I was more right than you let on. It's okay RV, plenty of people get kicked out for not meeting the weight standard.

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> Registered Voter Wrote:
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> >
> > No no - sorry, this is on you trollie, put up
> or
> > shut up.
>
>
> Well....give me your SS #, ETS date, and full
> name, and I'll pull it up. Ha!
>
> I'm glad I struck a nerve RV. I think I was more
> right than you let on. It's okay RV, plenty of
> people get kicked out for not meeting the weight
> standard.

No, I think you are just full of shit. You want to challenge folks on their military service, or their qualifications (which you know nothing about) you better be ready to produce the goods. You know nothing about me, so really, you might want to stick to what you do know, sniffing other troll ass. I am sure you could enlighten us on that.

Seriously.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University
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Registered Voter Wrote:
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> No, I think you are just full of shit. You want to
> challenge folks on their military service, or
> their qualifications (which you know nothing
> about) you better be ready to produce the goods.
> You know nothing about me, so really, you might
> want to stick to what you do know, sniffing other
> troll ass. I am sure you could enlighten us on
> that.
>
> Seriously.




Yeah, I struck a nerve.

I'm glad you're just battling a "trollie" now, Reggie.

Cause, Seriously, the little love spat with Gravis was a tad unnerving.

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RV Troll Wrote:
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> Yeah, I struck a nerve.

*clap for the faggot*

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

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> *clap for the faggot*


This coming from a guy that had a name tag on the back of his trousers. I'm sure the Marines loved your candy ass.

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> > just because you know something doesnt mean you
> > cant fail. right now, you fail.
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> Just because you think you know something, doesn't
> mean you can't fail either. You don't know
> everything on this issue.

true. in my defense, i blame the internets.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

RV just leave while your really far behind you navy fag!! M-A-R-I-N-E-S!! All the way!

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> RV just leave while your really far behind you
> navy fag!!

See, you can't say stuff like this...

> M-A-R-I-N-E-S!! All the way!

... and then follow it up with something gay like that.

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Semper Fidelis fag!!!!!!!!!