In popular music, movies, television, and in youth culture marijuana is everywhere. At what point is it "over the top?" though? Perhaps we should reconsider our permissiveness of marijuana and make this illegal. It will cause "turf wars" and prohibitionesque violence, but having it out and available to children, as is currently our situation, is just too liberal for my tastes. We need to control these substances before they fall into the wrong hands. A lot of people can handle their pot, but children can not and right now there is no distinction between buyers. Your thoughts?

smoker? Wrote:
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> Perhaps we should
> reconsider our permissiveness of marijuana and
> make this illegal.


you're right, someone should get right on that and make it illegal.

you all know my opinion this should be illegalized







one more illegalization song





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No. Tax it like anything else and make tons of cash, free up the prisons, and take a motherfucking load off.

Stinkfist Wrote:
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> No. Tax it like anything else and make tons of
> cash, free up the prisons, and take a
> motherfucking load off.

Yeah. Maybe people would stop taking shit so goddamn seriously.

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Most recreational drugs should be decriminalized...pot should be legalized...taxed and controlled as ABC stores control liqour. Taxes collected should be used to eductae people on the risks associated with drugs...rehabilitation for those who have addictive personalities...and enforcement to keep drugs away from those who are underage.

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Most recreational drugs should be
> decriminalized...pot should be legalized...taxed
> and controlled as ABC stores control liqour.
> Taxes collected should be used to eductae people
> on the risks associated with
> drugs...rehabilitation for those who have
> addictive personalities...and enforcement to keep
> drugs away from those who are underage.

I think the revenue from marijuana should be used to pay the retirement benefits of old, racist AOL users so they can continue posting IT security information that they don't understand.

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Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Most recreational drugs should be
> decriminalized...pot should be legalized...taxed
> and controlled as ABC stores control liqour.
> Taxes collected should be used to eductae people
> on the risks associated with
> drugs...rehabilitation for those who have
> addictive personalities...and enforcement to keep
> drugs away from those who are underage.


I agree with Vince(1)

... although I don't necessarily think rec drugs should be taxed. Perhaps as part of a larger tax reform system, though.

MrMephisto Wrote:
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> I think the revenue from marijuana should be used
> to pay the retirement benefits of old, racist AOL
> users so they can continue posting IT security
> information that they don't understand.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."



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MrMephisto Wrote:
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Most recreational drugs should be
> > decriminalized...pot should be
> legalized...taxed
> > and controlled as ABC stores control liqour.
> > Taxes collected should be used to eductae
> people
> > on the risks associated with
> > drugs...rehabilitation for those who have
> > addictive personalities...and enforcement to
> keep
> > drugs away from those who are underage.
>
> I think the revenue from marijuana should be used
> to pay the retirement benefits of old, racist AOL
> users so they can continue posting IT security
> information that they don't understand.


And you are so sure it's me making those postings how? Are you trying to invade my privacy? How very repubilKan of you.

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> And you are so sure it's me making those postings
> how? Are you trying to invade my privacy? How
> very repubilKan of you.

Well, you did say you were going to post it every day. It's in line with your normal pattern of behavior, i.e. completely disregarding "truth" or "facts" for the sake of being as obnoxious as possible.

I can also tell it's you, because you're the only one dumb enough to think that obtaining someone's IP address by completely legal means is an invasion of privacy. Did you know that Cary can see your IP address when you come here? Did you know that anyone with a pulse and a website can view your IP address if they have access to the logs?

It's pretty easy to pick you out anyway. I just have to do a search in the logs for "aol" and it comes right up.

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Individual possession should be legal/illegal at a state's discretion and/or for medicinal purposes. It should only be illegal at the federal level for trafficking/ mass cultivation.

smoker? Wrote:
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> In popular music, movies, television, and in youth
> culture marijuana is everywhere. At what point is
> it "over the top?" though?

its just as prevelant (im sure i spelled that wrong) as alcohol is in our society, I see no difference between the two, except that alcohol is dangerous.

Perhaps we should
> reconsider our permissiveness of marijuana and
> make this illegal.

isnt it already illegal? last time i checked anyways...


It will cause "turf wars" and
> prohibitionesque violence,

no, it will cause just the opposite. By making it illegal, we push the market underground, instead we give the money to the criminal orginizations which only make them stronger, and increase the crime rate. Not to mention the tax benefits we would reap if it was legal.

but having it out and
> available to children, as is currently our
> situation, is just too liberal for my tastes.

no one cares.

We
> need to control these substances before they fall
> into the wrong hands.

we do. too much. And what, you think your kid cant buy pot from any number of other kids that go to his school? its probably easier to buy pot in highschool than it was to get someone to buy you beer.


A lot of people can handle
> their pot, but children can not and right now
> there is no distinction between buyers.

You're right, no one should be smoking pot until they are atleast 20 or so, when the brain has fully developed, you say there is no distinction in buyers, but it is ILLEGAL, so i fail to see what you want the government to do. Destroy the plant for good? because that wont happen.


Your
> thoughts?


I think its time we become fucking adults in this nation. Its all about personal responsability and choice. We live in a country where we cant make up our own god damn minds, we need the government to tell us AND our neighbors what they can and cant do. If it doesnt effect another human being, than the choice should be made by the individual, not by big brother. rant finished

Kenny_Powers Wrote:
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> I think its time we become fucking adults in this
> nation. Its all about personal responsability and
> choice. We live in a country where we cant make up
> our own god damn minds, we need the government to
> tell us AND our neighbors what they can and cant
> do. If it doesnt effect another human being, than
> the choice should be made by the individual, not
> by big brother. rant finished


Good rant. The f'ing adult comment is so right. But, unfortunately, we in the US have been going backwards in terms of being left alone since at least the days of Grover Cleveland. Seriously. As a Democrat no less, he'd veto legislation that he could find no basis for in the Constitution. Can you believe that?

Now we have, on the "religious" right, the Christian types, and on the left, the Big Government types. A pox on both of their houses, as Mercutio said.

Can you expand alittle on the idea of the left Big Govt types? Are you referring to medical healthcare/finance efforts? What else?

MrMephisto Wrote:
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> Did you know that Cary can
> see your IP address when you come here?

The difference is that Cary is an honest broker.

Cary: "I have never revealed the IP address of any poster here under any circumstances." http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/40/123925/124360.html

Is he lying? I don't think so. Every evidence tells me that Cary is willing to go to the mat on these issues.

Not so with Gravis, however. He has exposed IP addresses, and you, Mephisto, have exposed information related to your IP trolling, such as the geographical location of a poster.

So please don't compare what you're doing to Cary, because there's no comparison.

Cary keeps things private because "The goal of this site is to let people feel safe to discuss anything, no matter how damning."

The Rat Pack, by contrast, readily exposes information at the slightest annoyance, or merely for amusement purposes -- in the process, btw, undercutting the stated goal and purpose of the site.


> Did you know that anyone with a pulse and a website can
> view your IP address if they have access to the logs?

Cary gives you access to the site's IP logs?

Rat Watcher Wrote:
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> Not so with Gravis, however. He has exposed IP
> addresses, and you, Mephisto, have exposed
> information related to your IP trolling, such as
> the geographical location of a poster.

According to Wikipedia, "the population was 200,123 in 2007,[3] with an estimated population of 1,212,977 for the Richmond Metropolitan Area — making it the third largest in Virginia."

If someone is able to pick out a specific person in Richmond by me saying they're from "Richmond," then I seriously doubt they needed my help in the first place.

Even if an IP address revealed name, date of birth, social security number, address, phone number, blood type, medical history, family information, and several 8x10 glossy photos, I'd never "out" someone on this site.

Perhaps if you know how it worked, you'd be less frightened.

> blah blah blah blah

I've already explained my reasons for doing it a number of times, but it's clear you people just don't want to believe me. I'm not going to keep repeating myself.

I took the scary tracker out of my signature line, because it's also clear that people who do not understand how it works are terrified of it. I also appreciate what Cary's trying to do with this site, and don't want people to be discouraged from coming here.

Had anybody simply asked me instead of making all sorts of accusations, I would have discussed it with them, and come to an agreement. I'm not an unreasonable guy.

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MrMephisto Wrote:
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> Perhaps if you know how it worked, you'd be less
> frightened.

I'm not frightened, I'm annoyed. What you're doing is contrary to the stated goal and purpose - the spirit, if you will - of the site. I've made this point at greater length on other threads, so I'm not going to belabor it here.


MrMephisto Wrote:
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> Had anybody simply asked me instead of making all
> sorts of accusations, I would have discussed it
> with them, and come to an agreement. I'm not an
> unreasonable guy.

When this first came to light, your attitude towards those who questioned your actions was totally dismissive -- like your "blah blah blah" remark above.

Your basic position was: I'm doing this, and I'm going to keep on doing it, and if you don't like it, too bad for you; I'm protecting the site from spammers/trolls. You didn't indicate any willingness to discuss or compromise on the matter.


MrMephisto Wrote:
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> Did you know that anyone with a pulse and a website can
> view your IP address if they have access to the logs?

Cary gives you access to the site's IP logs?

Glad we cleared that up.

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MrMephisto Wrote:
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> Glad we cleared that up.

Yes, you're a reasonable guy, when you feel like it, but more often totally dismissive of people who disagree with or criticize you, as here, for example.


MrMephisto Wrote:
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> Did you know that anyone with a pulse and a website can
> view your IP address if they have access to the logs?

Cary gives you access to the site's IP logs?

Rat Watcher Wrote:
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> MrMephisto Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Perhaps if you know how it worked, you'd be
> less
> > frightened.
>
> I'm not frightened, I'm annoyed. What you're
> doing is contrary to the stated goal and purpose -
> the spirit, if you will - of the site. I've made
> this point at greater length on other threads, so
> I'm not going to belabor it here.
>

Since it is Cary's site - why not take it up with him then? Your incessant ranting on here about it solves very little. Other posters here have gone to MUCH greater lengths in revealing the identities of others. A better notice to be posted would be

"DO NOT put any personal, identifiable information in your postings here. Be ASSURED that it WILL be used against you just because you posted it."

Your concern over his tracking an IP to determine who is a troll, and who is a user trying to multiply their posts or intimidate others is laughable.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

MrMephisto Wrote:
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> I also appreciate what Cary's trying to do with this site, and don't want people
> to be discouraged from coming here.

+1

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> Since it is Cary's site - why not take it up with
> him then?

I have.


> Your incessant ranting on here about it
> solves very little.

It changed Mephisto's behavior. I respect his integrity, though he probably thinks I'm a jerk.


> A better notice to be posted would be
>
> "DO NOT put any personal, identifiable information
> in your postings here. Be ASSURED that it WILL be
> used against you just because you posted it."

As for "incessant ranting," I'm not the one who kept reposting (or ever reposted) ffstoner's IP block instructions; nor did I ever start a thread on the subject of IP addresses.

I do think Cary should add his warning remarks addressing this issue (which are contained in the thread I linked to above) to the "Welcome to Fairfax Underground! [New users read this first]" thread.

It's definitely something new users should be aware of, and the "Welcome" thread as it currently stands is somewhat misleading in its strong assurances of anonymity, given the systematic IP logging that is now taking place.


> Your concern over his tracking an IP to determine
> who is a troll, and who is a user trying to
> multiply their posts or intimidate others is
> laughable.

Laughable to you, perhaps, but there are others - and not only myself - who "appreciate what Cary's trying to do with this site, and don't want people to be discouraged from coming here" by posters who take it upon themselves to create, or assist in the creation of IP logs.

The funny thing is, the only folks this IP logging affects are the folks that come in and disrupt the site. If you come in here, register a name, and then start posting your opinion or other stories you are generally fine (unless you post personal information).

ffxstoner in his many guises lately has done quite a bit to disrupt the site, to include posting virus downloads. I would hope that he gets a ban, but it seems that Cary doesn't pay as much attention to what is going on - so the IP tracking is one way that the folks still using the place can do some self-policing to try and keep the place sane.

I appreciate the "anonymity" in some respects, but I also don't post anything in my opinions here that I don't say in real life.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> ffxstoner in his many guises lately has done quite a bit to disrupt the site, to
> include posting virus downloads. I would hope that he gets a ban, but it seems
> that Cary doesn't pay as much attention to what is going on

Those threads and posts were deleted by Cary within 24-48 hours (closer to 24, iirc).


> I appreciate the "anonymity" in some respects, but
> I also don't post anything in my opinions here
> that I don't say in real life.

Okay, that's fine. That's you.

On the other hand: "The goal of this site is to let people feel safe to discuss anything, no matter how damning."

Do you not understand that systematic IP logging is contrary to and subversive of this goal? It has a chilling effect on people's willingness to discuss sensitive or embarassing matters, much less those that are "damning."

So it's not true that "the only folks this IP logging affects are the folks that come in and disrupt the site."

Cary has all those logs. If someone here made comments or took an action in real life that could be traced back to this site - to the level that it brought an actionable legal issue (civil or otherwise) - it will be interesting to see how far Cary goes in protecting your anonymity when his life and liberty are threatened by the legal process.

I don't see that IP logging, Cary or otherwise, stops people from discussing "sensitive" issues. Who the fuck comes on here to truly discuss "sensitive" issues? I mean that is the lamest thing I have ever seen here. If you want to discuss "sensitive" subjects, take it to a lawyer or a doctor. The INTERNET is the least secure place in the entire universe to have a "sensitive" discussion. How fucking stupid is that? LOL. If you believe an open INTERNET site is somehow a good place to have those kind of discussions, you are seriously lacking in intelligence.

Too funny.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

Its the internet. There will always be folks, often armed with cute little techno-tools, that will seek information on their nemeses(sp?), attempt to control the behavior of others, or just plain fuck with people. Witness chat rooms and booters, game sites with a "kick out" function, etc etc.

Having some fuck-nozzle posting anononmously under "XYZ123" that "Reggie is a cross-dressing college boy" is either 1) funny 2) a waste of keystrokes or 3) some nefarious plot by an anony-trollie to disrupt a true American way of life.

Bleh. It really matters little. Post what you want, how you want, when you want. The rules here are fair, yet wide open. Don't post "illegal" shit, and don't abuse personal information (if someone is stupid enough to put it out there). Or, if your name is ink-tard, go ahead and do it, since it provides great comedy for the rest of us.

Oh, and, get over yourself. It's not that big a deal. Really, it's not.

It's the internet.

Now, who wants my IP address? You have to send beer though. That's only fair.

______________________________________________
I have had to change the addresses to my retaliatory blogs over half a dozen times.



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fairfaxdude Wrote:
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> Its the internet. There will always be folks,
> often armed with cute little techno-tools, that
> will seek information on their nemeses(sp?),
> attempt to control the behavior of others, or just
> plain fuck with people. Witness chat rooms and
> booters, game sites with a "kick out" function,
> etc etc.
>
> Having some fuck-nozzle posting anononmously under
> "XYZ123" that "Reggie is a cross-dressing college
> boy" is either 1) funny 2) a waste of keystrokes
> or 3) some nefarious plot by an anony-trollie to
> disrupt a true American way of life.
>
> Bleh. It really matters little. Post what you
> want, how you want, when you want. The rules here
> are fair, yet wide open. Don't post "illegal"
> shit, and don't abuse personal information (if
> someone is stupid enough to put it out there). Or,
> if your name is ink-tard, go ahead and do it,
> since it provides great comedy for the rest of
> us.
>
> Oh, and, get over yourself. It's not that big a
> deal. Really, it's not.
>
> It's the internet.
>
> Now, who wants my IP address? You have to send
> beer though. That's only fair.

+1 - an extra +1 for actually using the word anony-trollie in a post lol

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

Well, I wanted you to be comfortable with my perspective.

Now send beer, please.

______________________________________________
I have had to change the addresses to my retaliatory blogs over half a dozen times.

fairfaxdude Wrote:
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> Well, I wanted you to be comfortable with my
> perspective.
>
> Now send beer, please.

Need your address and the type of beer you like.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

1151 Colonial Rd. in McLean

Anything but Miller Lite.

______________________________________________
I have had to change the addresses to my retaliatory blogs over half a dozen times.

Rat Watcher Wrote:
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> On the other hand: "The goal of this site is to
> let people feel safe to discuss anything, no
> matter how damning."

You make it sound like people would post damning evidence about government or corporate foul play, police brutality, etc., but don't out of fear that we'll find out their region is Fairfax.

> Do you not understand that systematic IP logging
> is contrary to and subversive of this goal? It
> has a chilling effect on people's willingness to
> discuss sensitive or embarassing matters, much
> less those that are "damning."

There's a couple logical fallacies at play here:

1. If a whistle blower had information he was trying to make public, why would they come here instead of the media?

2. Again, I'm not sure if you fully understand how the tracking picture works. Again, Cary has access to more information than the tracking picture provides, but everyone implicitly trusts him with that information, for some reason. The most relevant being the IP address for every post made by every poster, and the email address you use to register.

He could be selling your email addresses, slipping malicious code into the forum, and other things much more horrible than just seeing your IP address. But he doesn't, because he doesn't misuse the information he has access too. Neither do I.

Unless "pointing out that a poster's IP address comes from an ISP with 25 million customers and a region with hundreds of thousands of people and matches the IP address of a registered user that has been harassing other registered users" constitutes an abuse of "power."

3. If someone posted a bomb threat or a warning about a terrorist attack, there would be no way that I, with the method I used, would have any way of finding out who it is specifically. Even if I could and reported it to the police or something, any legal action would ultimately go through Cary, who again has more information than I ever will.

I put the tracker in my signature for the sole purpose of confirming my suspicions that one poster was the same as another who had previously harassed other users, so I could report them to the administrator. I also used it to make sure that it wasn't Inkahootz trolling me when someone was trying to get me to think it was. As far as I'm concerned, this is the only function the tracker serves.

I stand by my statement that if anybody thinks it does anything more than that for the average user, then they don't understand how it works.

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If marijuana had a legitimate multi-billion dollar industry behind it the way alcohol does, it would be legal. But it doesn't, so it won't.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> Cary has all those logs. If someone here made
> comments or took an action in real life that could
> be traced back to this site - to the level that it
> brought an actionable legal issue (civil or
> otherwise) - it will be interesting to see how far
> Cary goes in protecting your anonymity when his
> life and liberty are threatened by the legal
> process.

As noted above, Cary is demonstrably trustworthy, and the rat pack is demonstrably untrustworthy.

As for the separate and distinct question of actionable legal issues, Cary addresses that on the "Welcome" thread.


> I don't see that IP logging, Cary or otherwise,
> stops people from discussing "sensitive" issues.
> Who the fuck comes on here to truly discuss
> "sensitive" issues?

Well, medical issues, for example. These are sensitive and potentially embarrassing issues for a lot of people.


> If you want to
> discuss "sensitive" subjects, take it to a lawyer
> or a doctor.

Says the self-appointed board cop. While this board is certainly not a substitute for formal medical or legal advice, there are times when one might want to air out medical or legal questions that are, in fact, sensitive or embarrassing. Again, your IP logging has a chilling effect on such discussions, and thus subverts Cary's goal or vision for the site.

Bottom line: some people "appreciate what Cary's trying to do with this site, and don't want people to be discouraged from coming here," and some people, such as yourself, don't.

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> If marijuana had a legitimate multi-billion dollar
> industry behind it the way alcohol does, it would
> be legal. But it doesn't, so it won't.


thats because alcohol has been widely accepted as an ok thing to do. pot has been "taboo" for many many years and sort of like a form of rebellion. if it isnt shunned upon i think you would see greater numbers than the alcohol industry

MrMephisto Wrote:
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> > On the other hand: "The goal of this site is to
> > let people feel safe to discuss anything, no
> > matter how damning."
>
> You make it sound like people would post damning
> evidence about government or corporate foul play,
> police brutality, etc., but don't out of fear that
> we'll find out their region is Fairfax.

Did I? I simply re-stated Cary's goal for the site, in his own words.

From the context of my remarks, I think it's fairly clear I was not addressing the question
of whistleblowers, which really raises a whole host of different issues that I'm not
particularly interested in (although I certainly admire Cary for, for example, refusing to pull
the Phil Leiser thread, despite what I'm sure were Mr. Leiser's determined efforts to have
that thread pulled).


> There's a couple logical fallacies at play here:

Most of these logical fallacies turn on the assumption I was discussing whistleblowers.


> I put the tracker in my signature for the sole
> purpose of confirming my suspicions that one
> poster was the same as another who had previously
> harassed other users, so I could report them to
> the administrator. I also used it to make sure
> that it wasn't Inkahootz trolling me when someone
> was trying to get me to think it was. As far as
> I'm concerned, this is the only function the
> tracker serves.

Okay.


> I stand by my statement that if anybody thinks it
> does anything more than that for the average user,
> then they don't understand how it works.

And I stand by my above remarks about the chilling effect of systematic IP logging by posters other than Cary.

Rat Watcher Wrote:
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> And I stand by my above remarks about the chilling
> effect of systematic IP logging by posters other
> than Cary.

What effect? What impact do you think this is having?

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MrMephisto Wrote:
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> Rat Watcher Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > And I stand by my above remarks about the
> chilling
> > effect of systematic IP logging by posters
> other
> > than Cary.
>
> What effect? What impact do you think this is
> having?


Why do people have to explain why they object to being tracked to you? You need to explain why you are involved in such behavior...and you need to stop.

cannabis? eh whats the point. this thread is officially about logging ip addresses. continue

RatFink Wrote:
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> Why do people have to explain why they object to
> being tracked to you? You need to explain why you
> are involved in such behavior...and you need to
> stop.

I already explained my behavior, and have yet to hear a legitimate reason for how it's such an invasion of privacy.

If you had actually read my explanation and knew what you were talking about, you'd know that I did stop.

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Rat Watcher Wrote:
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> The difference is that Cary is an honest broker.
>
> Cary: "I have never revealed the IP address of any
> poster here under any circumstances."
> http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/40/12
> 3925/124360.html
>
> Is he lying? I don't think so. Every evidence
> tells me that Cary is willing to go to the mat on
> these issues.

I'm not saying Cary is untrustworthy, I believe he is very trustworthy, but I recall a couple of incidents where he revealed a poster's IP address.
http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/40/201760/201763.html#msg-201763

There was another one, that I can't find, where Cary revealed an IP and said something to the effect of "and to those interested it was an AOL user". I believe the dreaded "3 letter word" filter is the reason I cannot find this particular thread.

> Cary gives you access to the site's IP logs?

I don't think the IP logs he was referring to were those of this site. He was saying that anyone with a website, and access to THEIR OWN website's IP logs, can track IPs.

MrMephisto Wrote:
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> I already explained my behavior, and have yet to
> hear a legitimate reason for how it's such an
> invasion of privacy.

This might expose my ignorance, but can't people use "ping-attacks" or something similar if they know someone's IP address? Can't teh 1337 h4x0rz of the world actually use the IP to harm someone's computer?

I'm not saying that the "Rat Pack" would ever do such a thing. In fact, by collecting IPs, they are making us all aware of methods that people with malicious intent could use to obtain an IP address.



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Rat Watcher Wrote:
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> Well, medical issues, for example. These are
> sensitive and potentially embarrassing issues for
> a lot of people.

I would strongly suggest you NEVER discuss anything of that nature here, for exactly the reasons I have outlined. I am not a person that will ever use or disclose any such information. You don't have to take my word for that - but based on some of the folks here, and their posts - in particular going to great lengths to reveal criminal or other court related information for folks that do post here - I know for a fact my "participation" in IP logging has not added to those particular "reveals".

Most folks that begin any sort of "sensitive" subject here usually get laughed out before it gets past the 4th post.

> Says the self-appointed board cop.

Not even.

> While this
> board is certainly not a substitute for formal
> medical or legal advice, there are times when one
> might want to air out medical or legal questions
> that are, in fact, sensitive or embarrassing.

I am beginning to believe you are the "Meade" (maybe even Spunky) poster. They are the only one, or his local fan, that has been posting all sorts of personal information. As for folks who post in the other forums, you will notice I rarely post anywhere else other than here or the General Fairfax Forum. If you feel that you need to discuss the boils on your ass, or growth on your penis here, you are seriously in need of help beyond just the typical medical practitioner.

> Again, your IP logging has a chilling effect on
> such discussions, and thus subverts Cary's goal or
> vision for the site.

I am sure that Cary is more than capable of defending his "vision" for the site. If he ever has a problem with me, MrMephisto, or Gravis - or any of the others - I am sure he is capable of sending his own PM, banning users, or whatever it is he feels he needs to do. In all seriousness you might as well just STFU on this issue - when Cary tells me I have stepped over the line I will have that discussion with him. Something tells me you need to find a different tree to bark up - probably in the mental therapy office.

>
> Bottom line: some people "appreciate what Cary's
> trying to do with this site, and don't want people
> to be discouraged from coming here," and some
> people, such as yourself, don't.

Wow, I might shed a tear for you. No, actually I won't. You want to troll someplace with your sob stories, you might actually pick a site that covers your particular subject, or perhaps just go to the office of your practitioner to do so. Most employers provide EAP services for just the kind of issues you are having - I suggest you make use of their services if you want to have a sensitive discussion.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University



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Or you could always PM me back... I'm always hear for you GFSF...

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> Most
> employers provide EAP services for just the kind
> of issues you are having - I suggest you make use
> of their services if you want to have a sensitive
> discussion.
P.S. I used "hear" intentionally, baby

MrMephisto Wrote:
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> What effect? What impact do you think this is having?

In a nutshell, systematic IP logging is akin to having Big Brother looking over
your shoulder. As such, it has a chilling effect, i.e., it stifles or deters
speech. Which is in turn contrary to and subversive of the spirit and purpose of
the board, as set forth in various remarks by Cary quoted above.


Harry Tuttle Wrote:
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> I'm not saying Cary is untrustworthy, I believe he is very trustworthy, but I
> recall a couple of incidents where he revealed a poster's IP address.

Well, nobody's perfect, as Joe E. Brown once observed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLW5jzHsW7c&feature=related


Registered Voter Wrote:
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> I am beginning to believe you are the "Meade"
> (maybe even Spunky) poster. They are the only one,
> or his local fan, that has been posting all sorts
> of personal information.

Pffft. This is right up there with RV = Gravis.


> I am sure that Cary is more than capable of defending his "vision" for the site.

Quite so. And he's also obviously not a micro-manager, but rather gives everyone
a very, very wide berth, except in the most extreme cases.

So it seems a little self-policing was in order, of which I would think you'd approve,
given your prior remarks.

The balance of your post is of the have-you-stopped-beating-your-wife variety,
i.e., such a gross exaggeration and distortion of my position, and so off-the-wall
in its assumptions about what I've supposedly posted on this board, that I'm not
going to waste my time responding to it in detail.

Other than to note this: the nasty tenor of your remarks says far more about your
character than it does mine.

The nasty tenor. Lol.

Trolls are bad enough. Pretentious trolls are worse.

Go fly a kite or something less threatening to your privacy.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University
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"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

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> Well, nobody's perfect, as Joe E. Brown once
> observed.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLW5jzHsW7c&feature
> =related
Hahaha, you are one funny bastard!
I couldn't agree more, though I am a little surprised you would take that position on the matter...
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Harry Tuttle Wrote:
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> I couldn't agree more, though I am a little
> surprised you would take that position on the
> matter...


I'm afraid to ask what position you would have preferred me to take.

But let's not go there, Harry.

Not tonite, anyway. I've got a headache.

Rather, I will simply observe:

Do I contradict myself? Very well, then I contradict myself.
I am large, I contain multitudes.
- Walt Disney

Rat Watcher Wrote:
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> MrMephisto Wrote:
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> > What effect? What impact do you think this is
> having?
>
> In a nutshell, systematic IP logging is akin to
> having Big Brother looking over
> your shoulder.

Well, then Orwell's 1984 is finally here, because pretty much everything you do on the internet causes your IP to be logged. My recommendation is to destroy your computer so you don't have to worry about it.

I get the impression you watched "Live Free or Die Hard," and thought it had a very realistic plot.

Rat Watcher Wrote:
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> The balance of your post is of the
> have-you-stopped-beating-your-wife variety,
> i.e., such a gross exaggeration and distortion of
> my position, and so off-the-wall
> in its assumptions about what I've supposedly
> posted on this board, that I'm not
> going to waste my time responding to it in
> detail.

Pot, kettle, etc.

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bloody blisters Wrote:
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> cannabis? eh whats the point. this thread is
> officially about logging ip addresses. continue


Some people get paranoid when they are high.

"IP tracking" is such an ominous threat when you are so baked out of your mind that you think every car driving past your house is the police scoping out your house for the big raid they are planning in twenty minutes.

Then, of course, there are the people who are just pissed that someone is actually keeping track of which few IP addresses are generating the multiple anonymous postings under ever-changing names.

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The function of conservatives is not to meet every liberal program or scheme with a denunciation or a destructive counterscheme, but rather to weigh its advantages and defects, supporting the first and challenging the second. A declaration of ideological warfare against liberalism is by its nature profoundly unconservative. It meets perceived radicalism with a counterradicalism of its own.

i know about the paranoia when smoking, i've experienced it first hand. this is not the case here. my geuss would be that it is some sort of super troll that doesnt really give a fuck about ip addresses and is using the legitimate concern of maybe one person and blowing it way out of proportion to get everyone riled up


fucking tyops



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I still say this is all about the few people who don't wish to be exposed as multiple-name posters.

I can think of quite a few people who would be worried about this.

The bottom line is, nobody is going to know your actual identity because they know your IP address. They will only know if you are posting under multiple names.

Only Inkahootz is smart enough to expose actual identities. It's a douchebag skill that us mere mortals will never understand.

I guess if I was a douchebag, I could accuse Ryan O'Neill of 2462 Idylwood Drive of being Fairfaxdude. Then, anyone I didn't like, even if it wasn't Fairfaxdude, would be Fairfaxdude.

Spunky pioneered this shit. Elliot is really everyone on this site, after all.

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well atleast we can have a civil debate about the legalization of marijuana here.

Thurston Moore Wrote:

> Only Inkahootz is smart enough to expose actual
> identities. It's a douchebag skill that us mere
> mortals will never understand.
>
> I guess if I was a douchebag, I could accuse Ryan
> O'Neill of 2462 Idylwood Drive of being
> Fairfaxdude. Then, anyone I didn't like, even if
> it wasn't Fairfaxdude, would be Fairfaxdude.

Dammit, Thursty, that is just massive douchebaggeryness. I hereby accuse you of being Patek Isringhusen of 3241 Goldsboro Dr. There, I said it, and I'm glad it's out in the open now. Take that, you paki-nazi-swedish racist socialistic facist.

I'm gonna go eat potatoes now. With Guinness. I feel like a load's been lifted.

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I have had to change the addresses to my retaliatory blogs over half a dozen times.

lol nubs batch file isnt a virus

ffxstoner Wrote:
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> lol nubs batch file isnt a virus

And i have never been warned to stop just once like along time ago, never been told anything with posting the bat file or using css hacks. Gravfag also started it with the css hacks and i retaliated so you can blame gravis again for that one. Also i try not to fuck with FFXU general since it isn't full of complete crap i usually just fuck with off topic threads every now and then since they are usually pointless.



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4200cc Wrote:
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> ffxstoner Wrote:
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> > lol nubs batch file isnt a virus
>
> And i have never been warned to stop just once
> like along time ago, never been told anything with
> posting the bat file or using css hacks. Gravfag
> also started it with the css hacks and i
> retaliated so you can blame gravis again for that
> one. Also i try not to fuck with FFXU general
> since it isn't full of complete crap i usually
> just fuck with off topic threads every now and
> then since they are usually pointless.

Whatever, douchebag. Go shave your chest.

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ouch

GRAVIS STARTED IT!!!

4200cc Wrote:
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>
> Gravfag
> also started it with the css hacks and i
> retaliated so you can blame gravis again for that
> one.