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How do you lose a ship?
Posted by:
eesh
()
Date: August 13, 2009 03:08PM
Apparently this merchant ship was hijacked by pirates, but no one has been able to locate it since July 30th....
My question is, with all the technology out there, GPS, imagery, beacons, etc. how does a ship just vanish?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8199514.stm
My question is, with all the technology out there, GPS, imagery, beacons, etc. how does a ship just vanish?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8199514.stm
Re: How do you lose a ship?
Posted by:
TheMeeper
()
Date: August 13, 2009 03:11PM
eesh Wrote:
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> how does a ship just vanish?
Sink it in 12,000 feet of water.
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> how does a ship just vanish?
Sink it in 12,000 feet of water.
Re: How do you lose a ship?
Posted by:
Gravis
()
Date: August 13, 2009 03:13PM
eesh Wrote:
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> My question is, with all the technology out there,
> GPS, imagery, beacons, etc. how does a ship just
> vanish?
in order to really vanish a ship you would have to
a) not have any of those technologies aboard.
b) sink the ship.
c) take the ship out of the area they are searching/expecting it to be in.
d) it was hijacked by David Copperfield
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/13/2009 03:29PM by Gravis.
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> My question is, with all the technology out there,
> GPS, imagery, beacons, etc. how does a ship just
> vanish?
in order to really vanish a ship you would have to
a) not have any of those technologies aboard.
b) sink the ship.
c) take the ship out of the area they are searching/expecting it to be in.
d) it was hijacked by David Copperfield
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/13/2009 03:29PM by Gravis.
Re: How do you lose a ship?
Posted by:
WashingTone-Locian
()
Date: August 13, 2009 03:18PM
Sounds to me like the Russians are behind it and don't want the ship to be found. Methinks there is something besides timber on it and it was headed somewhere it shouldn't have been.
Re: How do you lose a ship?
Posted by:
Gravis
()
Date: August 13, 2009 03:23PM
WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> Sounds to me like the Russians are behind it and
> don't want the ship to be found. Methinks there is
> something besides timber on it and it was headed
> somewhere it shouldn't have been.
i have significant doubts about that. the cold war is over.
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
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> Sounds to me like the Russians are behind it and
> don't want the ship to be found. Methinks there is
> something besides timber on it and it was headed
> somewhere it shouldn't have been.
i have significant doubts about that. the cold war is over.
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
Re: How do you lose a ship?
Posted by:
eesh
()
Date: August 13, 2009 03:24PM
Speaking of the timber, if the ship was sunk, a lot of debris would be floating, but none has been found. It's a modern ship, so there has to be some beacon or other way to track it.
Re: How do you lose a ship?
Posted by:
No One (not even the rain)
()
Date: August 13, 2009 03:25PM
has anyone consulted David Copperfield yet? He is an expert in this field.
Re: How do you lose a ship?
Posted by:
WashingTone-Locian
()
Date: August 13, 2009 03:29PM
Gravis Wrote:
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> WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Sounds to me like the Russians are behind it
> and
> > don't want the ship to be found. Methinks there
> is
> > something besides timber on it and it was
> headed
> > somewhere it shouldn't have been.
>
> i have significant doubts about that. the cold
> war is over.
You don't think the Russians would be selling nuclear material to the Iranians? The Kremlin is full of corrupt fucks, especially Vlad "The Poisoner" Putin.
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> WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Sounds to me like the Russians are behind it
> and
> > don't want the ship to be found. Methinks there
> is
> > something besides timber on it and it was
> headed
> > somewhere it shouldn't have been.
>
> i have significant doubts about that. the cold
> war is over.
You don't think the Russians would be selling nuclear material to the Iranians? The Kremlin is full of corrupt fucks, especially Vlad "The Poisoner" Putin.
Re: How do you lose a ship?
Posted by:
Gravis
()
Date: August 13, 2009 03:35PM
WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> Gravis Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> > WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> > > Sounds to me like the Russians are behind it and
> > > don't want the ship to be found. Methinks there
> > is something besides timber on it and it was
> > headed somewhere it shouldn't have been.
> >
> > i have significant doubts about that. the cold
> > war is over.
>
> You don't think the Russians would be selling
> nuclear material to the Iranians? The Kremlin is
> full of corrupt fucks, especially Vlad "The
> Poisoner" Putin.
you do make a good point but if that were the case, do you think it would have been reported to the media in the first place? also, if that were the case, they would have retaken the ship by using army personnel and brought it back to land.
im just saying, if you look for conspiracies everywhere, you will see conspiracies everywhere.
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
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> Gravis Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> > WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> > > Sounds to me like the Russians are behind it and
> > > don't want the ship to be found. Methinks there
> > is something besides timber on it and it was
> > headed somewhere it shouldn't have been.
> >
> > i have significant doubts about that. the cold
> > war is over.
>
> You don't think the Russians would be selling
> nuclear material to the Iranians? The Kremlin is
> full of corrupt fucks, especially Vlad "The
> Poisoner" Putin.
you do make a good point but if that were the case, do you think it would have been reported to the media in the first place? also, if that were the case, they would have retaken the ship by using army personnel and brought it back to land.
im just saying, if you look for conspiracies everywhere, you will see conspiracies everywhere.
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
Re: How do you lose a ship?
Posted by:
WashingTone-Locian
()
Date: August 13, 2009 03:45PM
Gravis Wrote:
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>
> you do make a good point but if that were the
> case, do you think it would have been reported to
> the media in the first place? also, if that were
> the case, they would have retaken the ship by
> using army personnel and brought it back to land.
>
> im just saying, if you look for conspiracies
> everywhere, you will see conspiracies everywhere.
I'm just saying that there are a lot of weird "facts" surrounding this case. The ship is boarded by pirates, who leave 12 hours later? It is boarded by pirates in a part of the sea where there are no pirates? It has a cargo that is rumored to be secret and very valuable? The manifest is fucked up and confusing, as if on purpose? It is a Malta ship with an all-Russian crew? The Russian Navy is looking for it, but the Russian Navy can't find it?
It all sounds like plausible deniability to me. I think something is on that ship that shouldn't be and it is headed to a destination it shouldn't be and the Russians have come up with a cover story to hide that fact. Putin's Swiss bank account probably has $1 billion in Iranian-backed Euros.
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>
> you do make a good point but if that were the
> case, do you think it would have been reported to
> the media in the first place? also, if that were
> the case, they would have retaken the ship by
> using army personnel and brought it back to land.
>
> im just saying, if you look for conspiracies
> everywhere, you will see conspiracies everywhere.
I'm just saying that there are a lot of weird "facts" surrounding this case. The ship is boarded by pirates, who leave 12 hours later? It is boarded by pirates in a part of the sea where there are no pirates? It has a cargo that is rumored to be secret and very valuable? The manifest is fucked up and confusing, as if on purpose? It is a Malta ship with an all-Russian crew? The Russian Navy is looking for it, but the Russian Navy can't find it?
It all sounds like plausible deniability to me. I think something is on that ship that shouldn't be and it is headed to a destination it shouldn't be and the Russians have come up with a cover story to hide that fact. Putin's Swiss bank account probably has $1 billion in Iranian-backed Euros.
Re: How do you lose a ship?
Posted by:
ITRADE
()
Date: August 13, 2009 03:59PM
Dick Cheney must have hidden it.
Re: How do you lose a ship?
Posted by:
Registered Voter
()
Date: August 13, 2009 04:40PM
Come on, read the article:
Who verified they left?
I say scuttled in deep water at this point after they took what they wanted off it.
If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University
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Earlier in its voyage, the ship reported being boarded by up to 10 armed men as it sailed through the Baltic Sea on 24 July, but said the intruders left the vessel on an inflatable boat after 12 hours.
Malta's maritime authority said it had "not approached the Straits of Gibraltar, which indicates that the ship headed out in the Atlantic Ocean".
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Who verified they left?
I say scuttled in deep water at this point after they took what they wanted off it.
If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University
Re: How do you lose a ship?
Posted by:
MrMephisto
()
Date: August 13, 2009 04:41PM
Gravis did it.
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13 4826 0948 82695 25847. Yes.
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13 4826 0948 82695 25847. Yes.
Re: How do you lose a ship?
Posted by:
Brandon
()
Date: August 13, 2009 07:59PM
Better send in the ROFL copter.
Re: How do you lose a ship?
Posted by:
Thurston Moore
()
Date: August 13, 2009 10:26PM
WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> You don't think the Russians would be selling
> nuclear material to the Iranians? The Kremlin is
> full of corrupt fucks, especially Vlad "The
> Poisoner" Putin.
It's more likely that it is conventional arms being sold to someone on an embargo list. Maybe even to the "pirates" for all we know.
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> You don't think the Russians would be selling
> nuclear material to the Iranians? The Kremlin is
> full of corrupt fucks, especially Vlad "The
> Poisoner" Putin.
It's more likely that it is conventional arms being sold to someone on an embargo list. Maybe even to the "pirates" for all we know.
Re: How do you lose a ship?
Posted by:
Gravis
()
Date: August 13, 2009 10:37PM
MrMephisto Wrote:
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> Gravis did it.
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
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> Gravis did it.
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
Re: How do you lose a ship?
Posted by:
gotdamn
()
Date: September 12, 2016 05:38AM
damn
Re: How do you lose a ship?
Posted by:
ship had been found and seized
()
Date: September 12, 2016 08:15AM
Discovery[edit]
On August 14 the ship was reportedly sighted off Cape Verde. The Russian ambassador to Cape Verde stated that a Russian frigate was heading to the area but that the detection had not been confirmed. Meanwhile, an unnamed military official stated that the ship had indeed been found but that the location was being kept secret from the public for security reasons, without clarifying the statement further.[20]
The Defense Minister of Russia, Anatoliy Serdyukov, announced on August 17 that the ship had been found and seized off the Cape Verde Islands. All 15 crew members were said to be alive and well; they were transferred to the Ladnyy, a Krivak-class frigate, for questioning. At that time no additional details were given. Dmitry Rogozin, Russia's ambassador to NATO mentioned to the press on August 17 that false information was deliberately supplied to the media in order to keep Russian plans secret.[21]
After the ship's seizure the Malta Maritime Authority stated that the security committee—composed of Maltese, Finnish and Swedish authorities—were aware of the ship's location at all times, but withheld the information to protect the crew.[22]
On August 14 the ship was reportedly sighted off Cape Verde. The Russian ambassador to Cape Verde stated that a Russian frigate was heading to the area but that the detection had not been confirmed. Meanwhile, an unnamed military official stated that the ship had indeed been found but that the location was being kept secret from the public for security reasons, without clarifying the statement further.[20]
The Defense Minister of Russia, Anatoliy Serdyukov, announced on August 17 that the ship had been found and seized off the Cape Verde Islands. All 15 crew members were said to be alive and well; they were transferred to the Ladnyy, a Krivak-class frigate, for questioning. At that time no additional details were given. Dmitry Rogozin, Russia's ambassador to NATO mentioned to the press on August 17 that false information was deliberately supplied to the media in order to keep Russian plans secret.[21]
After the ship's seizure the Malta Maritime Authority stated that the security committee—composed of Maltese, Finnish and Swedish authorities—were aware of the ship's location at all times, but withheld the information to protect the crew.[22]