I've been seeing a lot of these commercials for Conservatives for Patients' Rights, and it turns out they openly admit to being behind some of these town hall demonstrations. http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/health-care/anti-reform-group-takes-credit-for-helping-gin-up-town-hall-rallies/

The group was started by Rick Scott, a former CEO of private hospitals. He was forced to step down after a fraud investigation into Medicare overbilling.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Conservatives_for_Patients_Rights

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Richard_Scott


Are people this stupid that they become pawns in some propaganda campaign to spread fear and doubt?

Here's one of their more laughable commercials:

I think conservatives are stupid, yes.

They can't help it, though. Their parents and entire ancestry were equally as stupid, so it's in their gene pool. We might be able to get them decent mental health care under Obama's plan so that their kids won't be as fucked up as they are.

Interesting. Apparently none of these people have ever tried to get a referral from their insurance company.

eesh Wrote:
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> The group was started by Rick Scott, a former CEO of private hospitals. He was forced to step down after a fraud investigation into Medicare overbilling.


It was the biggest health care fraud scandal in US history. And we should be taking this guy's advice on how to fix the health care system??



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Michelle Obama and patient dumping.

"Sen. Barack Obama's wife and three close advisers have been involved with a program at the University of Chicago Medical Center that steers patients who don't have private insurance -- primarily poor, black people -- to other health care facilities.

Michelle Obama -- currently on unpaid leave from her $317,000-a-year job as a vice president of the prestigious hospital -- helped create the program, which aims to find neighborhood doctors for low-income people who were flooding the emergency room for basic treatment. Hospital officials say such patients hinder their ability to focus on more critically ill patients in need of specialized care, such as cancer treatment and organ transplants."Sun Times

Dump Me Wrote:
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> Michelle Obama and patient dumping.
>
> "Sen. Barack Obama's wife and three close advisers
> have been involved with a program at the
> University of Chicago Medical Center that steers
> patients who don't have private insurance --
> primarily poor, black people -- to other health
> care facilities.
>
> Michelle Obama -- currently on unpaid leave from
> her $317,000-a-year job as a vice president of the
> prestigious hospital -- helped create the program,
> which aims to find neighborhood doctors for
> low-income people who were flooding the emergency
> room for basic treatment. Hospital officials say
> such patients hinder their ability to focus on
> more critically ill patients in need of
> specialized care, such as cancer treatment and
> organ transplants."
>
>
> Sun Times


Hey, dummy. This is a pretty common practice with most hospitals. Many hospitals set up free clinics and get doctors and nurses to volunteer so that hospital resources can be used for more critical care cases. If we had health care reform, it would actually address this problem.

Dump Me Wrote:
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> Michelle Obama and patient dumping.
>
> "Sen. Barack Obama's wife and three close advisers
> have been involved with a program at the
> University of Chicago Medical Center that steers
> patients who don't have private insurance --
> primarily poor, black people -- to other health
> care facilities.
>
> Michelle Obama -- currently on unpaid leave from
> her $317,000-a-year job as a vice president of the
> prestigious hospital -- helped create the program,
> which aims to find neighborhood doctors for
> low-income people who were flooding the emergency
> room for basic treatment. Hospital officials say
> such patients hinder their ability to focus on
> more critically ill patients in need of
> specialized care, such as cancer treatment and
> organ transplants."
>
>


Sounds like a triage program. If people are filling up the emergency rooms with routine, non-threatening problems, the staff cannot take care of the people that have genuine emergencies.

Many major cities have free clinics for the poor, and they should take full advantage of it.

Wow, you libs can pull an excuse out of your ass quicker than you can say "dump me Michelle!"

From your precious Sun article:


At the same time, the Urban Health Initiative is improving the university's finances. Fewer poor patients are showing up at the U. of C. emergency room for basic medical treatment and are no longer admitted to the hospital. That frees beds for transplants, cancer care and other more-profitable medical procedures that the university prides itself on.



Sounds like a real death panel program to me. If you have a routine medical problem, go to a clinic, not the emergency room.

Dump Me More Wrote:
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> Wow, you libs can pull an excuse out of your ass
> quicker than you can say "dump me Michelle!"


What are you talking about? Even the part of the article that was quoted made it sound like a decent program.

"which aims to find neighborhood doctors for low-income people who were flooding the emergency room for basic treatment. Hospital officials say such patients hinder their ability to focus on more critically ill patients in need of specialized care, such as cancer treatment and organ transplants"

Of course, the site you are sourcing from has this glowing assessment of ACORN in its definitions, so they of course would never post partisan information:

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=ACORN

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...
ACORN, the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, is the largest community organization of low and moderate-income families in the United States. ACORN has an active membership of over 160,000 families, organized into more than 750 neighborhood chapters in more than 60 cities across the country. As a community group, ACORN is non-profit, non-violent, and nominally non-partisan. The organization was born out of the civil rights movement. ACORN was founded by Wade Rathke, a community and labor organizer, in 1970. The current national president of ACORN is Maude Hurd.

ACORN groups win reform through direct actions, negotiations, working with the media, and, sometimes, by getting involved in electoral politics.
...

Here are the folks behind the site:

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Center_for_Media_and_Democracy

At least they are nice enough to include their own Bio.

These guys are very left biased for a "non-partisan" (keyword = TOTALLY biased no matter what organization uses it) investigative group.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

Whether the site is biased or not, the fact is that CPR is run by a CEO of FOR PROFIT hospitals that was disgraced over fraud.

What right does he have to tell Americans what is best for their healthcare?



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It was over a billion dollars in fraud. Most people wouldn't trust buying a used car from this guy...