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Hillary Clinton's Trust Gap Is Killing Her With Millennials
Posted by: Mother Jones ()
Date: March 10, 2016 08:02AM

Earlier today I was musing over a tweet from a guy who said that his daughter's friends all loathed Hillary Clinton. Just really, really couldn't stand her. This is obviously a fairly common sentiment. Bernie Sanders didn't win 80 percent of the millennial vote in Michigan just because he's an idealistic liberal. The only way you get to a number like that is against an opponent who's pretty seriously disliked.

But why? The most obvious reason millennials dislike Hillary so strongly is that they think she's too slippery. "I feel like Clinton lies a lot," a college student told PBS a few weeks ago. "She changes her views for every group she speaks to. I can't trust her." Quotes like that litter the internet, and in tonight's debate Karen Tumulty asked about it yet again. "Is there anything in your own actions and the decisions that you yourself have made that would foster this kind of mistrust?"

People of my age find all this a little peculiar. After all, we're the ones who experienced the full storm of the 90s. There was a new Hillary "scandal" on practically a monthly basis back then, and even if you later learned there was virtually nothing to any of them, that kind of nonstop mudslinging leaves a mark. It's hard to hear this stuff over and over and not think that maybe there's something there. Smoke and fire, you know. But millennials went through none of that. So why do they distrust her?

Unfortunately, Hillary has fostered a lot of this mistrust herself. I'm going to be wildly unfair here and cherry pick a bunch of quotes from Hillary and Bernie Sanders. First up, here's Bernie:

On whether he supports fracking: "My answer is a lot shorter. No, I do not support fracking."
On reforming Wall Street: "If a bank is too big to fail, it is too big to exist....Within one year, my administration will break these institutions up so that they no longer pose a grave threat to the economy."
On whether there's even a "single circumstance" in which abortion should be illegal: "That is a decision to be made by the woman, her physician and her family. That's my view."
On prison reform: "I promise at the end of my first term we won't have more people in jail than in any other country."
There's no nuance here, no shading. Bernie has simple, crowd-pleasing answers to every question. He's for X, full stop. He's against Y, end of story.

At this point I should compare these answers to the more gray-shaded responses Hillary gives on policy questions. But I'm not being fair, so instead you get this:

On whether she lied to the Benghazi families (from tonight's debate): "You know, look, I feel a great deal of sympathy for the families of the four brave Americans that we lost at Benghazi...."
On releasing transcripts of her speeches: "Let everybody who’s ever given a speech to any private group under any circumstances release them—we’ll all release them at the same time."
On her private email server: "Everything I did was permitted. There was no law. There was no regulation. There was nothing that did not give me the full authority to decide how I was going to communicate."
On getting money from big Wall Street donors: "I represented New York on 9/11 when we were attacked. Where were we attacked? We were attacked in downtown Manhattan where Wall Street is. I did spend a whole lot of time and effort helping them rebuild. That was good for New York. It was good for the economy and it was a way to rebuke the terrorists who had attacked our country."
On her super PAC: "You're referring to a super PAC that we don't coordinate with....It's not my PAC."
These are terrible answers. Tonight, Jorge Ramos brought up allegations by the Benghazi families that Hillary had deceived them, and asked, "Secretary Clinton, did you lie to them?" The only answer to this question is "Of course not." But Hillary started by expressing her sympathy for the Benghazi families and only then said of her accuser, "She's wrong." Maybe this seems like nitpicking, but it's not. Unless the very first words out of her mouth are "Of course not," she's going to leave an immediate impression that she's about to tap dance around the whole thing. I like Hillary, and even I sighed when she began delivering that answer.

The other quotes are similar. It doesn't even matter if they're the truth. They don't sound like the truth. People my age might forgive Hillary a bit of this lawyerlyness because we remember the 90s and understand the damage that even a slightly misplaced word can cause. But millennials don't. They just see another tired establishment pol who never gives a straight answer about anything.

Life isn't fair. Politics isn't fair. I think Hillary Clinton is careful, a little bit paranoid, and, ironically, congenitally honest on policy issues. She just can't bring herself to give simple-minded answers when she knows perfectly well the truth is more complicated. But especially this year, when her competition is a guy like Bernie Sanders, this just makes her look evasive and insincere.

After 40 years in the public eye, I don't know why Hillary is still so bad at this. But she is. For a long time, liberals mostly forgave her wary speaking style because they were keenly aware of the Republican smear campaign that birthed it. Now, for the first time, there's a generation of liberals who don't care about any of that. And an awful lot of them loathe her.



http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/03/hillary-clintons-trust-gap-killing-her-millennials


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Re: Hillary Clinton's Trust Gap Is Killing Her With Millennials
Posted by: George Washington ()
Date: March 10, 2016 08:35AM

"I cannot tell a lie. Hillary is full of shit."

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