Obama's biggest worry about tobacco according to his press conferences and interviews are hoping his daughters don't start and the fear that someone will tell his wife when they catch him smoking. Well, others have different concerns, like those described in this article.

Who, by the way, are in households making NOWHERE NEAR $250K. Promises broken. Welcome to the change, Mister Common American!! Thanks demokrats! Sure didn't take long! On to taxing our health benefits! On to our new higher energy costs with cap'n trade! Thanks for the higher gasoline taxes too! Anything else I forgot with the demokrats' first six months with kongress and the white house?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31601393/ns/health-addictions/



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The first part of that article is a joke. Boo fucking hoo for those poor people that made the decision to start smoking in the first place. And now because of the economy, they cannot afford to pay bills and buy cigarettes. Come on! Yeah, give me a shoulder to cry on too because I had to cancel my Netflix subscription to save a little each month.

Politicians doing shady things and breaking promises? I'm shocked!

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conVince Wrote:
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> Obama's biggest worry about tobacco according to
> his press conferences and interviews are hoping
> his daughters don't start and the fear that
> someone will tell his wife when they catch him
> smoking. Well, others have different concerns,
> like those described in this article.
>
> Who, by the way, are in households making NOWHERE
> NEAR $250K. Promises broken. Welcome to the
> change, Mister Common American!! Thanks
> demokrats! Sure didn't take long! On to taxing
> our health benefits! On to our new higher energy
> costs with cap'n trade! Thanks for the higher
> gasoline taxes too! Anything else I forgot with
> the demokrats' first six months with kongress and
> the white house?
>
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31601393/ns/health-add
> ictions/

Are you dumb or what? That has nothing to do with INCOME tax, you Republican failure.

Besides, I don't hear anyone else besides you complaining about it. How else are we going to right the ship that your line of thinking so royally fucked up?

Another rewrite of Obama... during the campaign he never annotated his no-new-taxes-for-under-$250k pledge with "income taxes". Post the interview or debate clip where he said he's only talking about income taxes but would jack up tobacco, gasoline, health care (he specifically said that was a dumb idea one year ago), and energy costs with cap and trade.

So you call me dumb, while Obama promises no new taxes and proceeds to help kongress jack them up.


http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=7228536

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"I can make a firm pledge," he said in Dover, N.H., on Sept. 12. "Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes."

He repeatedly vowed "you will not see any of your taxes increase one single dime."


- Barack Hussein Obama Sept 12 2008, convincing voters to trust and vote for him




"Listen now," he said in his widely watched nomination acceptance speech, "I will cut taxes — cut taxes — for 95 percent of all working families, because, in an economy like this, the last thing we should do is raise taxes on the middle class."

An unequivocal "any tax" pledge also was heard in the vice presidential debate, another prominent forum.

"No one making less than $250,000 under Barack Obama's plan will see one single penny of their tax raised," Joe Biden said, "whether it's their capital gains tax, their income tax, investment tax, any tax."



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Assuming what you post is true and not taken out of context, who really gives a flying fuck if we pay a penny more in gas tax or health benefits get taxes. What are we talking about here? Less than $100 per household on average? If that's what it takes to bring us back to a state of normalcy, then so be it.

I figure my corporate health benefit subsidy is close to $4k/yr., so if that's added to my income, it won't move me into a higher bracket. After deductions and effective tax rate is in play, I'm paying what? $500 net? Works for me.

it is very unlike politicians to lie, cheat, and steal. i would tell you anything you'd like to hear to become president. congratulations america you officialy had smoke blown up your ass

True. It's more "who might make things work" vs. "who has epicly failed" when it comes to voting these days.

I had my ex-girlfriend on my health insurance. Domestic partner benefits are not pre-tax deductions. If she were a man, it would only have cost $117.23. My company paid $324.11, so the total taxable about was $441.34. The net result was $283.39 per month. I think $166.16 a month in taxes is a lot, and that's only for one person. The pretax portion for my daughter and I is $244.71. That would cost me over $330 a month in additional taxes! That's a lot of fucking money.

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Melissa Wrote:
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> I had my ex-girlfriend on my health insurance.
> Domestic partner benefits are not pre-tax
> deductions. If she were a man, it would only have
> cost $117.23. My company paid $324.11, so the
> total taxable about was $441.34. The net result
> was $283.39 per month. I think $166.16 a month in
> taxes is a lot, and that's only for one person.
> The pretax portion for my daughter and I is
> $244.71. That would cost me over $330 a month in
> additional taxes! That's a lot of fucking money.

Guess you should reconsider the whole munching box thing.

Howdy Partner Wrote:
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> Guess you should reconsider the whole munching box
> thing.

That's OK, but thanks for playing.

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Howdy Partner Wrote:
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> Guess you should reconsider the whole munching box
> thing.


Doesnt everyone fancy a bearded clam?

Melissa Wrote:
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> I had my ex-girlfriend on my health insurance.
> Domestic partner benefits are not pre-tax
> deductions. If she were a man, it would only have
> cost $117.23. My company paid $324.11, so the
> total taxable about was $441.34. The net result
> was $283.39 per month. I think $166.16 a month in
> taxes is a lot, and that's only for one person.
> The pretax portion for my daughter and I is
> $244.71. That would cost me over $330 a month in
> additional taxes! That's a lot of fucking money.


Girlfriend? Daughter? How very interesting...

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conVince Wrote:
Anything else I forgot with
> the demokrats' first six months with kongress and
> the white house?


Yes, here's what you forgot:
1) You forgot to rant about "the birth certificate".
2) You forgot to eviscerate Obama for using a teleprompter.
3) You forgot to hail Rush Limbaugh as a visionary for the times we live in.
4) You forgot to associate Pelosi and Reid with the devil.
5) You forgot to make fun of a vegetable garden at the White House
6) Oh, you forgot to remind us all that Barney Frank is a raving homosexual.
7) You forgot to decry America's fate as a "Christian" nation, now in the hands of a despicable "Muslim" guy.
8) You forgot how to spell "democrat" and "congress".
9) You forgot to remind us that the Mancow waterboarding was merely FX--completely faked for the cameras.
10) You forgot to defend Dick Cheney as "NOT a warmongering industrialist" at his core.

I'm just sayin....you forgot lots.


Isn't it wonderful playing the part of the "loyal" opposition? So freeing, so intellectually challenging.

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fairfaxdude Wrote:
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> conVince Wrote:
> Anything else I forgot with
> > the demokrats' first six months with kongress
> and
> > the white house?
>
>
> Yes, here's what you forgot:
> 1) You forgot to rant about "the birth
> certificate".
> 2) You forgot to eviscerate Obama for using a
> teleprompter.
> 3) You forgot to hail Rush Limbaugh as a visionary
> for the times we live in.
> 4) You forgot to associate Pelosi and Reid with
> the devil.
> 5) You forgot to make fun of a vegetable garden at
> the White House
> 6) Oh, you forgot to remind us all that Barney
> Frank is a raving homosexual.
> 7) You forgot to decry America's fate as a
> "Christian" nation, now in the hands of a
> despicable "Muslim" guy.
> 8) You forgot how to spell "democrat" and
> "congress".
> 9) You forgot to remind us that the Mancow
> waterboarding was merely FX--completely faked for
> the cameras.
> 10) You forgot to defend Dick Cheney as "NOT a
> warmongering industrialist" at his core.
>
> I'm just sayin....you forgot lots.
>
>
> Isn't it wonderful playing the part of the "loyal"
> opposition? So freeing, so intellectually
> challenging.

LOL. +1

not the alfalfa he's in the He Man Woman Haters Club aka the HMWHC

conVince Wrote:
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> Another rewrite of Obama... during the campaign he
> never annotated his no-new-taxes-for-under-$250k
> pledge with "income taxes". Post the interview or
> debate clip where he said he's only talking about
> income taxes but would jack up tobacco, gasoline,
> health care (he specifically said that was a dumb
> idea one year ago), and energy costs with cap and
> trade.
>
> So you call me dumb, while Obama promises no new
> taxes and proceeds to help kongress jack them up.
>
>
> http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=722853
> 6
>
> -----------
> "I can make a firm pledge," he said in Dover,
> N.H., on Sept. 12. "Under my plan, no family
> making less than $250,000 a year will see any form
> of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your
> payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any
> of your taxes."
>
> He repeatedly vowed "you will not see any of your
> taxes increase one single dime."
>
>
> - Barack Hussein Obama Sept 12 2008, convincing
> voters to trust and vote for him
>
>
>
>
> "Listen now," he said in his widely watched
> nomination acceptance speech, "I will cut taxes —
> cut taxes — for 95 percent of all working
> families, because, in an economy like this, the
> last thing we should do is raise taxes on the
> middle class."
>
> An unequivocal "any tax" pledge also was heard in
> the vice presidential debate, another prominent
> forum.
>
> "No one making less than $250,000 under Barack
> Obama's plan will see one single penny of their
> tax raised," Joe Biden said, "whether it's their
> capital gains tax, their income tax, investment
> tax, any tax."


In this case, Obama was specifically talking about taxes on INCOME -- "income tax", "capital gains tax", "investment tax", and if you had enough education to understand context, the fact that he mentions an income level pertaining to these taxes, it has nothing to do with retail taxes, alcohol taxes, gasoline taxes, tobacco taxes, or anything OTHER THAN TAXES ON INCOME. In context, he makes no promises about taxes on expenditures. THERE IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE.

Whatever media outlet you spend the entire day watching or listening to, you should stop it. The people who parrot these childish and pedantic arguments that they hear on talk radio and certain cable news channels all collectively sound and act like fools.

Thurston Moore Wrote:
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> Whatever media outlet you spend the entire day
> watching or listening to, you should stop it.

He linked ABC and got all the quotes from the article there... are we supposed to stop paying attention to stories from the major TV networks?

pgens Wrote:
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> Thurston Moore Wrote:
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> > Whatever media outlet you spend the entire day
> > watching or listening to, you should stop it.
>
> He linked ABC and got all the quotes from the
> article there... are we supposed to stop paying
> attention to stories from the major TV networks?


No. His vitriol is sourced from another outlet.

I mean really, there were critics of the Bush Administration, but the majority of the criticisms were based on real and valid policy disagreements or vital questions about the constitution and whether this country upholds it's values. The majority of the criticisms against Obama are sour grapes sorts of attacks, on the fact that he smokes, or that he is a secret muslim, or this or that. I have probably only heard these people express one valid disagreement to Obama's policies or actions.

Actually, no, that's not quite true. I haven't heard any, and yet I have a few valid disagreements with Obama's policies and actions, but due to all the vitriol from the fringe-right, I feel drowned out and do not want to throw my lot in with those nut-cases. I wonder how many other people bite their tongue for fear of sounding like all the dittohead right-wing extremists?

I could throw out a few realistic arguments against his position on health care reform, or environmental policy, but doing so would only make me look like I'm part of the fringe-right extremists.

For example, Obama stated in a speech about health care reform that we need to move towards a "results based" medical approach. Fine, no problem there. He went on to give an example of waste in medicine: His grandmother received a hip replacement a year or two before she died. In his mind, that sort of wasteful medical procedure should not occur, "Why are they giving expensive orthopedic surgeries to terminal patients?". Well, my mother had a hip replacement about a year ago, and is probably going to die within the year. I know for a fact that had she not had that hip replacement, she would have deteriorated sooner and probably wouldn't be here today. That hip replacement was about quality of life, had she not had it, she would have ended up bed-ridden within months. Because of that surgery, she was able to travel to her nephew's wedding, visit her sister and spend a weekend with her daughter, among so many other activities that she would not have enjoyed in her final months on this earth. If he's going to propose a health care system that chooses who gets care and who doesn't, based on actuarial tables and statistics, I have a real problem with that. My mom has been told many times over the past 20 years that she only had 6 months to live. She has been terminal for the last 3 1/2 years. She's still alive because of the medical care, not in spite of it.

I never hear cogent arguments, just juvenile sniping.



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> Howdy Partner Wrote:
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> > Guess you should reconsider the whole munching
> box
> > thing.
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> Doesnt everyone fancy a bearded clam?


I prefer clams without the beards or seaweed.

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We still have our booze and cigs for a while though, at least until the Obamarrhoids unleash their Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vices to come kicking down our doors. Let’s be thankful for small mercies.
It's coming you know. Galloping fascism is the change you voted for.

Shut the fuck up and turn off your AM radio.

Spoken like the Obamarrhoid you obviously are.

Spoken like the failure you obviously voted for.

A loser like you should know all about failure.

repubelickers are so strong - - i love it when they tap my bathroom stall!!!!

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> We still have our booze and cigs for a while
> though, at least until the Obamarrhoids unleash
> their Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and
> Prevention of Vices to come kicking down our
> doors. Let’s be thankful for small mercies.
> It's coming you know. Galloping fascism is the
> change you voted for.


it may not be such a bad idea to outlaw cigarettes and alcohol... if any drugs should be illegal, it should be the 2 that kill the most people shouldnt it? Im all for personal responsability, but i hate hypocratic bullshit

well sarah palin doesn't give a fuck, cause she is getting drilled in alaska.

edit by Cary: porn removed



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Time for some ban hammer!

Looks like "Sarah" has some balls.

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Melissa Wrote:
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> I had my ex-girlfriend on my health insurance.
> Domestic partner benefits are not pre-tax
> deductions. If she were a man, it would only have
> cost $117.23. My company paid $324.11, so the
> total taxable about was $441.34. The net result
> was $283.39 per month. I think $166.16 a month in
> taxes is a lot, and that's only for one person.
> The pretax portion for my daughter and I is
> $244.71. That would cost me over $330 a month in
> additional taxes! That's a lot of fucking money.

Is your marginal tax rate 75%?