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Ben Carson Advice of "Bum Rushing" Shooters?
Posted by:
GOP Advice
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Date: December 03, 2015 12:40PM
Ben Carson says people should "bum rush" shooters? Would this have saved lives?
Re: Ben Carson Advice of "Bum Rushing" Shooters?
Posted by:
Libtard advice
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Date: December 03, 2015 12:44PM
Let hundreds of thousands of our enemies into the USA.
Re: Ben Carson Advice of "Bum Rushing" Shooters?
Posted by:
real advice
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Date: December 03, 2015 12:55PM
If you are not comfortable with a physical confrontation, no you should not. Some people are capable of fighting, some are not. It doesn't make you a bad person. If you are a liberal you should always shelter and wait for a responsible male grownup who is authorized to have firearms.
Re: Ben Carson Advice of "Bum Rushing" Shooters?
Posted by:
Que?
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Date: December 03, 2015 01:56PM
Often times this is the only option. I agree completely that it should be done when your position warrants it.
Say you're in a concert hall much like the one that was attacked in Paris. If you're at the back of the room, away from the entrance and near an exit it makes no sense to run from the back of the room toward the danger in an effort to attack the shooter. You grab whoever's with you and get the fuck out. But, if you happen to be in a location where it's a pretty good chance you're going to get shot and have to choose between your last moments being a deer in headlights or going after that motherfucker, you go after that motherfucker.
If you can somehow get the drop on a shooter you stand a decent chance of success as the average piece of shit that's going to go shoot random people isn't expecting someone to resist. It's a massive power trip for them. They may as well think they're a god at that moment. They're not expecting someone with no gun to take an offensive stance against someone with a gun.
The last thing you should do is wait for goddamn assistance from authorities. It likely won't happen. They're outside "formulating a plan", aka, hoping the shooter will off himself. By the time they actually enter a building and provide real assistance most of the damage is done. You are on your own.
A Bum-Rush? Hell yes. A group of people attacking a shooter at once, potentially from different angles. Yes.
Say you're in a concert hall much like the one that was attacked in Paris. If you're at the back of the room, away from the entrance and near an exit it makes no sense to run from the back of the room toward the danger in an effort to attack the shooter. You grab whoever's with you and get the fuck out. But, if you happen to be in a location where it's a pretty good chance you're going to get shot and have to choose between your last moments being a deer in headlights or going after that motherfucker, you go after that motherfucker.
If you can somehow get the drop on a shooter you stand a decent chance of success as the average piece of shit that's going to go shoot random people isn't expecting someone to resist. It's a massive power trip for them. They may as well think they're a god at that moment. They're not expecting someone with no gun to take an offensive stance against someone with a gun.
The last thing you should do is wait for goddamn assistance from authorities. It likely won't happen. They're outside "formulating a plan", aka, hoping the shooter will off himself. By the time they actually enter a building and provide real assistance most of the damage is done. You are on your own.
A Bum-Rush? Hell yes. A group of people attacking a shooter at once, potentially from different angles. Yes.
Re: Ben Carson Advice of "Bum Rushing" Shooters?
Posted by:
enL3y
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Date: December 03, 2015 02:18PM
Que? Wrote:
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> Often times this is the only option. I agree
> completely that it should be done when your
> position warrants it.
>
> Say you're in a concert hall much like the one
> that was attacked in Paris. If you're at the back
> of the room, away from the entrance and near an
> exit it makes no sense to run from the back of the
> room toward the danger in an effort to attack the
> shooter. You grab whoever's with you and get the
> fuck out. But, if you happen to be in a location
> where it's a pretty good chance you're going to
> get shot and have to choose between your last
> moments being a deer in headlights or going after
> that motherfucker, you go after that motherfucker.
>
>
> If you can somehow get the drop on a shooter you
> stand a decent chance of success as the average
> piece of shit that's going to go shoot random
> people isn't expecting someone to resist. It's a
> massive power trip for them. They may as well
> think they're a god at that moment. They're not
> expecting someone with no gun to take an offensive
> stance against someone with a gun.
>
> The last thing you should do is wait for goddamn
> assistance from authorities. It likely won't
> happen. They're outside "formulating a plan",
> aka, hoping the shooter will off himself. By the
> time they actually enter a building and provide
> real assistance most of the damage is done. You
> are on your own.
>
> A Bum-Rush? Hell yes. A group of people
> attacking a shooter at once, potentially from
> different angles. Yes.
You are spot on with this analysis. A shooter enters the room and starts firing at people, lets say there are 50 people all around in this room, a group of 5 to 10 people rushing the shooter at different angles will get the shooter down on the ground, of course, there will be those "rushers" who get shot but the shooter can't get all of them coming from different angles.
This is where "true courage" comes into play to do something like that. Not sure I could do that but if I did see that I had the "drop" on the shooter I would try to find a way to stop him. Doesn't have to be a rush tackle and get the shooter on the ground. Maybe a simple object hurled at the shooters head could be enough to drop the shooter then let vigilante justice take over!
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> Often times this is the only option. I agree
> completely that it should be done when your
> position warrants it.
>
> Say you're in a concert hall much like the one
> that was attacked in Paris. If you're at the back
> of the room, away from the entrance and near an
> exit it makes no sense to run from the back of the
> room toward the danger in an effort to attack the
> shooter. You grab whoever's with you and get the
> fuck out. But, if you happen to be in a location
> where it's a pretty good chance you're going to
> get shot and have to choose between your last
> moments being a deer in headlights or going after
> that motherfucker, you go after that motherfucker.
>
>
> If you can somehow get the drop on a shooter you
> stand a decent chance of success as the average
> piece of shit that's going to go shoot random
> people isn't expecting someone to resist. It's a
> massive power trip for them. They may as well
> think they're a god at that moment. They're not
> expecting someone with no gun to take an offensive
> stance against someone with a gun.
>
> The last thing you should do is wait for goddamn
> assistance from authorities. It likely won't
> happen. They're outside "formulating a plan",
> aka, hoping the shooter will off himself. By the
> time they actually enter a building and provide
> real assistance most of the damage is done. You
> are on your own.
>
> A Bum-Rush? Hell yes. A group of people
> attacking a shooter at once, potentially from
> different angles. Yes.
You are spot on with this analysis. A shooter enters the room and starts firing at people, lets say there are 50 people all around in this room, a group of 5 to 10 people rushing the shooter at different angles will get the shooter down on the ground, of course, there will be those "rushers" who get shot but the shooter can't get all of them coming from different angles.
This is where "true courage" comes into play to do something like that. Not sure I could do that but if I did see that I had the "drop" on the shooter I would try to find a way to stop him. Doesn't have to be a rush tackle and get the shooter on the ground. Maybe a simple object hurled at the shooters head could be enough to drop the shooter then let vigilante justice take over!
Re: Ben Carson Advice of "Bum Rushing" Shooters?
Posted by:
black lives matter
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Date: December 03, 2015 02:28PM
Just go to your safe zone. No one will bother you there.
Re: Ben Carson Advice of "Bum Rushing" Shooters?
Posted by:
Don't get kilt
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Date: December 03, 2015 02:30PM
GOP Advice Wrote:
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> Ben Carson says people should "bum rush" shooters?
> Would this have saved lives?
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Re: Ben Carson Advice of "Bum Rushing" Shooters?
Posted by:
Carson is correct
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Date: December 03, 2015 02:31PM
DC Police Chief Lanier:
“I always say if you can get out, getting out’s your first option, your best option. If you’re in a position to try and take the gunman down, to take the gunman out, it’s the best option for saving lives before police can get there.”
According to her analysis, rushing the gunman saves lives.
The chief, appearing on the Sunday “60 Minutes” CBS news show, noted that in many multiple shootings, most victims are killed within the first 10 minutes — at the Navy Yard shootings in 2013, 10 of the 12 victims were dead in fewer than six minutes. Lanier told correspondent Anderson Cooper that police simply can’t get to the scene in time to stop the initial and deadliest onslaught.
Conclusion: Ben Carson's position is consistent with one of the most pre-eminent police chiefs in the nation.
“I always say if you can get out, getting out’s your first option, your best option. If you’re in a position to try and take the gunman down, to take the gunman out, it’s the best option for saving lives before police can get there.”
According to her analysis, rushing the gunman saves lives.
The chief, appearing on the Sunday “60 Minutes” CBS news show, noted that in many multiple shootings, most victims are killed within the first 10 minutes — at the Navy Yard shootings in 2013, 10 of the 12 victims were dead in fewer than six minutes. Lanier told correspondent Anderson Cooper that police simply can’t get to the scene in time to stop the initial and deadliest onslaught.
Conclusion: Ben Carson's position is consistent with one of the most pre-eminent police chiefs in the nation.
Re: Ben Carson Advice of "Bum Rushing" Shooters?
Posted by:
bNeDC
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Date: December 03, 2015 02:32PM
If they're using 30 round mags or smaller -- it won't be long before they change out the mags -- if there are mutliple shooters with similiar platforms -- there should be a window of time -- a few seconds ... where damage can be done -- of course they could use side arms in the interim --- it always helps to be armed too.
Re: Ben Carson Advice of "Bum Rushing" Shooters?
Posted by:
eesh
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Date: December 03, 2015 02:34PM
He's only giving this advice because he won't be the one bum rushing.
Re: Ben Carson Advice of "Bum Rushing" Shooters?
Posted by:
Reality Bites
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Date: December 03, 2015 03:20PM
This is America. More people usually get injured trampling on each other rushing for the door.
Re: Ben Carson Advice of "Bum Rushing" Shooters?
Posted by:
Ying Ko
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Date: December 03, 2015 03:35PM
I've been in weird situations and without fail I've found when a situation is so beyond the norm, people freeze as they try to comprehend what they are seeing.
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Re: Ben Carson Advice of "Bum Rushing" Shooters?
Posted by:
grinch
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Date: December 03, 2015 03:37PM
Everyone should develop there own situational awareness. Mine includes noting exits and being armed. Don't like it don't do it. I would rather go down fighting than just go down. It only took a few planes to go down before the heroes of flight 93 figured out the bums rush was the best option.
Re: Ben Carson Advice of "Bum Rushing" Shooters?
Posted by:
Noyoudint
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Date: December 03, 2015 03:38PM
Ben Carson Advice of "Bum Rushing" Shooters?
Posted by: GOP Advice ()
Date: December 03, 2015 12:40PM
Ben Carson says people should "bum rush" shooters? Would this have saved lives?
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Only if they got Ben Carson first.
Posted by: GOP Advice ()
Date: December 03, 2015 12:40PM
Ben Carson says people should "bum rush" shooters? Would this have saved lives?
***************
Only if they got Ben Carson first.
Re: Ben Carson Advice of "Bum Rushing" Shooters?
Posted by:
Tough Guys don't Dance
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Date: December 03, 2015 03:53PM
grinch Wrote:
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> Everyone should develop there own situational
> awareness. Mine includes noting exits and being
> armed. Don't like it don't do it. I would rather
> go down fighting than just go down. It only took a
> few planes to go down before the heroes of flight
> 93 figured out the bums rush was the best option.
Posting and actuality doing are very different, Rambo. Are you a combat vet?
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> Everyone should develop there own situational
> awareness. Mine includes noting exits and being
> armed. Don't like it don't do it. I would rather
> go down fighting than just go down. It only took a
> few planes to go down before the heroes of flight
> 93 figured out the bums rush was the best option.
Posting and actuality doing are very different, Rambo. Are you a combat vet?
Re: Ben Carson Advice of "Bum Rushing" Shooters?
Posted by:
grinch
()
Date: December 03, 2015 04:03PM
I have seen your combat vet posts before. Never makes sense. The Islamic terrorists that shot up the party and killed 14 people were not combat vets. Not the husband or the wife.
If you served thanks for your service. If you are carrying some chip on your shoulder I hope you find peace.
Reality says you don't have to be a combat vet to protect yourself, suffice it to say I have enough experience to believe I stand a fair chance.
If you are a combat vet, you should know better than trying to discourage your fellow Americans from trying to protect themselves.
Ps Rambo was a bad ass combat vet.
If you served thanks for your service. If you are carrying some chip on your shoulder I hope you find peace.
Reality says you don't have to be a combat vet to protect yourself, suffice it to say I have enough experience to believe I stand a fair chance.
If you are a combat vet, you should know better than trying to discourage your fellow Americans from trying to protect themselves.
Ps Rambo was a bad ass combat vet.
Re: Ben Carson Advice of "Bum Rushing" Shooters?
Posted by:
Gunlover
()
Date: December 03, 2015 05:47PM
He might be right. It harder for shooter to shoot a person coming toward him rather going away. If you are being charged by a bunch of "N" you better go to full auto and they still might get to you.
Never Run Out of Ammo
Guns Don't Kill People. People Kill People
Them or You
The two most important days in your life are the day your were born and and the day you find out why
Never Run Out of Ammo
Guns Don't Kill People. People Kill People
Them or You
The two most important days in your life are the day your were born and and the day you find out why
Re: Ben Carson Advice of "Bum Rushing" Shooters?
Posted by:
Reload
()
Date: December 03, 2015 07:58PM
If you can wait until he is reloading or from behind I would say yes.
Re: Ben Carson Advice of "Bum Rushing" Shooters?
Posted by:
True the Vote!
()
Date: December 03, 2015 08:18PM
Combat 45 will slow them down..dead, or missing some parts at least.
Re: Ben Carson Advice of "Bum Rushing" Shooters?
Posted by:
MYpVK
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Date: December 03, 2015 08:29PM
real advice Wrote:
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> If you are not comfortable with a physical
> confrontation, no you should not. Some people are
> capable of fighting, some are not. It doesn't make
> you a bad person. If you are a liberal you should
> always shelter and wait for a responsible male
> grownup who is authorized to have firearms.
Good advice.
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> If you are not comfortable with a physical
> confrontation, no you should not. Some people are
> capable of fighting, some are not. It doesn't make
> you a bad person. If you are a liberal you should
> always shelter and wait for a responsible male
> grownup who is authorized to have firearms.
Good advice.
Re: Ben Carson Advice of "Bum Rushing" Shooters?
Posted by:
Mike O'Meara Show Fan
()
Date: December 03, 2015 09:22PM
Run in the opposite direction of niggers, including sand niggers.
RE: Fat BITCH in Yoga Pants at Fair City Mall
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: December 03, 2015 09:50PM
Only a true fool would say this is a good idea or bad idea. In typical devout Obama lover fashion, libtards are scoffing at the idea of fighting back.
If you have a chance to jump and overpower the shooter, do it, but make your own assessment. If you are inches away from someone with a long rifle, you are safer to try to tackle him than you are to get a few feet away where the rifle is more effective.
Most libtards cannot imagine themselves ever fighting back in such a situation, so naturally they project their cowardice onto those who may bite the bullet and take a chance.
Even Cathy Lanier has more balls than you eunuch faggots.
If you have a chance to jump and overpower the shooter, do it, but make your own assessment. If you are inches away from someone with a long rifle, you are safer to try to tackle him than you are to get a few feet away where the rifle is more effective.
Most libtards cannot imagine themselves ever fighting back in such a situation, so naturally they project their cowardice onto those who may bite the bullet and take a chance.
Even Cathy Lanier has more balls than you eunuch faggots.
idontlikebeingrightaboutshitlikethisbutiam
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Re: Ben Carson Advice of "Bum Rushing" Shooters?
Posted by:
Realist,
()
Date: December 03, 2015 09:58PM
Considering an AK-47 can fire 10 rounds a second you better not be running straight at the gun man.
No way you're going to make it to the gunman. You would have to catch the shooter way off guard. It's a stupid idea unless you standing right beside the guy.
No way you're going to make it to the gunman. You would have to catch the shooter way off guard. It's a stupid idea unless you standing right beside the guy.
Re: Ben Carson Advice of "Bum Rushing" Shooters?
Posted by:
T6ME7
()
Date: December 03, 2015 10:18PM
WingNut Wrote:
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> Only a true fool would say this is a good idea or
> bad idea. In typical devout Obama lover fashion,
> libtards are scoffing at the idea of fighting
> back.
>
>
>
> If you have a chance to jump and overpower the
> shooter, do it, but make your own assessment. If
> you are inches away from someone with a long
> rifle, you are safer to try to tackle him than you
> are to get a few feet away where the rifle is more
> effective.
>
> Most libtards cannot imagine themselves ever
> fighting back in such a situation, so naturally
> they project their cowardice onto those who may
> bite the bullet and take a chance.
>
> Even Cathy Lanier has more balls than you eunuch
> faggots.
Libtards are used to submission.
It's the position from which the beta male lives its life.
Better if they just cower out of the way somewhere and whimper.
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> Only a true fool would say this is a good idea or
> bad idea. In typical devout Obama lover fashion,
> libtards are scoffing at the idea of fighting
> back.
>
>
>
> If you have a chance to jump and overpower the
> shooter, do it, but make your own assessment. If
> you are inches away from someone with a long
> rifle, you are safer to try to tackle him than you
> are to get a few feet away where the rifle is more
> effective.
>
> Most libtards cannot imagine themselves ever
> fighting back in such a situation, so naturally
> they project their cowardice onto those who may
> bite the bullet and take a chance.
>
> Even Cathy Lanier has more balls than you eunuch
> faggots.
Libtards are used to submission.
It's the position from which the beta male lives its life.
Better if they just cower out of the way somewhere and whimper.
Border Security is CHEAPER Than Wars
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: December 03, 2015 10:25PM
What libtards are too fucking stupid to understand is that every situation is DIFFERENT.
No one is telling you to bum rush the shooter 100% of the time, just to consider it as a possibility depending on a number of factors.
Libtards are used to clear, binary directives- not thinking on their feet.
No one is telling you to bum rush the shooter 100% of the time, just to consider it as a possibility depending on a number of factors.
Libtards are used to clear, binary directives- not thinking on their feet.
idontlikebeingrightaboutshitlikethisbutiam
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Re: Ben Carson Advice of "Bum Rushing" Shooters?
Posted by:
Rush Him
()
Date: December 03, 2015 10:48PM
WingNut Wrote:
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> What libtards are too fucking stupid to understand
> is that every situation is DIFFERENT.
>
> No one is telling you to bum rush the shooter 100%
> of the time, just to consider it as a possibility
> depending on a number of factors.
>
> Libtards are used to clear, binary directives- not
> thinking on their feet.
Here's what Carson said-
"I would not just stand there and let him shoot me. I would say, 'Hey guys, everybody attack him. He may shoot me, but he can't get us all.'"
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> What libtards are too fucking stupid to understand
> is that every situation is DIFFERENT.
>
> No one is telling you to bum rush the shooter 100%
> of the time, just to consider it as a possibility
> depending on a number of factors.
>
> Libtards are used to clear, binary directives- not
> thinking on their feet.
Here's what Carson said-
"I would not just stand there and let him shoot me. I would say, 'Hey guys, everybody attack him. He may shoot me, but he can't get us all.'"
Re: Ben Carson Advice of "Bum Rushing" Shooters?
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: December 03, 2015 10:53PM
Sorry not outraged.
idontlikebeingrightaboutshitlikethisbutiam
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Re: Ben Carson Advice of "Bum Rushing" Shooters?
Posted by:
Plain Truth
()
Date: December 03, 2015 11:35PM
WingNut Wrote:
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> What libtards are too fucking stupid to understand
> is that every situation is DIFFERENT.
>
> No one is telling you to bum rush the shooter 100%
> of the time, just to consider it as a possibility
> depending on a number of factors.
>
> Libtards are used to clear, binary directives- not
> thinking on their feet.
You are full of it, WingNut. You would run in the opposite direction while defecating and urinating on yourself.
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> What libtards are too fucking stupid to understand
> is that every situation is DIFFERENT.
>
> No one is telling you to bum rush the shooter 100%
> of the time, just to consider it as a possibility
> depending on a number of factors.
>
> Libtards are used to clear, binary directives- not
> thinking on their feet.
You are full of it, WingNut. You would run in the opposite direction while defecating and urinating on yourself.
Re: Ben Carson Advice of "Bum Rushing" Shooters?
Posted by:
VeGpY
()
Date: December 04, 2015 01:47AM
they are there to murder you anyway. might as well try. i'd rather go down fighting. why are libtards so obtuse?