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The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
Danny
()
Date: June 12, 2009 04:30PM
From fairus.org
Virginia has a rapidly growing illegal alien population of about 295,000 persons, nearly tripling since 2000. Since 2000, the state’s foreign-born population has grown by 46.5 percent while its native-born population has grown by 6.5 percent. Similarly, public school enrollment of students who require special instruction in English has also soared, rising by nearly 175 percent over the last decade.
Virginia’s illegal alien population represents a major burden on the state’s taxpayers and on the state budget. These costs imposed on law-abiding Virginians are unfair and unwelcome even in the best of times, but are especially burdensome at a time when the state is confronting a major general fund budget deficit of $1.1 billion.
In 2008, the foreign-born population in Virginia represented nearly one in every nine residents (10.8%), and illegal aliens constitute about one-third (34%) of that immigrant population. Children with at least one immigrant parent accounted for 8.7 percent of the population in 1990, 13.2 percent in 2000, and 17.6 percent of children under age 18 in 2007.
Virginia’s illegal immigrant population costs the state’s taxpayers nearly $1.7 billion per year for education, medical care and incarceration. The annual fiscal burden amounts to about $625 per Virginia household headed by a native-born resident. Even if the estimated taxes collected from illegal immigrant workers are treated as an offset to this fiscal cost — which, as we explain later, makes little sense — net outlays still amount to about $1.5 billion per year.
This information fills a gap noted by the Governor’s Commission on Immigration, established in 2007. Its stated purpose was to study “…the costs and benefits of immigration on the Commonwealth…Specifically, …the impact of immigration on education, health care, law enforcement, local demands for services and the economy…” However, the Commission concluded in its January 2009 report that, “Unfortunately, the resources and time restrictions of the Commission were not conducive to a data analysis of this scope [referring to the Texas Comptroller’s Report on the fiscal impact of illegal aliens].” The Commission did, however, have the resources and time to obtain an estimate of the taxes paid by illegal aliens prepared by The Commonwealth Institute. These estimates showed $145 to $174 million in tax collections, but ignored the other side of the fiscal equation, i.e., the cost of state services used by the same population.
In addition to the fiscal cost estimates in this study, there are additional costs associated with illegal immigration that should be kept in mind by policymakers when they focus on this fiscal cost burden. Foreign remittances sent abroad by the illegal alien population also constitute a major drain on the state’s economy. The Inter-American Development Bank estimated that remittances from Virginia just to Latin America amounted to more than $1.1 billion in 2006. If this amount had been earned by American workers, it would have been spent locally, and it would have generated sales, production and jobs in the state as well as increased tax collection.
The nearly $1.6 billion dollars in costs incurred by Virginia taxpayers annually result from outlays in the following areas:
Education
Based on estimates of the illegal immigrant population in Virginia and documented costs of K-12 schooling, Virginians spend nearly $1.56 billion annually on education for about 95,000 children of illegal aliens. About 70,000 children of illegal aliens are in special English instruction classes, costing the taxpayer an estimated $440 million. Nearly eight percent of the K-12 public school students in Virginia are children of illegal aliens, and nearly three-fourths of them are in Northern Virginia public schools.
Health Care
Taxpayer-funded, unreimbursed medical outlays for health care provided to the state’s illegal alien population amount to nearly $100 million a year.
Incarceration
The cost of incarcerating illegal aliens in Virginia’s state, county, and independent city prisons amounts to more than $45 million a year — not including related law enforcement and judicial expenses or the monetary costs of the crimes that led to the incarceration.
Some state and local taxes are received from illegal immigrants — even from those working off the books. But, those same tax collections, or more likely an increased amount, would occur if the jobs were done by legal workers. So, unless it is assumed that no legal U.S. or immigrant or foreign guestworker would do the jobs now done by illegal workers, it makes little sense to consider this a true offset to the tax burden. The estimated amount of the taxes currently collected from the illegal workers is about $188 million per year.
The fiscal costs of illegal immigration to Virginia’s taxpayers do not end with these three major cost areas. They would be considerably higher if other cost areas such as assistance programs for needy families or welfare benefits for American workers displaced by illegal alien workers were included in the calculation.
Read the full report in pdf format.
June 2009
Virginia has a rapidly growing illegal alien population of about 295,000 persons, nearly tripling since 2000. Since 2000, the state’s foreign-born population has grown by 46.5 percent while its native-born population has grown by 6.5 percent. Similarly, public school enrollment of students who require special instruction in English has also soared, rising by nearly 175 percent over the last decade.
Virginia’s illegal alien population represents a major burden on the state’s taxpayers and on the state budget. These costs imposed on law-abiding Virginians are unfair and unwelcome even in the best of times, but are especially burdensome at a time when the state is confronting a major general fund budget deficit of $1.1 billion.
In 2008, the foreign-born population in Virginia represented nearly one in every nine residents (10.8%), and illegal aliens constitute about one-third (34%) of that immigrant population. Children with at least one immigrant parent accounted for 8.7 percent of the population in 1990, 13.2 percent in 2000, and 17.6 percent of children under age 18 in 2007.
Virginia’s illegal immigrant population costs the state’s taxpayers nearly $1.7 billion per year for education, medical care and incarceration. The annual fiscal burden amounts to about $625 per Virginia household headed by a native-born resident. Even if the estimated taxes collected from illegal immigrant workers are treated as an offset to this fiscal cost — which, as we explain later, makes little sense — net outlays still amount to about $1.5 billion per year.
This information fills a gap noted by the Governor’s Commission on Immigration, established in 2007. Its stated purpose was to study “…the costs and benefits of immigration on the Commonwealth…Specifically, …the impact of immigration on education, health care, law enforcement, local demands for services and the economy…” However, the Commission concluded in its January 2009 report that, “Unfortunately, the resources and time restrictions of the Commission were not conducive to a data analysis of this scope [referring to the Texas Comptroller’s Report on the fiscal impact of illegal aliens].” The Commission did, however, have the resources and time to obtain an estimate of the taxes paid by illegal aliens prepared by The Commonwealth Institute. These estimates showed $145 to $174 million in tax collections, but ignored the other side of the fiscal equation, i.e., the cost of state services used by the same population.
In addition to the fiscal cost estimates in this study, there are additional costs associated with illegal immigration that should be kept in mind by policymakers when they focus on this fiscal cost burden. Foreign remittances sent abroad by the illegal alien population also constitute a major drain on the state’s economy. The Inter-American Development Bank estimated that remittances from Virginia just to Latin America amounted to more than $1.1 billion in 2006. If this amount had been earned by American workers, it would have been spent locally, and it would have generated sales, production and jobs in the state as well as increased tax collection.
The nearly $1.6 billion dollars in costs incurred by Virginia taxpayers annually result from outlays in the following areas:
Education
Based on estimates of the illegal immigrant population in Virginia and documented costs of K-12 schooling, Virginians spend nearly $1.56 billion annually on education for about 95,000 children of illegal aliens. About 70,000 children of illegal aliens are in special English instruction classes, costing the taxpayer an estimated $440 million. Nearly eight percent of the K-12 public school students in Virginia are children of illegal aliens, and nearly three-fourths of them are in Northern Virginia public schools.
Health Care
Taxpayer-funded, unreimbursed medical outlays for health care provided to the state’s illegal alien population amount to nearly $100 million a year.
Incarceration
The cost of incarcerating illegal aliens in Virginia’s state, county, and independent city prisons amounts to more than $45 million a year — not including related law enforcement and judicial expenses or the monetary costs of the crimes that led to the incarceration.
Some state and local taxes are received from illegal immigrants — even from those working off the books. But, those same tax collections, or more likely an increased amount, would occur if the jobs were done by legal workers. So, unless it is assumed that no legal U.S. or immigrant or foreign guestworker would do the jobs now done by illegal workers, it makes little sense to consider this a true offset to the tax burden. The estimated amount of the taxes currently collected from the illegal workers is about $188 million per year.
The fiscal costs of illegal immigration to Virginia’s taxpayers do not end with these three major cost areas. They would be considerably higher if other cost areas such as assistance programs for needy families or welfare benefits for American workers displaced by illegal alien workers were included in the calculation.
Read the full report in pdf format.
June 2009
Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
Registered Voter
()
Date: June 12, 2009 04:40PM
Here's a shocker.
Give all the "illegal" workers a work permit and tax payer ID (different than SSN) and let them work. They can then pay taxes, get (reduced) benefits, and work their way toward eventual citizenship over time. They would be subject to fair wages, employers would be held accountable, and we would have more folks contributing to the tax base.
While I am not a big fan of illegal immigration, until the Fed steps up and fulfills their obligation, it seems in everyone's best interest to work to help them learn English, and get an education. It doesn't mean they should get in-state tuition rates - but certainly they should not have to hide out because they are afraid someone will turn them in to ICE. Just deport the illegals that commit felonies or are not holding down "regular" jobs (ie don't put them on welfare - if they want to contribute great, otherwise we have enough of our own lazybutts here).
Give all the "illegal" workers a work permit and tax payer ID (different than SSN) and let them work. They can then pay taxes, get (reduced) benefits, and work their way toward eventual citizenship over time. They would be subject to fair wages, employers would be held accountable, and we would have more folks contributing to the tax base.
While I am not a big fan of illegal immigration, until the Fed steps up and fulfills their obligation, it seems in everyone's best interest to work to help them learn English, and get an education. It doesn't mean they should get in-state tuition rates - but certainly they should not have to hide out because they are afraid someone will turn them in to ICE. Just deport the illegals that commit felonies or are not holding down "regular" jobs (ie don't put them on welfare - if they want to contribute great, otherwise we have enough of our own lazybutts here).
Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
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Date: June 12, 2009 04:58PM
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Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
spunky
()
Date: June 12, 2009 07:57PM
No, you're not smart. Don't you realize that the majority of the illegals with their small burritos are Gay? With their added numbers they can help push the Gay agenda, with their burritos.
Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
Vince(1)
()
Date: June 12, 2009 08:07PM
Hispanics are the only group willing to work hard labor in VA. Every day I see them working...working hard. They bring youth...they bring a work ethic.
I never thought Id say this...but I agree with 90% of what Registered Voter said.
And Spunky...who the hell cares about the size of their burritos?
Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.
I never thought Id say this...but I agree with 90% of what Registered Voter said.
And Spunky...who the hell cares about the size of their burritos?
Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.
Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
spunky
()
Date: June 12, 2009 08:14PM
Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Hispanics are the only group willing to work hard
> labor in VA. Every day I see them
> working...working hard. They bring youth...they
> bring a work ethic.
>
> I never thought Id say this...but I agree with 90%
> of what Registered Voter said.
>
> And Spunky...who the hell cares about the size of
> their burritos?
Vince I don't care, just stating a fact. By culture I believe the Asians are the smallest. There was a study done but I didn't commit it all to memory. Google it if your interested.
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> Hispanics are the only group willing to work hard
> labor in VA. Every day I see them
> working...working hard. They bring youth...they
> bring a work ethic.
>
> I never thought Id say this...but I agree with 90%
> of what Registered Voter said.
>
> And Spunky...who the hell cares about the size of
> their burritos?
Vince I don't care, just stating a fact. By culture I believe the Asians are the smallest. There was a study done but I didn't commit it all to memory. Google it if your interested.
Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
Harry Tuttle
()
Date: June 12, 2009 08:41PM
God damn, SpunkNuts, you are hilarious. If you thought the gay agenda was evil enough already, just wait till they bring out their secret weapon.
I googled typical burrito sized and I'm afraid your right! It turns out Asian burritos are called egg rolls. Mexican burritos usually are smaller than their Amerian counterparts... Funny thing is that africans don't have burritos!
Well, Spunky, darling, statistics can be misleading... The truth is, my burrito is wrapped in one half of a soggy, white, flour tortilla and there is excess tortilla at the end of the chicharron filling! Don't you hate when you bite into a burrito and all you get is tortilla? Oh I almost forgot that there is melted cheese all over my burrito as well...
Take care, spunky... I love you girl.
spunky Wrote:
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> No, you're not smart. Don't you realize that the
> majority of the illegals with their small burritos
> are Gay? With their added numbers they can help
> push the Gay agenda, with their burritos.
I googled typical burrito sized and I'm afraid your right! It turns out Asian burritos are called egg rolls. Mexican burritos usually are smaller than their Amerian counterparts... Funny thing is that africans don't have burritos!
Well, Spunky, darling, statistics can be misleading... The truth is, my burrito is wrapped in one half of a soggy, white, flour tortilla and there is excess tortilla at the end of the chicharron filling! Don't you hate when you bite into a burrito and all you get is tortilla? Oh I almost forgot that there is melted cheese all over my burrito as well...
Take care, spunky... I love you girl.
spunky Wrote:
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> No, you're not smart. Don't you realize that the
> majority of the illegals with their small burritos
> are Gay? With their added numbers they can help
> push the Gay agenda, with their burritos.
Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
spunky
()
Date: June 12, 2009 09:31PM
Harry Tuttle Wrote:
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> God damn, SpunkNuts, you are hilarious. If you
> thought the gay agenda was evil enough already,
> just wait till they bring out their secret
> weapon.
>
> I googled typical burrito sized and I'm afraid
> your right! It turns out Asian burritos are called
> egg rolls. Mexican burritos usually are smaller
> than their Amerian counterparts... Funny thing is
> that africans don't have burritos!
>
They don't need burritos, they can stand on their own.
Harry are you black?
> Well, Spunky, darling, statistics can be
> misleading... The truth is, my burrito is wrapped
> in one half of a soggy, white, flour tortilla and
> there is excess tortilla at the end of the
> chicharron filling! Don't you hate when you bite
> into a burrito and all you get is tortilla? Oh I
>
YES!
almost forgot that there is melted cheese all over
> my burrito as well...
>
Did you throw-up or something?
> Take care, spunky... I love you girl.
Right back atcha ya sugar!
>
> spunky Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > No, you're not smart. Don't you realize that
> the
> > majority of the illegals with their small
> burritos
> > are Gay? With their added numbers they can
> help
> > push the Gay agenda, with their burritos.
-------------------------------------------------------
> God damn, SpunkNuts, you are hilarious. If you
> thought the gay agenda was evil enough already,
> just wait till they bring out their secret
> weapon.
>
> I googled typical burrito sized and I'm afraid
> your right! It turns out Asian burritos are called
> egg rolls. Mexican burritos usually are smaller
> than their Amerian counterparts... Funny thing is
> that africans don't have burritos!
>
They don't need burritos, they can stand on their own.
Harry are you black?
> Well, Spunky, darling, statistics can be
> misleading... The truth is, my burrito is wrapped
> in one half of a soggy, white, flour tortilla and
> there is excess tortilla at the end of the
> chicharron filling! Don't you hate when you bite
> into a burrito and all you get is tortilla? Oh I
>
YES!
almost forgot that there is melted cheese all over
> my burrito as well...
>
Did you throw-up or something?
> Take care, spunky... I love you girl.
Right back atcha ya sugar!
>
> spunky Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > No, you're not smart. Don't you realize that
> the
> > majority of the illegals with their small
> burritos
> > are Gay? With their added numbers they can
> help
> > push the Gay agenda, with their burritos.
Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
Gravis
()
Date: June 12, 2009 11:05PM
Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Hispanics are the only group willing to work hard
> labor in VA. Every day I see them
> working...working hard. They bring youth...they
> bring a work ethic.
actually, you are exactly wrong. it's white males in their 20s that work harder than anyone else. there was a huge study (sampled 10 million workers!) the topic and it was blindingly clear how accurate it was.
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
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> Hispanics are the only group willing to work hard
> labor in VA. Every day I see them
> working...working hard. They bring youth...they
> bring a work ethic.
actually, you are exactly wrong. it's white males in their 20s that work harder than anyone else. there was a huge study (sampled 10 million workers!) the topic and it was blindingly clear how accurate it was.
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
K to the P
()
Date: June 12, 2009 11:51PM
Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Hispanics are the only group willing to work hard
> labor in VA. Every day I see them
> working...working hard. They bring youth...they
> bring a work ethic.
>
> I never thought Id say this...but I agree with 90%
> of what Registered Voter said.
>
> And Spunky...who the hell cares about the size of
> their burritos?
Isnt that a racist statement vinke? Making assumptions based on a persons skin color or ethnic background?
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> Hispanics are the only group willing to work hard
> labor in VA. Every day I see them
> working...working hard. They bring youth...they
> bring a work ethic.
>
> I never thought Id say this...but I agree with 90%
> of what Registered Voter said.
>
> And Spunky...who the hell cares about the size of
> their burritos?
Isnt that a racist statement vinke? Making assumptions based on a persons skin color or ethnic background?
Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
Vince(1)
()
Date: June 13, 2009 06:48PM
K to the P Wrote:
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Hispanics are the only group willing to work
> hard
> > labor in VA. Every day I see them
> > working...working hard. They bring
> youth...they
> > bring a work ethic.
> >
> > I never thought Id say this...but I agree with
> 90%
> > of what Registered Voter said.
> >
> > And Spunky...who the hell cares about the size
> of
> > their burritos?
>
>
> Isnt that a racist statement vinke? Making
> assumptions based on a persons skin color or
> ethnic background?
It's not based on skin color..it's based on observation. I saw a house in my neighborhood having an addition put on. Within 12 working days..the hispanics had a foundation dug up...poured...the frame for a garage and second story and a roof put on the addition. Now that the white tradesmen need to come in...do the duct work...electricity...dry wall...work has come to a grinding halt!
When's the last time you saw a white guy hanging off the back of a dump truck picking up trash?
Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 06/13/2009 06:51PM by Vince(1).
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Hispanics are the only group willing to work
> hard
> > labor in VA. Every day I see them
> > working...working hard. They bring
> youth...they
> > bring a work ethic.
> >
> > I never thought Id say this...but I agree with
> 90%
> > of what Registered Voter said.
> >
> > And Spunky...who the hell cares about the size
> of
> > their burritos?
>
>
> Isnt that a racist statement vinke? Making
> assumptions based on a persons skin color or
> ethnic background?
It's not based on skin color..it's based on observation. I saw a house in my neighborhood having an addition put on. Within 12 working days..the hispanics had a foundation dug up...poured...the frame for a garage and second story and a roof put on the addition. Now that the white tradesmen need to come in...do the duct work...electricity...dry wall...work has come to a grinding halt!
When's the last time you saw a white guy hanging off the back of a dump truck picking up trash?
Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 06/13/2009 06:51PM by Vince(1).
Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
spunky
()
Date: June 13, 2009 09:03PM
I volunteer Vince to hang off the garbage truck.
You dumbass, I'm not a carpenter, but even I know your Hispanic friends had the easiest job and the fact that it took them 12 days to do that shows just how lazy they can be.
You haven't seen much in your life, have you?
You dumbass, I'm not a carpenter, but even I know your Hispanic friends had the easiest job and the fact that it took them 12 days to do that shows just how lazy they can be.
You haven't seen much in your life, have you?
Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
Vince(1)
()
Date: June 13, 2009 09:04PM
spunky Wrote:
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> I volunteer Vince to hang off the garbage truck.
>
> You dumbass, I'm not a carpenter, but even I know
> your Hispanic friends had the easiest job and the
> fact that it took them 12 days to do that shows
> just how lazy they can be.
>
> You haven't seen much in your life, have you?
The issue isnt "easy" or difficult...the issue is showing up!
Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.
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> I volunteer Vince to hang off the garbage truck.
>
> You dumbass, I'm not a carpenter, but even I know
> your Hispanic friends had the easiest job and the
> fact that it took them 12 days to do that shows
> just how lazy they can be.
>
> You haven't seen much in your life, have you?
The issue isnt "easy" or difficult...the issue is showing up!
Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.
Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
graymoose1
()
Date: June 13, 2009 09:57PM
Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians new
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: June 13, 2009 09:04PM
spunky Wrote:
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> I volunteer Vince to hang off the garbage truck.
>
> You dumbass, I'm not a carpenter, but even I know
> your Hispanic friends had the easiest job and the
> fact that it took them 12 days to do that shows
> just how lazy they can be.
>
> You haven't seen much in your life, have you?
The issue isnt "easy" or difficult...the issue is showing up!
Vince, I know how much you love your illegal friends, but why is it even the Hispanics that are here legally hate the border jumpers???
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: June 13, 2009 09:04PM
spunky Wrote:
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> I volunteer Vince to hang off the garbage truck.
>
> You dumbass, I'm not a carpenter, but even I know
> your Hispanic friends had the easiest job and the
> fact that it took them 12 days to do that shows
> just how lazy they can be.
>
> You haven't seen much in your life, have you?
The issue isnt "easy" or difficult...the issue is showing up!
Vince, I know how much you love your illegal friends, but why is it even the Hispanics that are here legally hate the border jumpers???
Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
Vince(1)
()
Date: June 13, 2009 10:11PM
graymoose1 Wrote:
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> Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
> new
> Posted by: Vince(1) ()
> Date: June 13, 2009 09:04PM
>
>
> spunky Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I volunteer Vince to hang off the garbage truck.
>
> >
> > You dumbass, I'm not a carpenter, but even I
> know
> > your Hispanic friends had the easiest job and
> the
> > fact that it took them 12 days to do that shows
>
> > just how lazy they can be.
> >
> > You haven't seen much in your life, have you?
>
> The issue isnt "easy" or difficult...the issue is
> showing up!
>
>
>
>
>
> Vince, I know how much you love your illegal
> friends, but why is it even the Hispanics that are
> here legally hate the border jumpers???
I am sure some do and some dont. There is one certaintude in life..the more one is blessed with..the more one believes he is entitled to. This would be true of the hispanics that have forgotten from whence they come,
Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.
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> Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
> new
> Posted by: Vince(1) ()
> Date: June 13, 2009 09:04PM
>
>
> spunky Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I volunteer Vince to hang off the garbage truck.
>
> >
> > You dumbass, I'm not a carpenter, but even I
> know
> > your Hispanic friends had the easiest job and
> the
> > fact that it took them 12 days to do that shows
>
> > just how lazy they can be.
> >
> > You haven't seen much in your life, have you?
>
> The issue isnt "easy" or difficult...the issue is
> showing up!
>
>
>
>
>
> Vince, I know how much you love your illegal
> friends, but why is it even the Hispanics that are
> here legally hate the border jumpers???
I am sure some do and some dont. There is one certaintude in life..the more one is blessed with..the more one believes he is entitled to. This would be true of the hispanics that have forgotten from whence they come,
Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.
Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
graymoose1
()
Date: June 14, 2009 12:02AM
That might be true for some, But I am blessed and I will never forget where I came from.
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Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
spunky
()
Date: June 14, 2009 12:26AM
Vince(1) Wrote:
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> spunky Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I volunteer Vince to hang off the garbage
> truck.
> >
> > You dumbass, I'm not a carpenter, but even I
> know
> > your Hispanic friends had the easiest job and
> the
> > fact that it took them 12 days to do that shows
> > just how lazy they can be.
> >
> > You haven't seen much in your life, have you?
>
> The issue isnt "easy" or difficult...the issue is
> showing up!
What? Are u on drugs? Snap outta it Bozo.
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> spunky Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I volunteer Vince to hang off the garbage
> truck.
> >
> > You dumbass, I'm not a carpenter, but even I
> know
> > your Hispanic friends had the easiest job and
> the
> > fact that it took them 12 days to do that shows
> > just how lazy they can be.
> >
> > You haven't seen much in your life, have you?
>
> The issue isnt "easy" or difficult...the issue is
> showing up!
What? Are u on drugs? Snap outta it Bozo.
Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
Alias
()
Date: June 14, 2009 02:45AM
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Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
Vince(1)
()
Date: June 14, 2009 09:43AM
graymoose1 Wrote:
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> That might be true for some, But I am blessed and
> I will never forget where I came from.
So tell us..where do you come from? Have your ancestors been here for hundreds of years...were they royalty?
Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.
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> That might be true for some, But I am blessed and
> I will never forget where I came from.
So tell us..where do you come from? Have your ancestors been here for hundreds of years...were they royalty?
Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.
Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
Vince(1)
()
Date: June 14, 2009 09:45AM
Alias Wrote:
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> " I saw a house in my neighborhood having an
> addition put on. Within 12 working days..the
> hispanics had a foundation dug up...poured...the
> frame for a garage and second story and a roof put
> on the addition. Now that the white tradesmen need
> to come in...do the duct work...electricity...dry
> wall...work has come to a grinding halt!"
> ____________
> Vince, as an expert on hispanics .... why do they
> stare?
I have never noticed them staring...perhaps they are afraid/suspicious of you. I think every animal has one of 2 instincts when faced with danger...stare at it so as to establish dominance or to hide..look away...bury ones head in the sand.
Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.
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> " I saw a house in my neighborhood having an
> addition put on. Within 12 working days..the
> hispanics had a foundation dug up...poured...the
> frame for a garage and second story and a roof put
> on the addition. Now that the white tradesmen need
> to come in...do the duct work...electricity...dry
> wall...work has come to a grinding halt!"
> ____________
> Vince, as an expert on hispanics .... why do they
> stare?
I have never noticed them staring...perhaps they are afraid/suspicious of you. I think every animal has one of 2 instincts when faced with danger...stare at it so as to establish dominance or to hide..look away...bury ones head in the sand.
Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.
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Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
graymoose1
()
Date: June 14, 2009 01:24PM
Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians new
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: June 14, 2009 09:43AM
graymoose1 Wrote:
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> That might be true for some, But I am blessed and
> I will never forget where I came from.
So tell us..where do you come from? Have your ancestors been here for hundreds of years...were they royalty?
why yes I am royalty, so bow before me you worthless piece of shit.
So it shall it be written, so it shall be done.
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W.W.S.D. what would Scooby Doo
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: June 14, 2009 09:43AM
graymoose1 Wrote:
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> That might be true for some, But I am blessed and
> I will never forget where I came from.
So tell us..where do you come from? Have your ancestors been here for hundreds of years...were they royalty?
why yes I am royalty, so bow before me you worthless piece of shit.
So it shall it be written, so it shall be done.
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W.W.S.D. what would Scooby Doo
Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
Vince(1)
()
Date: June 14, 2009 02:23PM
graymoose1 Wrote:
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> Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
> new
> Posted by: Vince(1) ()
> Date: June 14, 2009 09:43AM
>
>
> graymoose1 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > That might be true for some, But I am blessed
> and
> > I will never forget where I came from.
>
> So tell us..where do you come from? Have your
> ancestors been here for hundreds of years...were
> they royalty?
>
>
>
>
> why yes I am royalty, so bow before me you
> worthless piece of shit.
> So it shall it be written, so it shall be done.
Hmmm...guns...family concerned...vitriolics...dillusions of grandeur! All very distubing.
Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.
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> Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
> new
> Posted by: Vince(1) ()
> Date: June 14, 2009 09:43AM
>
>
> graymoose1 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > That might be true for some, But I am blessed
> and
> > I will never forget where I came from.
>
> So tell us..where do you come from? Have your
> ancestors been here for hundreds of years...were
> they royalty?
>
>
>
>
> why yes I am royalty, so bow before me you
> worthless piece of shit.
> So it shall it be written, so it shall be done.
Hmmm...guns...family concerned...vitriolics...dillusions of grandeur! All very distubing.
Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.
Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
graymoose1
()
Date: June 14, 2009 03:21PM
Vince(1) as my grandson says " you make me laugh".
You are by far the strangest person I have never met
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W.W.S.D. what would Scooby Doo
You are by far the strangest person I have never met
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W.W.S.D. what would Scooby Doo
Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
Vince(1)
()
Date: June 14, 2009 10:23PM
graymoose1 Wrote:
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> Vince(1) as my grandson says " you make me
> laugh".
> You are by far the strangest person I have never
> met
You claim to have not forgotten where you came from. I just wish to establish that the odds are your original immigrant ancestor was probaly no better then the average Mexican coming across the border legally or illegally. The royalty of Europe, Asia, Africa did not emmigrate here...the scum form those countriies came here...as is stated on the Staue of Liberty..Give me your poor....your tired..your huddled masses...
So please...dont forget where you come from.
Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.
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> Vince(1) as my grandson says " you make me
> laugh".
> You are by far the strangest person I have never
> met
You claim to have not forgotten where you came from. I just wish to establish that the odds are your original immigrant ancestor was probaly no better then the average Mexican coming across the border legally or illegally. The royalty of Europe, Asia, Africa did not emmigrate here...the scum form those countriies came here...as is stated on the Staue of Liberty..Give me your poor....your tired..your huddled masses...
So please...dont forget where you come from.
Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.
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Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
Alias
()
Date: June 15, 2009 02:15AM
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/29/2012 02:01PM by Alias.
Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
spunky
()
Date: June 15, 2009 03:11AM
They do stare and they don't care, they want to make us uncomfortable in our own country.
America should now be looked upon as a house, our American House. If we don't invite people into our house then they shouldn't be allowed in, if they come anyway then we should kick them out before they eat US out of house and home. Which I might add they are doing. Rude behavior in my house by those who have crashed my house party should never be tolerated.
Just a thought, chew on it. Staring is rude behavior!
Who's in charge of our house?
America should now be looked upon as a house, our American House. If we don't invite people into our house then they shouldn't be allowed in, if they come anyway then we should kick them out before they eat US out of house and home. Which I might add they are doing. Rude behavior in my house by those who have crashed my house party should never be tolerated.
Just a thought, chew on it. Staring is rude behavior!
Who's in charge of our house?
Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
Vince(1)
()
Date: June 15, 2009 07:06AM
Alias Wrote:
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> Vince,
>
> Sorry, but your answer didn't satisfy me.
> Mexicans do stare. Even, if you make eye
> contact, they keep staring. Why? Is it a
> cultural thing?
>
> Like Chinese looking over your shoulder at an ATM
> machine? (in China, anyway)
I told you..they are afraid of you.
Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.
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> Vince,
>
> Sorry, but your answer didn't satisfy me.
> Mexicans do stare. Even, if you make eye
> contact, they keep staring. Why? Is it a
> cultural thing?
>
> Like Chinese looking over your shoulder at an ATM
> machine? (in China, anyway)
I told you..they are afraid of you.
Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.
Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
Vince(1)
()
Date: June 15, 2009 07:07AM
spunky Wrote:
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> They do stare and they don't care, they want to
> make us uncomfortable in our own country.
>
> America should now be looked upon as a house, our
> American House. If we don't invite people into
> our house then they shouldn't be allowed in, if
> they come anyway then we should kick them out
> before they eat US out of house and home. Which I
> might add they are doing. Rude behavior in my
> house by those who have crashed my house party
> should never be tolerated.
>
> Just a thought, chew on it. Staring is rude
> behavior!
>
> Who's in charge of our house?
We did invite them in...the jobs that need filling...the employers who need someone..anyone willing to do hard labor. Money was the invitation.
Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.
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> They do stare and they don't care, they want to
> make us uncomfortable in our own country.
>
> America should now be looked upon as a house, our
> American House. If we don't invite people into
> our house then they shouldn't be allowed in, if
> they come anyway then we should kick them out
> before they eat US out of house and home. Which I
> might add they are doing. Rude behavior in my
> house by those who have crashed my house party
> should never be tolerated.
>
> Just a thought, chew on it. Staring is rude
> behavior!
>
> Who's in charge of our house?
We did invite them in...the jobs that need filling...the employers who need someone..anyone willing to do hard labor. Money was the invitation.
Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.
Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
Truer than True
()
Date: June 15, 2009 08:13AM
Illegals work for less and it keeps the wages artificially low. The additional costs from social services (welfare, education, emergency health care, etc) adds up to more than $30,000 per year per illegal that it cost taxpayers. That doesn't count the additional cost due to rise in crime.
So it might be great to get your lawn mowed for a little less money but in the end, it costs a hell of a lot more than getting the job done my a citizen.
So it might be great to get your lawn mowed for a little less money but in the end, it costs a hell of a lot more than getting the job done my a citizen.
Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
§
()
Date: June 15, 2009 11:31AM
On the flipside, white-collar professionals don't really care about the blue-collar wage compression by illegals because it keeps our prices of goods and services low.
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Attachments:
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Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
Vince supports rapists
()
Date: June 15, 2009 11:31AM
Sexual Assault in Fairfax Area
Fair Oaks Police District - A 20-year-old woman was allegedly assaulted in a parking lot in the 4300 block of Cannon Ridge Court. On Sunday, June 7 at around 12:30 a.m., the victim was at the trunk of her car as a man ran up and grabbed her waist. The man pulled at her clothing and forced her between two parked cars.
Two witnesses heard the victim scream and came to her aid. They held the suspect until officers arrived and took him into custody. There were no injuries.
The suspect, Victor Ramirez-Giron, 29, of no fixed address, was arrested and transported to the Fairfax County Adult Detention Center. He was charged with aggravated sexual battery and abduction with intent to defile.
Fair Oaks Police District - A 20-year-old woman was allegedly assaulted in a parking lot in the 4300 block of Cannon Ridge Court. On Sunday, June 7 at around 12:30 a.m., the victim was at the trunk of her car as a man ran up and grabbed her waist. The man pulled at her clothing and forced her between two parked cars.
Two witnesses heard the victim scream and came to her aid. They held the suspect until officers arrived and took him into custody. There were no injuries.
The suspect, Victor Ramirez-Giron, 29, of no fixed address, was arrested and transported to the Fairfax County Adult Detention Center. He was charged with aggravated sexual battery and abduction with intent to defile.
Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
Vince supports rapists
()
Date: June 15, 2009 11:33AM
Sexual Assault in Vienna Area
McLean Police District – A 21-year-old woman was assaulted while walking in the 8600 block of Park Street in Vienna. On Sunday, June 7 at around 9 p.m., the victim was allegedly grabbed by a man who forced her to a near by dumpster. The suspect sexually assaulted the victim before she was able to break free. She did not require medical attention.
The victim reported the incident on June 8 and officers located a suspect in the area of the alleged incident. The suspect, Edwin Requeno-Lemus, 34, of 148 Cedar Lane #194 in Vienna was arrested and transported to the Fairfax County Adult Detention Center. He was charged with abduction and sexual battery.
McLean Police District – A 21-year-old woman was assaulted while walking in the 8600 block of Park Street in Vienna. On Sunday, June 7 at around 9 p.m., the victim was allegedly grabbed by a man who forced her to a near by dumpster. The suspect sexually assaulted the victim before she was able to break free. She did not require medical attention.
The victim reported the incident on June 8 and officers located a suspect in the area of the alleged incident. The suspect, Edwin Requeno-Lemus, 34, of 148 Cedar Lane #194 in Vienna was arrested and transported to the Fairfax County Adult Detention Center. He was charged with abduction and sexual battery.
Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
Vince(1)
()
Date: June 15, 2009 11:38AM
oh boy...back to the crime thing...what an artificial argument...as if..if every illiegal went home crime stats would really go down....
Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.
Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.
Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
Yes
()
Date: June 15, 2009 11:40AM
Vince(1) Wrote:
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> oh boy...back to the crime thing...what an
> artificial argument...as if..if every illiegal
> went home crime stats would really go down....
They would.
Learn how to spell, dumbfuck.
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> oh boy...back to the crime thing...what an
> artificial argument...as if..if every illiegal
> went home crime stats would really go down....
They would.
Learn how to spell, dumbfuck.
Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
Vince(1)
()
Date: June 15, 2009 11:44AM
Yes Wrote:
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > oh boy...back to the crime thing...what an
> > artificial argument...as if..if every illiegal
> > went home crime stats would really go down....
>
> They would.
>
> Learn how to spell, dumbfuck.
No they wouldnt!
Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > oh boy...back to the crime thing...what an
> > artificial argument...as if..if every illiegal
> > went home crime stats would really go down....
>
> They would.
>
> Learn how to spell, dumbfuck.
No they wouldnt!
Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.
Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
§
()
Date: June 15, 2009 11:45AM
As much as I hate to agree with Vince(1), he's right. In NoVA alone, illegals account for less than 1% of crimes. Across the country, this number is less than 0.001%. Hardly enough to move the needle.
This, of course, excludes the crime of being in this country illegally.
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This, of course, excludes the crime of being in this country illegally.
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Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
MrMephisto
()
Date: June 15, 2009 11:45AM
Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Yes Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Vince(1) Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > oh boy...back to the crime thing...what an
> > > artificial argument...as if..if every
> illiegal
> > > went home crime stats would really go
> down....
> >
> > They would.
> >
> > Learn how to spell, dumbfuck.
>
> No they wouldnt!
Ok, in the spirit of compromise, I will agree that crime rates WILL NOT change if illegal immigrants were kicked out of the country if you agree that crime rates WILL NOT change if all guns were confiscated.
Likewise, I will agree to having all guns confiscated if you agree to kick out all illegal immigrants.
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> Yes Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Vince(1) Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > oh boy...back to the crime thing...what an
> > > artificial argument...as if..if every
> illiegal
> > > went home crime stats would really go
> down....
> >
> > They would.
> >
> > Learn how to spell, dumbfuck.
>
> No they wouldnt!
Ok, in the spirit of compromise, I will agree that crime rates WILL NOT change if illegal immigrants were kicked out of the country if you agree that crime rates WILL NOT change if all guns were confiscated.
Likewise, I will agree to having all guns confiscated if you agree to kick out all illegal immigrants.
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13 4826 0948 82695 25847. Yes.
Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
Vince(1)
()
Date: June 15, 2009 11:52AM
I cant agree to that....the murder rate would go down.
Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.
Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.
Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
MrMephisto
()
Date: June 15, 2009 11:56AM
Sure you can. All you have to back up your argument about guns is statistics supporting your view. You dismiss any statistics that don't back up your side of the argument as mere propoganda, so it's impossible to call this a "fact." Right now, the "less guns less murder" thing is just a theory.
I'll support your theory if you support mine that ILLEGAL immigrants need to either go through the process of becoming a citizen in accordance with the law, or go back to their country of origin.
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13 4826 0948 82695 25847. Yes.
I'll support your theory if you support mine that ILLEGAL immigrants need to either go through the process of becoming a citizen in accordance with the law, or go back to their country of origin.
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13 4826 0948 82695 25847. Yes.
Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
statman
()
Date: June 15, 2009 12:57PM
§ Wrote:
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> As much as I hate to agree with Vince(1), he's
> right. In NoVA alone, illegals account for less
> than 1% of crimes. Across the country, this
> number is less than 0.001%. Hardly enough to move
> the needle.
Where did you get your numbers. I am not necessarily disagreeing with them, but a source would be nice. Thanks.
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> As much as I hate to agree with Vince(1), he's
> right. In NoVA alone, illegals account for less
> than 1% of crimes. Across the country, this
> number is less than 0.001%. Hardly enough to move
> the needle.
Where did you get your numbers. I am not necessarily disagreeing with them, but a source would be nice. Thanks.
Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
Vince(1)
()
Date: June 15, 2009 02:22PM
MrMephisto Wrote:
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> Sure you can. All you have to back up your
> argument about guns is statistics supporting your
> view. You dismiss any statistics that don't back
> up your side of the argument as mere propoganda,
> so it's impossible to call this a "fact." Right
> now, the "less guns less murder" thing is just a
> theory.
>
> I'll support your theory if you support mine that
> ILLEGAL immigrants need to either go through the
> process of becoming a citizen in accordance with
> the law, or go back to their country of origin.
Im all for giving them a path to citizenship.
Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.
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> Sure you can. All you have to back up your
> argument about guns is statistics supporting your
> view. You dismiss any statistics that don't back
> up your side of the argument as mere propoganda,
> so it's impossible to call this a "fact." Right
> now, the "less guns less murder" thing is just a
> theory.
>
> I'll support your theory if you support mine that
> ILLEGAL immigrants need to either go through the
> process of becoming a citizen in accordance with
> the law, or go back to their country of origin.
Im all for giving them a path to citizenship.
Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.
Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
Vins Fan
()
Date: June 15, 2009 02:43PM
I lik Vins. Vins is kuul. Hes raysism wonts mor iligals to mow lowns and pic frute. Vins liks chepe laber for harde wirk. Vins spels Ks for Cs and wonts iligals for mor demuKrate voturs. Vins is kuul. I lik Vins.
Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
MrMephisto
()
Date: June 15, 2009 02:46PM
Vince(1) Wrote:
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> MrMephisto Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Sure you can. All you have to back up your
> > argument about guns is statistics supporting
> your
> > view. You dismiss any statistics that don't
> back
> > up your side of the argument as mere
> propoganda,
> > so it's impossible to call this a "fact."
> Right
> > now, the "less guns less murder" thing is just
> a
> > theory.
> >
> > I'll support your theory if you support mine
> that
> > ILLEGAL immigrants need to either go through
> the
> > process of becoming a citizen in accordance
> with
> > the law, or go back to their country of origin.
>
>
> Im all for giving them a path to citizenship.
Me too, but the first step is to eliminate the incentives for NOT taking the "legal" path to citizenship.
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13 4826 0948 82695 25847. Yes.
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> MrMephisto Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Sure you can. All you have to back up your
> > argument about guns is statistics supporting
> your
> > view. You dismiss any statistics that don't
> back
> > up your side of the argument as mere
> propoganda,
> > so it's impossible to call this a "fact."
> Right
> > now, the "less guns less murder" thing is just
> a
> > theory.
> >
> > I'll support your theory if you support mine
> that
> > ILLEGAL immigrants need to either go through
> the
> > process of becoming a citizen in accordance
> with
> > the law, or go back to their country of origin.
>
>
> Im all for giving them a path to citizenship.
Me too, but the first step is to eliminate the incentives for NOT taking the "legal" path to citizenship.
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13 4826 0948 82695 25847. Yes.
Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
§
()
Date: June 15, 2009 03:44PM
statman Wrote:
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> § Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > As much as I hate to agree with Vince(1), he's
> > right. In NoVA alone, illegals account for
> less
> > than 1% of crimes. Across the country, this
> > number is less than 0.001%. Hardly enough to
> move
> > the needle.
>
> Where did you get your numbers. I am not
> necessarily disagreeing with them, but a source
> would be nice. Thanks.
I wish I could recall where I read them recently. Likely the Post via some illegal advocate organization in the last 3 months or so. But really, statistics on this subject from any vested source, whether it be The Minutemen or the National Hispanic Center, should not be fully trusted.
The only thing I imagine would make sense from a validity standpoint is to take say (1) number of illegals arrested in any given county divided by (2) total number of arrests for that same county during that same time period. It definitely wouldn't cover multiple offenses by illegals, so there's your margin of error.
.
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> § Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > As much as I hate to agree with Vince(1), he's
> > right. In NoVA alone, illegals account for
> less
> > than 1% of crimes. Across the country, this
> > number is less than 0.001%. Hardly enough to
> move
> > the needle.
>
> Where did you get your numbers. I am not
> necessarily disagreeing with them, but a source
> would be nice. Thanks.
I wish I could recall where I read them recently. Likely the Post via some illegal advocate organization in the last 3 months or so. But really, statistics on this subject from any vested source, whether it be The Minutemen or the National Hispanic Center, should not be fully trusted.
The only thing I imagine would make sense from a validity standpoint is to take say (1) number of illegals arrested in any given county divided by (2) total number of arrests for that same county during that same time period. It definitely wouldn't cover multiple offenses by illegals, so there's your margin of error.
.
Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
statman
()
Date: June 15, 2009 04:19PM
§ Wrote:
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> I wish I could recall where I read them recently.
> Likely the Post via some illegal advocate
> organization in the last 3 months or so. But
> really, statistics on this subject from any vested
> source, whether it be The Minutemen or the
> National Hispanic Center, should not be fully
> trusted.
>
> The only thing I imagine would make sense from a
> validity standpoint is to take say (1) number of
> illegals arrested in any given county divided by
> (2) total number of arrests for that same county
> during that same time period. It definitely
> wouldn't cover multiple offenses by illegals, so
> there's your margin of error.
Understood, but the problem with that formula is that most counties do NOT keep statistics on whether an arrestee is an illegal immigrant. In the metropolitan area, Prince William County is the only one that comes to mind that does in fact keep and publish the statistics. Fairfax only started checking violent offenders within the past month or so and who knows if they will EVER release the information. Everyone else's numbers need to be called into question when it comes to this methodology. Looking at the chart below, many crimes are underrepresented by illegal immigrants. However, one that does stand out is the sexual assault crime. Those crimes give citizens the creeps and rightfully so. If the trend holds out across the region, I don't care what the overall crime rate is, you have a problem - as demonstrated by the two stories posted above (although no proof they are, in fact, illegal immigrants).
The only other way to quatify the "crime statistic" associated with illegal immigration is to look at the State Criminal Alien Assistance Program, which provides federal payments to states and localities that incurred correctional officer salary costs for incarcerating undocumented criminal aliens with at least one felony or two misdemeanor convictions for violations of state or local law, and incarcerated for at least 4 consecutive days during the reporting period. Fairfax County alone recieved over $1M last fiscal year.
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> I wish I could recall where I read them recently.
> Likely the Post via some illegal advocate
> organization in the last 3 months or so. But
> really, statistics on this subject from any vested
> source, whether it be The Minutemen or the
> National Hispanic Center, should not be fully
> trusted.
>
> The only thing I imagine would make sense from a
> validity standpoint is to take say (1) number of
> illegals arrested in any given county divided by
> (2) total number of arrests for that same county
> during that same time period. It definitely
> wouldn't cover multiple offenses by illegals, so
> there's your margin of error.
Understood, but the problem with that formula is that most counties do NOT keep statistics on whether an arrestee is an illegal immigrant. In the metropolitan area, Prince William County is the only one that comes to mind that does in fact keep and publish the statistics. Fairfax only started checking violent offenders within the past month or so and who knows if they will EVER release the information. Everyone else's numbers need to be called into question when it comes to this methodology. Looking at the chart below, many crimes are underrepresented by illegal immigrants. However, one that does stand out is the sexual assault crime. Those crimes give citizens the creeps and rightfully so. If the trend holds out across the region, I don't care what the overall crime rate is, you have a problem - as demonstrated by the two stories posted above (although no proof they are, in fact, illegal immigrants).
The only other way to quatify the "crime statistic" associated with illegal immigration is to look at the State Criminal Alien Assistance Program, which provides federal payments to states and localities that incurred correctional officer salary costs for incarcerating undocumented criminal aliens with at least one felony or two misdemeanor convictions for violations of state or local law, and incarcerated for at least 4 consecutive days during the reporting period. Fairfax County alone recieved over $1M last fiscal year.
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Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
MrMephisto
()
Date: June 15, 2009 04:35PM
statman Wrote:
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> Understood, but the problem with that formula is
> that most counties do NOT keep statistics on
> whether an arrestee is an illegal immigrant. In
> the metropolitan area, Prince William County is
> the only one that comes to mind that does in fact
> keep and publish the statistics. Fairfax only
> started checking violent offenders within the past
> month or so and who knows if they will EVER
> release the information. Everyone else's numbers
> need to be called into question when it comes to
> this methodology. Looking at the chart below,
> many crimes are underrepresented by illegal
> immigrants. However, one that does stand out is
> the sexual assault crime. Those crimes give
> citizens the creeps and rightfully so. If the
> trend holds out across the region, I don't care
> what the overall crime rate is, you have a problem
> - as demonstrated by the two stories posted above
> (although no proof they are, in fact, illegal
> immigrants).
>
> The only other way to quatify the "crime
> statistic" associated with illegal immigration is
> to look at the State Criminal Alien Assistance
> Program, which provides federal payments to states
> and localities that incurred correctional officer
> salary costs for incarcerating undocumented
> criminal aliens with at least one felony or two
> misdemeanor convictions for violations of state or
> local law, and incarcerated for at least 4
> consecutive days during the reporting period.
> Fairfax County alone recieved over $1M last fiscal
> year.
BOOOOO-RIIIIIING
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> Understood, but the problem with that formula is
> that most counties do NOT keep statistics on
> whether an arrestee is an illegal immigrant. In
> the metropolitan area, Prince William County is
> the only one that comes to mind that does in fact
> keep and publish the statistics. Fairfax only
> started checking violent offenders within the past
> month or so and who knows if they will EVER
> release the information. Everyone else's numbers
> need to be called into question when it comes to
> this methodology. Looking at the chart below,
> many crimes are underrepresented by illegal
> immigrants. However, one that does stand out is
> the sexual assault crime. Those crimes give
> citizens the creeps and rightfully so. If the
> trend holds out across the region, I don't care
> what the overall crime rate is, you have a problem
> - as demonstrated by the two stories posted above
> (although no proof they are, in fact, illegal
> immigrants).
>
> The only other way to quatify the "crime
> statistic" associated with illegal immigration is
> to look at the State Criminal Alien Assistance
> Program, which provides federal payments to states
> and localities that incurred correctional officer
> salary costs for incarcerating undocumented
> criminal aliens with at least one felony or two
> misdemeanor convictions for violations of state or
> local law, and incarcerated for at least 4
> consecutive days during the reporting period.
> Fairfax County alone recieved over $1M last fiscal
> year.
BOOOOO-RIIIIIING
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Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
Squillies S
()
Date: June 15, 2009 04:41PM
§ Wrote:
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> .
At least you're good for one thing....FUNNY AZZ PICS! Butthead!
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> .
At least you're good for one thing....FUNNY AZZ PICS! Butthead!
Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
§
()
Date: June 15, 2009 05:00PM
Butthead? How old are you little fella?
I believe we can find you a Republican on this site to mentor you toward better language, among other things.
.
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Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
Squillies S
()
Date: June 15, 2009 05:27PM
§ Wrote:
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> Butthead? How old are you little fella?
>
> I believe we can find you a Republican on this
> site to mentor you toward better language, among
> other things.
> .
You like Anal don't ya!
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> Butthead? How old are you little fella?
>
> I believe we can find you a Republican on this
> site to mentor you toward better language, among
> other things.
> .
You like Anal don't ya!
Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
§
()
Date: June 15, 2009 05:47PM
Who is Anal? Is he your friend?
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Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
Squillies S
()
Date: June 15, 2009 05:53PM
§ Wrote:
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> Who is Anal? Is he your friend?
> .
For $5 dollar I make you Holla!
for $1 buck I let you suck!
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> Who is Anal? Is he your friend?
> .
For $5 dollar I make you Holla!
for $1 buck I let you suck!
Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
§
()
Date: June 15, 2009 06:07PM
Here. You might need these for advertising purposes.
.
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Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
Squillies S
()
Date: June 15, 2009 07:48PM
§ Wrote:
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> Here. You might need these for advertising
> purposes.
> .
I might need them b/c you like to see me in them! GAYTARD!
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> Here. You might need these for advertising
> purposes.
> .
I might need them b/c you like to see me in them! GAYTARD!
Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
Vince(1)
()
Date: June 15, 2009 08:49PM
Trying to make the point that undocumented commit more crimes is ridiculous. They risk their lives to get here...to work! Get arrested you cant work! When the truth is obvious you dont need stats to prove your point..you need "facts" to justify counter intuitive facts.
Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.
Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.
Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
Furfur
()
Date: June 15, 2009 08:55PM
Vince(1) Wrote:
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> They risk their lives to get here...to work!
Explain MS-13 to me.
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> They risk their lives to get here...to work!
Explain MS-13 to me.
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“It's too bad that stupidity isn't painful." - Anton Lavey
Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
Melissa
()
Date: June 15, 2009 09:41PM
Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Trying to make the point that undocumented commit
> more crimes is ridiculous. They risk their lives
> to get here...to work! Get arrested you cant
> work! When the truth is obvious you dont need
> stats to prove your point..you need "facts" to
> justify counter intuitive facts.
And some hop the border as they are wanted criminals in their own countries.
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Being vague is almost as fun as that other thing.
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> Trying to make the point that undocumented commit
> more crimes is ridiculous. They risk their lives
> to get here...to work! Get arrested you cant
> work! When the truth is obvious you dont need
> stats to prove your point..you need "facts" to
> justify counter intuitive facts.
And some hop the border as they are wanted criminals in their own countries.
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Being vague is almost as fun as that other thing.
Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
spunky
()
Date: June 15, 2009 11:31PM
Don't forget they are known liars, and criminals. Even an illegal from Salvador, and he wasn't the only one, told me they all steal, lie and cheat. So if they even admit to it why should we allow them to infest our country? We don't need or want that element here. They do not contribute to a healty life-style in general, so why even deal or associate with them? Unless you want to become a MARK for them to steal and assualt you.
Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
Gravis
()
Date: June 15, 2009 11:38PM
spunky Wrote:
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> Don't forget they are known liars, and criminals.
> Even an illegal from Salvador, and he wasn't the
> only one, told me they all steal, lie and cheat.
> So if they even admit to it why should we allow
> them to infest our country? We don't need or want
> that element here. They do not contribute to a
> healty life-style in general, so why even deal or
> associate with them? Unless you want to become a
> MARK for them to steal and assualt you.
talk about making hefty generalizations.
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
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> Don't forget they are known liars, and criminals.
> Even an illegal from Salvador, and he wasn't the
> only one, told me they all steal, lie and cheat.
> So if they even admit to it why should we allow
> them to infest our country? We don't need or want
> that element here. They do not contribute to a
> healty life-style in general, so why even deal or
> associate with them? Unless you want to become a
> MARK for them to steal and assualt you.
talk about making hefty generalizations.
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
Furfur
()
Date: June 15, 2009 11:43PM
spunky Wrote:
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> Don't forget they are known liars, and criminals.
> Even an illegal from Salvador, and he wasn't the
> only one, told me they all steal, lie and cheat.
> So if they even admit to it why should we allow
> them to infest our country? We don't need or want
> that element here. They do not contribute to a
> healty life-style in general, so why even deal or
> associate with them? Unless you want to become a
> MARK for them to steal and assualt you.
Was this the same "illegal" that told you about the peyote?
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> Don't forget they are known liars, and criminals.
> Even an illegal from Salvador, and he wasn't the
> only one, told me they all steal, lie and cheat.
> So if they even admit to it why should we allow
> them to infest our country? We don't need or want
> that element here. They do not contribute to a
> healty life-style in general, so why even deal or
> associate with them? Unless you want to become a
> MARK for them to steal and assualt you.
Was this the same "illegal" that told you about the peyote?
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“It's too bad that stupidity isn't painful." - Anton Lavey
Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
spunky
()
Date: June 16, 2009 02:34AM
You dumbass moron, I never said an illegal was talking about peyote. I heard about that on NPRadio.
Furfur...you shouldn't be allowed to interact with others without adult supervision. In fact you should be on a leash.
This is how I feel in a nutshell about this subject:
I don't believe a woman, child, person or citizen should be made to feel uncomfortable in our own country by an illegal. If you avoid going places
to avoid being around them or their stares...then they've won.
I have been conquering my fears and getting stronger. Being forced to feel afraid in our own country is barbaric and abusive on so many levels.
They stare because they are trying to feel dominant and to make you feel uncomfortable. They are like dogs in that they smell your fear and will react to it. They already don't like us and look for any reason to re-enforce their perceptions. A good friend back home upon seeing an older man staring at me said to stare back at them, so I do. It's empowering. Women, especially, need more empowering acts.
Furfur...you shouldn't be allowed to interact with others without adult supervision. In fact you should be on a leash.
This is how I feel in a nutshell about this subject:
I don't believe a woman, child, person or citizen should be made to feel uncomfortable in our own country by an illegal. If you avoid going places
to avoid being around them or their stares...then they've won.
I have been conquering my fears and getting stronger. Being forced to feel afraid in our own country is barbaric and abusive on so many levels.
They stare because they are trying to feel dominant and to make you feel uncomfortable. They are like dogs in that they smell your fear and will react to it. They already don't like us and look for any reason to re-enforce their perceptions. A good friend back home upon seeing an older man staring at me said to stare back at them, so I do. It's empowering. Women, especially, need more empowering acts.
Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
Harry Tuttle
()
Date: June 16, 2009 02:45AM
spunky Wrote:
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> I don't believe a woman, child, person or citizen
> should be made to feel uncomfortable in our own
> country by an illegal. If you avoid going places
> to avoid being around them or their stares...then
> they've won.
Put "fear has" where "they've" is. That's something I can agree with.
> I have been conquering my fears and getting
> stronger.
Good for you, not just everybody makes it a mission to conquer fears.
> Being forced to feel afraid in our own
> country is barbaric and abusive on so many
> levels.
I agree spunky... "Fight like a brave, don't be a slave, no one can tell you you've got to be afraid."
The thing is NO ONE is forcing you to feel afraid but yourself. Even with all the talk about nuclear tests and how ill-prepared America is for nuclear weapons, it is solely up to you to be afraid or not. Don't cop out by blaming it on illegals.
>
> They stare because they are trying to feel
> dominant and to make you feel uncomfortable.
Maybe they are scared and feel uncomfortable?
> They
> are like dogs in that they smell your fear and
> will react to it. They already don't like us and
> look for any reason to re-enforce their
> perceptions.
Sounds like someone is projecting.
> A good friend back home upon seeing
> an older man staring at me said to stare back at
> them, so I do. It's empowering. Women,
> especially, need more empowering acts.
Next time I "challenge you" to smile and give a respectful head nod or maybe wave. See how evil they are. You aren't helping to disprove the stereotypes they may have about you if you just stare back. Come on baby girl, you're better than that!
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> I don't believe a woman, child, person or citizen
> should be made to feel uncomfortable in our own
> country by an illegal. If you avoid going places
> to avoid being around them or their stares...then
> they've won.
Put "fear has" where "they've" is. That's something I can agree with.
> I have been conquering my fears and getting
> stronger.
Good for you, not just everybody makes it a mission to conquer fears.
> Being forced to feel afraid in our own
> country is barbaric and abusive on so many
> levels.
I agree spunky... "Fight like a brave, don't be a slave, no one can tell you you've got to be afraid."
The thing is NO ONE is forcing you to feel afraid but yourself. Even with all the talk about nuclear tests and how ill-prepared America is for nuclear weapons, it is solely up to you to be afraid or not. Don't cop out by blaming it on illegals.
>
> They stare because they are trying to feel
> dominant and to make you feel uncomfortable.
Maybe they are scared and feel uncomfortable?
> They
> are like dogs in that they smell your fear and
> will react to it. They already don't like us and
> look for any reason to re-enforce their
> perceptions.
Sounds like someone is projecting.
> A good friend back home upon seeing
> an older man staring at me said to stare back at
> them, so I do. It's empowering. Women,
> especially, need more empowering acts.
Next time I "challenge you" to smile and give a respectful head nod or maybe wave. See how evil they are. You aren't helping to disprove the stereotypes they may have about you if you just stare back. Come on baby girl, you're better than that!
Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
Pedro at 7-11
()
Date: June 16, 2009 02:50AM
Spunky, mine of friend, I dedicate no ill-will towards your of persona. Stare not I, or any of mine co-workers. I desire to labor hard, and produce financial wealth for family in Tijuana.
Hope do I that you discover peaceful life and sensation of safety.
Hope do I that you discover peaceful life and sensation of safety.
Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
Kenny_Powers
()
Date: June 16, 2009 03:03AM
is that you yoda?
Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
Vince(1)
()
Date: June 16, 2009 06:55AM
Furfur Wrote:
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > They risk their lives to get here...to work!
>
>
>
> Explain MS-13 to me.
I bet the high percentage of them are here legally. By the way..I 100% support sending back any undocumented worker...if they are convicted of a violent crime.
Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > They risk their lives to get here...to work!
>
>
>
> Explain MS-13 to me.
I bet the high percentage of them are here legally. By the way..I 100% support sending back any undocumented worker...if they are convicted of a violent crime.
Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.
Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
TheRealDeal
()
Date: June 16, 2009 08:21AM
Gravis Wrote:
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Hispanics are the only group willing to work
> hard
> > labor in VA. Every day I see them
> > working...working hard. They bring
> youth...they
> > bring a work ethic.
>
> actually, you are exactly wrong. it's white males
> in their 20s that work harder than anyone else.
> there was a huge study (sampled 10 million
> workers!) the topic and it was blindingly clear
> how accurate it was.
Doing what...sitting in mom's basement posting on FFXU?
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Hispanics are the only group willing to work
> hard
> > labor in VA. Every day I see them
> > working...working hard. They bring
> youth...they
> > bring a work ethic.
>
> actually, you are exactly wrong. it's white males
> in their 20s that work harder than anyone else.
> there was a huge study (sampled 10 million
> workers!) the topic and it was blindingly clear
> how accurate it was.
Doing what...sitting in mom's basement posting on FFXU?
Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
inkahootz
()
Date: June 16, 2009 08:31AM
Squillies S Wrote:
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> § Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Butthead? How old are you little fella?
> >
> > I believe we can find you a Republican on this
> > site to mentor you toward better language,
> among
> > other things.
> > .
>
>
>
> You like Anal don't ya!
Bob/fairfaxDUD loves anal and is more than willing to 'mentor' young Republican teenage boys. just go to the address listed below:
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> § Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Butthead? How old are you little fella?
> >
> > I believe we can find you a Republican on this
> > site to mentor you toward better language,
> among
> > other things.
> > .
>
>
>
> You like Anal don't ya!
Bob/fairfaxDUD loves anal and is more than willing to 'mentor' young Republican teenage boys. just go to the address listed below:
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Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
fairfaxdude
()
Date: June 16, 2009 09:05AM
Can any of you regulars (aka INKY-pals) let us know what poor Bob did to deserve all this attention?
Cause I'm getting just a tad weirded out by the INKY posts, truth be told. I think we might have a serious mental health intervention on our hands, right here in the FFXU living room!
SHEESH!
So BILL is BOB is someone else too? I hear the Twilight Zone music playing in the background now.
______________________________________________
I have had to change the addresses to my retaliatory blogs over half a dozen times.
Cause I'm getting just a tad weirded out by the INKY posts, truth be told. I think we might have a serious mental health intervention on our hands, right here in the FFXU living room!
SHEESH!
So BILL is BOB is someone else too? I hear the Twilight Zone music playing in the background now.
______________________________________________
I have had to change the addresses to my retaliatory blogs over half a dozen times.
Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
inkahootz
()
Date: June 16, 2009 09:21AM
s
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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 06/01/2010 06:32AM by inkahootz.
Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
statman
()
Date: June 16, 2009 09:54AM
MrMephisto Wrote:
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>
> BOOOOO-RIIIIIING
Sorry, didn't mean to interrupt the oh so interesting and compelling fag cat fight you and Vince were engaged in. Get back to it, bitch
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I don't know, but it's been said, "You do or don't, MrMephisto gives Vince head."
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>
> BOOOOO-RIIIIIING
Sorry, didn't mean to interrupt the oh so interesting and compelling fag cat fight you and Vince were engaged in. Get back to it, bitch
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I don't know, but it's been said, "You do or don't, MrMephisto gives Vince head."
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Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
MrMephisto
()
Date: June 16, 2009 01:11PM
statman Wrote:
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> MrMephisto Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > BOOOOO-RIIIIIING
>
> Sorry, didn't mean to interrupt the oh so
> interesting and compelling fag cat fight you and
> Vince were engaged in. Get back to it, bitch
>
> -----------------------------------
> I don't know, but it's been said, "You do or
> don't, MrMephisto gives Vince head."
It was supposed to be funny, but go ahead and take offense.
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> MrMephisto Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > BOOOOO-RIIIIIING
>
> Sorry, didn't mean to interrupt the oh so
> interesting and compelling fag cat fight you and
> Vince were engaged in. Get back to it, bitch
>
> -----------------------------------
> I don't know, but it's been said, "You do or
> don't, MrMephisto gives Vince head."
It was supposed to be funny, but go ahead and take offense.
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Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
Vince(1)
()
Date: June 16, 2009 06:14PM
MrMephisto Wrote:
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> statman Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > MrMephisto Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > >
> > > BOOOOO-RIIIIIING
> >
> > Sorry, didn't mean to interrupt the oh so
> > interesting and compelling fag cat fight you
> and
> > Vince were engaged in. Get back to it, bitch
> >
> > -----------------------------------
> > I don't know, but it's been said, "You do or
> > don't, MrMephisto gives Vince head."
>
> It was supposed to be funny, but go ahead and take
> offense.
No one on here has a sense of humor unless it is at someone else's expense.
Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.
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> statman Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > MrMephisto Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > >
> > > BOOOOO-RIIIIIING
> >
> > Sorry, didn't mean to interrupt the oh so
> > interesting and compelling fag cat fight you
> and
> > Vince were engaged in. Get back to it, bitch
> >
> > -----------------------------------
> > I don't know, but it's been said, "You do or
> > don't, MrMephisto gives Vince head."
>
> It was supposed to be funny, but go ahead and take
> offense.
No one on here has a sense of humor unless it is at someone else's expense.
Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.
Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
Harry Tuttle
()
Date: June 16, 2009 06:24PM
Vince(1) Wrote:
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> No one on here has a sense of humor unless it is
> at someone else's expense.
I'm convinced you have to idea what you're talking about. Good luck with your stagnant perception of reality.
P.S. I have a very tiny, uncircumcised penis.
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> No one on here has a sense of humor unless it is
> at someone else's expense.
I'm convinced you have to idea what you're talking about. Good luck with your stagnant perception of reality.
P.S. I have a very tiny, uncircumcised penis.
Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
Vince(1)
()
Date: June 16, 2009 06:36PM
Harry Tuttle Wrote:
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > No one on here has a sense of humor unless it
> is
> > at someone else's expense.
>
> I'm convinced you have to idea what you're talking
> about. Good luck with your stagnant perception of
> reality.
>
> P.S. I have a very tiny, uncircumcised penis.
Whatever you have...be proud of it...it's all you have!
Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > No one on here has a sense of humor unless it
> is
> > at someone else's expense.
>
> I'm convinced you have to idea what you're talking
> about. Good luck with your stagnant perception of
> reality.
>
> P.S. I have a very tiny, uncircumcised penis.
Whatever you have...be proud of it...it's all you have!
Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.
Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
spunky
()
Date: June 17, 2009 04:30AM
Please stop this nonsense and derailing threads, OK?
Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
Vince(1)
()
Date: June 17, 2009 07:07AM
spunky Wrote:
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> Please stop this nonsense and derailing threads,
> OK?
Ok...give us a dose of your fear of hispanics..how they stare at you...undress you with their eyes.
Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.
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> Please stop this nonsense and derailing threads,
> OK?
Ok...give us a dose of your fear of hispanics..how they stare at you...undress you with their eyes.
Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.
Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
MrMephisto
()
Date: June 17, 2009 10:45AM
Vince(1) Wrote:
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> spunky Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Please stop this nonsense and derailing
> threads,
> > OK?
>
> Ok...give us a dose of your fear of hispanics..how
> they stare at you...undress you with their eyes.
Or sneak into her house and move shit around at the request of the government.
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13 4826 0948 82695 25847. Yes.
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> spunky Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Please stop this nonsense and derailing
> threads,
> > OK?
>
> Ok...give us a dose of your fear of hispanics..how
> they stare at you...undress you with their eyes.
Or sneak into her house and move shit around at the request of the government.
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13 4826 0948 82695 25847. Yes.
Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
El Blanco Diablo
()
Date: June 17, 2009 10:50AM
Vince(1) Wrote:
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> spunky Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Please stop this nonsense and derailing
> threads,
> > OK?
>
> Ok...give us a dose of your fear of hispanics..how
> they stare at you...undress you with their eyes.
Vince, give us a dose of your lust of male hispanics..how you stare at them...undress them with your eyes. Wait, nevermind, keep that crap to yourself!
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> spunky Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Please stop this nonsense and derailing
> threads,
> > OK?
>
> Ok...give us a dose of your fear of hispanics..how
> they stare at you...undress you with their eyes.
Vince, give us a dose of your lust of male hispanics..how you stare at them...undress them with your eyes. Wait, nevermind, keep that crap to yourself!
Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
ITRADE
()
Date: June 17, 2009 10:54AM
Does he like smooth skinned Brazilian boys?
Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
spunky
()
Date: June 17, 2009 11:06AM
ITRADE Wrote:
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> Does he like smooth skinned Brazilian boys?
Oh yes, and Honduran, El Salvadoran, Bolivian, peruvian and the list never stops.
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> Does he like smooth skinned Brazilian boys?
Oh yes, and Honduran, El Salvadoran, Bolivian, peruvian and the list never stops.
Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
spunky
()
Date: June 18, 2009 10:12PM
Harry has said that Hispanics stare because they are scared. I don't believe people stare when they are afraid, it's just the opposite they avoid eye-contact.
Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
Harry Tuttle
()
Date: June 18, 2009 10:41PM
Is it that hard to scroll up and read spunknuts? I was definitely not making any generalization about hispanics. I was merely offering a different point of view. It's now apparent that you are a static character. I no longer have a crush on your sexy body, I am moving on. Good day.
Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
spunky
()
Date: June 18, 2009 11:39PM
Harry Tuttle Wrote:
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> Is it that hard to scroll up and read spunknuts? I
> was definitely not making any generalization about
> hispanics. I was merely offering a different point
If that's your pitiful explanantion, which I don't believe for
one minute, then at least note such at the time for clairty, which you
seem to need a lot of surrounding your posts
of view. It's now apparent that you are a static
> character. I no longer have a crush on your sexy
> body, I am moving on. Good day.
Nothing is apparent here, except that you're a LOSER! This is the first I have
heard of any crush...thank God, and the fact that you are moving on. My lucky day! Being exposed for the LOSER you are can hurt, so don't go away mad, just go away. Good ridance animal.
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> Is it that hard to scroll up and read spunknuts? I
> was definitely not making any generalization about
> hispanics. I was merely offering a different point
If that's your pitiful explanantion, which I don't believe for
one minute, then at least note such at the time for clairty, which you
seem to need a lot of surrounding your posts
of view. It's now apparent that you are a static
> character. I no longer have a crush on your sexy
> body, I am moving on. Good day.
Nothing is apparent here, except that you're a LOSER! This is the first I have
heard of any crush...thank God, and the fact that you are moving on. My lucky day! Being exposed for the LOSER you are can hurt, so don't go away mad, just go away. Good ridance animal.
Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
Furfur
()
Date: June 18, 2009 11:42PM
Spunky trying to get in shape:
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“It's too bad that stupidity isn't painful." - Anton Lavey
Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
Harry Tuttle
()
Date: June 18, 2009 11:56PM
spunky Wrote:
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> If that's your pitiful explanantion, which I don't
> believe for
> one minute, then at least note such at the time
> for clairty, which you
> seem to need a lot of surrounding your posts
>
> Nothing is apparent here, except that you're a
> LOSER! This is the first I have
> heard of any crush...thank God, and the fact that
> you are moving on. My lucky day! Being exposed
> for the LOSER you are can hurt, so don't go away
> mad, just go away. Good ridance animal.
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> If that's your pitiful explanantion, which I don't
> believe for
> one minute, then at least note such at the time
> for clairty, which you
> seem to need a lot of surrounding your posts
>
> Nothing is apparent here, except that you're a
> LOSER! This is the first I have
> heard of any crush...thank God, and the fact that
> you are moving on. My lucky day! Being exposed
> for the LOSER you are can hurt, so don't go away
> mad, just go away. Good ridance animal.
Attachments:
Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
spunky
()
Date: June 19, 2009 12:40AM
Oh Furfur, and your friends, it seems you are angry, why?
Ha! Ha! Ha!
Ha! Ha! Ha!
Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
Vince(1)
()
Date: June 19, 2009 09:10AM
I would rather have the average undocumented worker living next to me....
Who thinks Junes and Spunky are one in the same?
Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.
Who thinks Junes and Spunky are one in the same?
Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.
Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
Melissa
()
Date: June 19, 2009 09:12AM
Go move to Alabama Dr. in Herndon. You'll be surrounded.
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Being vague is almost as fun as that other thing.
Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
Vince(1)
()
Date: June 19, 2009 09:38AM
Melissa Wrote:
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> Go move to Alabama Dr. in Herndon. You'll be
> surrounded.
Rather then being surrounded by the Spunkies of the world...I'll take it.
Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.
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> Go move to Alabama Dr. in Herndon. You'll be
> surrounded.
Rather then being surrounded by the Spunkies of the world...I'll take it.
Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.
Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
Harry Tuttle
()
Date: June 19, 2009 01:32PM
Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Rather then being surrounded by the Spunkies of
> the world...I'll take it.
I have to agree.
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> Rather then being surrounded by the Spunkies of
> the world...I'll take it.
I have to agree.
Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
Harry Tuttle
()
Date: June 19, 2009 01:35PM
She seems like the type of woman to constantly spy on neighbors, paint bushes neon orange so people don't drive into them, and if she didn't like one of her neighbors, she seems like the type try to organize the neighborhood and eject her unwanted neighbor by any means necessary.
Re: The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Virginians
Posted by:
oh reallly?
()
Date: January 26, 2014 04:02PM
Harry Tuttle Wrote:
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> She seems like the type of woman to constantly spy
> on neighbors, paint bushes neon orange so people
> don't drive into them, and if she didn't like one
> of her neighbors, she seems like the type try to
> organize the neighborhood and eject her unwanted
> neighbor by any means necessary.
thats not nice harry.
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> She seems like the type of woman to constantly spy
> on neighbors, paint bushes neon orange so people
> don't drive into them, and if she didn't like one
> of her neighbors, she seems like the type try to
> organize the neighborhood and eject her unwanted
> neighbor by any means necessary.
thats not nice harry.