Friday, July 31, 2015

The Obama administration slapped a secret designation Friday on a number of Hillary Rodham Clinton’s emails from her time as secretary of state, raising more questions about whether her controversial email arrangement led to classified information being left unsecured.

A new tranche of Clinton emails, released by the State Department under a court order to impose transparency on the Obama administration, contains dozens of documents with information redacted and labeled either “confidential” or “sensitive.”

Lol. How she isn't in jail is mind boggling. What's also a joke is how Bill is known to have a mistress. Bill and Hill are only "together" for her whil she is running. It's all smoke in mirrors and lies true to their party.

"slapped a secret designation”? what does that mean?

causeican Wrote:
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> "slapped a secret designation”? what does that mean?

I suppose it means that while reviewing the email, they discovered that it contained classified information at the level of SECRET, and so they have now classified that batch of documents at that level.

Here is your crash course.

There is CONFIDENTIAL, SECRET, and TOP-SECRET. Those are the onl y levels. There can also be "compartment" code words attached to the classification that restrict it further within the level.

There is also "sensitive but unclassified" and similar things, which are not to be shown to any foreigners nor to the general public, but which are not actually considered "classified".

causeican Wrote:
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> "slapped a secret designation”? what does that
> mean?

It could mean a variety of things.

1) The email may lead someone to conclusions that might identify classified information. Ei, Where Clinton went on certain date or how agendas of people at the Department of State are setup.

2) The Obama administration is trying to hide some politically sensitive information sent in personal emails.

3) There maybe embarrassing personal information that Hillary doesn't want the world to know like doctors information or private Clinton family information like a kids health records.

Remember these are her personal emails. It's the same as having all your personal emails released to the public.

The reason the GOP is digging deep into emails is for two reasons. One the GOP thinks there is mole in the GOP party communicating by emails. Two, the GOP is just fishing for anything embarrassing and personal emails might dredge something up.

eMJ9H Wrote:
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> causeican Wrote:
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> > "slapped a secret designation”? what does
> that mean?
>
> I suppose it means that while reviewing the email,
> they discovered that it contained classified
> information at the level of SECRET, and so they
> have now classified that batch of documents at
> that level.
>
> Here is your crash course.
>
> There is CONFIDENTIAL, SECRET, and TOP-SECRET.
> Those are the onl y levels. There can also be
> "compartment" code words attached to the
> classification that restrict it further within the
> level.
>
> There is also "sensitive but unclassified" and
> similar things, which are not to be shown to any
> foreigners nor to the general public, but which
> are not actually considered "classified".

Thank you.

Reality Checker Wrote:
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> causeican Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > "slapped a secret designation”? what does
> that
> > mean?
>
> It could mean a variety of things.
>
> 1) The email may lead someone to conclusions that
> might identify classified information. Ei, Where
> Clinton went on certain date or how agendas of
> people at the Department of State are setup.
>
> 2) The Obama administration is trying to hide some
> politically sensitive information sent in personal
> emails.
>
> 3) There maybe embarrassing personal information
> that Hillary doesn't want the world to know like
> doctors information or private Clinton family
> information like a kids health records.
>
> Remember these are her personal emails. It's the
> same as having all your personal emails released
> to the public.
>
> The reason the GOP is digging deep into emails is
> for two reasons. One the GOP thinks there is mole
> in the GOP party communicating by emails. Two, the
> GOP is just fishing for anything embarrassing and
> personal emails might dredge something up.

Do you think Hillary should not be called to account? People in high positions need to be accountable to someone or they will go mad with power (to our detriment). Some people with wealth and power already think they don’t have to answer to anyone.

So what if the GOP is searching for something? She should come clean. Even if she has done nothing wrong. The process is essential.

Besides, she should graciously agree to the process because she brought this upon herself by breaking the rules.

Our nation is not a monarchy and she is not a queen.

Reality Checker Wrote:
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> causeican Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > "slapped a secret designation”? what does
> that
> > mean?
>
> It could mean a variety of things.
>
> 1) The email may lead someone to conclusions that
> might identify classified information. Ei, Where
> Clinton went on certain date or how agendas of
> people at the Department of State are setup.
>
> 2) The Obama administration is trying to hide some
> politically sensitive information sent in personal
> emails.
>
> 3) There maybe embarrassing personal information
> that Hillary doesn't want the world to know like
> doctors information or private Clinton family
> information like a kids health records.
>
> Remember these are her personal emails. It's the
> same as having all your personal emails released
> to the public.
>
> The reason the GOP is digging deep into emails is
> for two reasons. One the GOP thinks there is mole
> in the GOP party communicating by emails. Two, the
> GOP is just fishing for anything embarrassing and
> personal emails might dredge something up.


They are NOT her personal emails. They are official records created in her role as a public official which are required by law to be preserved, protected with respect to confidentiality and security classification, and which are subject to public review under FOIA. They are not even her personal emails by her own definition since she culled personal email prior to providing what State is working with.

The release wasn't the result of the "GOP." It's the result of a Federal judge's order responding to suits related to stone-walled FOIA requests by a variety of groups.

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Judge Orders Clinton Emails Released on a Rolling Basis

State Department had proposed one-time release of 55,000 emails by January 2016

By BYRON TAU and PETER NICHOLAS
Updated May 19, 2015 1:29 p.m. ET

A federal judge on Tuesday instructed the State Department to release former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s emails on a rolling basis rather than all at once after they have been cleared.

At a court hearing on Tuesday, federal District Court Judge Rudolph Contreras instructed the State Department to come up with a new schedule for the release of the email archive, which has become the target of multiple lawsuits seeking their release.

The order didn't specify a timeline for the full release of the archive.

The State Department this week proposed a one-time release of 55,000 pages of emails from Mrs. Clinton’s time in office by January 2016, just weeks before voters in Iowa head to the caucuses in the first Democratic presidential contest.

The department cited the sheer number of records as well as the sensitivity of the material in proposing a timeline that would see the record made public by early next year...

The lawsuit over Mrs. Clinton’s emails was brought by Jason Leopold, an investigative reporter with Vice News. Other lawsuits against the State Department have been filed by the Associated Press and other news organizations and advocacy groups.

The requests for Clinton's records by various Congressional committees are a separate matter related only in that there was mutual interest given the discovery of Clinton's undisclosed mail server after State had responded to prior requests saying that they had nothing.

I'd say 75% of Americans see the personal email searching for exactly what it is; The republican party grasping at straws trying to dig up something on Hillary.

After all the Benghazi hearings the emails searches just look like biter desperate republicans crying wolf again and grasping at straws.

The republican needs to focus on real issues and forget all this bullshit political posturing. The American public is sick of "Washington political games."

>I suppose it means that while reviewing the email, they discovered that it contained classified information at the level of SECRET, and so they have now classified that batch of documents at that level.

So what you are telling me is that it wasn't labelled SECRET when she sent it so it wasn't secret at that point. As a lawyer, I can find no evidence of wrong doing. Unless you are going to pay someone to come in and review her email before she sends it to see if it needs to be labelled secrent, there is nothing more my client can do. (With the possible exception of using a government server but since the government servers get broken into all the time, Hillary was just protecting the government secrets by a using a private server that the Chinese could't hack. Don't you think you owe Hillary for protecting state secrets from the Chinese?)

>The American public is sick of "Washington political games."

Like do as I say, not as I do?

So the Democrat-run State Department and the Democrat-run Justice Department have both launched criminal investigations into Hillary and her staff.

Best circular firing squad ever.

Obama gets the last laugh after all. His followers hate Hillary.

Now we know why Biden is smiling.

Democrats v Democrats Wrote:
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> So the Democrat-run State Department and the
> Democrat-run Justice Department have both launched
> criminal investigations into Hillary and her
> staff.
>
> Best circular firing squad ever.
>
> Obama gets the last laugh after all. His
> followers hate Hillary.
>
> Now we know why Biden is smiling.

LOL.......TRUMPUBLICANS!!!!

Democrats v Democrats Wrote:
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> So the Democrat-run State Department and the
> Democrat-run Justice Department have both launched
> criminal investigations into Hillary and her
> staff.
>
> Best circular firing squad ever.
>
> Obama gets the last laugh after all. His
> followers hate Hillary.
>
> Now we know why Biden is smiling.
LOL, like rightards like Bush and normal conservatives like Trump....your party is fucked.

Benghazi, e-mails? Is this what you kiddies worry about?

Ve6Gx Wrote:
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> >I suppose it means that while reviewing the
> email, they discovered that it contained
> classified information at the level of SECRET, and
> so they have now classified that batch of
> documents at that level.
>
> So what you are telling me is that it wasn't
> labelled SECRET when she sent it so it wasn't
> secret at that point. As a lawyer, I can find no
> evidence of wrong doing. Unless you are going to
> pay someone to come in and review her email before
> she sends it to see if it needs to be labelled
> secrent, there is nothing more my client can do.
> (With the possible exception of using a government
> server but since the government servers get broken
> into all the time, Hillary was just protecting the
> government secrets by a using a private server
> that the Chinese could't hack. Don't you think
> you owe Hillary for protecting state secrets from
> the Chinese?)


You're not much of an Interweb lawyer then.

That's not how the security and classification system works. Obviously so to anyone who's had any involvement with secure information. Much of the actual specific classification is done after the fact for obvious practical and procedural reasons. There is a presumption of classification and a duty on the part of the individual to maintain security during the course of their work without any such specific designation. That's also why they are required to use secured systems and devices. Whether something is later specifically classified in some way or not doesn't remove the responsibility on the front end. Beyond classified materials there also are legal requirements for proper records management by public officials which were violated.

Actually, I have a fair bit of experience with the security and classification system.

Hillary's primary concern should have been that while individual facts and information may NOT be classified at any particular levels a collection of this information can be considered classified, i.e. classified by compilation. Her server would represent such a compilation. Yeah, it's a problem that you deal with all the time with things like mail servers.

This is part of the reason I suspect it is taking so long to release the email. Someone has to sit down and think about how the facts relate between the messages.

With respect to record management, I suspect this is just a broken on the government side as the private side of Hillary's server. I suspect she will point this out in defense if this ever goes anywhere.

UDvPd Wrote:
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> Actually, I have a fair bit of experience with the
> security and classification system.
>
> Hillary's primary concern should have been that
> while individual facts and information may NOT be
> classified at any particular levels a collection
> of this information can be considered classified,
> i.e. classified by compilation. Her server would
> represent such a compilation. Yeah, it's a
> problem that you deal with all the time with
> things like mail servers.
>
> This is part of the reason I suspect it is taking
> so long to release the email. Someone has to sit
> down and think about how the facts relate between
> the messages.
>
> With respect to record management, I suspect this
> is just a broken on the government side as the
> private side of Hillary's server. I suspect she
> will point this out in defense if this ever goes
> anywhere.


Yeah, and then there's that whole private server thingy to begin with, related unauthorized use and improper maintenance and storage, as well as failures to produce for FOIA, Congressional requests, legal subpoena, and orders of the court, etc., etc.

The reason you suspect that some other failure on the part of government servers would be any kind of justification is because you're a full of shit idiot.

>The reason you suspect that some other failure on the part of government servers would be any kind of justification is because you're a full of shit idiot.

Yeah, I am sure the government is following their own guidelines for backups and record management.

How many times has the government been unable to recover data from backups? I am positive retention policies are regularly ignored -- keeping data too long or not long enough (since storage costs money to do right). Further, even if they do it right, I doubt anyone checks that the backup system is actually working correctly. Don't bother to try reading the backups until you need them. That always works out for the best.

vTmUm Wrote:
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> >The reason you suspect that some other failure on
> the part of government servers would be any kind
> of justification is because you're a full of shit
> idiot.
>
> Yeah, I am sure the government is following their
> own guidelines for backups and record management.
>
> How many times has the government been unable to
> recover data from backups? I am positive
> retention policies are regularly ignored --
> keeping data too long or not long enough (since
> storage costs money to do right). Further, even
> if they do it right, I doubt anyone checks that
> the backup system is actually working correctly.
> Don't bother to try reading the backups until you
> need them. That always works out for the best.


Which you should know makes absolutely no difference as far as being any kind of defense for her own actions pseudo Interweb lawyer. lol

Quit while you're behind dude.

Another republicans witch hunter. The republican party looks like desperate losers. The GOP needs to get new advisors other than old geezers.

Hillary's email server was never broken into. Contrast this with the other parts of the government. It's obvious that Hillary provided a higher standard of protection for the data than was required by law. The State department now has those emails.

What does it matter?

Watergate Wrote:
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> Another republicans witch hunter. The republican
> party looks like desperate losers. The GOP needs
> to get new advisors other than old geezers.


Yeah, that's why three different courts bitch slapped her this week. None of which were related to Republicans. lmao

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KUDDj Wrote:
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> Hillary's email server was never broken into.
> Contrast this with the other parts of the
> government. It's obvious that Hillary provided a
> higher standard of protection for the data than
> was required by law. The State department now has
> those emails.
>
> What does it matter?


First, you don't know that it wasn't hacked and the "higher level of security" isn't obvious at all. Many believe that it likely was targeted after the release of her email address pointing to it while the server was still up.

Second, the mere existence and use was a security risk and violation.

Third, State only has what she decided to turn over.

Forth, State has not been responsive to legal orders for related disclosures in large part due to her maintaining her server in order to avoiding such disclosures.

Last, you're a dumbass.

How any sane rational person could still think that witch would make a good President is absolutely mind-boggling.
No one's ever said Demtardz were sane and rational, though.

>Many believe that it likely was targeted after the release of her email address pointing to it while the server was still up.

And it still wasn't hacked. Face it, Hillary did a better job protecting the information. I suspect she probably has a good understanding of computer security and fax machines.