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How the SCOTUS has over reached it's authority, Same-Sex Marriage issue, Prime Example, based on the Separation of f Powers, US Constitution
Posted by: WillTheUSBeDividedUp? ()
Date: July 01, 2015 01:38PM

As the four dissenting justices pointed out, the Supreme Court does not have the constitutional authority to make this decision. First, even though SCOTUS has taken this authority upon itself, it is a usurped authority and nowhere does the Constitution give it this authority. The authority to determine the constitutionality of laws was given to Congress, not the courts. We are now suffering under the very tyranny that the founders warned about if the courts ever presumed this authority. Regardless of our position on same-sex marriage, every American should be deeply troubled by the actions of SCOTUS that this case is just the most recent and dramatic.

Creeping Tyranny

The first reason this crucial authority was given to Congress instead of the Executive branch, or the courts, is because the Congress is elected every two years, and therefore would be the most accountable to the people, who in the U.S. are the sovereign. The courts were for deciding whether or not individual cases had been tried fairly and justly. But nowhere is any court, including the Supreme Court, given authority to determine if a law or action is constitutional.

Congress does have the authority to designate specific cases to the court for this purpose if it chooses to, but if Congress does not give this authority in a specific case, SCOTUS has no legal authority for such a decision, and it is therefore not valid.

The second reason why this was an unlawful decision is that the Constitution states that any authority not specifically given to the Federal Government is reserved to the states and the people. Nowhere is the Federal Government given authority to give definitions or policy on social issues such as marriage and the family. The hubris of the Supreme Court to change the definition of marriage that has been universally accepted in civilized nations for six thousand years of recorded history is not only shocking, but an unprecedented level of arrogance by the Supreme Court.

Because Congress’ accountability to the people would be the most direct, it was designed to be the most powerful of the three branches of government. It was given “the power of the purse” to maintain their ultimate authority. Because of weak leadership in Congress, both the Executive and Judicial branches have usurped Congress’ authority in recent times to the point where it is now almost powerless, and the predicted tyranny is now a reality.

Without the constitutional authority to do what it did, the SCOTUS has violated its oath to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States from enemies both foreign and domestic. It is against every principle of a republic to have five un-elected officials determine the law of the land. This is why Justice Scalia declared this decision “a threat to democracy.” This was not an overstatement. If this is allowed to stand, we no longer have a Constitutional Republic in America.

What the Federal Government has become is proof that you can have the best form of government and still have bad government if you put bad people in it. The whole system by which we nominate our leaders has become distorted in order to favor incumbents and the establishment so that it is nearly impossible for the will of the people to prevail now.

The government of the United States was not established to be the all-powerful authority over everyone, but rather to be the servant of the people. We, the people, are the sovereign and everyone who works in government is supposed to be working for us. It has now become a runaway monster that is consuming everything in its path. If the people do not rise up to take their authority back, then it will very soon require another revolution to recover democracy in America.

The Foundation of Our Union

The Constitution is the foundation upon which our Federal Government is based, and without the Constitution, our Federal Government no longer has legitimate authority to govern. There has been a long and continuous erosion of the links between the laws and actions of the Federal Government and the Constitution. This decision on same-sex marriage may seem innocuous and even frivolous to most Americans, but it represents such a radical decoupling the Federal Government from the Constitution that it will destroy the legitimacy of the Federal Government if allowed to stand.

The overreach of our Federal Government has put itself in great jeopardy, and in recent years it has divided Americans into factions instead of uniting them. A growing chorus of states is talking seriously about secession, and this is a very real possibility.

Pravda, the Moscow daily newspaper, has been predicting for years that the United States would break up into several pieces just like the Soviet Union. Their reasoning was not based merely on sour grapes, but on the historically proven consequences of the kind of direction in which our government has been going. To date, we have most alarmingly followed the pattern predicted. We really are close to breaking apart.

For an overview of Separation of Powers within the Constitution see:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_powers_under_the_United_States_Constitution

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Re: How the SCOTUS has over reached it's authority, Same-Sex Marriage issue, Prime Example, based on the Separation of f Powers, US Constitution
Posted by: Complete and return this form ()
Date: July 01, 2015 01:43PM

WillTheUSBeDividedUp? Wrote:
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> How the SCOTUS has over reached it's authority,
> Same-Sex Marriage issue, Prime Example, based
> on the Separation of f Powers, US Constitution

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Re: How the SCOTUS has over reached it's authority, Same-Sex Marriage issue, Prime Example, based on the Separation of f Powers, US Constitution
Posted by: gimme dat corkscrew ()
Date: July 01, 2015 01:44PM

WillTheUSBeDividedUp? Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> As the four dissenting justices pointed out, the
> Supreme Court does not have the constitutional
> authority to make this decision. First, even
> though SCOTUS has taken this authority upon
> itself, it is a usurped authority and nowhere does
> the Constitution give it this authority. The
> authority to determine the constitutionality of
> laws was given to Congress, not the courts. We are
> now suffering under the very tyranny that the
> founders warned about if the courts ever presumed
> this authority. Regardless of our position on
> same-sex marriage, every American should be deeply
> troubled by the actions of SCOTUS that this case
> is just the most recent and dramatic.
>
> Creeping Tyranny
>
> The first reason this crucial authority
> was given to Congress instead of the Executive
> branch, or the courts, is because the Congress is
> elected every two years, and therefore would be
> the most accountable to the people, who in the
> U.S. are the sovereign. The courts were for
> deciding whether or not individual cases had been
> tried fairly and justly. But nowhere is any court,
> including the Supreme Court, given authority to
> determine if a law or action is constitutional.
>
> Congress does have the authority to
> designate specific cases to the court for this
> purpose if it chooses to, but if Congress does not
> give this authority in a specific case, SCOTUS has
> no legal authority for such a decision, and it is
> therefore not valid.
>
> The second reason why this was an
> unlawful decision is that the Constitution states
> that any authority not specifically given to the
> Federal Government is reserved to the states and
> the people. Nowhere is the Federal Government
> given authority to give definitions or policy on
> social issues such as marriage and the family. The
> hubris of the Supreme Court to change the
> definition of marriage that has been universally
> accepted in civilized nations for six thousand
> years of recorded history is not only shocking,
> but an unprecedented level of arrogance by the
> Supreme Court.
>
> Because Congress’ accountability to the
> people would be the most direct, it was designed
> to be the most powerful of the three branches of
> government. It was given “the power of the
> purse” to maintain their ultimate authority.
> Because of weak leadership in Congress, both the
> Executive and Judicial branches have usurped
> Congress’ authority in recent times to the point
> where it is now almost powerless, and the
> predicted tyranny is now a reality.
>
> Without the constitutional authority to do
> what it did, the SCOTUS has violated its oath to
> uphold and defend the Constitution of the United
> States from enemies both foreign and domestic. It
> is against every principle of a republic to have
> five un-elected officials determine the law of the
> land. This is why Justice Scalia declared this
> decision “a threat to democracy.” This was not
> an overstatement. If this is allowed to stand, we
> no longer have a Constitutional Republic in
> America.
>
> What the Federal Government has become is
> proof that you can have the best form of
> government and still have bad government if you
> put bad people in it. The whole system by which we
> nominate our leaders has become distorted in order
> to favor incumbents and the establishment so that
> it is nearly impossible for the will of the people
> to prevail now.
>
> The government of the United States was
> not established to be the all-powerful authority
> over everyone, but rather to be the servant of the
> people. We, the people, are the sovereign and
> everyone who works in government is supposed to be
> working for us. It has now become a runaway
> monster that is consuming everything in its path.
> If the people do not rise up to take their
> authority back, then it will very soon require
> another revolution to recover democracy in
> America.
>
> The Foundation of Our Union
>
> The Constitution is the foundation upon
> which our Federal Government is based, and without
> the Constitution, our Federal Government no longer
> has legitimate authority to govern. There has been
> a long and continuous erosion of the links between
> the laws and actions of the Federal Government and
> the Constitution. This decision on same-sex
> marriage may seem innocuous and even frivolous to
> most Americans, but it represents such a radical
> decoupling the Federal Government from the
> Constitution that it will destroy the legitimacy
> of the Federal Government if allowed to stand.
>
>
> The overreach of our Federal Government
> has put itself in great jeopardy, and in recent
> years it has divided Americans into factions
> instead of uniting them. A growing chorus of
> states is talking seriously about secession, and
> this is a very real possibility.
>
> Pravda, the Moscow daily newspaper, has
> been predicting for years that the United States
> would break up into several pieces just like the
> Soviet Union. Their reasoning was not based merely
> on sour grapes, but on the historically proven
> consequences of the kind of direction in which our
> government has been going. To date, we have most
> alarmingly followed the pattern predicted. We
> really are close to breaking apart.
>
> For an overview of Separation of Powers within the
> Constitution see:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_powers
> _under_the_United_States_Constitution

it's time for some
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Re: How the SCOTUS has over reached it's authority, Same-Sex Marriage issue, Prime Example, based on the Separation of f Powers, US Constitution
Posted by: D'oh! Fail = YOU. ()
Date: July 01, 2015 01:46PM

gimme dat corkscrew Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> it's time for some

But the bottle you depect has a screw-top.

D'oh! Fail = YOU.

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Re: How the SCOTUS has over reached it's authority, Same-Sex Marriage issue, Prime Example, based on the Separation of f Powers, US Constitution
Posted by: jCELV ()
Date: July 01, 2015 01:49PM

WillTheUSBeDividedUp? Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> As the four dissenting justices pointed out, the
> Supreme Court does not have the constitutional
> authority to make this decision. First, even
> though SCOTUS has taken this authority upon
> itself, it is a usurped authority and nowhere does
> the Constitution give it this authority. The
> authority to determine the constitutionality of
> laws was given to Congress, not the courts. We are
> now suffering under the very tyranny that the
> founders warned about if the courts ever presumed
> this authority. Regardless of our position on
> same-sex marriage, every American should be deeply
> troubled by the actions of SCOTUS that this case
> is just the most recent and dramatic.
>
> Creeping Tyranny
>
> The first reason this crucial authority
> was given to Congress instead of the Executive
> branch, or the courts, is because the Congress is
> elected every two years, and therefore would be
> the most accountable to the people, who in the
> U.S. are the sovereign. The courts were for
> deciding whether or not individual cases had been
> tried fairly and justly. But nowhere is any court,
> including the Supreme Court, given authority to
> determine if a law or action is constitutional.
>
> Congress does have the authority to
> designate specific cases to the court for this
> purpose if it chooses to, but if Congress does not
> give this authority in a specific case, SCOTUS has
> no legal authority for such a decision, and it is
> therefore not valid.
>
> The second reason why this was an
> unlawful decision is that the Constitution states
> that any authority not specifically given to the
> Federal Government is reserved to the states and
> the people. Nowhere is the Federal Government
> given authority to give definitions or policy on
> social issues such as marriage and the family. The
> hubris of the Supreme Court to change the
> definition of marriage that has been universally
> accepted in civilized nations for six thousand
> years of recorded history is not only shocking,
> but an unprecedented level of arrogance by the
> Supreme Court.
>
> Because Congress’ accountability to the
> people would be the most direct, it was designed
> to be the most powerful of the three branches of
> government. It was given “the power of the
> purse” to maintain their ultimate authority.
> Because of weak leadership in Congress, both the
> Executive and Judicial branches have usurped
> Congress’ authority in recent times to the point
> where it is now almost powerless, and the
> predicted tyranny is now a reality.
>
> Without the constitutional authority to do
> what it did, the SCOTUS has violated its oath to
> uphold and defend the Constitution of the United
> States from enemies both foreign and domestic. It
> is against every principle of a republic to have
> five un-elected officials determine the law of the
> land. This is why Justice Scalia declared this
> decision “a threat to democracy.” This was not
> an overstatement. If this is allowed to stand, we
> no longer have a Constitutional Republic in
> America.
>
> What the Federal Government has become is
> proof that you can have the best form of
> government and still have bad government if you
> put bad people in it. The whole system by which we
> nominate our leaders has become distorted in order
> to favor incumbents and the establishment so that
> it is nearly impossible for the will of the people
> to prevail now.
>
> The government of the United States was
> not established to be the all-powerful authority
> over everyone, but rather to be the servant of the
> people. We, the people, are the sovereign and
> everyone who works in government is supposed to be
> working for us. It has now become a runaway
> monster that is consuming everything in its path.
> If the people do not rise up to take their
> authority back, then it will very soon require
> another revolution to recover democracy in
> America.
>
> The Foundation of Our Union
>
> The Constitution is the foundation upon
> which our Federal Government is based, and without
> the Constitution, our Federal Government no longer
> has legitimate authority to govern. There has been
> a long and continuous erosion of the links between
> the laws and actions of the Federal Government and
> the Constitution. This decision on same-sex
> marriage may seem innocuous and even frivolous to
> most Americans, but it represents such a radical
> decoupling the Federal Government from the
> Constitution that it will destroy the legitimacy
> of the Federal Government if allowed to stand.
>
>
> The overreach of our Federal Government
> has put itself in great jeopardy, and in recent
> years it has divided Americans into factions
> instead of uniting them. A growing chorus of
> states is talking seriously about secession, and
> this is a very real possibility.
>
> Pravda, the Moscow daily newspaper, has
> been predicting for years that the United States
> would break up into several pieces just like the
> Soviet Union. Their reasoning was not based merely
> on sour grapes, but on the historically proven
> consequences of the kind of direction in which our
> government has been going. To date, we have most
> alarmingly followed the pattern predicted. We
> really are close to breaking apart.
>
> For an overview of Separation of Powers within the
> Constitution see:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_powers
> _under_the_United_States_Constitution


WAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY TLDR!!!! SHORTEN THIS SHIT UP!

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Re: How the SCOTUS has over reached it's authority, Same-Sex Marriage issue, Prime Example, based on the Separation of f Powers, US Constitution
Posted by: NoteFromOP ()
Date: July 01, 2015 01:49PM

I don't expect everyone to take time or interest in reading this. Some can't be bothered with the details. However the truth of the matter is within these details, outlining the framework of the responsibility and authority given to each branch of government and

how these are being ignored by those within the Exec., Judicial and Legislative branches.

Also, right now, Congress' has given up on maintaining and using their procribed authority ... and has allowed, the Excutive branch, as well as SCOTUS, to invade their realm of authority, while misapply theirs.

peace.

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Re: How the SCOTUS has over reached it's authority, Same-Sex Marriage issue, Prime Example, based on the Separation of f Powers, US Constitution
Posted by: NoteFromOP () ()
Date: July 01, 2015 01:51PM

Just did.

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Re: How the SCOTUS has over reached it's authority, Same-Sex Marriage issue, Prime Example, based on the Separation of f Powers, US Constitution
Posted by: okay ()
Date: July 01, 2015 01:55PM

NoteFromOP Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I don't expect everyone to take time or interest
> in reading this. Some can't be bothered with the
> details. However the truth of the matter is
> within these details, outlining the framework of
> the responsibility and authority given to each
> branch of government and
>
> how these are being ignored by those within the
> Exec., Judicial and Legislative branches.
>
> Also, right now, Congress' has given up on
> maintaining and using their procribed authority
> ... and has allowed, the Excutive branch, as well
> as SCOTUS, to invade their realm of authority,
> while misapply theirs.
>
> peace.

So time passes, things change.

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