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Trump Tramples Facts in 2016 Campaign Kick-Off Speech
Posted by:
Defender of Freedom and Liberty
()
Date: June 17, 2015 10:17AM
Real estate developer Donald Trump’s speech announcing he is running for the Republican nomination for president contained a number of false and misleading statements on the economy, trade, health care and terrorism:
1) Trump claimed that economic growth has “never” been below zero until last quarter’s drop, which is far from true. It has been below zero 42 times since 1946.
2) He said “there are no jobs” to be had. In fact, there were 5.4 million job openings recorded at the end of April, the most in 15 years.
3) He said the “real” unemployment rate is “anywhere from 18 to 20 percent” and “maybe even 21 percent.” We see no factual basis for this opinion.
4) He boasted he would have blocked new Ford plants in Mexico by threatening to impose a 35 percent tax on vehicles and parts made in Mexico and shipped to the U.S. But only Congress can impose taxes and such a tax would violate the North American Free Trade Agreement.
5) Trump claimed the five Taliban leaders exchanged for Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl “are now back on the battlefield trying to kill us.” But all five remain in Qatar, where they continue to be monitored and are subject to a travel ban, according to the State Department.
6) He also made the misleading claim that health care premium costs are going “up 29, 39, 49 and even 55 percent.” He’s talking about some proposed rate increases on the individual market that still need regulatory approval. There are also proposed rate decreases or single-digit increases that did not have to be submitted for review.
http://www.factcheck.org/2015/06/trump-tramples-facts/
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/17/2015 10:17AM by Defender of Freedom and Liberty.
1) Trump claimed that economic growth has “never” been below zero until last quarter’s drop, which is far from true. It has been below zero 42 times since 1946.
2) He said “there are no jobs” to be had. In fact, there were 5.4 million job openings recorded at the end of April, the most in 15 years.
3) He said the “real” unemployment rate is “anywhere from 18 to 20 percent” and “maybe even 21 percent.” We see no factual basis for this opinion.
4) He boasted he would have blocked new Ford plants in Mexico by threatening to impose a 35 percent tax on vehicles and parts made in Mexico and shipped to the U.S. But only Congress can impose taxes and such a tax would violate the North American Free Trade Agreement.
5) Trump claimed the five Taliban leaders exchanged for Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl “are now back on the battlefield trying to kill us.” But all five remain in Qatar, where they continue to be monitored and are subject to a travel ban, according to the State Department.
6) He also made the misleading claim that health care premium costs are going “up 29, 39, 49 and even 55 percent.” He’s talking about some proposed rate increases on the individual market that still need regulatory approval. There are also proposed rate decreases or single-digit increases that did not have to be submitted for review.
http://www.factcheck.org/2015/06/trump-tramples-facts/
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/17/2015 10:17AM by Defender of Freedom and Liberty.
Re: Trump Tramples Facts in 2016 Campaign Kick-Off Speech
Posted by:
Ralph Pootawn
()
Date: June 17, 2015 10:19AM
Defender of Freedom and Liberty Wrote:
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> Real estate developer Donald Trump’s speech
> announcing he is running for the Republican
> nomination for president contained
Wrong. If you had paid attention you'd know that he hasn't declared a party. He could pull a Ross Perot and go Independent.
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> Real estate developer Donald Trump’s speech
> announcing he is running for the Republican
> nomination for president contained
Wrong. If you had paid attention you'd know that he hasn't declared a party. He could pull a Ross Perot and go Independent.
Re: Trump Tramples Facts in 2016 Campaign Kick-Off Speech
Posted by:
Defender of Freedom and Liberty
()
Date: June 17, 2015 10:29AM
Ralph Pootawn Wrote:
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> He could pull a Ross Perot and go Independent.
But he won't, because he knows that would guarantee Hillary's victory.
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> He could pull a Ross Perot and go Independent.
But he won't, because he knows that would guarantee Hillary's victory.
Re: Trump Tramples Facts in 2016 Campaign Kick-Off Speech
Posted by:
Ralph Pootawn
()
Date: June 17, 2015 10:30AM
Defender of Freedom and Liberty Wrote:
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> Ralph Pootawn Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > He could pull a Ross Perot and go Independent.
>
> But he won't, because he knows that would
> guarantee Hillary's victory.
You're assuming and you know what happens when you assume...
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> Ralph Pootawn Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > He could pull a Ross Perot and go Independent.
>
> But he won't, because he knows that would
> guarantee Hillary's victory.
You're assuming and you know what happens when you assume...
Re: Trump Tramples Facts in 2016 Campaign Kick-Off Speech
Posted by:
dumbass libturdz
()
Date: June 17, 2015 10:39AM
OP is an anti American fuck wad!
Re: Trump Tramples Facts in 2016 Campaign Kick-Off Speech
Posted by:
t777t
()
Date: June 17, 2015 10:56AM
Defender of Freedom and Liberty Wrote:
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> Real estate developer Donald Trump’s speech
> announcing he is running for the Republican
> nomination for president contained a number of
> false and misleading statements on the economy,
> trade, health care and terrorism:
>
> 1) Trump claimed that economic growth has
> “never” been below zero until last quarter’s
> drop, which is far from true. It has been below
> zero 42 times since 1946.
Correct. He was obviously wrong on that one.
>
> 2) He said “there are no jobs” to be had. In
> fact, there were 5.4 million job openings recorded
> at the end of April, the most in 15 years.
He was speaking more generally. Of course there are some jobs around. But hiring for full-time quality positions still is lower that most would like to see with a growing economy which we don't really have.
>
> 3) He said the “real” unemployment rate is
> “anywhere from 18 to 20 percent” and “maybe
> even 21 percent.” We see no factual basis for
> this opinion.
He's generally correct. The 'official' unemployment rate typically used does not reflect true unemployment and underemployment. It may not be that high but in double digits.
>
> 4) He boasted he would have blocked new Ford
> plants in Mexico by threatening to impose a 35
> percent tax on vehicles and parts made in Mexico
> and shipped to the U.S. But only Congress can
> impose taxes and such a tax would violate the
> North American Free Trade Agreement.
Again speaking generally in the same way that Obama and everyone else says that they'll do or stop things.
>
> 5) Trump claimed the five Taliban leaders
> exchanged for Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl “are now back
> on the battlefield trying to kill us.” But all
> five remain in Qatar, where they continue to be
> monitored and are subject to a travel ban,
> according to the State Department.
>
They will be soon enough. The only reason that they aren't now is that Qatar extended the in country detention which was to end last month at the last minute.
> 6) He also made the misleading claim that health
> care premium costs are going “up 29, 39, 49 and
> even 55 percent.” He’s talking about some
> proposed rate increases on the individual market
> that still need regulatory approval. There are
> also proposed rate decreases or single-digit
> increases that did not have to be submitted for
> review.
>
> http://www.factcheck.org/2015/06/trump-tramples-fa
> cts/
Again generally right. The overall direction for rates is upward at significant levels since the government's back-stop for losses is ending and many if not most have been money-losers otherwise. Rates definitely are much higher and at that level or more for all of those who are not subsidized.
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> Real estate developer Donald Trump’s speech
> announcing he is running for the Republican
> nomination for president contained a number of
> false and misleading statements on the economy,
> trade, health care and terrorism:
>
> 1) Trump claimed that economic growth has
> “never” been below zero until last quarter’s
> drop, which is far from true. It has been below
> zero 42 times since 1946.
Correct. He was obviously wrong on that one.
>
> 2) He said “there are no jobs” to be had. In
> fact, there were 5.4 million job openings recorded
> at the end of April, the most in 15 years.
He was speaking more generally. Of course there are some jobs around. But hiring for full-time quality positions still is lower that most would like to see with a growing economy which we don't really have.
>
> 3) He said the “real” unemployment rate is
> “anywhere from 18 to 20 percent” and “maybe
> even 21 percent.” We see no factual basis for
> this opinion.
He's generally correct. The 'official' unemployment rate typically used does not reflect true unemployment and underemployment. It may not be that high but in double digits.
>
> 4) He boasted he would have blocked new Ford
> plants in Mexico by threatening to impose a 35
> percent tax on vehicles and parts made in Mexico
> and shipped to the U.S. But only Congress can
> impose taxes and such a tax would violate the
> North American Free Trade Agreement.
Again speaking generally in the same way that Obama and everyone else says that they'll do or stop things.
>
> 5) Trump claimed the five Taliban leaders
> exchanged for Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl “are now back
> on the battlefield trying to kill us.” But all
> five remain in Qatar, where they continue to be
> monitored and are subject to a travel ban,
> according to the State Department.
>
They will be soon enough. The only reason that they aren't now is that Qatar extended the in country detention which was to end last month at the last minute.
> 6) He also made the misleading claim that health
> care premium costs are going “up 29, 39, 49 and
> even 55 percent.” He’s talking about some
> proposed rate increases on the individual market
> that still need regulatory approval. There are
> also proposed rate decreases or single-digit
> increases that did not have to be submitted for
> review.
>
> http://www.factcheck.org/2015/06/trump-tramples-fa
> cts/
Again generally right. The overall direction for rates is upward at significant levels since the government's back-stop for losses is ending and many if not most have been money-losers otherwise. Rates definitely are much higher and at that level or more for all of those who are not subsidized.
Re: Trump Tramples Facts in 2016 Campaign Kick-Off Speech
Posted by:
wishbone Jones
()
Date: June 17, 2015 11:03AM
OP is a cock eating liberal. Probably Peekza.
Re: Trump Tramples Facts in 2016 Campaign Kick-Off Speech
Posted by:
Defender of Freedom and Liberty
()
Date: June 17, 2015 11:21AM
t777t Wrote:
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> Defender of Freedom and Liberty Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > 2) He said “there are no jobs” to be had.
> In
> > fact, there were 5.4 million job openings
> recorded
> > at the end of April, the most in 15 years.
>
> He was speaking more generally.
Generally speaking, saying “there are no jobs” when 5.4 million job openings are posted is flat-out wrong.
> > 3) He said the “real” unemployment rate is
> > “anywhere from 18 to 20 percent” and
> “maybe
> > even 21 percent.” We see no factual basis for
> > this opinion.
>
> He's generally correct.
Bullshit. Please provide the factual basis to support Trump's (and your) assertion.
> > 4) He boasted he would have blocked new Ford
> > plants in Mexico by threatening to impose a 35
> > percent tax on vehicles and parts made in
> Mexico
> > and shipped to the U.S. But only Congress can
> > impose taxes and such a tax would violate the
> > North American Free Trade Agreement.
>
> Again speaking generally in the same way that
> Obama and everyone else says that they'll do or
> stop things.
The truth is, Trump is barred by law from doing as he says. That makes him wrong.
> > 5) Trump claimed the five Taliban leaders
> > exchanged for Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl “are now
> back
> > on the battlefield trying to kill us.” But
> all
> > five remain in Qatar, where they continue to be
> > monitored and are subject to a travel ban,
> > according to the State Department.
> >
>
> They will be soon enough.
In truth, the five Taliban leaders exchanged for Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl aren't "back on the battlefield trying to kill us.” Trump is wrong again.
> > 6) He also made the misleading claim that
> health
> > care premium costs are going “up 29, 39, 49
> and
> > even 55 percent.” He’s talking about some
> > proposed rate increases on the individual
> market
> > that still need regulatory approval. There are
> > also proposed rate decreases or single-digit
> > increases that did not have to be submitted for
> > review.
> >
> http://www.factcheck.org/2015/06/trump-tramples-facts/
>
> Again generally right.
Nope. Trump's claim is misleading, period.
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> Defender of Freedom and Liberty Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > 2) He said “there are no jobs” to be had.
> In
> > fact, there were 5.4 million job openings
> recorded
> > at the end of April, the most in 15 years.
>
> He was speaking more generally.
Generally speaking, saying “there are no jobs” when 5.4 million job openings are posted is flat-out wrong.
> > 3) He said the “real” unemployment rate is
> > “anywhere from 18 to 20 percent” and
> “maybe
> > even 21 percent.” We see no factual basis for
> > this opinion.
>
> He's generally correct.
Bullshit. Please provide the factual basis to support Trump's (and your) assertion.
> > 4) He boasted he would have blocked new Ford
> > plants in Mexico by threatening to impose a 35
> > percent tax on vehicles and parts made in
> Mexico
> > and shipped to the U.S. But only Congress can
> > impose taxes and such a tax would violate the
> > North American Free Trade Agreement.
>
> Again speaking generally in the same way that
> Obama and everyone else says that they'll do or
> stop things.
The truth is, Trump is barred by law from doing as he says. That makes him wrong.
> > 5) Trump claimed the five Taliban leaders
> > exchanged for Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl “are now
> back
> > on the battlefield trying to kill us.” But
> all
> > five remain in Qatar, where they continue to be
> > monitored and are subject to a travel ban,
> > according to the State Department.
> >
>
> They will be soon enough.
In truth, the five Taliban leaders exchanged for Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl aren't "back on the battlefield trying to kill us.” Trump is wrong again.
> > 6) He also made the misleading claim that
> health
> > care premium costs are going “up 29, 39, 49
> and
> > even 55 percent.” He’s talking about some
> > proposed rate increases on the individual
> market
> > that still need regulatory approval. There are
> > also proposed rate decreases or single-digit
> > increases that did not have to be submitted for
> > review.
> >
> http://www.factcheck.org/2015/06/trump-tramples-facts/
>
> Again generally right.
Nope. Trump's claim is misleading, period.
Re: Trump Tramples Facts in 2016 Campaign Kick-Off Speech
Posted by:
Ralph Pootawn
()
Date: June 17, 2015 11:42AM
Defender of Freedom and Liberty Wrote:
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> t777t Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Defender of Freedom and Liberty Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > 2) He said “there are no jobs” to be
> had.
> > In
> > > fact, there were 5.4 million job openings
> > recorded
> > > at the end of April, the most in 15 years.
> >
> > He was speaking more generally.
>
> Generally speaking, saying “there are no jobs”
> when 5.4 million job openings are posted is
> flat-out wrong.
>
> > > 3) He said the “real” unemployment rate
> is
> > > “anywhere from 18 to 20 percent” and
> > “maybe
> > > even 21 percent.” We see no factual basis
> for
> > > this opinion.
> >
> > He's generally correct.
>
> Bullshit. Please provide the factual basis to
> support Trump's (and your) assertion.
>
> > > 4) He boasted he would have blocked new Ford
> > > plants in Mexico by threatening to impose a
> 35
> > > percent tax on vehicles and parts made in
> > Mexico
> > > and shipped to the U.S. But only Congress can
> > > impose taxes and such a tax would violate the
> > > North American Free Trade Agreement.
> >
> > Again speaking generally in the same way that
> > Obama and everyone else says that they'll do or
> > stop things.
>
> The truth is, Trump is barred by law from doing as
> he says. That makes him wrong.
>
> > > 5) Trump claimed the five Taliban leaders
> > > exchanged for Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl “are now
> > back
> > > on the battlefield trying to kill us.” But
> > all
> > > five remain in Qatar, where they continue to
> be
> > > monitored and are subject to a travel ban,
> > > according to the State Department.
> > >
> >
> > They will be soon enough.
>
> In truth, the five Taliban leaders exchanged for
> Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl aren't "back on the battlefield
> trying to kill us.” Trump is wrong again.
>
> > > 6) He also made the misleading claim that
> > health
> > > care premium costs are going “up 29, 39, 49
> > and
> > > even 55 percent.” He’s talking about some
> > > proposed rate increases on the individual
> > market
> > > that still need regulatory approval. There
> are
> > > also proposed rate decreases or single-digit
> > > increases that did not have to be submitted
> for
> > > review.
> > >
> >
> http://www.factcheck.org/2015/06/trump-tramples-fa
> cts/
> >
> > Again generally right.
>
> Nope. Trump's claim is misleading, period.
"If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor, period."
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> t777t Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Defender of Freedom and Liberty Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > 2) He said “there are no jobs” to be
> had.
> > In
> > > fact, there were 5.4 million job openings
> > recorded
> > > at the end of April, the most in 15 years.
> >
> > He was speaking more generally.
>
> Generally speaking, saying “there are no jobs”
> when 5.4 million job openings are posted is
> flat-out wrong.
>
> > > 3) He said the “real” unemployment rate
> is
> > > “anywhere from 18 to 20 percent” and
> > “maybe
> > > even 21 percent.” We see no factual basis
> for
> > > this opinion.
> >
> > He's generally correct.
>
> Bullshit. Please provide the factual basis to
> support Trump's (and your) assertion.
>
> > > 4) He boasted he would have blocked new Ford
> > > plants in Mexico by threatening to impose a
> 35
> > > percent tax on vehicles and parts made in
> > Mexico
> > > and shipped to the U.S. But only Congress can
> > > impose taxes and such a tax would violate the
> > > North American Free Trade Agreement.
> >
> > Again speaking generally in the same way that
> > Obama and everyone else says that they'll do or
> > stop things.
>
> The truth is, Trump is barred by law from doing as
> he says. That makes him wrong.
>
> > > 5) Trump claimed the five Taliban leaders
> > > exchanged for Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl “are now
> > back
> > > on the battlefield trying to kill us.” But
> > all
> > > five remain in Qatar, where they continue to
> be
> > > monitored and are subject to a travel ban,
> > > according to the State Department.
> > >
> >
> > They will be soon enough.
>
> In truth, the five Taliban leaders exchanged for
> Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl aren't "back on the battlefield
> trying to kill us.” Trump is wrong again.
>
> > > 6) He also made the misleading claim that
> > health
> > > care premium costs are going “up 29, 39, 49
> > and
> > > even 55 percent.” He’s talking about some
> > > proposed rate increases on the individual
> > market
> > > that still need regulatory approval. There
> are
> > > also proposed rate decreases or single-digit
> > > increases that did not have to be submitted
> for
> > > review.
> > >
> >
> http://www.factcheck.org/2015/06/trump-tramples-fa
> cts/
> >
> > Again generally right.
>
> Nope. Trump's claim is misleading, period.
"If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor, period."
Re: Trump Tramples Facts in 2016 Campaign Kick-Off Speech
Posted by:
Gerrymanderer2
()
Date: June 17, 2015 11:46AM
Trump is awesome. Love me some Trump. Go get em Trump!
Re: Trump Tramples Facts in 2016 Campaign Kick-Off Speech
Posted by:
Embarrassed for America
()
Date: June 17, 2015 11:57AM
Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> Trump is awesome. Love me some Trump. Go get em
> Trump!
That absurd self-congratulatory speech is really the best he can do? He's nothing but an obnoxious braggart with money. A Frankenstein created by our broken campaign finance laws.
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> Trump is awesome. Love me some Trump. Go get em
> Trump!
That absurd self-congratulatory speech is really the best he can do? He's nothing but an obnoxious braggart with money. A Frankenstein created by our broken campaign finance laws.
Re: Trump Tramples Facts in 2016 Campaign Kick-Off Speech
Posted by:
FcUhX
()
Date: June 17, 2015 12:08PM
Defender of Freedom and Liberty Wrote:
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> t777t Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Defender of Freedom and Liberty Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > 2) He said “there are no jobs” to be
> had.
> > In
> > > fact, there were 5.4 million job openings
> > recorded
> > > at the end of April, the most in 15 years.
> >
> > He was speaking more generally.
>
> Generally speaking, saying “there are no jobs”
> when 5.4 million job openings are posted is
> flat-out wrong.
Relative to +9 million looking for jobs, another 6.7 million unwillingly taking part-time jobs, and some 40% of the unemployed beyond that having given up looking at all, it's effectively no or not many good jobs vs to the number who need jobs.
>
> > > 3) He said the “real” unemployment rate
> is
> > > “anywhere from 18 to 20 percent” and
> > “maybe
> > > even 21 percent.” We see no factual basis
> for
> > > this opinion.
> >
> > He's generally correct.
>
> Bullshit. Please provide the factual basis to
> support Trump's (and your) assertion.
The official U6 number is ~11% so it is as I said in double digits. Add in those who have dropped out beyond the time they are included in the U6 number, workforce population growth and new entrants who never enter the market and aren't counted, and it's probably in the 16%-ish range.
And that's far from being just something that he's saying:
http://www.newsmax.com/Finance/StreetTalk/gallup-jobs-war-Unemployment-Rate/2015/06/09/id/649630/
>
> > > 4) He boasted he would have blocked new Ford
> > > plants in Mexico by threatening to impose a
> 35
> > > percent tax on vehicles and parts made in
> > Mexico
> > > and shipped to the U.S. But only Congress can
> > > impose taxes and such a tax would violate the
> > > North American Free Trade Agreement.
> >
> > Again speaking generally in the same way that
> > Obama and everyone else says that they'll do or
> > stop things.
>
> The truth is, Trump is barred by law from doing as
> he says. That makes him wrong.
As Obama and every other politician is "barred by law" from doing what they say that they want to do.
>
> > > 5) Trump claimed the five Taliban leaders
> > > exchanged for Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl “are now
> > back
> > > on the battlefield trying to kill us.” But
> > all
> > > five remain in Qatar, where they continue to
> be
> > > monitored and are subject to a travel ban,
> > > according to the State Department.
> > >
> >
> > They will be soon enough.
>
> In truth, the five Taliban leaders exchanged for
> Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl aren't "back on the battlefield
> trying to kill us.” Trump is wrong again.
>
Read again:
> They will be soon enough. The only reason that they
> aren't now is that Qatar extended the in country detention
> which was to end last month at the last minute.
> > > 6) He also made the misleading claim that
> > health
> > > care premium costs are going “up 29, 39, 49
> > and
> > > even 55 percent.” He’s talking about some
> > > proposed rate increases on the individual
> > market
> > > that still need regulatory approval. There
> are
> > > also proposed rate decreases or single-digit
> > > increases that did not have to be submitted
> for
> > > review.
> > >
> >
> http://www.factcheck.org/2015/06/trump-tramples-fa
> cts/
> >
> > Again generally right.
>
> Nope. Trump's claim is misleading, period.
Yep. The only reason that they've been able to hold rates lower and get insurers to agree to rates lower than their requested increases is because of the back-stop. Once that ends, then they'll either not be able to negotiate the artificially lower rates they've been able to through the regulatory process or the insurers just won't participate in that market. No reason to lose money on every policy sold and, no, they don't "make it up in volume."
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> t777t Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Defender of Freedom and Liberty Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > 2) He said “there are no jobs” to be
> had.
> > In
> > > fact, there were 5.4 million job openings
> > recorded
> > > at the end of April, the most in 15 years.
> >
> > He was speaking more generally.
>
> Generally speaking, saying “there are no jobs”
> when 5.4 million job openings are posted is
> flat-out wrong.
Relative to +9 million looking for jobs, another 6.7 million unwillingly taking part-time jobs, and some 40% of the unemployed beyond that having given up looking at all, it's effectively no or not many good jobs vs to the number who need jobs.
>
> > > 3) He said the “real” unemployment rate
> is
> > > “anywhere from 18 to 20 percent” and
> > “maybe
> > > even 21 percent.” We see no factual basis
> for
> > > this opinion.
> >
> > He's generally correct.
>
> Bullshit. Please provide the factual basis to
> support Trump's (and your) assertion.
The official U6 number is ~11% so it is as I said in double digits. Add in those who have dropped out beyond the time they are included in the U6 number, workforce population growth and new entrants who never enter the market and aren't counted, and it's probably in the 16%-ish range.
And that's far from being just something that he's saying:
http://www.newsmax.com/Finance/StreetTalk/gallup-jobs-war-Unemployment-Rate/2015/06/09/id/649630/
>
> > > 4) He boasted he would have blocked new Ford
> > > plants in Mexico by threatening to impose a
> 35
> > > percent tax on vehicles and parts made in
> > Mexico
> > > and shipped to the U.S. But only Congress can
> > > impose taxes and such a tax would violate the
> > > North American Free Trade Agreement.
> >
> > Again speaking generally in the same way that
> > Obama and everyone else says that they'll do or
> > stop things.
>
> The truth is, Trump is barred by law from doing as
> he says. That makes him wrong.
As Obama and every other politician is "barred by law" from doing what they say that they want to do.
>
> > > 5) Trump claimed the five Taliban leaders
> > > exchanged for Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl “are now
> > back
> > > on the battlefield trying to kill us.” But
> > all
> > > five remain in Qatar, where they continue to
> be
> > > monitored and are subject to a travel ban,
> > > according to the State Department.
> > >
> >
> > They will be soon enough.
>
> In truth, the five Taliban leaders exchanged for
> Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl aren't "back on the battlefield
> trying to kill us.” Trump is wrong again.
>
Read again:
> They will be soon enough. The only reason that they
> aren't now is that Qatar extended the in country detention
> which was to end last month at the last minute.
> > > 6) He also made the misleading claim that
> > health
> > > care premium costs are going “up 29, 39, 49
> > and
> > > even 55 percent.” He’s talking about some
> > > proposed rate increases on the individual
> > market
> > > that still need regulatory approval. There
> are
> > > also proposed rate decreases or single-digit
> > > increases that did not have to be submitted
> for
> > > review.
> > >
> >
> http://www.factcheck.org/2015/06/trump-tramples-fa
> cts/
> >
> > Again generally right.
>
> Nope. Trump's claim is misleading, period.
Yep. The only reason that they've been able to hold rates lower and get insurers to agree to rates lower than their requested increases is because of the back-stop. Once that ends, then they'll either not be able to negotiate the artificially lower rates they've been able to through the regulatory process or the insurers just won't participate in that market. No reason to lose money on every policy sold and, no, they don't "make it up in volume."
Re: Trump Tramples Facts in 2016 Campaign Kick-Off Speech
Posted by:
Fat~Bottom~Girl
()
Date: June 17, 2015 12:10PM
Embarrassed for America Wrote:
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> Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Trump is awesome. Love me some Trump. Go get em
> > Trump!
>
>
> That absurd self-congratulatory speech is really
> the best he can do? He's nothing but an obnoxious
> braggart with money. A Frankenstein created by
> our broken campaign finance laws.
+1
Spot on, my friend!
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> Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Trump is awesome. Love me some Trump. Go get em
> > Trump!
>
>
> That absurd self-congratulatory speech is really
> the best he can do? He's nothing but an obnoxious
> braggart with money. A Frankenstein created by
> our broken campaign finance laws.
+1
Spot on, my friend!
Re: Trump Tramples Facts in 2016 Campaign Kick-Off Speech
Posted by:
Gerrymanderer2
()
Date: June 17, 2015 12:25PM
He's the lead clown in the clown car. Trump is precious.
Re: Trump Tramples Facts in 2016 Campaign Kick-Off Speech
Posted by:
Defender of Freedom and Liberty
()
Date: June 17, 2015 12:48PM
FcUhX Wrote:
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> Defender of Freedom and Liberty Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Generally speaking, saying “there are no
> jobs”
> > when 5.4 million job openings are posted is
> > flat-out wrong.
>
> Relative to +9 million looking for jobs, another
> 6.7 million unwillingly taking part-time jobs, and
> some 40% of the unemployed beyond that having
> given up looking at all, it's effectively no or
> not many good jobs vs to the number who need
> jobs.
"Relative to...it's effectively..." Such nonsense.
Trump said; "there is no jobs” to be had. There are millions of jobs avaialble, an all-time high number in fact. Trump is simply wrong.
> > Bullshit. Please provide the factual basis to
> > support Trump's (and your) assertion.
>
> The official U6 number is ~11% so it is as I said
> in double digits.
Nowhere near Trump's claimed “real” unemployment rate of “anywhere from 18 to 20 percent” and “maybe even 21 percent.” Trump is simply wrong.
> Add in those who have dropped
> out beyond the time they are included in the U6
> number, workforce population growth and new
> entrants who never enter the market and aren't
> counted, and it's probably in the 16%-ish range.
But it isn't measured, so it is unknown.
> > The truth is, Trump is barred by law from doing
> as
> > he says. That makes him wrong.
>
> As Obama and every other politician is "barred by
> law" from doing what they say that they want to
> do.
Like what?
> > > > 5) Trump claimed the five Taliban leaders
> > > > exchanged for Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl “are now
> > > back
> > > > on the battlefield trying to kill us.”
> But
> > > all
> > > > five remain in Qatar, where they continue
> to
> > be
> > > > monitored and are subject to a travel ban,
> > > > according to the State Department.
> > >
> > > They will be soon enough.
> >
> > In truth, the five Taliban leaders exchanged
> for
> > Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl aren't "back on the
> battlefield
> > trying to kill us.” Trump is wrong again.
> >
>
> Read again:
>
> > They will be soon enough. The only reason that
> they
> > aren't now is that Qatar extended the in country
> detention
> > which was to end last month at the last minute.
I read what you wrote. Regardless the reason, they aren't now "back on the battlefield trying to kill us”. Trump is wrong.
> > > > 6) He also made the misleading claim that
> > > health
> > > > care premium costs are going “up 29, 39,
> 49
> > > and
> > > > even 55 percent.” He’s talking about
> some
> > > > proposed rate increases on the individual
> > > market
> > > > that still need regulatory approval. There
> > are
> > > > also proposed rate decreases or
> single-digit
> > > > increases that did not have to be submitted
> > for
> > > > review.
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.factcheck.org/2015/06/trump-tramples-fa
>
> > cts/
> > >
> > > Again generally right.
> >
> > Nope. Trump's claim is misleading, period.
>
> Yep. The only reason that they've been able to
> hold rates lower and get insurers to agree to
> rates lower than their requested increases is
> because of the back-stop. Once that ends, then
> they'll either not be able to negotiate the
> artificially lower rates they've been able to
> through the regulatory process or the insurers
> just won't participate in that market. No reason
> to lose money on every policy sold and, no, they
Again, the reason doesn't matter. Today, Trump is wrong.
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> Defender of Freedom and Liberty Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Generally speaking, saying “there are no
> jobs”
> > when 5.4 million job openings are posted is
> > flat-out wrong.
>
> Relative to +9 million looking for jobs, another
> 6.7 million unwillingly taking part-time jobs, and
> some 40% of the unemployed beyond that having
> given up looking at all, it's effectively no or
> not many good jobs vs to the number who need
> jobs.
"Relative to...it's effectively..." Such nonsense.
Trump said; "there is no jobs” to be had. There are millions of jobs avaialble, an all-time high number in fact. Trump is simply wrong.
> > Bullshit. Please provide the factual basis to
> > support Trump's (and your) assertion.
>
> The official U6 number is ~11% so it is as I said
> in double digits.
Nowhere near Trump's claimed “real” unemployment rate of “anywhere from 18 to 20 percent” and “maybe even 21 percent.” Trump is simply wrong.
> Add in those who have dropped
> out beyond the time they are included in the U6
> number, workforce population growth and new
> entrants who never enter the market and aren't
> counted, and it's probably in the 16%-ish range.
But it isn't measured, so it is unknown.
> > The truth is, Trump is barred by law from doing
> as
> > he says. That makes him wrong.
>
> As Obama and every other politician is "barred by
> law" from doing what they say that they want to
> do.
Like what?
> > > > 5) Trump claimed the five Taliban leaders
> > > > exchanged for Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl “are now
> > > back
> > > > on the battlefield trying to kill us.”
> But
> > > all
> > > > five remain in Qatar, where they continue
> to
> > be
> > > > monitored and are subject to a travel ban,
> > > > according to the State Department.
> > >
> > > They will be soon enough.
> >
> > In truth, the five Taliban leaders exchanged
> for
> > Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl aren't "back on the
> battlefield
> > trying to kill us.” Trump is wrong again.
> >
>
> Read again:
>
> > They will be soon enough. The only reason that
> they
> > aren't now is that Qatar extended the in country
> detention
> > which was to end last month at the last minute.
I read what you wrote. Regardless the reason, they aren't now "back on the battlefield trying to kill us”. Trump is wrong.
> > > > 6) He also made the misleading claim that
> > > health
> > > > care premium costs are going “up 29, 39,
> 49
> > > and
> > > > even 55 percent.” He’s talking about
> some
> > > > proposed rate increases on the individual
> > > market
> > > > that still need regulatory approval. There
> > are
> > > > also proposed rate decreases or
> single-digit
> > > > increases that did not have to be submitted
> > for
> > > > review.
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.factcheck.org/2015/06/trump-tramples-fa
>
> > cts/
> > >
> > > Again generally right.
> >
> > Nope. Trump's claim is misleading, period.
>
> Yep. The only reason that they've been able to
> hold rates lower and get insurers to agree to
> rates lower than their requested increases is
> because of the back-stop. Once that ends, then
> they'll either not be able to negotiate the
> artificially lower rates they've been able to
> through the regulatory process or the insurers
> just won't participate in that market. No reason
> to lose money on every policy sold and, no, they
Again, the reason doesn't matter. Today, Trump is wrong.
Re: Trump Tramples Facts in 2016 Campaign Kick-Off Speech
Posted by:
Fat~Bottom~Girl
()
Date: June 17, 2015 12:52PM
Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> He's the lead clown in the clown car. Trump is
> precious.
Still a dot-headed faggot Gerbear.
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> He's the lead clown in the clown car. Trump is
> precious.
Still a dot-headed faggot Gerbear.
Re: Trump Tramples Facts in 2016 Campaign Kick-Off Speech
Posted by:
Fat~Bottom~Girl
()
Date: June 17, 2015 12:55PM
Love ya, GerBear!
Some jealous panty-sniffer is trying to hijack my indentity.
Give 'em whatfore!
Some jealous panty-sniffer is trying to hijack my indentity.
Give 'em whatfore!
Re: Trump Tramples Facts in 2016 Campaign Kick-Off Speech
Posted by:
Fat~Bottom~Girl
()
Date: June 17, 2015 01:18PM
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Re: Trump Tramples Facts in 2016 Campaign Kick-Off Speech
Posted by:
Fat~Bottom~Girl
()
Date: June 17, 2015 01:22PM
Deal with it fatass.
It's not your name till you register it.
And you can't register this one.
I am warmed by the glow of your butthurt.
It's not your name till you register it.
And you can't register this one.
I am warmed by the glow of your butthurt.
Re: Trump Tramples Facts in 2016 Campaign Kick-Off Speech
Posted by:
Fat~Bottom~Girl
()
Date: June 17, 2015 01:32PM
Fat~Bottom~Girl Wrote:
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> It's not your name till you register it.
>
> And you can't register this one.
Look, it's a genius! lol.
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, so do whatever lameness you want under my name.
It's not as though my legion of fans won't notice the difference.
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> It's not your name till you register it.
>
> And you can't register this one.
Look, it's a genius! lol.
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, so do whatever lameness you want under my name.
It's not as though my legion of fans won't notice the difference.
Re: Trump Tramples Facts in 2016 Campaign Kick-Off Speech
Posted by:
Fat~Bottom~Girl
()
Date: June 17, 2015 01:59PM
Fat~Bottom~Girl Wrote:
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> Fat~Bottom~Girl Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > It's not your name till you register it.
> >
> > And you can't register this one.
>
> Look, it's a genius! lol.
>
> Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, so do
> whatever lameness you want under my name.
>
> It's not as though my legion of fans won't notice
> the difference.
legion of fans
Now THAT is funny.
Your butthurt makes it even funnier.
And we're laughing at you, not with you. Brawhahahahahahahahahahahaha....
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> Fat~Bottom~Girl Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > It's not your name till you register it.
> >
> > And you can't register this one.
>
> Look, it's a genius! lol.
>
> Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, so do
> whatever lameness you want under my name.
>
> It's not as though my legion of fans won't notice
> the difference.
legion of fans
Now THAT is funny.
Your butthurt makes it even funnier.
And we're laughing at you, not with you. Brawhahahahahahahahahahahaha....
Re: Trump Tramples Facts in 2016 Campaign Kick-Off Speech
Posted by:
Gerrymanderer2
()
Date: June 17, 2015 02:00PM
He's got a crush on you FBG. He's also heartbroken that your spoken for by the liberal lion.
Re: Trump Tramples Facts in 2016 Campaign Kick-Off Speech
Posted by:
Fat~Bottom~Girl
()
Date: June 17, 2015 02:04PM
Yea, GerBear!
You know, jealousy is such an ugly emotion.
My imitator is hideous!
You know, jealousy is such an ugly emotion.
My imitator is hideous!
Re: Trump Tramples Facts in 2016 Campaign Kick-Off Speech
Posted by:
LFyCj
()
Date: June 17, 2015 06:08PM
only someone benefitting from political insider wealth, the politically "middle class" - BENEFITTING FROM $9 trillion of obama.gov earmarked spending on paying immigrants to mass up and outvote the true denizens of the country for a hostile take-over ...
would pick hillary over trump
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paying a group taxes to outnumber legitimate denizens, with motive of taking their seat in the world in exchange for votes
extremely illegal. the constitution forbids indirect taxation spending but MORESO deals with foreign countries against the denizens interests - which is exactly what that is. democrats are doing what is known as financial human trafficing - to prop up a counterfeiting ring - and democrats in other countries (europe) are helping them so they in their country can continue to deadlock money printing and "policy of who gets it" using their parliaments.
handing illegals aid (ie, foodstamps) to vote - illegal.
giving illegals (green cards) high paying gov jobs and allowing illegals to control wealthy / authoritive positions in gov for a some hot cash: illegal
there was nothing legal about it, Amercians complained the minute it started - and democrats have evaded legal suits a long time
ANOTHER matter democrats have evaded is the evolution of "government unions control colleges and certifications". to the extent ie "Hazel Construction company", or Truland Electric, is not allowed to train and certify employees
that makes a big difference because gov cheats and spends tons of money on phony materials (teaching loads of shit not needed on the job). gov has designed a school system to keep people coming back, to keep people answering fruitless book questions fucking forever and a day: the motive is clear. the gov employees profit heavily from forcing America to use their "service" instead of google and or an employer who's interest is to get the job done right, quick, at cost.
good companies (and in private sector a person can choose, in gov: no choice) are known to pay employees with a motive that "workers with no money can't spend or buy"
bad government sends your jobs and tax money over seas and uses it for import luxuries. they complain private industry is responsible.
bad government puts a gun to your head (police state) whenever they don't get what they want
good American business (say, a Casino) asks you to come back again - but doesn't force you
-----------------------
let's ask trump how many American jobs he sent over sea v. how many he created here, in the USA. infact i'd bet trump can complain the IRS has tried to force some of his business to go overseas using fony policies and newly baked laws from a foreigner run commerce dept.
I'm betting Trump has as good a report card to show when we grade on America.
would pick hillary over trump
---------------------------
paying a group taxes to outnumber legitimate denizens, with motive of taking their seat in the world in exchange for votes
extremely illegal. the constitution forbids indirect taxation spending but MORESO deals with foreign countries against the denizens interests - which is exactly what that is. democrats are doing what is known as financial human trafficing - to prop up a counterfeiting ring - and democrats in other countries (europe) are helping them so they in their country can continue to deadlock money printing and "policy of who gets it" using their parliaments.
handing illegals aid (ie, foodstamps) to vote - illegal.
giving illegals (green cards) high paying gov jobs and allowing illegals to control wealthy / authoritive positions in gov for a some hot cash: illegal
there was nothing legal about it, Amercians complained the minute it started - and democrats have evaded legal suits a long time
ANOTHER matter democrats have evaded is the evolution of "government unions control colleges and certifications". to the extent ie "Hazel Construction company", or Truland Electric, is not allowed to train and certify employees
that makes a big difference because gov cheats and spends tons of money on phony materials (teaching loads of shit not needed on the job). gov has designed a school system to keep people coming back, to keep people answering fruitless book questions fucking forever and a day: the motive is clear. the gov employees profit heavily from forcing America to use their "service" instead of google and or an employer who's interest is to get the job done right, quick, at cost.
good companies (and in private sector a person can choose, in gov: no choice) are known to pay employees with a motive that "workers with no money can't spend or buy"
bad government sends your jobs and tax money over seas and uses it for import luxuries. they complain private industry is responsible.
bad government puts a gun to your head (police state) whenever they don't get what they want
good American business (say, a Casino) asks you to come back again - but doesn't force you
-----------------------
let's ask trump how many American jobs he sent over sea v. how many he created here, in the USA. infact i'd bet trump can complain the IRS has tried to force some of his business to go overseas using fony policies and newly baked laws from a foreigner run commerce dept.
I'm betting Trump has as good a report card to show when we grade on America.
Re: Trump Tramples Facts in 2016 Campaign Kick-Off Speech
Posted by:
DXmEv
()
Date: June 17, 2015 06:11PM
please come back again and we love loyal customers
my places are available for rent to private business certification courses if your local schools have no night class spaces left this season
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my places are available for rent to private business certification courses if your local schools have no night class spaces left this season
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Re: Trump Tramples Facts in 2016 Campaign Kick-Off Speech
Posted by:
TCpv9
()
Date: June 17, 2015 06:19PM
government run college: take our certification program ...
it's the only one approved by the HUNDREDS of National teachers academics and boards associations in DC
take it or we'll hunt you down, fine you until you loose your house, unless your an illegal worker working for a politian owned job
it's the only one approved by the HUNDREDS of National teachers academics and boards associations in DC
take it or we'll hunt you down, fine you until you loose your house, unless your an illegal worker working for a politian owned job
Re: Trump Tramples Facts in 2016 Campaign Kick-Off Speech
Posted by:
Bud Hoal...
()
Date: June 17, 2015 06:21PM
How do you trust a guy who lives each day as a lie...through his hair?