C.I.A. interrogators used waterboarding, the near-drowning technique that top Obama administration officials have described as illegal torture, 266 times on two key prisoners from Al Qaeda, far more than had been previously reported.

The C.I.A. officers used waterboarding at least 83 times in August 2002 against Abu Zubaydah, according to a 2005 Justice Department legal memorandum. Abu Zubaydah has been described as a Qaeda operative.

A former C.I.A. officer, John Kiriakou, told ABC News and other news media organizations in 2007 that Abu Zubaydah had undergone waterboarding for only 35 seconds before agreeing to tell everything he knew.


So if he told "everything he knew" after the first water boarding, why did they need to do it 82 more times?

WashingTone Locian Wrote:
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> So if he told "everything he knew" after the first
> water boarding, why did they need to do it 82 more
> times?

Duh! To make sure he was telling the truth the first time! It's like you've never interrogated anyone before. You can't be certain the first 82 times, but if their story doesn't change by the 83rd, you can be pretty sure it's accurate.

WashingTone Locian Wrote:
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> So if he told "everything he knew" after the first
> water boarding, why did they need to do it 82 more
> times?

Because it's fun.

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xVwEM Wrote:
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> Duh! To make sure he was telling the truth the
> first time! It's like you've never interrogated
> anyone before. You can't be certain the first 82
> times, but if their story doesn't change by the
> 83rd, you can be pretty sure it's accurate.


LOL...personally, I like to waterboard in numbers divisible by 12...a GROSS of waterboards has a nice ring to it, doncha think?

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I have had to change the addresses to my retaliatory blogs over half a dozen times.

I wonder how effective long-term waterboarding really is. I mean, I'm sure the first time is really scary. And by the 3rd or 4th time it still is pretty horrible, but not really as scary as the first time. But after a few dozen waterboardings, I bet it's probably more like "christ, not this shit again".

TheMeeper Wrote:
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> I wonder how effective long-term waterboarding
> really is. I mean, I'm sure the first time is
> really scary. And by the 3rd or 4th time it still
> is pretty horrible, but not really as scary as the
> first time. But after a few dozen waterboardings,
> I bet it's probably more like "christ, not this
> shit again".


It seems to me that once you figure out they aren't going to drown you, it doesn't really do shit, except make Dick Cheney happy. Probably by the 10th time the thugs were like, "at least it beats sitting around the cell."

But mentioning how many times it's been done is a risk to national security. Just ask Michael Hayden.

Please waterboard me.
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Hayden just got hired by Michael Certoff's security consulting firm, he's gotta drum up business somehow.


formerhick76 Wrote:
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> But mentioning how many times it's been done is a
> risk to national security. Just ask Michael
> Hayden.

formerhick76 Wrote:
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> But mentioning how many times it's been done is a
> risk to national security. Just ask Michael
> Hayden.


It's actually a risk to "his" security. Namely, his future freedom.

TheMeeper Wrote:
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> Hayden just got hired by Michael Certoff's
> security consulting firm, he's gotta drum up
> business somehow.
>
>
> formerhick76 Wrote:
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> > But mentioning how many times it's been done is
> a
> > risk to national security. Just ask Michael
> > Hayden.


The fact that the principals of the security firm you hired might be indicted any day won't be good for business.

TheMeeper Wrote:
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> I wonder how effective long-term waterboarding
> really is. I mean, I'm sure the first time is
> really scary. And by the 3rd or 4th time it still
> is pretty horrible, but not really as scary as the
> first time. But after a few dozen waterboardings,
> I bet it's probably more like "christ, not this
> shit again".

It looks like Cheney has asked that the memos from the CIA side detailing what in fact they did get be declassified so we may get answers to that. Might as well be envenhanded and release any "benefits" from the action so people can properly gauge whether the technique's ends justified the means.

Wow. What a patriot.

My hat goes off to Dick Cheney for helping us in our time of need.



conVince Wrote:
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> It looks like Cheney has asked that the memos from
> the CIA side detailing what in fact they did get
> be declassified so we may get answers to that.
> Might as well be envenhanded and release any
> "benefits" from the action so people can properly
> gauge whether the technique's ends justified the
> means.

TheMeeper Wrote:
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> I wonder how effective long-term waterboarding
> really is. I mean, I'm sure the first time is
> really scary. And by the 3rd or 4th time it still
> is pretty horrible, but not really as scary as the
> first time. But after a few dozen waterboardings,
> I bet it's probably more like "christ, not this
> shit again".


I am all for the waterboarding. Because as we all know, simulated drowning worked very well in catching all those witchers in the 16th. Century.

conVince Wrote:
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> It looks like Cheney has asked that the memos from
> the CIA side detailing what in fact they did get
> be declassified so we may get answers to that.
> Might as well be envenhanded and release any
> "benefits" from the action so people can properly
> gauge whether the technique's ends justified the
> means.


Actually, the memos Cheney wants to declassify are 8 pages that he kept in the VP's office. He doesn't even want to declassify all of the pages associated with those 8 pages.

I have a question for you torture supporters. If water boarding was so damn effective, why was the Bush Administration unable to stop the train bombings in London and Spain?



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Im afraid "the means justified the ends"..is not a defense in court...neither is ignorance of the law.

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Im afraid "the means justified the ends"..is not a
> defense in court.



you are quite the genius.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

Accountablity is important here, because the world is watching. We need to show that our laws are not there just to be broken, especially by those who feel they are above the law.

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Alias Wrote:

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> Are you Vince in a costume?

Are you Gravis in costume? Me thinks so. :)

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How odd Alias, Cary threatened to reveal your identity, many here want to know who you are an "alias" for.

You know those proxy sites you use are riddled with malware...even your precious linux can be affected. :)

Alias buster Wrote:
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> even your precious linux can be affected. :)

wrong.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

Two words: Root privileges. :)

I can has netlink messages to udev?
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Alias buster Wrote:
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> I can has netlink messages to udev?

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SecurityTracker.c
A local user can send NETLINK messages to gain root privileges on the target system.

The vulnerability resides in 'udev/lib/libudev-monitor.c'.

no exploit was ever made but guess what, there is a list of torjans/viruses/worms for linux, all 35 of them, all before 2008: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_computer_viruses

the total number of infected systems is less than 1000.

guess what?


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

Two more words: Integer overflows. :)

Whitegrayblack hat Wrote:
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> Two more words: Integer overflows. :)

umm... do you mean buffer overflow? causing an int to wrap around is not going to get you arbitrary execution abilities nor will it get your elevated privileges. there is still the matter of a delivery method as well. as a programmer, i know about this shit, so dont try to bullshit me.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

The issue here is that the Bush administration was lying to the US people and clearly knew these practices were illegal. That's why they conducted the torture away from the US main land on a sealed military base.

This type of treatment is close to Nazism.

Gravis Wrote:
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> umm... do you mean buffer overflow?

Buffer overflow, interger overflows, you say tomatoe I say tomata



#include
#include

void main(int argc, char *argv[]) {
int i = atoi(argv[1]); // input from user
unsigned short s = i; // truncate to a short
char buf[50]; // large buffer

if (s > 10) { // check we're not greater than 10
return;
}

memcpy(buf, argv[2], i); // copy i bytes to the buffer
buf = '\0'; // add a null byte to the buffer
printf("%s\n", buf); // output the buffer contents

return;
}

[root /tmp]# ./inttest 65580 foobar
Segmentation fault

Interger overflow advisory.....17 April 2009! Argh!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.debian.org/security/2009/dsa-1773
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Whitegrayblack hat Wrote:
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> Gravis Wrote:
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> > umm... do you mean buffer overflow?
>
> Buffer overflow, interger overflows, you say
> tomatoe I say tomata

wrong, douchebag, they are completely different things.


> # ./inttest 65580 foobar
> Segmentation fault

lol. segmentation fault doesnt mean you have achieved anything, it means that your program is fucked and linux will clean up after it, memory leaks and all.


Whitegrayblack hat Wrote:
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> Interger overflow advisory.....17 April 2009!
> Argh!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> http://www.debian.org/security/2009/dsa-1773

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An integer overflow flaw, leading to a heap-based buffer overflow, was discovered in the Tagged Image File Format (TIFF) decoding routines used by the CUPS image-converting filters

i do this for a living and you dont know shit.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
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