Broward County is setting recommended limits on homework...

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/community/news/fort_lauderdale/sfl-flbhomework0219sbfeb19,0,5805379.story

I agree with this policy. While homework is good preparation for study habits needed for college, academically speaking homework itself does NOTHING for performance in school. I have worked with many high-level educators involved in testing and assessment and they say that assigning more or less homework has NO impact on academic performance.

Time for a change.

You have officially been appointed the leader of the new Fairfax County T&A task force. (Get you mind out of the gutter - Timely & Appropriate)

Maybe it keeps some teenagers out of trouble.

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Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Maybe it keeps some teenagers out of trouble.

Doubtful. If the teen is prone to get in trouble, it's not likely he or she would choose homework over the activity that gets them in trouble.

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> "I have worked with many high-level educators
> involved in testing and assessment and they say
> that assigning more or less homework has NO impact
> on academic performance."
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> Your attempt at making a valid point got lost in
> your narcissism / bullshit.


I have worked with the National Center for Education Statistics (NCES). I bring it up to show that I'm not pulling this out of my ass, dumbfuck.

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> Your attempt at making a valid point got lost in
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By the way. I'm not sure how it can be "narcissistic" when I am using an "Alias." Fuckwad.

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> > Maybe it keeps some teenagers out of trouble.
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> Doubtful. If the teen is prone to get in trouble,
> it's not likely he or she would choose homework
> over the activity that gets them in trouble.

Idleness is the devil's workshop. If a teen is prone not to get into trouble...having more time on his/her hands isnt going to reinforce that behavior.

Instead of worring about to much homework, how about to much after school stuff?
sports,music lessons, karate, work, tv, video games,chores around the house?

Fairfax already has limits in place.

On average, daily homework across disciplines should not exceed:

Grade Level Time

Primary (Grades 1-2) .5 hour
Upper Elementary (Grades 3-6) 1 hour
Middle School Level (Grades 7-8) 1.5 hours (30 minutes per core subject)
High School (Grades 9 - 12) 2 hours *

* The amount of homework may be greater for students enrolled in GT, AP or IB classes.

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Alias Wrote:
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> I REALLY like the homework which requires parental
> involvement.


I like the homework that the teacher gives saying that he or she will explain it better when the kids bring it back in the next day. I really love that.

Alias Wrote:
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> I REALLY like the homework which requires parental
> involvement.

Im not sure if you are serious...but homework is another reason for interaction with your kids (or should be)...and despite what a pain it may be at the time...it should be quality time.

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> > I REALLY like the homework which requires
> parental
> > involvement.
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> Im not sure if you are serious...but homework is
> another reason for interaction with your kids (or
> should be)...and despite what a pain it may be at
> the time...it should be quality time.


Do you have kids Vince? It's an interaction, but not a quality one.

WashingToneLocian Wrote:
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> > parental
> > > involvement.
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> > Im not sure if you are serious...but homework
> is
> > another reason for interaction with your kids
> (or
> > should be)...and despite what a pain it may be
> at
> > the time...it should be quality time.
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> Do you have kids Vince? It's an interaction, but
> not a quality one.


My kids are grown...and looking back...it was quality time. Any interaction when a parent can or should demonstrate/enforce good values is quality time..even when difficult. Not every moment in life is supposed to be fun...that doesnt make it non-quality time. My kids were swimmers...my wife and I woke up early..weekdays..weekends....it wasnt all pleasant....but it was all quality. I think homework...like swimming can be an opportunity for parents and children to share an experience that isnt pleasant...but important. I wouldnt change a thing.



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Vince(1) Wrote:
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> > Do you have kids Vince? It's an interaction,
> but
> > not a quality one.
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> My kids are grown...and looking back...it was
> quality time. Any interaction when a parent can
> or should demonstrate/enforce good values is
> quality time..even when difficult. Not every
> moment in life is supposed to be fun...that doesnt
> make it non-quality time. My kids were
> swimmers...my wife and I woke up
> early..weekdays..weekends....it wasnt all
> pleasant....but it was all quality. I think
> homework...like swimming can be an opportunity for
> parents and children to share an experience that
> isnt pleasant...but important. I wouldnt change a
> thing.



My point is if the teachers spent adequate time explaining the work, it would be a better experience for kids and parents. I get tired of teachers assigning things without explaining the lesson first and then having a kid who hates school because of it.

Listen to yourselves! You want to LIMIT homework, while other countries are making school more rigorous? Do you think Chinese or Korean parents want to "limit homework?" WTF! We stand no chance with this slacker mentality. We will be overrun by harder working, smarter, and more conditioned workers and the Americans will the lazy "n*ggers" of the world. We should INCREASE homework to make our students more competitive in the workplace. We should start by teaching them Chinese, because at this rate, it will be a valuable skill to have.

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Maybe it keeps some teenagers out of trouble.

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Idleness is the devil's workshop. If a teen is
> prone not to get into trouble...having more time
> on his/her hands isnt going to reinforce that
> behavior.

you have no idea what you are talking about. sometimes i think you may be schizophrenic because of how detached you are from reality.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

Gravis...do we still have a date this Wednesday?

sk8ter bOI Wrote:
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> Listen to yourselves! You want to LIMIT homework,
> while other countries are making school more
> rigorous? Do you think Chinese or Korean parents
> want to "limit homework?" WTF! We stand no chance
> with this slacker mentality. We will be overrun by
> harder working, smarter, and more conditioned
> workers and the Americans will the lazy "n*ggers"
> of the world. We should INCREASE homework to make
> our students more competitive in the workplace. We
> should start by teaching them Chinese, because at
> this rate, it will be a valuable skill to have.

well..that's one solution..the other is to allow all those well educated kids immigrate to this country...that's basically what we've been doing for the last 50 years.

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Gravis...do we still have a date this Wednesday?


Y'all gonna fight? I wanna watch that.

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> Y'all gonna fight? I wanna watch that.


Noooo...Gravis and I meet every other Wednesday for a mutual jo session....it's amazing to see him hit a taget at 50 paces.

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Noooo...Gravis and I meet every other Wednesday
> for a mutual jo session....it's amazing to see him
> hit a taget at 50 paces.

Ah. In that case, I'll pass haha...

Vince, nobody wants to hear about your fantasies.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
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sk8ter bOI Wrote:
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> Listen to yourselves! You want to LIMIT homework,
> while other countries are making school more
> rigorous? Do you think Chinese or Korean parents
> want to "limit homework?" WTF! We stand no chance
> with this slacker mentality. We will be overrun by
> harder working, smarter, and more conditioned
> workers and the Americans will the lazy "n*ggers"
> of the world. We should INCREASE homework to make
> our students more competitive in the workplace. We
> should start by teaching them Chinese, because at
> this rate, it will be a valuable skill to have.

As I said, there is no correlation between homework and academic success.

The reason the Japanese, French and Indians are beating us academically isn't because of the homework. It's because we don't have teachers who are qualified to teach subjects like Algebra, Trig, Calculus and Physics. People with those skill sets in the United States work in private industry, not public education. That's why when my kid comes home with his homework he doesn't understand half the pre-Algebra homework he is given because his teacher is qualified to work at a Best Buy.

WashingTone Locian Wrote:
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> I agree with this policy. While homework is good
> preparation for study habits needed for college,
> academically speaking homework itself does NOTHING
> for performance in school. I have worked with many
> high-level educators involved in testing and
> assessment and they say that assigning more or
> less homework has NO impact on academic
> performance.

Yeah... Riiiight. Homework does nothing for performance in school. Studying and homework are the same thing. To finish the homework you have to understand the material. To understand the material you have to study.

The belief that homework does nothing for performance in school is probably contributing to lower public school standards and more idiot employees who can get a job at NCES.

boredom Wrote:
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> Yeah... Riiiight. Homework does nothing for
> performance in school. Studying and homework are
> the same thing. To finish the homework you have
> to understand the material. To understand the
> material you have to study.
>

The way homework is assigned now, no, it doesn't. That's because teachers don't spend time in the classroom teaching. They spend time on bullshit and then expect kids to learn this stuff on their own at home through homework. That means most kids who have parents who aren't educated enough to teach their kids end up failing at school.


> The belief that homework does nothing for
> performance in school is probably contributing to
> lower public school standards and more idiot
> employees who can get a job at NCES.


Like I said, it helps with study habits. But it doesn't significantly improve academic performance.

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> Vince, nobody wants to hear about your fantasies.


mmmmm..you never looked better Gravis! I cant wait!

WashingTone Locian Wrote:
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> The reason the Japanese, French and Indians are
> beating us academically isn't because of the
> homework. It's because we don't have teachers who
> are qualified to teach subjects like Algebra,
> Trig, Calculus and Physics. People with those
> skill sets in the United States work in private
> industry, not public education. That's why when my
> kid comes home with his homework he doesn't
> understand half the pre-Algebra homework he is
> given because his teacher is qualified to work at
> a Best Buy.


Well it seems to me we have a which came first issue here. The root cause of the problem you are discussing isnt homework..it's the quality of teachers. Unqualified teachers assigning homework that they themselves have not mastered is of no use. Of course the problem isnt the homework..it's the teacher. The quality of teachers issue is just a matter of money. You get what you pay for! The typical comment on here suggests we think teachers get paid too much as it is. Those comments..like most opinions/comments on here are short sited and more destructive then constructive.

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WashingTone Locian Wrote:
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> The way homework is assigned now, no, it doesn't.
> That's because teachers don't spend time in the
> classroom teaching. They spend time on bullshit
> and then expect kids to learn this stuff on their
> own at home through homework. That means most kids
> who have parents who aren't educated enough to
> teach their kids end up failing at school.

Homework is not the problem. Poorly designed homework assignments and a lower quality of classroom instruction are the problems.

But, hey, junk science is popular these days. Go ahead and believe studies that claim something is bad yet fail to include the due diligence required to actually soundly back up their claims.

boredom Wrote:

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> Homework is not the problem. Poorly designed
> homework assignments and a lower quality of
> classroom instruction are the problems.

Very true. Most of the time, the assignments I had to complete were just busy work. I didn't gain anything whatsoever, it was more of something for the teacher to put in the grade book.

I know when I was considering trying drugs as a kid, I stopped dead in my tracks when I remembered the homework

Same here. Me and my friends were out one night back in my high school days, just doing the usual. You know, hanging out in a dark alley, playing around with rusty knives, the usual. This dude walks by and my buddies were like, "Let's rob that guy and stab him to death with our rusty knives and hide his body in this dark alleyway. Then, let us use the money to purchase illegal drugs."

I was all, "guys, don't we have our English papers to finish? Surely, that would be much more enjoyable and stimulating than committing crimes and spreading misery."

We all would have gotten A's on our papers, but our school was on a 6 point grading scale.

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boredom Wrote:
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> Homework is not the problem. Poorly designed
> homework assignments and a lower quality of
> classroom instruction are the problems.
>
> But, hey, junk science is popular these days. Go
> ahead and believe studies that claim something is
> bad yet fail to include the due diligence required
> to actually soundly back up their claims.


Homework is the problem because teachers and administrators think they can procrastinate in the classroom and send this shit home and that will take care of things. The kids having the most problems academically are the ones who don't have parents at home who are capable of helping them.


As for "junk science," there appears to be a lot of "junk scientists" out there backing up what I am saying...

http://www.centerforpubliceducation.org/site/c.kjJXJ5MPIwE/b.2466963/k.D3DF/Key_lessons_What_research_says_about_the_value_of_homework.htm

I think students should have as much exposure to homework as possible.

WashingTone Locian Wrote:
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> Homework is the problem because teachers and
> administrators think they can procrastinate in the
> classroom and send this shit home and that will
> take care of things. The kids having the most
> problems academically are the ones who don't have
> parents at home who are capable of helping them.

So.. You're saying that homework is the problem because the teachers and administrators aren't doing their jobs? Good logic. Thanks for reinforcing what I said about junk science. =P

You failed everything didn't you.

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