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Virginia DMV tells ride-sharing companies Uber and Lyft to cease-and-desist
Posted by:
no go
()
Date: June 06, 2014 05:30PM
On Thursday, the Virginia DMV sent cease-and-desist letters to ride-sharing companies Uber and Lyft, asserting that their services are illegal in the Commonwealth, according to the Hampton Virginia-Pilot.
DMV Commissioner Richard Holcombe also "strongly" suggested the companies "focus their resources on participating in the state's study 'rather than continue illegal operations in the meantime.'"
The companies primarily operate in the Hampton Roads area and Northern Virginia. Their services allow consumers to use their smartphones to book rides with independent operators, who are rated by past customers. This author's experience finds the service faster, more convenient, affordable and safer than regular taxi service.
Like many technology-driven developments, however, the law has not kept pace with changes in the marketplace.
VA officials actually acknowledge the benefits from services like Uber and Lyft. "I actually like their business model in terms of giving more flexibility to the public," VA Secretary of Transportation Aubrey Lynne said. "but there are some issues they need to work on and some laws that we need to change."
Uber, in a statement to the press, said the DMV cease order was "shocking and unexpected," as the company had already been in contact with state officials about necessary changes to the law.
It is unclear whether the companies will comply with the DMV order, although the agency has threatened individual drivers with fines of $1,000 for every ride they complete. At the time of this article, Uber had 6 black sedans and a larger number of lower-priced cars available to pick up this author within 7 minutes.
DMV Commissioner Richard Holcombe also "strongly" suggested the companies "focus their resources on participating in the state's study 'rather than continue illegal operations in the meantime.'"
The companies primarily operate in the Hampton Roads area and Northern Virginia. Their services allow consumers to use their smartphones to book rides with independent operators, who are rated by past customers. This author's experience finds the service faster, more convenient, affordable and safer than regular taxi service.
Like many technology-driven developments, however, the law has not kept pace with changes in the marketplace.
VA officials actually acknowledge the benefits from services like Uber and Lyft. "I actually like their business model in terms of giving more flexibility to the public," VA Secretary of Transportation Aubrey Lynne said. "but there are some issues they need to work on and some laws that we need to change."
Uber, in a statement to the press, said the DMV cease order was "shocking and unexpected," as the company had already been in contact with state officials about necessary changes to the law.
It is unclear whether the companies will comply with the DMV order, although the agency has threatened individual drivers with fines of $1,000 for every ride they complete. At the time of this article, Uber had 6 black sedans and a larger number of lower-priced cars available to pick up this author within 7 minutes.
Re: Virginia DMV tells ride-sharing companies Uber and Lyft to cease-and-desist
Posted by:
eesh
()
Date: June 06, 2014 05:41PM
Yeah, they are basically unlicensed taxi cab services. Virginia isn't alone in this.
Re: Virginia DMV tells ride-sharing companies Uber and Lyft to cease-and-desist
Posted by:
Gerrymanderer2
()
Date: June 06, 2014 05:58PM
Uber told the state to go fuck itself and that they'll see us in court.
Re: Virginia DMV tells ride-sharing companies Uber and Lyft to cease-and-desist
Posted by:
eesh
()
Date: June 06, 2014 06:02PM
Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> Uber told the state to go fuck itself and that
> they'll see us in court.
Attachments:
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> Uber told the state to go fuck itself and that
> they'll see us in court.
Attachments:
Re: Virginia DMV tells ride-sharing companies Uber and Lyft to cease-and-desist
Posted by:
Jim Ignatowski
()
Date: June 06, 2014 06:05PM
So what's everyone's take on this?
On one hand you have truly unregulated, unlicensed individuals using cars that get nothing more than the standard non-commercial vehicle inspection.
On the other hand you have well-entrenched special interests who have put in place regulatory and licensing arrangements that keep out newcomers.
Any opinions on this? Any else ever use these services? I've taken plenty of cabs and have used Uber a few times. The Uber experiences were hands down better.
On one hand you have truly unregulated, unlicensed individuals using cars that get nothing more than the standard non-commercial vehicle inspection.
On the other hand you have well-entrenched special interests who have put in place regulatory and licensing arrangements that keep out newcomers.
Any opinions on this? Any else ever use these services? I've taken plenty of cabs and have used Uber a few times. The Uber experiences were hands down better.
Re: Virginia DMV tells ride-sharing companies Uber and Lyft to cease-and-desist
Posted by:
Leftist.Gorilla
()
Date: June 07, 2014 12:10AM
Jim Ignatowski Wrote:
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> So what's everyone's take on this?
>
> On one hand you have truly unregulated, unlicensed
> individuals using cars that get nothing more than
> the standard non-commercial vehicle inspection.
>
> On the other hand you have well-entrenched special
> interests who have put in place regulatory and
> licensing arrangements that keep out newcomers.
>
> Any opinions on this? Any else ever use these
> services? I've taken plenty of cabs and have used
> Uber a few times. The Uber experiences were hands
> down better.
Yup...this is not different than the gun-tards and their lobbying money. They know they're wrong but they keep the money flowing to wash the blood of the innocents' hands off of the people who COULD change things.
Uber is by far superior to traditional taxi cab service. Nicer vehicles, drivers who greet you proper and are willing to take the route YOU want to go as the paying customer rather than argue about it, etc.
Uber simply needs to jump in the lobbying pool and get the laws changed. Until then, no voice of the people or the marketplace is going to change shit.
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> So what's everyone's take on this?
>
> On one hand you have truly unregulated, unlicensed
> individuals using cars that get nothing more than
> the standard non-commercial vehicle inspection.
>
> On the other hand you have well-entrenched special
> interests who have put in place regulatory and
> licensing arrangements that keep out newcomers.
>
> Any opinions on this? Any else ever use these
> services? I've taken plenty of cabs and have used
> Uber a few times. The Uber experiences were hands
> down better.
Yup...this is not different than the gun-tards and their lobbying money. They know they're wrong but they keep the money flowing to wash the blood of the innocents' hands off of the people who COULD change things.
Uber is by far superior to traditional taxi cab service. Nicer vehicles, drivers who greet you proper and are willing to take the route YOU want to go as the paying customer rather than argue about it, etc.
Uber simply needs to jump in the lobbying pool and get the laws changed. Until then, no voice of the people or the marketplace is going to change shit.
Re: Virginia DMV tells ride-sharing companies Uber and Lyft to cease-and-desist
Posted by:
Gerrymanderer2
()
Date: June 07, 2014 12:56AM
Uber means anyone with a car can have a job now which is interesting. If the popularity of providing the sevice increases along with competition between these companies, will fares drop?
What does it take to become an Uber style company? Yes, they self regulate themselves well but if new start ups start providing the same service will they have the same standards? Can that cause unsafe drivers? Will it lead to eventual regulation?
When it becomes regulated, whats the difference between uber and traditional taxi companies at that point? Even if Uber finds a way to continue to operate. Its business model has a long way to go.
What does it take to become an Uber style company? Yes, they self regulate themselves well but if new start ups start providing the same service will they have the same standards? Can that cause unsafe drivers? Will it lead to eventual regulation?
When it becomes regulated, whats the difference between uber and traditional taxi companies at that point? Even if Uber finds a way to continue to operate. Its business model has a long way to go.
Re: Virginia DMV tells ride-sharing companies Uber and Lyft to cease-and-desist
Posted by:
9DvNM
()
Date: June 07, 2014 01:10AM
Leftist.Gorilla Wrote:
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> Yup...this is not different than the gun-tards and
> their lobbying money. They know they're wrong but
> they keep the money flowing to wash the blood of
> the innocents' hands off of the people who COULD
> change things.
>
> Uber is by far superior to traditional taxi cab
> service. Nicer vehicles, drivers who greet you
> proper and are willing to take the route YOU want
> to go as the paying customer rather than argue
> about it, etc.
>
> Uber simply needs to jump in the lobbying pool and
> get the laws changed. Until then, no voice of the
> people or the marketplace is going to change shit.
Oh yeah, just like that. Really dumb example...
The same applies to many other more close analogues that involve licensed services. Everything from hair cutting to trash services to contractors to motels, food services, child care, and if you want a good example of some group totally locking up the market, real estate agents.
Yes, there are groups who have vested interests who can control such markets. On the other hand, there are some very good reasons why licensing requirements exists.
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> Yup...this is not different than the gun-tards and
> their lobbying money. They know they're wrong but
> they keep the money flowing to wash the blood of
> the innocents' hands off of the people who COULD
> change things.
>
> Uber is by far superior to traditional taxi cab
> service. Nicer vehicles, drivers who greet you
> proper and are willing to take the route YOU want
> to go as the paying customer rather than argue
> about it, etc.
>
> Uber simply needs to jump in the lobbying pool and
> get the laws changed. Until then, no voice of the
> people or the marketplace is going to change shit.
Oh yeah, just like that. Really dumb example...
The same applies to many other more close analogues that involve licensed services. Everything from hair cutting to trash services to contractors to motels, food services, child care, and if you want a good example of some group totally locking up the market, real estate agents.
Yes, there are groups who have vested interests who can control such markets. On the other hand, there are some very good reasons why licensing requirements exists.
Re: Virginia DMV tells ride-sharing companies Uber and Lyft to cease-and-desist
Posted by:
eesh
()
Date: June 07, 2014 01:25AM
How long until a serial killer starts working for Uber or Lyft?
Re: Virginia DMV tells ride-sharing companies Uber and Lyft to cease-and-desist
Posted by:
weojh
()
Date: June 07, 2014 01:39AM
Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> Uber told the state to go fuck itself and that
> they'll see us in court.
good for them.
(although, I hate the word, "uber")
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> Uber told the state to go fuck itself and that
> they'll see us in court.
good for them.
(although, I hate the word, "uber")
Re: Virginia DMV tells ride-sharing companies Uber and Lyft to cease-and-desist
Posted by:
Uber Alias
()
Date: June 07, 2014 01:43AM
weojh Wrote:
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> Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Uber told the state to go fuck itself and that
> > they'll see us in court.
>
>
> good for them.
>
>
> (although, I hate the word, "uber")
How about this? You like it now?
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> Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Uber told the state to go fuck itself and that
> > they'll see us in court.
>
>
> good for them.
>
>
> (although, I hate the word, "uber")
How about this? You like it now?
Re: Virginia DMV tells ride-sharing companies Uber and Lyft to cease-and-desist
Posted by:
uber that up your ass
()
Date: June 07, 2014 03:33AM
Uber Alias Wrote:
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> weojh Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Uber told the state to go fuck itself and
> that
> > > they'll see us in court.
> >
> >
> > good for them.
> >
> >
> > (although, I hate the word, "uber")
>
>
>
>
> How about this? You like it now?
No, I do not.
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> weojh Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Uber told the state to go fuck itself and
> that
> > > they'll see us in court.
> >
> >
> > good for them.
> >
> >
> > (although, I hate the word, "uber")
>
>
>
>
> How about this? You like it now?
No, I do not.
Re: Virginia DMV tells ride-sharing companies Uber and Lyft to cease-and-desist
Posted by:
Ale E Us
()
Date: June 07, 2014 03:39AM
I don't like your language.
Re: Virginia DMV tells ride-sharing companies Uber and Lyft to cease-and-desist
Posted by:
ekjWp
()
Date: June 07, 2014 05:45AM
I wonder how many of these unlicensed operators report this income.
Secondly, in the spirit of ffx underground, why do you need a license to operate a taxicab? you don't need a license to own a gun. Oh yeah, special interest groups find it hard to change the constitution.
Secondly, in the spirit of ffx underground, why do you need a license to operate a taxicab? you don't need a license to own a gun. Oh yeah, special interest groups find it hard to change the constitution.
Re: Virginia DMV tells ride-sharing companies Uber and Lyft to cease-and-desist
Posted by:
libs hate America.
()
Date: June 07, 2014 05:58AM
Only a lib could turn a thread about cabs into an anti American rant.
You need a permit to carry a hand gun. Or you can just buy a double barrel shotgun like Joe biden has told everybody in America to do.
You need a permit to carry a hand gun. Or you can just buy a double barrel shotgun like Joe biden has told everybody in America to do.
Re: Virginia DMV tells ride-sharing companies Uber and Lyft to cease-and-desist
Posted by:
4644h
()
Date: June 07, 2014 07:14AM
>You need a permit to carry a hand gun
Only concealed.
Only concealed.
Re: Virginia DMV tells ride-sharing companies Uber and Lyft to cease-and-desist
Posted by:
Alexander Smith
()
Date: June 07, 2014 07:31AM
As long as companies such as Uber are practicing self-regulation, I'm all for it.
Fuck pouring money into the hands of greedy officials just to get a special interest approved. The DMV can kiss asshole in court. That is meant for you, Holcomb.
Fuck pouring money into the hands of greedy officials just to get a special interest approved. The DMV can kiss asshole in court. That is meant for you, Holcomb.
Re: Virginia DMV tells ride-sharing companies Uber and Lyft to cease-and-desist
Posted by:
oh puhlease
()
Date: June 07, 2014 07:54AM
9DvNM Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Leftist.Gorilla Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Yup...this is not different than the gun-tards
> and
> > their lobbying money. They know they're wrong
> but
> > they keep the money flowing to wash the blood
> of
> > the innocents' hands off of the people who
> COULD
> > change things.
> >
> > Uber is by far superior to traditional taxi cab
> > service. Nicer vehicles, drivers who greet you
> > proper and are willing to take the route YOU
> want
> > to go as the paying customer rather than argue
> > about it, etc.
> >
> > Uber simply needs to jump in the lobbying pool
> and
> > get the laws changed. Until then, no voice of
> the
> > people or the marketplace is going to change
> shit.
>
>
> Oh yeah, just like that. Really dumb example...
>
> The same applies to many other more close
> analogues that involve licensed services.
> Everything from hair cutting to trash services to
> contractors to motels, food services, child care,
> and if you want a good example of some group
> totally locking up the market, real estate agents.
>
>
> Yes, there are groups who have vested interests
> who can control such markets. On the other hand,
> there are some very good reasons why licensing
> requirements exists.
Real estate agents totally lock up the market?
How so?
If someone can't take the time to pass a real estate licensing test, they are probably not fit to represent someone else in buying a house.
You know, simple math, basic contract stuff, fair housing...if you can't, or won't take the time to pass a test in that, you should not represent another in a major purchanse where things can and do go majorly wrong.
Don't need a license to buy your own house, or, sell your own house.
Seems reasonable to me.
Unlicensed food service. Now that is a real good one.
You really think everybody will "self-regulate", and the market will take care of weeding out bad providers?
Not in any efficient manner.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Leftist.Gorilla Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Yup...this is not different than the gun-tards
> and
> > their lobbying money. They know they're wrong
> but
> > they keep the money flowing to wash the blood
> of
> > the innocents' hands off of the people who
> COULD
> > change things.
> >
> > Uber is by far superior to traditional taxi cab
> > service. Nicer vehicles, drivers who greet you
> > proper and are willing to take the route YOU
> want
> > to go as the paying customer rather than argue
> > about it, etc.
> >
> > Uber simply needs to jump in the lobbying pool
> and
> > get the laws changed. Until then, no voice of
> the
> > people or the marketplace is going to change
> shit.
>
>
> Oh yeah, just like that. Really dumb example...
>
> The same applies to many other more close
> analogues that involve licensed services.
> Everything from hair cutting to trash services to
> contractors to motels, food services, child care,
> and if you want a good example of some group
> totally locking up the market, real estate agents.
>
>
> Yes, there are groups who have vested interests
> who can control such markets. On the other hand,
> there are some very good reasons why licensing
> requirements exists.
Real estate agents totally lock up the market?
How so?
If someone can't take the time to pass a real estate licensing test, they are probably not fit to represent someone else in buying a house.
You know, simple math, basic contract stuff, fair housing...if you can't, or won't take the time to pass a test in that, you should not represent another in a major purchanse where things can and do go majorly wrong.
Don't need a license to buy your own house, or, sell your own house.
Seems reasonable to me.
Unlicensed food service. Now that is a real good one.
You really think everybody will "self-regulate", and the market will take care of weeding out bad providers?
Not in any efficient manner.
Re: Virginia DMV tells ride-sharing companies Uber and Lyft to cease-and-desist
Posted by:
jenfi
()
Date: June 07, 2014 08:02AM
4644h Wrote:
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> >You need a permit to carry a hand gun
>
> Only concealed.
Yeah, and that law needs to be repealed. However, it's not like anybody is walking around Fairfax with a sidearm. Who wants to be harassed and possibly detained indefinitely but the liberal fascist police? Liberals have done everything to make the USA a police state. Bunch of whiney, enslaved bitches.
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> >You need a permit to carry a hand gun
>
> Only concealed.
Yeah, and that law needs to be repealed. However, it's not like anybody is walking around Fairfax with a sidearm. Who wants to be harassed and possibly detained indefinitely but the liberal fascist police? Liberals have done everything to make the USA a police state. Bunch of whiney, enslaved bitches.
Re: Virginia DMV tells ride-sharing companies Uber and Lyft to cease-and-desist
Posted by:
Payoffs to Dhims =
()
Date: June 07, 2014 08:18AM
you're in business!
Re: Virginia DMV tells ride-sharing companies Uber and Lyft to cease-and-desist
Posted by:
dYKY6
()
Date: June 07, 2014 08:25AM
Besides licensing, I think there are several other issues with transporting other people (for money) in your private vehicle. I strongly suspect that your auto insurance will not cover this usage -- even if you only do it 'part time'. The 'risk assesment' associated with your current coverage doesn't take into account this activity. So you, the operator, get to save money by spreading your increased risk across your existing (cheaper) pool instead of being moved into another risk pool.
No to mention, Virginia is very curious about people who use their vehicles (even part time) in a commercial capacity.
No to mention, Virginia is very curious about people who use their vehicles (even part time) in a commercial capacity.
Re: Virginia DMV tells ride-sharing companies Uber and Lyft to cease-and-desist
Posted by:
dy knows nothing...
()
Date: June 07, 2014 08:32AM
Newsflash, but neither allows Joe Public to just pull up in their 95 Camry. Drivers are required to carry appropriate insurance & licensing, dumbass.
Re: Virginia DMV tells ride-sharing companies Uber and Lyft to cease-and-desist
Posted by:
Uber Driver
()
Date: June 07, 2014 08:33AM
dYKY6 Wrote:
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> Besides licensing, I think there are several other
> issues with transporting other people (for money)
> in your private vehicle. I strongly suspect that
> your auto insurance will not cover this usage --
> even if you only do it 'part time'. The 'risk
> assesment' associated with your current coverage
> doesn't take into account this activity. So you,
> the operator, get to save money by spreading your
> increased risk across your existing (cheaper) pool
> instead of being moved into another risk pool.
>
> No to mention, Virginia is very curious about
> people who use their vehicles (even part time) in
> a commercial capacity.
I drive for Uber. I disclosed to my insurance company that I am using my vehicle for use with Uber and there was no change to my policy.
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> Besides licensing, I think there are several other
> issues with transporting other people (for money)
> in your private vehicle. I strongly suspect that
> your auto insurance will not cover this usage --
> even if you only do it 'part time'. The 'risk
> assesment' associated with your current coverage
> doesn't take into account this activity. So you,
> the operator, get to save money by spreading your
> increased risk across your existing (cheaper) pool
> instead of being moved into another risk pool.
>
> No to mention, Virginia is very curious about
> people who use their vehicles (even part time) in
> a commercial capacity.
I drive for Uber. I disclosed to my insurance company that I am using my vehicle for use with Uber and there was no change to my policy.
Re: Virginia DMV tells ride-sharing companies Uber and Lyft to cease-and-desist
Posted by:
angry?
()
Date: June 07, 2014 08:38AM
dy knows nothing... Wrote:
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> Newsflash, but neither allows Joe Public to just
> pull up in their 95 Camry. Drivers are required to
> carry appropriate insurance & licensing, dumbass.
Newsflash. Haven't heard that since the 8th grade (in a similiar capacity)...it was clever then.
Glad to see the name calling, as well.
Can you get commercial driver insurance if you are not licensed as a commercial driver?
I wonder if a real estate agent could get "errors and omissions" insurance if they are not a licensed RE agent.
Angry response and name calling in...five, four, three...
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> Newsflash, but neither allows Joe Public to just
> pull up in their 95 Camry. Drivers are required to
> carry appropriate insurance & licensing, dumbass.
Newsflash. Haven't heard that since the 8th grade (in a similiar capacity)...it was clever then.
Glad to see the name calling, as well.
Can you get commercial driver insurance if you are not licensed as a commercial driver?
I wonder if a real estate agent could get "errors and omissions" insurance if they are not a licensed RE agent.
Angry response and name calling in...five, four, three...
Re: Virginia DMV tells ride-sharing companies Uber and Lyft to cease-and-desist
Posted by:
angry...
()
Date: June 07, 2014 08:40AM
and stupid @ 8:40 on a Saturday morning.
You faggot, bro? Why so mad? Can't google and read @ the companies?
Whadafuq...
You faggot, bro? Why so mad? Can't google and read @ the companies?
Whadafuq...
Re: Virginia DMV tells ride-sharing companies Uber and Lyft to cease-and-desist
Posted by:
hazzle
()
Date: June 07, 2014 08:48AM
Bro.
LOL.
LOL.
Re: Virginia DMV tells ride-sharing companies Uber and Lyft to cease-and-desist
Posted by:
YtDUx
()
Date: June 07, 2014 08:48AM
> I drive for Uber. I disclosed to my insurance company that I am using my vehicle for use with Uber and there was no change to my policy.
Interesting. Insurance companies are usually fairly progressive with raising rates. If their actuaries have determined there isn't increased risk though you have to trust them.
>Drivers are required to carry appropriate insurance & licensing, dumbass.
Required but I don't think Uber is enforcing this. Additonally, in Virginia you can be an uninsured motorist for $300. This is going to limit liability coverage for any injuries you incur in a crash.
Interesting. Insurance companies are usually fairly progressive with raising rates. If their actuaries have determined there isn't increased risk though you have to trust them.
>Drivers are required to carry appropriate insurance & licensing, dumbass.
Required but I don't think Uber is enforcing this. Additonally, in Virginia you can be an uninsured motorist for $300. This is going to limit liability coverage for any injuries you incur in a crash.
Re: Virginia DMV tells ride-sharing companies Uber and Lyft to cease-and-desist
Posted by:
Can you be more wrong?
()
Date: June 07, 2014 09:20AM
"Every person registering an uninsured motor vehicle shall pay a fee of $500"
Re: Virginia DMV tells ride-sharing companies Uber and Lyft to cease-and-desist
Posted by:
6vKNP
()
Date: June 07, 2014 10:05AM
Mea culpa. Apparently it was raised at some point recently (without my authorization). It still doesn't provide for any liability coverage. A lawsuit without coverage will ruin you financially for a couple decades. Enjoy.
Re: Virginia DMV tells ride-sharing companies Uber and Lyft to cease-and-desist
Posted by:
GerrytardRetardtardLOLz
()
Date: June 07, 2014 10:16AM
dYKY6 Wrote:
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> Besides licensing, I think there are several other
> issues with transporting other people (for money)
> in your private vehicle. I strongly suspect that
> your auto insurance will not cover this usage --
> even if you only do it 'part time'. The 'risk
> assesment' associated with your current coverage
> doesn't take into account this activity. So you,
> the operator, get to save money by spreading your
> increased risk across your existing (cheaper) pool
> instead of being moved into another risk pool.
>
> No to mention, Virginia is very curious about
> people who use their vehicles (even part time) in
> a commercial capacity.
Correct, personal auto policies exclude coverage for vehicles for hire. There are endorsements that can be purchased to cover this but do you think these Uber drivers are taking care of that? Hahahaha
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> Besides licensing, I think there are several other
> issues with transporting other people (for money)
> in your private vehicle. I strongly suspect that
> your auto insurance will not cover this usage --
> even if you only do it 'part time'. The 'risk
> assesment' associated with your current coverage
> doesn't take into account this activity. So you,
> the operator, get to save money by spreading your
> increased risk across your existing (cheaper) pool
> instead of being moved into another risk pool.
>
> No to mention, Virginia is very curious about
> people who use their vehicles (even part time) in
> a commercial capacity.
Correct, personal auto policies exclude coverage for vehicles for hire. There are endorsements that can be purchased to cover this but do you think these Uber drivers are taking care of that? Hahahaha
Re: Virginia DMV tells ride-sharing companies Uber and Lyft to cease-and-desist
Posted by:
GerrytardRetardtardLOLz
()
Date: June 07, 2014 10:17AM
Uber Driver Wrote:
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> >
> I drive for Uber. I disclosed to my insurance
> company that I am using my vehicle for use with
> Uber and there was no change to my policy.
You're a fucking liar. You cant even deliver pizzas with your car without getting additional coverage.
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> >
> I drive for Uber. I disclosed to my insurance
> company that I am using my vehicle for use with
> Uber and there was no change to my policy.
You're a fucking liar. You cant even deliver pizzas with your car without getting additional coverage.
Re: Virginia DMV tells ride-sharing companies Uber and Lyft to cease-and-desist
Posted by:
Get it in writing
()
Date: June 07, 2014 10:41AM
Uber Driver Wrote:
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>
> I drive for Uber. I disclosed to my insurance
> company that I am using my vehicle for use with
> Uber and there was no change to my policy.
You might want to double check that and make sure that your policy actually says something to that effect. I know from running a business with vehicles that personal policies typically do not cover and usually specifically exclude use for commercial or carriage/livery purposes. You can't just rely on calling them up and saying, "Dude, I'm doing this Uber thingy, Is that cool?" and having them not fully understand exactly what that means. That could cause some big headaches down the road (no pun intended.) Just looking quickly I see that there already are some cases where that's been a problem and it appears that Uber has some sort of its own policies that it sells for that very reason.
Also, beyond various other taxes and licences, if the vehicle is used primarily for business purposes the car tax differences will kick in at the full rate.
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>
> I drive for Uber. I disclosed to my insurance
> company that I am using my vehicle for use with
> Uber and there was no change to my policy.
You might want to double check that and make sure that your policy actually says something to that effect. I know from running a business with vehicles that personal policies typically do not cover and usually specifically exclude use for commercial or carriage/livery purposes. You can't just rely on calling them up and saying, "Dude, I'm doing this Uber thingy, Is that cool?" and having them not fully understand exactly what that means. That could cause some big headaches down the road (no pun intended.) Just looking quickly I see that there already are some cases where that's been a problem and it appears that Uber has some sort of its own policies that it sells for that very reason.
Also, beyond various other taxes and licences, if the vehicle is used primarily for business purposes the car tax differences will kick in at the full rate.
Re: Virginia DMV tells ride-sharing companies Uber and Lyft to cease-and-desist
Posted by:
GerrytardRetardtardLOLz
()
Date: June 07, 2014 10:44AM
6vKNP Wrote:
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> Mea culpa. Apparently it was raised at some point
> recently (without my authorization). It still
> doesn't provide for any liability coverage. A
> lawsuit without coverage will ruin you financially
> for a couple decades. Enjoy.
If someone was injured in a car associated with Uber, and that car had no liability insurance, I dont think the plaintiff would have much trouble bringing an action against the parent company, Uber, and ultimately collecting.
If you go rent a car and dont have an auto policy of your own with insurance that would cover you, the rental car company has to provide liability insurance. Its the law! You cannot rent a car in VA that doesnt have liability coverage.
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> Mea culpa. Apparently it was raised at some point
> recently (without my authorization). It still
> doesn't provide for any liability coverage. A
> lawsuit without coverage will ruin you financially
> for a couple decades. Enjoy.
If someone was injured in a car associated with Uber, and that car had no liability insurance, I dont think the plaintiff would have much trouble bringing an action against the parent company, Uber, and ultimately collecting.
If you go rent a car and dont have an auto policy of your own with insurance that would cover you, the rental car company has to provide liability insurance. Its the law! You cannot rent a car in VA that doesnt have liability coverage.
Re: Virginia DMV tells ride-sharing companies Uber and Lyft to cease-and-desist
Posted by:
Bill.N.
()
Date: June 07, 2014 12:25PM
When you go into business you have to operate by the rules for that business. Or at least that is the theory. Uber and similar companies want to provide taxi type services without being subject to the same rules. So good for DMV.
Now there is an argument that with modern technology the rules developed in the past are no longer appropriate. If so then the time has come for them to be updated.
Now there is an argument that with modern technology the rules developed in the past are no longer appropriate. If so then the time has come for them to be updated.
Re: Virginia DMV tells ride-sharing companies Uber and Lyft to cease-and-desist
Posted by:
Gc34W
()
Date: June 07, 2014 12:30PM
You do know that the Gen-Y's and Millennials are going to tell you that this isn't a taxi service because it's called Uber. Just like earbuds aren't earphones because they are called earbuds.
Re: Virginia DMV tells ride-sharing companies Uber and Lyft to cease-and-desist
Posted by:
Gerrymanderer2
()
Date: June 07, 2014 12:45PM
All of the above comments are valid points. The question is at what point does the government have the right to regulate the transportation of one individual by another individual. Uber may not be necessary altogether some day and this may become a service provided by social network sites for instance.
Its more complicated than traditional government regulation on services businesses. This could very easily evolve into something that could be very difficult to regulate.
Its more complicated than traditional government regulation on services businesses. This could very easily evolve into something that could be very difficult to regulate.
Re: Virginia DMV tells ride-sharing companies Uber and Lyft to cease-and-desist
Posted by:
7cJe4
()
Date: June 07, 2014 01:12PM
Carpooling appears to be the limit that insurance companies and government is comfortable with. Carpooling is still quite a bit different than an ersatz taxi service.
Re: Virginia DMV tells ride-sharing companies Uber and Lyft to cease-and-desist
Posted by:
convenience
()
Date: June 07, 2014 03:27PM
Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> All of the above comments are valid points. The
> question is at what point does the government have
> the right to regulate the transportation of one
> individual by another individual. Uber may not be
> necessary altogether some day and this may become
> a service provided by social network sites for
> instance.
>
> Its more complicated than traditional government
> regulation on services businesses. This could
> very easily evolve into something that could be
> very difficult to regulate.
Well, gerry, you do bring up an interesting point, I guess.
At what point does the government have the right to regulate (ANYTHING PROVIDED BY) one individual to another individual?
I suggest part of it may be convenience to the consumer...whereby, if the consumer is "buying" something that they neither have the education/skill to vet for themselves (medical services, for example), or, the resources to vet (think food service/cleanliness), or, the time (maybe a cab is an example here) I like that the government does it for me...my government, that I support with taxes.
In the can example, sure, I'd like to think I can jump in a cab, and the drivers are checked out by an authority, and not some crazy f'er, and, there is insuarnce, etc in place if something goes wrong...same as if I go to a restaurant...I like to think that somebody has gone in there and checked it out to make sure there is at least some level of cleanliness...
Can you imagine comparison shopping for a cab? Jumping in a few to see who has the best price? Ha. I don't know that I've ever asked, "How much do you charge"...and what is to stop them from saying after the fact...Dulles to reston...that'll be $400.
For people to think that market forces will sift this kind of stuff out is frickin crazy.
And if you don't think market forces are in play even with something regulated like the cab industry, you are wrong. If they (cab drivers and cab companies) don't like it, they wouldn't do it. Nobody is forcing them to do, other that market opportunity for $$$.
So, it works.
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> All of the above comments are valid points. The
> question is at what point does the government have
> the right to regulate the transportation of one
> individual by another individual. Uber may not be
> necessary altogether some day and this may become
> a service provided by social network sites for
> instance.
>
> Its more complicated than traditional government
> regulation on services businesses. This could
> very easily evolve into something that could be
> very difficult to regulate.
Well, gerry, you do bring up an interesting point, I guess.
At what point does the government have the right to regulate (ANYTHING PROVIDED BY) one individual to another individual?
I suggest part of it may be convenience to the consumer...whereby, if the consumer is "buying" something that they neither have the education/skill to vet for themselves (medical services, for example), or, the resources to vet (think food service/cleanliness), or, the time (maybe a cab is an example here) I like that the government does it for me...my government, that I support with taxes.
In the can example, sure, I'd like to think I can jump in a cab, and the drivers are checked out by an authority, and not some crazy f'er, and, there is insuarnce, etc in place if something goes wrong...same as if I go to a restaurant...I like to think that somebody has gone in there and checked it out to make sure there is at least some level of cleanliness...
Can you imagine comparison shopping for a cab? Jumping in a few to see who has the best price? Ha. I don't know that I've ever asked, "How much do you charge"...and what is to stop them from saying after the fact...Dulles to reston...that'll be $400.
For people to think that market forces will sift this kind of stuff out is frickin crazy.
And if you don't think market forces are in play even with something regulated like the cab industry, you are wrong. If they (cab drivers and cab companies) don't like it, they wouldn't do it. Nobody is forcing them to do, other that market opportunity for $$$.
So, it works.
Re: Virginia DMV tells ride-sharing companies Uber and Lyft to cease-and-desist
Posted by:
thatguy
()
Date: June 07, 2014 03:38PM
If Virginia (or any state) lets Uber do whatever the heck they want, the there is no conceivable way they could regulate the existing Taxi companies. If Uber ignores the DMV orders, then I would hope the Taxi companies consider breaking every law and regulation that applies to them right now.
Taxi's right now are regulated by state law how much they can charge for a ride, per mile, per minute, and per jurisdiction. Is Uber regulated, or can they decide to charge whatever they want?
Tax companies right now need Medallions to increase their fleet. They cannot just flood the market with hundreds of Taxis. Does Uber need these ? If not, why not? Uber can call themselves "ride-sharing" if they want, but it's the same damn thing as a Taxi.
Taxi companies inspect their drivers' vehicles all the time. Does Uber?
Taxi's right now are regulated by state law how much they can charge for a ride, per mile, per minute, and per jurisdiction. Is Uber regulated, or can they decide to charge whatever they want?
Tax companies right now need Medallions to increase their fleet. They cannot just flood the market with hundreds of Taxis. Does Uber need these ? If not, why not? Uber can call themselves "ride-sharing" if they want, but it's the same damn thing as a Taxi.
Taxi companies inspect their drivers' vehicles all the time. Does Uber?
Re: Virginia DMV tells ride-sharing companies Uber and Lyft to cease-and-desist
Posted by:
GerrytardRetardtardLOLz
()
Date: June 07, 2014 03:54PM
The hipsters and the millenials like Uber because they feel it is beneath them to ride in a regular taxi. Someone might see them getting in a "cab" and post a picture on Instagram or Twitter which is the center of the universe for these braindead losers.
Re: Virginia DMV tells ride-sharing companies Uber and Lyft to cease-and-desist
Posted by:
Reversi
()
Date: June 07, 2014 06:11PM
GerrytardRetardtardLOLz Wrote:
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> The hipsters and the millenials like Uber because
> they feel it is beneath them to ride in a regular
> taxi. Someone might see them getting in a "cab"
> and post a picture on Instagram or Twitter which
> is the center of the universe for these braindead
> losers.
Funny... The libturds turn into anti-regulation, free market libertarians when it suits their purposes.
Kind of like the 5 Taliban released. Which they're now trying to justify on the basis of them being 'POWs.' After arguing for years that they weren't POWs and should be tried in criminal court. lol
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> The hipsters and the millenials like Uber because
> they feel it is beneath them to ride in a regular
> taxi. Someone might see them getting in a "cab"
> and post a picture on Instagram or Twitter which
> is the center of the universe for these braindead
> losers.
Funny... The libturds turn into anti-regulation, free market libertarians when it suits their purposes.
Kind of like the 5 Taliban released. Which they're now trying to justify on the basis of them being 'POWs.' After arguing for years that they weren't POWs and should be tried in criminal court. lol
Re: Virginia DMV tells ride-sharing companies Uber and Lyft to cease-and-desist
Posted by:
PUTKP
()
Date: June 07, 2014 06:52PM
>The hipsters and the millenials like Uber because they feel it is beneath them to ride in a regular taxi
Because it's so anti-establishment to use Uber instead of taxi. It's same damn thing as a taxi. So take a fucking taxi.
Because it's so anti-establishment to use Uber instead of taxi. It's same damn thing as a taxi. So take a fucking taxi.
Re: Virginia DMV tells ride-sharing companies Uber and Lyft to cease-and-desist
Posted by:
Gerrymanderer2
()
Date: June 07, 2014 07:12PM
Politics, what are you people stupid? How do you know how many people of what political affiliation use Uber? Fuckin retards on this site.
Re: Virginia DMV tells ride-sharing companies Uber and Lyft to cease-and-desist
Posted by:
Mr Hypocrite
()
Date: June 07, 2014 07:52PM
Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> Politics, what are you people stupid? How do you
> know how many people of what political affiliation
> use Uber? Fuckin retards on this site.
This from the crack pot that whined like a little school girl about the Tesla dealerships. I know Gerry is a paid shill for the DNC, but this is ridiculous.
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> Politics, what are you people stupid? How do you
> know how many people of what political affiliation
> use Uber? Fuckin retards on this site.
This from the crack pot that whined like a little school girl about the Tesla dealerships. I know Gerry is a paid shill for the DNC, but this is ridiculous.
Re: Virginia DMV tells ride-sharing companies Uber and Lyft to cease-and-desist
Posted by:
melliee
()
Date: June 08, 2014 12:01AM
LOve love love Uber! I hate fricking hate taxis. I would fight for Ubers right to stay on the road!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Re: Virginia DMV tells ride-sharing companies Uber and Lyft to cease-and-desist
Posted by:
subrogie
()
Date: June 08, 2014 01:19AM
Uber Driver Wrote:
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> I drive for Uber. I disclosed to my insurance
> company that I am using my vehicle for use with
> Uber and there was no change to my policy.
yeah, just wait until there's some kind of lawsuit filed against you and find out what they'll cover for you.
I could call my insurer and tell them I'm using my car to transport things to the bottom of the ocean and they probably wouldn't change my policy.
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> I drive for Uber. I disclosed to my insurance
> company that I am using my vehicle for use with
> Uber and there was no change to my policy.
yeah, just wait until there's some kind of lawsuit filed against you and find out what they'll cover for you.
I could call my insurer and tell them I'm using my car to transport things to the bottom of the ocean and they probably wouldn't change my policy.
Re: Virginia DMV tells ride-sharing companies Uber and Lyft to cease-and-desist
Posted by:
eesh
()
Date: June 08, 2014 01:43AM
Gerry turned this thread into left wing vs right wing politics AGAIN.
Re: Virginia DMV tells ride-sharing companies Uber and Lyft to cease-and-desist
Posted by:
Gerrymanderer2
()
Date: June 08, 2014 06:23AM
You really need to stop your drinking eesh. It turns you into a very hostile person.
Re: Virginia DMV tells ride-sharing companies Uber and Lyft to cease-and-desist
Posted by:
Whiney whiner
()
Date: June 08, 2014 08:13AM
Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> You really need to stop your drinking eesh. It
> turns you into a very hostile person.
Quit whining you little bitch.
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> You really need to stop your drinking eesh. It
> turns you into a very hostile person.
Quit whining you little bitch.
Re: Virginia DMV tells ride-sharing companies Uber and Lyft to cease-and-desist
Posted by:
vVwFt
()
Date: June 08, 2014 11:37PM
Lyft, Uber pledge to continue operations in Va. despite cease and desist order
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well it's pretty clear they either intend to force republicans and law out the window
however sharon bull o va has also ignored orders from the state of virginia is what bob complained of , her and her expanding democrat hostile takeover pocket in republican virginia
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obviously they ADMIT they owe business tax (already lower than other states) and refuse to pay it, to the state of virginia (actually DMV, whihc is run by a bunch of fucking foreigners thanks to "hiring practices" of total fucking fools)
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it's as bad / the same in usa constitutional law to refuse your own state than the feds
maybe they are too poor yet, upstarting, to pay anything.
rebellion of the poor is one thing. rebellion of those given charity who took advantage of the charity and became hostile unsatisfied with TRIPLE the pay their predecessors go.
that is quite another
i'm willing to put my foot down. are you ?
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well it's pretty clear they either intend to force republicans and law out the window
however sharon bull o va has also ignored orders from the state of virginia is what bob complained of , her and her expanding democrat hostile takeover pocket in republican virginia
----------------------
obviously they ADMIT they owe business tax (already lower than other states) and refuse to pay it, to the state of virginia (actually DMV, whihc is run by a bunch of fucking foreigners thanks to "hiring practices" of total fucking fools)
---------------------
it's as bad / the same in usa constitutional law to refuse your own state than the feds
maybe they are too poor yet, upstarting, to pay anything.
rebellion of the poor is one thing. rebellion of those given charity who took advantage of the charity and became hostile unsatisfied with TRIPLE the pay their predecessors go.
that is quite another
i'm willing to put my foot down. are you ?
Re: Virginia DMV tells ride-sharing companies Uber and Lyft to cease-and-desist
Posted by:
jMPJm
()
Date: June 08, 2014 11:39PM
any triple pay gov worker that gives me sas
will meet everything they had not thought of
will meet everything they had not thought of