Five highranking Taliban for one AWOL SOLDIER, I think this guy was/is a muslim convert. Maybe the Marine jailed in Mexico should convert also, Obama released 36.000 mexicans for nothing, except being pawned by another country, I'm losing count, is there any country that has not shit on our President? I think Obama is like the dumbass guy in a carnival dunktank, Obama could never play this game, I saw him try to throw a baseball, shoot some hoops, ride his bike, never seen him toss a football though he could probably toss some salad.

You misspelt "pwned," but whatever.

Was it like a pawn shop trade?

Check out some of the exchanges made by Israel. Were they "pawned" too? If only everyone were as smart as you.

Het Gerry, you are the idiot ffxu guy sitting in the dunktank for our amusement, Thank you for your service here.

Absolutely correct. He traded one pawn for A king, 2 Queens and 2 Rooks. Obama's chess rating is 500. Big dummy.

shark tank Wrote:
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> Check out some of the exchanges made by Israel.
> Were they "pawned" too? If only everyone were as
> smart as you.


Actually, it's the opposite of what the smart Israelis do. The Israelis trade Palestinian cannon fodder for their soldiers. They will trade 200 Palestinians rock throwers for one IDF grunt because they know they can Apache Hellfire those 200 pawns at will. The Top guys they will go to ends of the earth to kill and never trade them (remember the 12 man/woman Mossad hit squad in Dubai??).

Israelis are probably like "Fuck you Goy, don't associate us with this stupid nig strategy".

On 18 October 2011 captured IDF tank gunner Gilad Shalit, captured by the Palestinian militant organization Hamas in 2006, was released in exchange for 1027 Palestinian prisoners held in Israel. The released prisoners were responsible for the deaths of 569 Israeli civilians. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Israeli_prisoner_exchanges

try again Wrote:
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> On 18 October 2011 captured IDF tank gunner Gilad
> Shalit, captured by the Palestinian militant
> organization Hamas in 2006, was released in
> exchange for 1027 Palestinian prisoners held in
> Israel. The released prisoners were responsible
> for the deaths of 569 Israeli civilians.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Israeli_priso
> ner_exchanges


IDF General: "Fuck you Goy, don't associate us with this stupid nig strategy".

The real question is:

Why make the marine wait 5 years if you were going to negotiate?

True The Vote ! Wrote:
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> Het Gerry, you are the idiot ffxu guy sitting in
> the dunktank for our amusement, Thank you for your
> service here.

The Stupid Ignorant Asshole Show is very entertaining. And the casting was very good as well. Few do stupid ignorant asshole as well as you do. Dumbfuck.

pwned or not Wrote:
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> The real question is:

Why are right-wing assholes so incredibly dumb?

Hey Gerry, I've played contact sports, ran marathons, did'nt always win, but I would pick one guy to beat, that person is you. Gerry and others like him are why the world does'nt respect America anymore.

What a pathetic pussy.

True The Vote ! Wrote:
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> Hey Gerry, I've played contact sports, ran
> marathons, did'nt always win, but I would pick one
> guy to beat, that person is you. Gerry and others
> like him are why the world does'nt respect America
> anymore.

Nice apostrophe-work, goober.

Gerry would beat me to be first in line at an all you can eat buffet.

I wonder what Obumblefuck will say when one of these released Taliban leaders ends up being responsible for an attack that kills dozens or hundreds of Americans?

Taliban leader calls Bergdahl swap 'victory' After five detainees from Guantanamo Bay were swapped for the only American soldier held captive in Afghanistan, Mullah Omar delivered a rare statement.
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/bowe-bergdahl-released/taliban-leader-mullah-omar-calls-bowe-bergdahl-swap-victory-n119816

After five detainees from Guantanamo Bay were swapped for the only American soldier held captive in Afghanistan, the Taliban leader Mullah Omar delivered a rare statement Sunday calling the trade a “great victory.”

“We shall thank almighty for this great victory,” said the statement. “The sacrifice of our Mujahedin have resulted in the release of our senior leaders from the hand of the enemy.”

Omar called for release of "all those who have been imprisoned for defending the honor and freedom of their country," and he thanked the “faithful Muslim nation of Afghanistan,” the Amir of Qatar for his “tireless efforts” to secure the swap, as well as Bergdahl’s captors
“May Allah grant all of them with rewards,” the statement says.

The American soldier, U.S. Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, 28, arrived at a medical facility in Germany on Sunday after being held for five years in captivity.

A Taliban commander told NBC News that Bergdahl’s release came after weeks of talking, and after a similar — but failed — effort two years ago. Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel described the latest talks as a response to intelligence that detailed Bergdahl’s declining health.

"This was essentially an operation to save the life of Sgt. Bergdahl," Hagel told NBC’s Meet the Press on Sunday.

In an emotional news conference, Bergdahl’s parents — who had not spoken to their son — recalled how hard they had worked to secure his release and how difficult the transition home will likely be.

“It’s like a diver going deep,” said Bergdahl's father, Bob, adding, “If he comes back up too fast it could kill him.”

Bergdahl vanished five years ago with only a compass and a bottle of water after reportedly walking away from a military base in Eastern Afghanistan.

In a statement, President Obama called the release a “reminder of America’s unwavering commitment to leave no man or woman on the battlefield.”

The rarely photographed Taliban supreme leader Mullah Mohammed Omar is reportedly seen in this undated photo.
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Wait......why did we swap 5 prisoners for a deserter? Shouldnt he face a court martial?

True The Vote ! Wrote:
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> Gerry would beat me to be first in line at an all
> you can eat buffet.

You're the one who gets eaten alive in here every day. Stupid mindless fucktard.

Not surprising... Wrote:
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> Taliban leader calls Bergdahl swap 'victory'

Nice work on the graphics, you stupid ignorant asswipe. Could you be a little more of a colossal blundering dumbfuck for us, bozo?

More Assholes Sighted Wrote:
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> Not surprising... Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
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> > Taliban leader calls Bergdahl swap 'victory'
>
> Nice work on the graphics, you stupid ignorant
> asswipe. Could you be a little more of a colossal
> blundering dumbfuck for us, bozo?


He could be you.

Goatse Enlarged Asshole Wrote:
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> More Assholes Sighted Wrote:
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> > Not surprising... Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Taliban leader calls Bergdahl swap 'victory'
> >
> > Nice work on the graphics, you stupid ignorant
> > asswipe. Could you be a little more of a
> colossal
> > blundering dumbfuck for us, bozo?
>
>
> He could be you.

Not nig enough.

Not surprising... Wrote:
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> Bergdahl vanished five years ago with only a
> compass and a bottle of water after reportedly
> walking away from a military base in Eastern
> Afghanistan.
>
> In a statement, President Obama called the release
> a “reminder of America’s unwavering commitment
> to leave no man or woman on the battlefield.”

Wikipedia tells the story somewhat differently...

Conflicting reports of capture
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowe_Bergdahl

Accounts of his capture differ. The version offered by Bergdahl, in the video, is that he was captured when he fell behind on a patrol.[2] Taliban sources allege he was ambushed after becoming drunk off base; U.S. military sources deny that claim, stating, "The Taliban are known for lying and what they are claiming [is] not true".[4] Other sources said Bergdahl walked off his base after his shift[26] or that he was grabbed from a latrine.[27] A Department of Defense spokesperson said, "I'm glad to see he appears unharmed, but again, this is a Taliban propaganda video. They are exploiting the soldier in violation of international law."[2][3]

General Nabi Mullakheil of the Afghan National Police said the capture occurred in Paktika Province.[2] Other sources say that he was captured by a Taliban group led by Maulvi Sangin, who has moved him to Ghazni Province.[3] Two Pashto-language leaflets were distributed by the U.S. military in seeking Bergdahl.[4] One showed a smiling GI shaking hands with Afghan children, with a caption that called him a guest in Afghanistan. The other showed a door being broken down, and threatened that those holding Bergdahl would be hunted down.

Taliban leader calls Bergdahl swap 'victory' based on critical Fairfax Underground posts.

He's a fucking moron. I've called him on an idiot for saying pawned before. His skull must be so thick his brain is the size of a peanut.

Gerry is the retard threads, he hides there like a fat rat.

Dead dude gave a rare statement. Actually, the 5 are going to Qatar which is an ally on the US Global War By Terror.

Here's the US soldier's father, I'll let you guys draw your own conclusions...

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Gerry has a muzzy beard like that guy's pop.

Seriously?






http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/06/01/Was-the-Taliban-Telling-The-Truth-About-Sgt-Bergdahl
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Njxijcv Wrote:
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> Absolutely correct. He traded one pawn for A
> king, 2 Queens and 2 Rooks. Obama's chess rating
> is 500. Big dummy.


This is almost true. Not a king or even a queen, but certainly bishops, knights and rooks. All for a solider who deserted his post and told his father he was ashamed to be an American less than a month before he ran away. One worthless pawn who refused to even engage in the battle for 5 senior Al Qeada-aligned Taliban. Idiots in charge.

The war fighters from Bergdahl's unit that were killed looking for him in the weeks after this traitor deserted:

PFC Matthew Michael Martinek
PFC Morris Walker
SSG Kurt Robert Curtiss
SSG Clayton Bowen
SSG Michael Murphrey
2LT Darryn Andrews

All for this pussy who left his post and fellow war fighters (after swearing an oath) to join the enemy. And there were more than a dozen WIA in the search including 5 severe cases. There were also KIAs and WIAs from other units that were involved in the search over the next few years.

His fellow war fighters have branded him a traitor. They would know better than the fools posting here.

KUKYT Wrote:
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> The war fighters from Bergdahl's unit that were
> killed looking for him in the weeks after this
> traitor deserted:
>
> PFC Matthew Michael Martinek
> PFC Morris Walker
> SSG Kurt Robert Curtiss
> SSG Clayton Bowen
> SSG Michael Murphrey
> 2LT Darryn Andrews
>
> All for this pussy who left his post and fellow
> war fighters (after swearing an oath) to join the
> enemy. And there were more than a dozen WIA in
> the search including 5 severe cases. There were
> also KIAs and WIAs from other units that were
> involved in the search over the next few years.
>
> His fellow war fighters have branded him a
> traitor. They would know better than the fools
> posting here.


The real heros:

http://freedomremembered.com/index.php/2nd-lt-darryn-dean-andrews/
http://freedomremembered.com/index.php/army-staff-sgt-clayton-p-bowen/
http://freedomremembered.com/index.php/pfc-morris-l-walker/
http://freedomremembered.com/index.php/army-pfc-matthew-michael-martinek/
http://freedomremembered.com/index.php/staff-sergeant-kurt-r-curtiss/
http://projects.militarytimes.com/valor/army-staff-sgt-michael-c-murphrey/4268869/

Wonder if Berghdahl taught them how to load and shoot rifles. Did he invent the wheel too? Did he show them how to make a bomb in the kitchen of their moms or basement of their dads?

stupid bartbreit Wrote:
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> Wonder if Berghdahl taught them how to load and
> shoot rifles. Did he invent the wheel too? Did
> he show them how to make a bomb in the kitchen of
> their moms or basement of their dads?


That's stupid

Several of those freed were double agents for the US. None of them have been involved in the fighting since 2001-2002.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2014/05/what-the-u-s-gave-up-to-get-sgt-bowe-bergdahl-back/

stupid bartbreit Wrote:
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> Wonder if Berghdahl taught them how to load and
> shoot rifles. Did he invent the wheel too? Did
> he show them how to make a bomb in the kitchen of
> their moms or basement of their dads?


Typical Obush fucktard. Blaming the press for reporting the facts. The facts are that those who served with this traitor called him a traitor. Unless you got something to dispute those who were there, STFU you retarded faggot.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/fellow-soldiers-bergdahl-deserted_794063.html

stupid bartbreit Wrote:
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> Wonder if Berghdahl taught them how to load and
> shoot rifles. Did he invent the wheel too? Did
> he show them how to make a bomb in the kitchen of
> their moms or basement of their dads?

Bretbart isn't news.

"A Pakistani militant commander told AFP that Sgt Bergdahl engaged with his captors, teaching them how to play badminton and inviting them to celebrate Easter and Christmas with them."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10868673/Bowe-Bergdahl-a-darker-story-behind-the-release-of-Americas-last-prisoner-of-war.html

They may still get him for desertion once he comes back. Anyone who thinks they'll walk through vast mountain ranges and several war zones to get to China has more than a few screws loose.

5 duds for 1 spud Wrote:
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> Several of those freed were double agents for the
> US. None of them have been involved in the
> fighting since 2001-2002.
>
> http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2014/05/what-
> the-u-s-gave-up-to-get-sgt-bowe-bergdahl-back/


There are no sources listed for any of the information in this report. All I could find is quotes from the captured Taliban themselves. Without a source, this is nothing but made up stories, or most likely, spin being pumped out from the White House for damage control. Terrible reporting.

5 duds for 1 spud Wrote:
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> Several of those freed were double agents for the
> US. None of them have been involved in the
> fighting since 2001-2002.
>
> http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2014/05/what-
> the-u-s-gave-up-to-get-sgt-bowe-bergdahl-back/

Some of those aren't Taliban or Al-Qaeda also. Abdul Haq Wasiqy was governor of a province who was suspected of collaboration with the Taliban.

eLester Wrote:
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> 5 duds for 1 spud Wrote:
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> -----
> > Several of those freed were double agents for
> the
> > US. None of them have been involved in the
> > fighting since 2001-2002.
> >
> >
> http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2014/05/what-
>
> > the-u-s-gave-up-to-get-sgt-bowe-bergdahl-back/
>
> Some of those aren't Taliban or Al-Qaeda also.
> Abdul Haq Wasiqy was governor of a province who
> was suspected of collaboration with the Taliban.


Other than your opinion, what do you base your statement on?

Here are short bios for each of the five Taliban commanders. All quotes are drawn from declassified and leaked documents prepared at Guantanamo:

Mullah Mohammad Fazl (Taliban army chief of staff): Fazl is “wanted by the UN for possible war crimes including the murder of thousands of Shiites.” Fazl “was associated with terrorist groups currently opposing U.S. and Coalition forces including al Qaeda, Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan (IMU), Hezb-e-Islami Gulbuddin (HIG), and an Anti-Coalition Militia group known as Harakat-i-Inqilab-i-Islami.” In addition to being one of the Taliban’s most experienced military commanders, Fazl worked closely with a top al Qaeda commander named Abdul Hadi al Iraqi, who headed al Qaeda’s main fighting unit in Afghanistan prior to 9/11 and is currently detained at Guantanamo.

Mullah Norullah Noori (senior Taliban military commander): Like Fazl, Noori is “wanted by the United Nations (UN) for possible war crimes including the murder of thousands of Shiite Muslims.” Beginning in the mid-1990s, Noori “fought alongside al Qaeda as a Taliban military general, against the Northern alliance.” He continued to work closely with al Qaeda in the years that followed.

Abdul Haq Wasiq (Taliban deputy minister of intelligence): Wasiq arranged for al Qaeda members to provide crucial intelligence training prior to 9/11. The training was headed by Hamza Zubayr, an al Qaeda instructor who was killed during the same September 2002 raid that netted Ramzi Binalshibh, the point man for the 9/11 operation. Wasiq “was central to the Taliban's efforts to form alliances with other Islamic fundamentalist groups to fight alongside the Taliban against U.S. and Coalition forces after the 11 September 2001 attacks,” according to a leaked JTF-GTMO threat assessment.
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Khairullah Khairkhwa (Taliban governor of the Herat province and former interior minister): Khairkhwa was the governor of Afghanistan’s westernmost province prior to 9/11. In that capacity, he executed sensitive missions for Mullah Omar, including helping to broker a secret deal with the Iranians. For much of the pre-9/11 period, Iran and the Taliban were bitter foes. But a Taliban delegation that included Kharikhwa helped secure Iran’s support for the Taliban’s efforts against the American-led coalition in late 2001. JTF-GTMO found that Khairkhwa was likely a major drug trafficker and deeply in bed with al Qaeda. He allegedly oversaw one of Osama bin Laden’s training facilities in Herat.

Mohammed Nabi (senior Taliban figure and security official): Nabi “was a senior Taliban official who served in multiple leadership roles.” Nabi “had strong operational ties to Anti-Coalition Militia (ACM) groups including al Qaeda, the Taliban, the Haqqani Network, and the Hezb-e-Islami Gulbuddin (HIG), some of whom remain active in ACM activities.” Intelligence cited in the JTF-GTMO files indicates that Nabi held weekly meetings with al Qaeda operatives to coordinate attacks against U.S.-led forces.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/five-most-dangerous-taliban-commanders-us-custody-released-pow-exchange_794017.html?page=2

Washington Post: (This country will have had 16 straight years where an idiot was President of the United States. 16 Straight Years. China and Russia would like to thank the American voter!!!)

Javier Ortiz, a former combat medic in the Army, said he is frustrated with Bergdahl’s actions and thinks he should be tried for desertion, even after five years in captivity in Pakistan. Many U.S. troops had misgivings about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan while they were deployed but did not act on them as Bergdahl did, said Ortiz, of Lawton, Okla.

“I had a responsibility while I was there to the guys I was with, and that’s why this hits the hardest,” said Ortiz, who was in Iraq from March 2003 to March 2004 with the 101st Airborne Division. “Regardless of what you learned while being there, we still have a responsibility to the men to our left and right. It’s terrible, what he did.”

After he went missing, the military conducted an extensive search for Bergdahl. The plan was to create a blockade that would prevent his captors from taking him far from Paktika province, especially into Pakistan. The bulk of other operations were halted to focus on finding Bergdahl.

One Afghan special operations commander in eastern Afghanistan remembers being dispatched.

“Along with the American Special Forces, we set up checkpoints everywhere. For 14 days we were outside of our base trying to find him,” he told The Washington Post, speaking on the condition of anonymity because he is a member of a secretive military unit.

But U.S. troops said they were aware of the circumstances of Bergdahl’s disappearance — that he left the base of his own volition — and with that awareness, many grew angry.

“The unit completely changed its operational posture because of something that was selfish, not because a solider was captured in combat,” said one U.S. soldier formerly based in eastern Afghanistan who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the search. “There were military assets required but the problem came of his own accord.”

The search in Paktika was eventually called off, after U.S. officials acknowledged that Bergdahl had been taken to Pakistan.

The details of the search for Bergdahl were explored in a long online comment that was posted a year ago beneath a 2012 Rolling Stone magazine profile of the missing soldier by the late journalist Michael Hastings. The text of the comment was distributed widely on social media after news about Bergdahl’s rescue broke. The comment attributed the deaths and woundings of several U.S. soldiers to the search for Bergdahl and asserted that the frequency of enemy ambushes and improvised explosive devices increased after he was gone.

“The Taliban knew that we were looking for him in high numbers and our movements were predictable,” said the comment, written by an anonymous poster who used military jargon and claimed to have been there.

“Because of Bergdahl, more men were out in danger, and more attacks on friendly camps and positions were conducted while we were out looking for him,” it continued. “His actions impacted the region more than anyone wants to admit.”

Those sentiments were underscored in a long series of tweets that were posted Saturday night and went viral online. Using the Twitter handle CodyFNfootball, the writer said he was on base at the time and believes that Bergdahl planned his escape for days, leaving between 3 and 4:30 a.m., when there was the least amount of light. The following day, the troops there questioned Afghan children nearby, who said they had seen an American crawling through weeds.

“While searching for him, ambushes and IEDs picked up tremendously,” one of the tweets said. “Enemy knew we would be coming.”

The Washington Post contacted the individual running the Twitter account but received no reply. Like the Rolling Stone comment, however, the tweets included enough specifics about Bergdahl’s unit and location to be regarded as potentially credible by many discussing the case.

Mullah Norullah Noori

Noori served as governor of Balkh province in the Taliban regime and played some role in coordinating the fight against the Northern Alliance. Like Fazl, Noori was detained after surrendering to Dostam, the Uzbek leader, in 2001. Noori claimed during interrogation that "he never received any weapons or military training." According to 2008 detainee assessment, Noori "continues to deny his role, importance and level of access to Taliban officials." That same assessment characterized him as high risk and of high intelligence value.

eLester Wrote:
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> Mullah Norullah Noori
>
> Noori served as governor of Balkh province in the
> Taliban regime and played some role in
> coordinating the fight against the Northern
> Alliance. Like Fazl, Noori was detained after
> surrendering to Dostam, the Uzbek leader, in 2001.
> Noori claimed during interrogation that "he never
> received any weapons or military training."
> According to 2008 detainee assessment, Noori
> "continues to deny his role, importance and level
> of access to Taliban officials." That same
> assessment characterized him as high risk and of
> high intelligence value.


Again, no source, not even off-the-record. The only thing you post is denials from the dude himself and we don't know where this statement came from. If he was so unimportant, why would he be included in this deal? Logic and decent news reporting doesn't support your unsourced post.

Here's the rest:

Khair Ulla Said Wali Khairkhwa

Khairkhwa was an early member of the Taliban in 1994 and was interior minister during the Taliban's rule. He hails from the same tribe as Afghan President Hamid Karzai and was captured in January 2002. Khairkhwa's most prominent position was as governor of Herat province from 1999 to 2001, and he was alleged to have been "directly associated" with Osama bin Laden. According to a detainee assessment, Khairkhwa also was probably associated with al Qaeda's now-deceased leader in Iraq, Abu Musab al Zarqawi. He is described as one of the "major opium drug lords in western Afghanistan" and a "friend" of Karzai. He was arrested in Pakistan and was transferred to Guantanamo in May 2002. During questioning, Khairkhwa denied all knowledge of extremist activities.

Taliban Mullah Mohammad Fazl

Fazl commanded the main force fighting the U.S.-backed Northern Alliance in 2001, and served as chief of army staff under the Taliban regime. He has been accused of war crimes during Afghanistan's civil war in the 1990s. Fazl was detained after surrendering to Abdul Rashid Dostam, the leader of Afghanistan's Uzbek community, in November 2001. He was wanted by the United Nations in connection with the massacre of thousands of Afghan Shiites during the Taliban's rule. "When asked about the murders, he did not express any regret," according to the detainee assessment. He was alleged to have been associated with several militant Islamist groups, including al Qaeda. He was transferred into U.S. custody in December 2001 and was one of the first arrivals at Guantanamo, where he was assessed as having high intelligence value.


Abdul Haq Wasiq

Wasiq was the deputy chief of the Taliban regime's intelligence service. His cousin was head of the service. An administrative review in 2007 cited a source as saying that Wasiq was also "an al Qaeda intelligence member" and had links with members of another militant Islamist group, Hezb-e-Islami Gulbuddin. Wasiq claimed, according to the review, that he was arrested while trying to help the United States locate senior Taliban figures. He denied any links to militant groups.

Mohammad Nabi Omari

Omari was a minor Taliban official in Khost Province. According to the first administrative review in 2004, he was a member of the Taliban and associated with both al Qaeda and another militant group Hezb-e-Islami Gulbuddin. He was the Taliban's chief of communications and helped al Qaeda members escape from Afghanistan to Pakistan. Omari acknowledged during hearings that he had worked for the Taliban but denied connections with militant groups. He also said that he had worked with a U.S. operative named Mark to try to track down Taliban leader Mullah Omar.

Everybody knows that Obama is a Taliban operative working secretly in the White House. Don't be fooled.

Conservative Freedoms Wrote:
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> Everybody knows that Obama is a Taliban operative
> working secretly in the White House. Don't be
> fooled.


I don't think Obama is American Taliban, but he's definitely a moron.

mNCYc Wrote:
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> eLester Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Mullah Norullah Noori
> >
> > Noori served as governor of Balkh province in
> the
> > Taliban regime and played some role in
> > coordinating the fight against the Northern
> > Alliance. Like Fazl, Noori was detained after
> > surrendering to Dostam, the Uzbek leader, in
> 2001.
> > Noori claimed during interrogation that "he
> never
> > received any weapons or military training."
> > According to 2008 detainee assessment, Noori
> > "continues to deny his role, importance and
> level
> > of access to Taliban officials." That same
> > assessment characterized him as high risk and
> of
> > high intelligence value.
>
>
> Again, no source, not even off-the-record. The
> only thing you post is denials from the dude
> himself and we don't know where this statement
> came from. If he was so unimportant, why would he
> be included in this deal? Logic and decent news
> reporting doesn't support your unsourced post.

Both take snippets from the declassified assessment.

If he was so imporant, why would he not be included in this deal by the U.S.? His brother is a Taliban. He is a Taliban but he denies taking part. Many of the people in the region are on side or the other. The current governor was a fighter for the Northern Alliance and fought in the mujahedeen against the Soviets.

Why are we holding them in Qatar which is a known collaborator with the U.S. in staging terrorist attacks using the Al Qaeda and associated terrorist brands?

eLester Wrote:
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>
> Both take snippets from the declassified
> assessment.
>
> If he was so imporant, why would he not be
> included in this deal by the U.S.? His brother is
> a Taliban. He is a Taliban but he denies taking
> part. Many of the people in the region are on side
> or the other. The current governor was a fighter
> for the Northern Alliance and fought in the
> mujahedeen against the Soviets.
>
> Why are we holding them in Qatar which is a known
> collaborator with the U.S. in staging terrorist
> attacks using the Al Qaeda and associated
> terrorist brands?


The difference is one post has the source link from whence it came and that article sources the information. You post no source link. You post no sources at all and then assert that they come from the same declassified materials. Maybe they do, but so far all we got is you telling us so. I don't need you telling me what is and what isn't. Give me the source links and let me read the full story myself. Thanks.

3tPUE Wrote:
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> KUKYT Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The war fighters from Bergdahl's unit that were
> > killed looking for him in the weeks after this
> > traitor deserted:
> >
> > PFC Matthew Michael Martinek
> > PFC Morris Walker
> > SSG Kurt Robert Curtiss
> > SSG Clayton Bowen
> > SSG Michael Murphrey
> > 2LT Darryn Andrews
> >
> > All for this pussy who left his post and fellow
> > war fighters (after swearing an oath) to join
> the
> > enemy. And there were more than a dozen WIA in
> > the search including 5 severe cases. There
> were
> > also KIAs and WIAs from other units that were
> > involved in the search over the next few years.
> >
> > His fellow war fighters have branded him a
> > traitor. They would know better than the fools
> > posting here.
>
>
> The real heros:
>
> http://freedomremembered.com/index.php/2nd-lt-darr
> yn-dean-andrews/
> http://freedomremembered.com/index.php/army-staff-
> sgt-clayton-p-bowen/
> http://freedomremembered.com/index.php/pfc-morris-
> l-walker/
> http://freedomremembered.com/index.php/army-pfc-ma
> tthew-michael-martinek/
> http://freedomremembered.com/index.php/staff-serge
> ant-kurt-r-curtiss/
> http://projects.militarytimes.com/valor/army-staff
> -sgt-michael-c-murphrey/4268869/


+1. This is turning into a complete clusterfuck for the administration. I expect they'll order the press to put the VA scandal back in the news as this attempted diversion blew up in their faces.

The prisoner release was another precondition to peace talks for the Taliban. All the Taliban prisoners are thought to have been released from Gitmo.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/716394/prisoner-swap-pakistan-weighed-in-on-gitmo-deal/

One of the other conditions was for U.S. combat troops to leave Afghanistan. The U.S. will still have many security personel in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

eLester Wrote:
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> The prisoner release was another precondition to
> peace talks for the Taliban. All the Taliban
> prisoners are thought to have been released from
> Gitmo.
>
> http://tribune.com.pk/story/716394/prisoner-swap-p
> akistan-weighed-in-on-gitmo-deal/
>
> One of the other conditions was for U.S. combat
> troops to leave Afghanistan. The U.S. will still
> have many security personel in Afghanistan and
> Pakistan.


So the Taliban want the US to leave the country and turn over all our prisoners before they'll even talk to us about laying down their arms? And we are doing it! What exactly is our leveage now? Let me spell it out: N.O.T.H.I.N.G.

Feckless policy and hapless leadership. Terrible.

1 American solder is worth about 1000 Afghan or Taliban IMO.

There is nothing wrong with POW swaps. They have a long established history, both in the history of warfare and in American military history. In certain countries though it has become politically unacceptable to leave soldiers being held as POW simply because the cost of recovering them has gotten too high. So they end up trading prisoners or resources disproportionate in number, in rank or in value to recover the POWs.

The U.S. is one of these countries, but it is not unique among western democracies.

If you have a problem with the trade, then you need to be prepared to stand up and say "Yes we do leave men behind if it is in our interests to do so. If the cost of recovering our men is too great, then we won't pay. We are sorry to the servicemen and their families, but that is just the way it is."

Conversion Ratio Wrote:
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> 1 American solder is worth about 1000 Afghan or
> Taliban IMO.


How about if that 'soldier' is a Muslim sympathizer who deserted and caused the death of others trying to find him?

Bill.N. Wrote:
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> There is nothing wrong with POW swaps. They have
> a long established history, both in the history of
> warfare and in American military history. In
> certain countries though it has become politically
> unacceptable to leave soldiers being held as POW
> simply because the cost of recovering them has
> gotten too high. So they end up trading prisoners
> or resources disproportionate in number, in rank
> or in value to recover the POWs.
>
> The U.S. is one of these countries, but it is not
> unique among western democracies.
>
> If you have a problem with the trade, then you
> need to be prepared to stand up and say "Yes we do
> leave men behind if it is in our interests to do
> so. If the cost of recovering our men is too
> great, then we won't pay. We are sorry to the
> servicemen and their families, but that is just
> the way it is."


I'd agree but this POS deserted and went out to join the Taliban. He deserved everything he got. If this had been a regular joe who got captured, I'd be for this trade. But he's not. His unit didn't trust him. He was a traitor. This trade sucked

Bill.N. Wrote:
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> There is nothing wrong with POW swaps. They have
> a long established history, both in the history of
> warfare and in American military history. In
> certain countries though it has become politically
> unacceptable to leave soldiers being held as POW
> simply because the cost of recovering them has
> gotten too high. So they end up trading prisoners
> or resources disproportionate in number, in rank
> or in value to recover the POWs.
>
> The U.S. is one of these countries, but it is not
> unique among western democracies.
>
> If you have a problem with the trade, then you
> need to be prepared to stand up and say "Yes we do
> leave men behind if it is in our interests to do
> so. If the cost of recovering our men is too
> great, then we won't pay. We are sorry to the
> servicemen and their families, but that is just
> the way it is."

The difference here is that you're not dealing with armies who take prisoners in the normal course of war and wouldn't otherwise since they tend to be more of a problem in any number of ways than an enemy killed. You're looking at an asymetric situation where smaller groups like the Taliban view hostage-taking as a strategic move which gives them leverage against us since they too are aware of our 'no man left behind' doctrine. Which when you ante up to further prove the case, then encourages more of the same. Same with kidnapping which is routine among such groups as a way to raise money for the same reasons - they've learned people will pay.

Not saying that it's right or wrong necessarily in this or some other case, but there is a difference.

Sublimer Wrote:
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> Was it like a pawn shop trade?

Conserva-tards!

LoLz!

The poor kid was trying to relieve himself with some privacy and got caught with his pants down. Now he's a traitor simply because he wasn't remembered for being a blood thirsty animal like the rest of the morons he was in that platoon with.

Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> The poor kid was trying to relieve himself with
> some privacy and got caught with his pants down.
> Now he's a traitor simply because he wasn't
> remembered for being a blood thirsty animal like
> the rest of the morons he was in that platoon
> with.


Yeah, this deserter POS wanted to pee in India. That's why he took his compass you moron.

Afghanistan doesn't share a common border with India for one. Even if he got into Pakistan and didn't get killed, he'd be shot on sight by Indian border guards on high alert for terrorist infiltration on what is probably one of the most well protected and sealed borders in the world outside of the demilitarized zone between the Koreas.

India with a compass, that's funny.

Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> The poor kid was trying to relieve himself with
> some privacy and got caught with his pants down.
> Now he's a traitor simply because he wasn't
> remembered for being a blood thirsty animal like
> the rest of the morons he was in that platoon
> with.

Poor kid my ass. Your stupidity is showing.

End of Afghanistan war. POWs should come home on both sides.


http://thinkprogress.org/world/2014/06/02/3443719/the-case-for-negotiating-for-bergdahls-release/

link-o-matic Wrote:
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> End of Afghanistan war. POWs should come home on
> both sides.
>
>
> http://thinkprogress.org/world/2014/06/02/3443719/
> the-case-for-negotiating-for-bergdahls-release/


Gee, Think Progress... aka Center for American Progress... aka John Podesta, special advisor to Obama.

Wonder what they'll say? lol

Wartime stress can drive some people to abandon their posts while others like Bales go on a rampage and kill civilians. They both pose risks to other members in their squad.

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Obama, got owned by the Taliban? This deal has been in the works for years. I even created a thread about this 20 months ago that got all of 3 replies .

These Taliban have been out of the fight for so long. The war they knew is nothing like what is going on now. On the flip side, the US had a decade to turn JUST 1 of them. The Taliban will have 5 potential intel leaks in their midst and they know it. People always ask why Israel is willing to trade 500 “Hamas” operatives for 3 IDF personal? Flood the enemy with potential intel leaks. This may have been a smart move from an intelligence perspective.

That having been said, IMO, the US did lose in Afghanistan.

TheNorthman Wrote:
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> That having been said, IMO, the US did lose in
> Afghanistan.


The US hasn't won a war since WWII. We did win the Desert Storm police action, fighting under the banner of the UN. Our ground military has sucked since Nam, so has almost every who gets promoted above full-bird (Stormin' Norman being an exception). Look at Colin Powell for example - a globalist who is more politican than military strategist, riding on the coattails of the generals who actually came up and executed the war plan for the Gulf War.

Yes, the US lost in Afghanistan. And in Iraq. And in Somolia. And in Nam. And in Korea. Without our unbidled funding of the military-industrial complex and two large oceans, we'd all be speaking Chinese or Russia by now.

KUKYT Wrote:
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> The war fighters from Bergdahl's unit that were
> killed looking for him in the weeks after this
> traitor deserted:
>
> PFC Matthew Michael Martinek
> PFC Morris Walker
> SSG Kurt Robert Curtiss
> SSG Clayton Bowen
> SSG Michael Murphrey
> 2LT Darryn Andrews
>
> All for this pussy who left his post and fellow
> war fighters (after swearing an oath) to join the
> enemy. And there were more than a dozen WIA in
> the search including 5 severe cases. There were
> also KIAs and WIAs from other units that were
> involved in the search over the next few years.
>
> His fellow war fighters have branded him a
> traitor. They would know better than the fools
> posting here.


You have to be willing to leave this guy to be eventually beheaded by the Taliban. If that had happened, the right would have taken the completely opposite stance, and claimed that Obama abandons our soldiers because he hates the military.

TheNorthman Wrote:
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> Obama, got owned by the Taliban? This deal has
> been in the works for years.
> [url=http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/
> 40/1012557.html]I even created a thread about this
> 20 months ago that got all of 3 replies [/url].
>
> These Taliban have been out of the fight for so
> long. The war they knew is nothing like what is
> going on now. On the flip side, the US had a
> decade to turn JUST 1 of them. The Taliban will
> have 5 potential intel leaks in their midst and
> they know it. People always ask why Israel is
> willing to trade 500 “Hamas” operatives for 3
> IDF personal? Flood the enemy with potential
> intel leaks. This may have been a smart move from
> an intelligence perspective.
>
> That having been said, IMO, the US did lose in
> Afghanistan.

Everybody that's gone into Afghanistan has lost. British, Soviets, probably more. It was nuts to go in there and try to nation build the place. Obama had a bad hand with Afghanistan when he got into office. Probably should have bailed on it right away, but that would have been a very hard decision too.

RJR Wrote:
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> TheNorthman Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Obama, got owned by the Taliban? This deal has
> > been in the works for years.
> >
> [url=http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/
>
> > 40/1012557.html]I even created a thread about
> this
> > 20 months ago that got all of 3 replies [/url].
> >
> > These Taliban have been out of the fight for so
> > long. The war they knew is nothing like what
> is
> > going on now. On the flip side, the US had a
> > decade to turn JUST 1 of them. The Taliban
> will
> > have 5 potential intel leaks in their midst and
> > they know it. People always ask why Israel is
> > willing to trade 500 “Hamas” operatives for
> 3
> > IDF personal? Flood the enemy with potential
> > intel leaks. This may have been a smart move
> from
> > an intelligence perspective.
> >
> > That having been said, IMO, the US did lose in
> > Afghanistan.
>
> Everybody that's gone into Afghanistan has lost.
> British, Soviets, probably more. It was nuts to
> go in there and try to nation build the place.
> Obama had a bad hand with Afghanistan when he got
> into office. Probably should have bailed on it
> right away, but that would have been a very hard
> decision too.


+1 Obama is not good with decisions.

If Barack Obama had been an infantry soldier, I suspect he would have been about as committed to the mission as Bowe Bergdahl.

RJR Wrote:
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> TheNorthman Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Obama, got owned by the Taliban? This deal has
> > been in the works for years.
> >
> [url=http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/
>
> > 40/1012557.html]I even created a thread about
> this
> > 20 months ago that got all of 3 replies [/url].
> >
> > These Taliban have been out of the fight for so
> > long. The war they knew is nothing like what
> is
> > going on now. On the flip side, the US had a
> > decade to turn JUST 1 of them. The Taliban
> will
> > have 5 potential intel leaks in their midst and
> > they know it. People always ask why Israel is
> > willing to trade 500 “Hamas” operatives for
> 3
> > IDF personal? Flood the enemy with potential
> > intel leaks. This may have been a smart move
> from
> > an intelligence perspective.
> >
> > That having been said, IMO, the US did lose in
> > Afghanistan.
>
> Everybody that's gone into Afghanistan has lost.
> British, Soviets, probably more. It was nuts to
> go in there and try to nation build the place.
> Obama had a bad hand with Afghanistan when he got
> into office. Probably should have bailed on it
> right away, but that would have been a very hard
> decision too.


In other words, it's Bush's fault.

RJR Wrote:
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> TheNorthman Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Obama, got owned by the Taliban? This deal has
> > been in the works for years.
> >
> [url=http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/
>
> > 40/1012557.html]I even created a thread about
> this
> > 20 months ago that got all of 3 replies [/url].
> >
> > These Taliban have been out of the fight for so
> > long. The war they knew is nothing like what
> is
> > going on now. On the flip side, the US had a
> > decade to turn JUST 1 of them. The Taliban
> will
> > have 5 potential intel leaks in their midst and
> > they know it. People always ask why Israel is
> > willing to trade 500 “Hamas” operatives for
> 3
> > IDF personal? Flood the enemy with potential
> > intel leaks. This may have been a smart move
> from
> > an intelligence perspective.
> >
> > That having been said, IMO, the US did lose in
> > Afghanistan.
>
> Everybody that's gone into Afghanistan has lost.
> British, Soviets, probably more. It was nuts to
> go in there and try to nation build the place.
> Obama had a bad hand with Afghanistan when he got
> into office. Probably should have bailed on it
> right away, but that would have been a very hard
> decision too.

Fucking drop two small tactical nukes and call it a day.
Then get the fuck out. It's what the Romans and the Mongols both would have done. Those are two greatest empire known to man. Nuking them would have worked.

vEvxK Wrote:
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> TheNorthman Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > That having been said, IMO, the US did lose in
> > Afghanistan.
>
>
> The US hasn't won a war since WWII. We did win
> the Desert Storm police action, fighting under the
> banner of the UN. Our ground military has sucked
> since Nam, so has almost every who gets promoted
> above full-bird (Stormin' Norman being an
> exception). Look at Colin Powell for example - a
> globalist who is more politican than military
> strategist, riding on the coattails of the
> generals who actually came up and executed the war
> plan for the Gulf War.
>
> Yes, the US lost in Afghanistan. And in Iraq.
> And in Somolia. And in Nam. And in Korea.
> Without our unbidled funding of the
> military-industrial complex and two large oceans,
> we'd all be speaking Chinese or Russia by now.

Mao was a fucking brilliant military strategist, human wave and all. Mao was responsible for Korea and Vietnam (Ho Chi Minh basically followed Mao's strategies). They say the Taliban read Mao too and follow his strategies also. Like it or not: Mao 3 US 0.

Phuck wu commie bastards

I agree it is all sketchy and a lousy trade, but Gen. Martin Dempsey has issued the only coherent and believable statement on this so far:

“The questions about this particular soldier’s conduct are separate from our effort to recover any U.S. service member in enemy captivity,” Dempsey said. “This was likely the last, best opportunity to free him. As for the circumstances of his capture, when he is able to provide them, we’ll learn the facts. Like any American, he is innocent until proven guilty. Our Army’s leaders will not look away from misconduct if it occurred.”

So that's that - - why don't we see where this goes before we get all butt hurt.

Kinda like the American, and his kid killed by a Obama drone strike?

True The Vote ! Wrote:
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> Kinda like the American, and his kid killed by a
> Obama drone strike?


No one likes you, just in case you didn't know.

Gerry is so mad.

Thomasddd Wrote:
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> Mao was a fucking brilliant military strategist,
> human wave and all. Mao was responsible for Korea
> and Vietnam (Ho Chi Minh basically followed Mao's
> strategies). They say the Taliban read Mao too
> and follow his strategies also. Like it or not:
> Mao 3 US 0.


Yep. Mao against the US from 1944 would lose every time. We sere more than happy to send his human waves straight to hell by the thousands. We'd mass bomb every village and kill millions of Chinese civilians if we had to.

Mao against the US since then, first in Korea when the US was just so tired of war that it didn't want to fight and then in Nam when the US had been taken over by pussy liberal faggots, and now, when the entire country has been turned into pussy liberal foggots, we lose every time.

He will be at the mosque for evening prayers!

Tuhhhhh Wrote:
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> RJR Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > TheNorthman Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Obama, got owned by the Taliban? This deal
> has
> > > been in the works for years.
> > >
> >
> [url=http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/
>
> >
> > > 40/1012557.html]I even created a thread about
> > this
> > > 20 months ago that got all of 3 replies
> [/url].
> > >
> > > These Taliban have been out of the fight for
> so
> > > long. The war they knew is nothing like what
> > is
> > > going on now. On the flip side, the US had a
> > > decade to turn JUST 1 of them. The Taliban
> > will
> > > have 5 potential intel leaks in their midst
> and
> > > they know it. People always ask why Israel
> is
> > > willing to trade 500 “Hamas” operatives
> for
> > 3
> > > IDF personal? Flood the enemy with potential
> > > intel leaks. This may have been a smart move
> > from
> > > an intelligence perspective.
> > >
> > > That having been said, IMO, the US did lose
> in
> > > Afghanistan.
> >
> > Everybody that's gone into Afghanistan has lost.
>
> > British, Soviets, probably more. It was nuts
> to
> > go in there and try to nation build the place.
> > Obama had a bad hand with Afghanistan when he
> got
> > into office. Probably should have bailed on it
> > right away, but that would have been a very
> hard
> > decision too.
>
> Fucking drop two small tactical nukes and call it
> a day.
> Then get the fuck out. It's what the Romans and
> the Mongols both would have done. Those are two
> greatest empire known to man. Nuking them would
> have worked.

Hussein Obama would never nuke his own Muslim people. Shit, he changed the rules of engagement to ensure the murder of American soldiers.

^^^^^^

Read about the Mongol Seige of Baghdad. The mongols are still the greatest empire ever. If you don't have the stomach for war, Real War, don't do it. It's just flushing good money and bodies down the drain otherwise. BTW, the mongols conquered Afghanistan, no problem.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Baghdad_(1258)