Libtards are ranting on the tv about the liberal shooter using a long gun, but I’m not sure what that means. LOL libtards are losing their minds!

Um, that's a standard term for a longer gun like a rifle, shotgun, etc., as opposed to a handgun. Libtards obviously have no clue what it means, they're just repeating what they're told to say.

https://gundigest.com/collecting/8-long-guns-american-civil-war

I'm pretty sure "long" refers to length.

Hell, even russian trolls should understand that kind of basic English.

A handgun, Now today AR-15s can be handguns also without the butt stock, the new Mossberg 12 inch barrel 20 gauge pump shot gun is a hand gun because it does not have a pistol grip other wise it would be a class 3 sawed off shotgun, the very thing for riding along in your car. The Ithaca Auto Burglar is a 20 gauge short barrell 12 " double barrel shotgun that was legal for car riding until the 1934 NFA act which considered it to be a class 3 sawed off shot gun requiring a 200 dollar tax stamp, It has a pistol grip

Assault firearms were banned in Maryland a few years ago, but possession is allowed of grandfathered existing arms with rules on possession, traveling with the firearm to ranges, or hunting, or gunsmiths/dealers or out of state,leaving Maryland. Maryland has waiting periods to buy firearms and full background checks, but mental heath issues are still slipping by.

The goon probably did not use a AR or AK or they would have that all over the media by now, they want to whitewash it as it was probably a shotgun and the goon could have bought it from someone else, strawmen and strawwomen are easy to find, that's some one buying a gun for you cause you cant because you smoke weed or have a record or are simply crazy

President Trump FTW! Wrote:
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> Libtards are ranting on the tv about the liberal
> shooter using a long gun, but I’m not sure what
> that means. LOL libtards are losing their minds!


Guntard Trumpanzee has never heard the term "long gun" before. Holy shit, these people are morons.

I'm getting picked on. I'm telling Cary.

Technically they are assault rifles. The only people who "need" them are NRA neo-nazi terrorists.

President Trump FTW! Wrote:
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> Libtards are ranting on the tv about the liberal
> shooter using a long gun, but I’m not sure what
> that means. LOL libtards are losing their minds!

Ask your mom.

Questions need to be asked

Did the neckbeard buy the shotgun from a licensed dealer with a background check

Was he a medical marijuana user

If so why was that not flagged DO NOT SELL on the background check

Liberal idiots want to ban guns, then wink and smile as drug users buy them

Rightardism is getting old and played out. Can we throw them on the dust heap of history yet?

>trumptards are nazis ()

All libtards that say only the military and police should have guns, you belong back in Nazi Germany as that's the way they rolled too. Police state libs get the hell out of Free America

Cripes Wrote:
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> President Trump FTW! Wrote:
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> > Libtards are ranting on the tv about the
> liberal
> > shooter using a long gun, but I’m not sure
> what
> > that means. LOL libtards are losing their
> minds!
>
>
> Guntard Trumpanzee has never heard the term "long
> gun" before. Holy shit, these people are morons.

lmao, even the NRA uses the term. Trump has said it too.

riveting.

trumptards are nazis Wrote:
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> Technically they are assault rifles. The only
> people who "need" them are NRA neo-nazi
> terrorists.

It shocks me how fucking stupid people are. I don't know why, but it does....

trumptards are nazis Wrote:
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> Technically they are assault rifles. The only
> people who "need" them are NRA neo-nazi
> terrorists.

How is a shotgun technically an assault rifle? Just curious.

Everyone knows the op is an imposter. I don't watch TV actors on "news" channels.

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> >trumptards are nazis ()
>
> All libtards that say only the military and police
> should have guns, you belong back in Nazi Germany
> as that's the way they rolled too. Police state
> libs get the hell out of Free America


Nazi Germany expanded gun ownership rights for average Germans. German gun culture at that time was different than America's gun culture today, so expanded gun ownership rights did not result in a huge increase in private gun ownership. The expanded gun ownership rights did not apply to Jews who had been stripped of citizenship, and Germany did seek to disarm the territories they conquered.

As for Free America there were gun control laws in place when this country was founded. There were gun control laws in place when the Second Amendment was adopted. Gun control measures were regularly implemented during the 19th as well as the 20th century. The idea of a U.S. when every person was allowed to freely own and openly carry whatever weapon they wanted is a myth.

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> Your The Nazi Wrote:
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> > >trumptards are nazis ()
> >
> > All libtards that say only the military and
> police
> > should have guns, you belong back in Nazi
> Germany
> > as that's the way they rolled too. Police state
> > libs get the hell out of Free America
>
>
> Nazi Germany expanded gun ownership rights for
> average Germans. German gun culture at that time
> was different than America's gun culture today, so
> expanded gun ownership rights did not result in a
> huge increase in private gun ownership. The
> expanded gun ownership rights did not apply to
> Jews who had been stripped of citizenship, and
> Germany did seek to disarm the territories they
> conquered.
>
> As for Free America there were gun control laws in
> place when this country was founded. There were
> gun control laws in place when the Second
> Amendment was adopted. Gun control measures were
> regularly implemented during the 19th as well as
> the 20th century. The idea of a U.S. when every
> person was allowed to freely own and openly carry
> whatever weapon they wanted is a myth.

I did. You post is bullshit.

Long guns were long cannons used in WW2 and by Saddam that could reach long distances. Like the "big bertha". It could be a rifle like a Creedmore high caliber used by Buffalo hunters.

President Trump FTW! Wrote:
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> Libtards are ranting on the tv about the liberal
> shooter using a long gun, but I’m not sure what
> that means. LOL libtards are losing their minds!


1st you state your ignorance then you use that ignorance as proof liberals are 'losing their minds.' That makes you ignorant and stupid. 'Long gun' is a common term; even those with minimal knowledge of firearms and/or English understand the meaning of 'long gun'

Another mental case on drugs who shouldn't have gun. Yet, NRA is silent about taking guns aways from crazy people.

NRA Gives Guns to Insane Wrote:
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> Another mental case on drugs who shouldn't have
> gun. Yet, NRA is silent about taking guns aways
> from crazy people.


Quite the contrary. Not surprising that uninformed dolts make that claim though.

Since 1966, the National Rifle Association has urged the federal government to address the problem of mental illness and violence. As we noted then, “the time is at hand to seek means by which society can identify, treat and temporarily isolate such individuals,” because “elimination of the instrument by which these crimes are committed cannot arrest the ravages of a psychotic murderer.”

More recently, the NRA has supported legislation to ensure that appropriate records of those who have been judged mentally incompetent or involuntarily committed to mental institutions be made available for use in firearms transfer background checks. The NRA will support any reasonable step to fix America’s broken mental health system without intruding on the constitutional rights of Americans.

you'd be wrong Wrote:
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> NRA Gives Guns to Insane Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Another mental case on drugs who shouldn't have
> > gun. Yet, NRA is silent about taking guns
> aways
> > from crazy people.
>
>
> Quite the contrary. Not surprising that uninformed
> dolts make that claim though.
>
> Since 1966, the National Rifle Association has
> urged the federal government to address the
> problem of mental illness and violence. As we
> noted then, “the time is at hand to seek means
> by which society can identify, treat and
> temporarily isolate such individuals,” because
> “elimination of the instrument by which these
> crimes are committed cannot arrest the ravages of
> a psychotic murderer.”
>
> More recently, the NRA has supported legislation
> to ensure that appropriate records of those who
> have been judged mentally incompetent or
> involuntarily committed to mental institutions be
> made available for use in firearms transfer
> background checks. The NRA will support any
> reasonable step to fix America’s broken mental
> health system without intruding on the
> constitutional rights of Americans.


NRA used to be about the sport and safety. As a young kid I was a member in the 70's and shot competitively. The NRA today in no way resembles the NRA of 1966. In 1966 the NRA supported all kinds of safety measures. Since wayne has been there its a weapon manufacturer lobby group nothing more. Spare us the BS that NRA is behind any regulation of ownership of firearms an also spare us the lie that today's NRA has anything whatsoever to do with the past.

old member Wrote:
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> you'd be wrong Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > NRA Gives Guns to Insane Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Another mental case on drugs who shouldn't
> have
> > > gun. Yet, NRA is silent about taking guns
> > aways
> > > from crazy people.
> >
> >
> > Quite the contrary. Not surprising that
> uninformed
> > dolts make that claim though.
> >
> > Since 1966, the National Rifle Association has
> > urged the federal government to address the
> > problem of mental illness and violence. As we
> > noted then, “the time is at hand to seek
> means
> > by which society can identify, treat and
> > temporarily isolate such individuals,”
> because
> > “elimination of the instrument by which these
> > crimes are committed cannot arrest the ravages
> of
> > a psychotic murderer.”
> >
> > More recently, the NRA has supported
> legislation
> > to ensure that appropriate records of those who
> > have been judged mentally incompetent or
> > involuntarily committed to mental institutions
> be
> > made available for use in firearms transfer
> > background checks. The NRA will support any
> > reasonable step to fix America’s broken
> mental
> > health system without intruding on the
> > constitutional rights of Americans.
>
>
> NRA used to be about the sport and safety. As a
> young kid I was a member in the 70's and shot
> competitively. The NRA today in no way resembles
> the NRA of 1966. In 1966 the NRA supported all
> kinds of safety measures. Since wayne has been
> there its a weapon manufacturer lobby group
> nothing more. Spare us the BS that NRA is behind
> any regulation of ownership of firearms an also
> spare us the lie that today's NRA has anything
> whatsoever to do with the past.


Sure. Sure. I've run into the "I used to be in the NRA" type before. Like you, they claim to be shooters. One question about shooting sports flummoxes them like no tomorrow. I wonder why that is.

You're parroting a talking point that is popular with the anti Second Amendment crowd. Care to explain why the NRA supported the NICS Improvements Amendments Act a decade ago and the Fix NICS Act just this year if they don't support any regulation of firearm ownership?

Quick! Run and see what the Michael Bloomburg websites tell you to say about that. Before that though, you'll probably have to look up and see what those laws are.

Is it because you're too stupid to think for yourself or just to lazy to do your own research that you find yourself in this embarrassing situation?

you'd be wrong too Wrote:
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> old member Wrote:
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> > you'd be wrong Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > NRA Gives Guns to Insane Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Another mental case on drugs who shouldn't
> > have
> > > > gun. Yet, NRA is silent about taking guns
> > > aways
> > > > from crazy people.
> > >
> > >
> > > Quite the contrary. Not surprising that
> > uninformed
> > > dolts make that claim though.
> > >
> > > Since 1966, the National Rifle Association
> has
> > > urged the federal government to address the
> > > problem of mental illness and violence. As we
> > > noted then, “the time is at hand to seek
> > means
> > > by which society can identify, treat and
> > > temporarily isolate such individuals,”
> > because
> > > “elimination of the instrument by which
> these
> > > crimes are committed cannot arrest the
> ravages
> > of
> > > a psychotic murderer.”
> > >
> > > More recently, the NRA has supported
> > legislation
> > > to ensure that appropriate records of those
> who
> > > have been judged mentally incompetent or
> > > involuntarily committed to mental
> institutions
> > be
> > > made available for use in firearms transfer
> > > background checks. The NRA will support any
> > > reasonable step to fix America’s broken
> > mental
> > > health system without intruding on the
> > > constitutional rights of Americans.
> >
> >
> > NRA used to be about the sport and safety. As
> a
> > young kid I was a member in the 70's and shot
> > competitively. The NRA today in no way
> resembles
> > the NRA of 1966. In 1966 the NRA supported all
> > kinds of safety measures. Since wayne has been
> > there its a weapon manufacturer lobby group
> > nothing more. Spare us the BS that NRA is
> behind
> > any regulation of ownership of firearms an also
> > spare us the lie that today's NRA has anything
> > whatsoever to do with the past.
>
>
> Sure. Sure. I've run into the "I used to be in the
> NRA" type before. Like you, they claim to be
> shooters. One question about shooting sports
> flummoxes them like no tomorrow. I wonder why that
> is.
>
> You're parroting a talking point that is popular
> with the anti Second Amendment crowd. Care to
> explain why the NRA supported the NICS
> Improvements Amendments Act a decade ago and the
> Fix NICS Act just this year if they don't support
> any regulation of firearm ownership?
>
> Quick! Run and see what the Michael Bloomburg
> websites tell you to say about that. Before that
> though, you'll probably have to look up and see
> what those laws are.
>
> Is it because you're too stupid to think for
> yourself or just to lazy to do your own research
> that you find yourself in this embarrassing
> situation?


What a petty small person you are. You dont know me. I shot target as a kid - so what? That is what the NRA was then, safety and hunting classes and target. They werent one of the country's most powerful lobby organizations for weapons manufacturers like they are now. Dont try and sell your horse shit about NRA backing meaningful regulations on firearms - that is absurd.

Feel free to sell your bullshit to the feeble and infirm like the NRA does but dont sell that bullshit to me.

um sure Wrote:
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>
> What a petty small person you are. You dont know
> me. I shot target as a kid - so what? That is
> what the NRA was then, safety and hunting classes
> and target. They werent one of the country's most
> powerful lobby organizations for weapons
> manufacturers like they are now. Dont try and
> sell your horse shit about NRA backing meaningful
> regulations on firearms - that is absurd.
>
> Feel free to sell your bullshit to the feeble and
> infirm like the NRA does but dont sell that
> bullshit to me.




What anti-guntards like you don't understand is that the NRA's power is not the money behind it. It's dwarfed by many other groups. Rather, it's the 6 million members who are reliable voters.

Bang Bang
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> >
> > What a petty small person you are. You dont
> know
> > me. I shot target as a kid - so what? That is
> > what the NRA was then, safety and hunting
> classes
> > and target. They werent one of the country's
> most
> > powerful lobby organizations for weapons
> > manufacturers like they are now. Dont try and
> > sell your horse shit about NRA backing
> meaningful
> > regulations on firearms - that is absurd.
> >
> > Feel free to sell your bullshit to the feeble
> and
> > infirm like the NRA does but dont sell that
> > bullshit to me.
>
>
> src="http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2013/06/I-dont-
> believe-you.gif">
>
> What anti-guntards like you don't understand is
> that the NRA's power is not the money behind it.
> It's dwarfed by many other groups. Rather, it's
> the 6 million members who are reliable voters.



I didnt mention money and i quite agree that the power in the NRA is its members. They are universally feared by politicians for activity, fever and devotion to the instructions of the NRA. NRA puts out a directive and the members are on the phones to their reps. They are a political force.

There are any number of sources tracking the change in the NRA that occurred starting in 1977 with Harlon Carter - this was by coincidence the last year of my 3 year membership as a teen. It is hardly remarkable that as I teen I shot target. Lots of kids did this. Tuesday nights at the firing range in the basement of our small town police station.

People like you confuse people like me as anti-gun I am not that. Though I rarely shoot these days I do own firearms (mostly my Dad's and the ones I learned to shoot with growing up). The transformation of the NRA from and education and safety organization to zealots they have become is a shame.

I would encourage anyone seeking firearm safety and target experience to contact Izaak Walton League. Its 6 months to a year waiting list but they are friendly and organized - this is where our local HS team shoots.

all set Wrote:
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> Bullshitski Wrote:
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> > um sure Wrote:
> >
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> > >
> > > What a petty small person you are. You dont
> > know
> > > me. I shot target as a kid - so what? That
> is
> > > what the NRA was then, safety and hunting
> > classes
> > > and target. They werent one of the country's
> > most
> > > powerful lobby organizations for weapons
> > > manufacturers like they are now. Dont try
> and
> > > sell your horse shit about NRA backing
> > meaningful
> > > regulations on firearms - that is absurd.
> > >
> > > Feel free to sell your bullshit to the feeble
> > and
> > > infirm like the NRA does but dont sell that
> > > bullshit to me.
> >
> >
> > >
> src="http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2013/06/I-dont-
>
> > believe-you.gif">
> >
> > What anti-guntards like you don't understand is
> > that the NRA's power is not the money behind it.
>
> > It's dwarfed by many other groups. Rather,
> it's
> > the 6 million members who are reliable voters.
>
>
>
> I didnt mention money and i quite agree that the
> power in the NRA is its members. They are
> universally feared by politicians for activity,
> fever and devotion to the instructions of the NRA.
> NRA puts out a directive and the members are on
> the phones to their reps. They are a political
> force.
>
> There are any number of sources tracking the
> change in the NRA that occurred starting in 1977
> with Harlon Carter - this was by coincidence the
> last year of my 3 year membership as a teen. It is
> hardly remarkable that as I teen I shot target.
> Lots of kids did this. Tuesday nights at the
> firing range in the basement of our small town
> police station.
>
> People like you confuse people like me as anti-gun
> I am not that. Though I rarely shoot these days I
> do own firearms (mostly my Dad's and the ones I
> learned to shoot with growing up). The
> transformation of the NRA from and education and
> safety organization to zealots they have become is
> a shame.
>
> I would encourage anyone seeking firearm safety
> and target experience to contact Izaak Walton
> League. Its 6 months to a year waiting list but
> they are friendly and organized - this is where
> our local HS team shoots.

Do you realize the Izaak Walton League instructors are NRA certified and the organization itself is an NRA affiliate?

R U Serious? Wrote:
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> Do you realize the Izaak Walton League instructors
> are NRA certified and the organization itself is
> an NRA affiliate?


Not to mention the reason that they have to shoot there is that because of the anti-gun nuts there no longer are any ranges in the schools as there used to be.

And he must not be from Fairfax. I don't think any of them still shoot anything other than air rifles.

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> How is a shotgun technically an assault rifle?

You can assault people with it.

All guns need to be banned, confiscate now!

HOW MANY MORE CHILDREN HAVE TO DIE BEFORE YOU ARE WOKE ?!?!?

>Yet, NRA is silent about taking guns aways from crazy people.

That's a lie, The NRA wants mental health info put into the instant check system to deny sale to mental cases, its you libtards that "RESIST" that

Its also you libtards that are silent about marijuana users buying guns although they cant under federal law even if its medical marijuana, and too many criminals are drug users

You'll lie your asses of for a vote despite how shitty the position your supporting, pathetic

Americans are not democrats. Besides all the other rights liberals want to deny human beings from having, they want to deny all humans the one basic right that makes us human. Life.

Just look at Maryland In DC, In any lib controlled state where people cower under desks or resturauant tables in the liberal no hope zones, at least in Virginia with a CCW you and your family have a fighting chance to live when killers attack

Why do libs stack the deck against the law abiding and aid the criminals ? That's Insane! But its reality in the liberal no hope zones, of course the lib politicians and judges all have the armed bodyguards CCW's and the guns but not the law abiding citizens ! The Liberal HYPOCRITES !

Crime in Maryland and D.C. is caused by Virginia, where criminals go to obtain their guns.

There's absolutely no way to prevent people from buying guns, as long as
there are guns that can be bought. It is impossible to screen out the
mentally ill people beforehand. The only solution is to remove guns from
the equation. All guns need to be confiscated, the penalty for posession
should be severe (life imprisonment), and the reward for turning in a
gun hider should be generous ($200,000 / gun found). No warrants needed
to search for guns, but only evidence of guns is then admissible.
For people turning in their guns during the year of the The Great Turn,
fair compensation (based on list 2017 list price from vendors and trders).
Penalty for dealing in guns: life imprisonment hard time with no parole.

No personal manufacturing, either. Can't prevent people from getting the
tools and info for making guns. But, see Possession above.
Manufacturing gets the same penalty as Dealing: life, for real.

2nd Amendment of course will have to be repealed.
It makes no sense in the modern world.
Society's compelling interest trumps 1700s primitive fears, every time.


Vote DEMOCRAT in the upoming elections and in all elections.
We will get it done, even if it takes decades doing it bit-by-bit.
Save the children, save the future.

#GrabGunsNotPussys

May have to implement The Great Turn without Constitutional involvement.
People will scream about 2A and 4A but let them scream.

Yes, I'm talking about something like martial law, but you can't
declare martial law in the whole country without freaking everyone out.

You just do it gradually, going town to town. Use the armed federal
agencies. You'll get cooperations from most local authorities.
Officials who do not cooperate can be detained in a nice (gilded) prison
somewhere in the middle of Wyoming or whatever until it's safe for them
to return. Ignore all hue and cry from whiners, ignore all court action.
Nobody even needs to show up for those pointless arguments.
The federal government has more than enough firepower to go town to town
and do what needs to be done. There is plenty of reserve power to deal
with any ensuing domestic terrorists who try to revolt. Bring in as much
military equipment as needed. Probably won't need actual military,
but if push comes to shove, with local "militia" resisting, take them out.

It might even be a Republican president who sees the light.
Someone moderate, someone who cares about the children and about the
non-violent future of our great country.

Did you know that in Britain, most police do not even have any guns?
(They have SWAT teams for emergencies with gun-toting terror-types.)
There will always be guns, because people will smuggle them in and
hide them. But they will be expensive and hard to get.
Do you know why?
Because we will BuILD A WALL, a high-tech wall, with killer drones,
and that will pretty much solve the gun import problem,
along with a few other problems.

It's a huge logistical undertaking, a huge expense, a unilateral change
to some very old established laws, and a commitment forever.
It's well worth it.

A safer world, free of gun violence, free of crazy people shooting everyone,
a world where children are allowed to grow up without getting killed.


Not the land of the Scared and Armed.
The Land Of The Free.

#GrabGunsNotPussys Wrote:
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> Crime in Maryland and D.C. is caused by Virginia,
> where criminals go to obtain their guns.
>


So if guns are the source of the problem...

And Virginia has relatively easy access to LOTS of guns...

As well as a much larger population so any basic numbers effect would be larger...

Why doesn't Virginia have the same problem?

#TheQuestionTheyCantAnswer Wrote:
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> #GrabGunsNotPussys Wrote:
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> > Crime in Maryland and D.C. is caused by
> Virginia,
> > where criminals go to obtain their guns.
> >
>
>
> So if guns are the source of the problem...
>
> And Virginia has relatively easy access to LOTS of
> guns...
>
> As well as a much larger population so any basic
> numbers effect would be larger...
>
> Why doesn't Virginia have the same problem?


Niggers are the X-factor. More niggers in DC and Maryland compared to the commonwealth.

Mike O’Meara Show Fan Wrote:
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> #TheQuestionTheyCantAnswer Wrote:
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> > #GrabGunsNotPussys Wrote:
> >
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> > -----
> > > Crime in Maryland and D.C. is caused by
> > Virginia,
> > > where criminals go to obtain their guns.
> > >
> >
> >
> > So if guns are the source of the problem...
> >
> > And Virginia has relatively easy access to LOTS
> of
> > guns...
> >
> > As well as a much larger population so any
> basic
> > numbers effect would be larger...
> >
> > Why doesn't Virginia have the same problem?
>
>
> Niggers are the X-factor. More niggers in DC and
> Maryland compared to the commonwealth.


No hints.

"Long gun" is shorthand for "Long Gone Gun", and refers to a type
of weapon that will be impossible for anyone to obtain.
It's a historical term.

Hunters and Shooters will be allowed to rent many kinds of guns at designated
hunting and shooting preserves. The government will run these, at a profit.
Reasonable fees because we want lots of customers. Extraordinarily controlled
institutions, little chance of violence, no chance of stealing the guns.
Punch holes in paper, assault helpless deer from a tree stand, murder little
yellow duckies, or whatever to your heart's content. Meat processing is
available on site, and you can take it home or donate to the food bank there.
National target shooting contests run by the NRA can be held there, etc.

In neighborhoods, deer will be controlled by licensed bow hunters.
On farms, Government coyote management teams will have guns and other countermeasures.

For those living in the wilderness, well, you're kinda out of luck.
But that's not many people, and Alaska will have fucking melted
by then anyway, so who wants to live in the mud? LOL

sort of like hu flung pu.

#TheQuestionTheyCantAnswer Wrote:
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> Why doesn't Virginia have the same problem?

Virginia Tech
Appalachian School of Law
Appomattox 2010
CIA Headquarters
Alexandria Congressional Baseball
Smith Mountain Lake (WDBJ)

just to name a few.

Also, any day of the week on Route 1 in Fairfax County (Alexandria/Lorton) LOL.
There are shootings all over Fairfax all the damn time.
I myself have been shot at in Bailey's Crossroads.
Read the paper much?

By the way, they are about to decide whether Lee Malvo is to be
freed from prison from shooting people all over the area.

Oh, no, we're all safe here in Virginia, from the cities to the mountains!

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> #TheQuestionTheyCantAnswer Wrote:
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> > Why doesn't Virginia have the same problem?
>
> Virginia Tech
> Appalachian School of Law
> Appomattox 2010
> CIA Headquarters
> Alexandria Congressional Baseball
> Smith Mountain Lake (WDBJ)
>
> just to name a few.
>
> Also, any day of the week on Route 1 in Fairfax
> County (Alexandria/Lorton) LOL. <<< Bullshit
> There are shootings all over Fairfax all the damn
> time. <<< Bullshit
> I myself have been shot at in Bailey's
> Crossroads. <<< Bullshit
> Read the paper much?
>
> By the way, they are about to decide whether Lee
> Malvo is to be
> freed from prison from shooting people all over
> the area.
>
> Oh, no, we're all safe here in Virginia, from the
> cities to the mountains!


Not even close. Especially on a per capita basis.

Maryland
Total firearm deaths 2016: 707 (suicides: 251, homicides: 436)
Violent crime rate: 472.0 per 100,000 (11th highest)

Virginia
Total firearm deaths 2016: 1049 (suicides: 671, homicides: 353)
Violent crime rate: 217.6 per 100,000 (4th lowest)

DC
134 gun homicides for a population of only 600K.

And if you look at where those happen, most in MD and Va are in urban areas like Baltimore and Richmond.

#GrabGunsNotPussys Wrote:
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> wmw Wrote:
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> > How is a shotgun technically an assault rifle?
>
> You can assault people with it.
>
> All guns need to be banned, confiscate now!
>
> HOW MANY MORE CHILDREN HAVE TO DIE BEFORE YOU ARE
> WOKE ?!?!?

If you don't know the difference between a shotgun and an assault rifle you're
either lying or incapable. Seek professional help as soon as possible.

Balls deep with my long gun.
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vd334 Wrote:
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> R U Serious? Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > Do you realize the Izaak Walton League
> instructors
> > are NRA certified and the organization itself
> is
> > an NRA affiliate?
>
>
> Not to mention the reason that they have to shoot
> there is that because of the anti-gun nuts there
> no longer are any ranges in the schools as there
> used to be.
>
> And he must not be from Fairfax. I don't think
> any of them still shoot anything other than air
> rifles.

1. yes I realize NRA certifies instructors.

2. yes I know air target shooting is the sport HS participates in (and is an olympic event by the way). I used a .22 - not a lot of stopping power in that either. Target isnt the same as emptying your AR toy on washing machines at the dump. Its about discipline, accuracy and consistency. People who never shot target imagine Rambo, its not that at all - its about concentration and physical control not the bluster or crude power someone prone to deride air rifles is likely to comprehend.

3. Its possible to understand firearms, be trained with firearms and be highly proficient with firearms and still be an advocate for restrictions on them. There is nothing 'nutty' being an advocate for regulating firearms either.

4. There are plenty of ranges; its not popular enough to justify the expense and liability in Fairfax Schools. By the way air target can be quite expensive for the HS student. Good air target rifles cost upwards of 2k dollars and the jackets can be half that much.

5. You sound like the type of person that owns guns and thinks that that makes you an expert or more to the point means you know more than anyone else - from all appearances in this conversation I dont believe that is the truth.

>Crime in Maryland and D.C. is caused by Virginia, where criminals go to obtain their guns.

^^ Idiot liberal anti self defense liar ^^

Crime is higher in Md and DC because that's where criminal drugged Democrats are in mass, Knives guns baseball bats ice picks liquor bottles what ever they get their hands on or just their hands on your throat

>Penalty for dealing in guns: life imprisonment hard time with no parole.

And that will go over so well ah NAZI ? Even all Democrats are with you huh! LOL!

You need to be institutionalized for life to protect yourself and society from your disturbed mind

I believe citizens have the right to own any weapon in a well regulated militia. Tanks, missiles, subs, land mines the whole deal as long as they can be maintained and controlled safely in a militia. Simply put your neighborhood civic association, should it have the means, could have a militia with everything it can fund, maintain and control. Fighter and bomber jets if it has the money.

Firearms at home should be limited to sidearms limited to 6 rounds per mag, shotguns limited to 6 shells and bolt action rifles. Need more go to the militia. I believe that is what the founders intended.

Go bact to bolt action only Wrote:
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> vd334 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > R U Serious? Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> >
> > > Do you realize the Izaak Walton League
> > instructors
> > > are NRA certified and the organization itself
> > is
> > > an NRA affiliate?
> >
> >
> > Not to mention the reason that they have to
> shoot
> > there is that because of the anti-gun nuts
> there
> > no longer are any ranges in the schools as
> there
> > used to be.
> >
> > And he must not be from Fairfax. I don't think
> > any of them still shoot anything other than air
> > rifles.
>
> 1. yes I realize NRA certifies instructors.

But apparently you didn't realize that Izaak Walton is closely associated with the NRA; otherwise, there would be no reason to suggest it as an alternative as you did.

And contrary to your characterization, the NRA's basic positions have not changed in any significant way since the 1930s when modern gun regulation began. You seem to be relying on some dopey articles that were written taking bits of statements out of context claiming so.

>
> 2. yes I know air target shooting is the sport HS
> participates in (and is an olympic event by the
> way). I used a .22 - not a lot of stopping power
> in that either. Target isnt the same as emptying
> your AR toy on washing machines at the dump. Its
> about discipline, accuracy and consistency.
> People who never shot target imagine Rambo, its
> not that at all - its about concentration and
> physical control not the bluster or crude power
> someone prone to deride air rifles is likely to
> comprehend.

Unlike you as it appears, I actually did shoot competitively for many years so I'm very well aware of what's involved in target shooting. There was no derision of air rifles in my post. Rather, that among other indications in your posts, call into question your statement that Izaak Walton "...is where our local HS team shoots." Makes no sense to go there if they're shooting air.

>
> 3. Its possible to understand firearms, be trained
> with firearms and be highly proficient with
> firearms and still be an advocate for restrictions
> on them. There is nothing 'nutty' being an
> advocate for regulating firearms either.

True, but you appear to be just parroting talking points. What SPECIFICALLY are you suggesting that isn't already regulated?

>
> 4. There are plenty of ranges; its not popular
> enough to justify the expense and liability in
> Fairfax Schools. By the way air target can be
> quite expensive for the HS student. Good air
> target rifles cost upwards of 2k dollars and the
> jackets can be half that much.

See above. I'm very familiar with both air and standard target rifles. I have both including Anschutz, Remington 40Xs, Winchester 52s, and various others.

> 5. You sound like the type of person that owns
> guns and thinks that that makes you an expert or
> more to the point means you know more than anyone
> else - from all appearances in this conversation I
> dont believe that is the truth.

No, I was just calling you out because you come off as being full of shit. You sound like someone who shot a .22 a few times and is trying to pass themselves off, as someone else said above, as the typical "I used to be in the NRA but now..." bullshitter. You're not the first and it's rather easy to pick up on.

um sure Wrote:
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> you'd be wrong too Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > old member Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > you'd be wrong Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > NRA Gives Guns to Insane Wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > > -----
> > > > > Another mental case on drugs who
> shouldn't
> > > have
> > > > > gun. Yet, NRA is silent about taking
> guns
> > > > aways
> > > > > from crazy people.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Quite the contrary. Not surprising that
> > > uninformed
> > > > dolts make that claim though.
> > > >
> > > > Since 1966, the National Rifle Association
> > has
> > > > urged the federal government to address the
> > > > problem of mental illness and violence. As
> we
> > > > noted then, “the time is at hand to seek
> > > means
> > > > by which society can identify, treat and
> > > > temporarily isolate such individuals,”
> > > because
> > > > “elimination of the instrument by which
> > these
> > > > crimes are committed cannot arrest the
> > ravages
> > > of
> > > > a psychotic murderer.”
> > > >
> > > > More recently, the NRA has supported
> > > legislation
> > > > to ensure that appropriate records of those
> > who
> > > > have been judged mentally incompetent or
> > > > involuntarily committed to mental
> > institutions
> > > be
> > > > made available for use in firearms transfer
> > > > background checks. The NRA will support any
> > > > reasonable step to fix America’s broken
> > > mental
> > > > health system without intruding on the
> > > > constitutional rights of Americans.
> > >
> > >
> > > NRA used to be about the sport and safety.
> As
> > a
> > > young kid I was a member in the 70's and shot
> > > competitively. The NRA today in no way
> > resembles
> > > the NRA of 1966. In 1966 the NRA supported
> all
> > > kinds of safety measures. Since wayne has
> been
> > > there its a weapon manufacturer lobby group
> > > nothing more. Spare us the BS that NRA is
> > behind
> > > any regulation of ownership of firearms an
> also
> > > spare us the lie that today's NRA has
> anything
> > > whatsoever to do with the past.
> >
> >
> > Sure. Sure. I've run into the "I used to be in
> the
> > NRA" type before. Like you, they claim to be
> > shooters. One question about shooting sports
> > flummoxes them like no tomorrow. I wonder why
> that
> > is.
> >
> > You're parroting a talking point that is
> popular
> > with the anti Second Amendment crowd. Care to
> > explain why the NRA supported the NICS
> > Improvements Amendments Act a decade ago and
> the
> > Fix NICS Act just this year if they don't
> support
> > any regulation of firearm ownership?
> >
> > Quick! Run and see what the Michael Bloomburg
> > websites tell you to say about that. Before
> that
> > though, you'll probably have to look up and see
> > what those laws are.
> >
> > Is it because you're too stupid to think for
> > yourself or just to lazy to do your own
> research
> > that you find yourself in this embarrassing
> > situation?
>
>
> What a petty small person you are. You dont know
> me. I shot target as a kid - so what? That is
> what the NRA was then, safety and hunting classes
> and target. They werent one of the country's most
> powerful lobby organizations for weapons
> manufacturers like they are now. Dont try and
> sell your horse shit about NRA backing meaningful
> regulations on firearms - that is absurd.
>
> Feel free to sell your bullshit to the feeble and
> infirm like the NRA does but dont sell that
> bullshit to me.

What a pathetically weak response. You still dinnt explain why the NRA supported the NICS Improvements Amendments Act a decade ago and the Fix NICS Act just this year if they don't support any regulation of firearm ownership?

Until you can answer that very basic question, your assertions are less than hogwash.

What's the problem? Are there no good talking points on the Bloomburg still sites on this matter?

Go bact to bolt action only Wrote:
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> vd334 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > R U Serious? Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> >
> > > Do you realize the Izaak Walton League
> > instructors
> > > are NRA certified and the organization itself
> > is
> > > an NRA affiliate?
> >
> >
> > Not to mention the reason that they have to
> shoot
> > there is that because of the anti-gun nuts
> there
> > no longer are any ranges in the schools as
> there
> > used to be.
> >
> > And he must not be from Fairfax. I don't think
> > any of them still shoot anything other than air
> > rifles.
>
> 1. yes I realize NRA certifies instructors.
>
> 2. yes I know air target shooting is the sport HS
> participates in (and is an olympic event by the
> way). I used a .22 - not a lot of stopping power
> in that either. Target isnt the same as emptying
> your AR toy on washing machines at the dump. Its
> about discipline, accuracy and consistency.
> People who never shot target imagine Rambo, its
> not that at all - its about concentration and
> physical control not the bluster or crude power
> someone prone to deride air rifles is likely to
> comprehend.
>
> 3. Its possible to understand firearms, be trained
> with firearms and be highly proficient with
> firearms and still be an advocate for restrictions
> on them. There is nothing 'nutty' being an
> advocate for regulating firearms either.
>
> 4. There are plenty of ranges; its not popular
> enough to justify the expense and liability in
> Fairfax Schools. By the way air target can be
> quite expensive for the HS student. Good air
> target rifles cost upwards of 2k dollars and the
> jackets can be half that much.
>
> 5. You sound like the type of person that owns
> guns and thinks that that makes you an expert or
> more to the point means you know more than anyone
> else - from all appearances in this conversation I
> dont believe that is the truth.

Owning guns doesn't make anyone an expert on anything but I've done
my homework for being an NRA activist/recruiter for over 35 years.
I attend activist seminars hosted by the CCRKBA and do a lot or reading
and research.

My dad taught me to shoot when I was about 10 years old and I subscribed
to magazines such as Guns & Ammo. The Army taught me how to shoot an M-14,
M-16 and the M1911. I taught my kids to shoot at the Izaak Walton League
in Centreville and someday I hope to take my grandchildren there too and
carry on the family tradition. Please tell me about your background. :)

R U Serious? Wrote:
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> Go bact to bolt action only Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > vd334 Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > R U Serious? Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > >
> > > > Do you realize the Izaak Walton League
> > > instructors
> > > > are NRA certified and the organization
> itself
> > > is
> > > > an NRA affiliate?
> > >
> > >
> > > Not to mention the reason that they have to
> > shoot
> > > there is that because of the anti-gun nuts
> > there
> > > no longer are any ranges in the schools as
> > there
> > > used to be.
> > >
> > > And he must not be from Fairfax. I don't
> think
> > > any of them still shoot anything other than
> air
> > > rifles.
> >
> > 1. yes I realize NRA certifies instructors.
> >
> > 2. yes I know air target shooting is the sport
> HS
> > participates in (and is an olympic event by the
> > way). I used a .22 - not a lot of stopping
> power
> > in that either. Target isnt the same as
> emptying
> > your AR toy on washing machines at the dump.
> Its
> > about discipline, accuracy and consistency.
> > People who never shot target imagine Rambo, its
> > not that at all - its about concentration and
> > physical control not the bluster or crude power
> > someone prone to deride air rifles is likely to
> > comprehend.
> >
> > 3. Its possible to understand firearms, be
> trained
> > with firearms and be highly proficient with
> > firearms and still be an advocate for
> restrictions
> > on them. There is nothing 'nutty' being an
> > advocate for regulating firearms either.
> >
> > 4. There are plenty of ranges; its not popular
> > enough to justify the expense and liability in
> > Fairfax Schools. By the way air target can be
> > quite expensive for the HS student. Good air
> > target rifles cost upwards of 2k dollars and
> the
> > jackets can be half that much.
> >
> > 5. You sound like the type of person that owns
> > guns and thinks that that makes you an expert
> or
> > more to the point means you know more than
> anyone
> > else - from all appearances in this conversation
> I
> > dont believe that is the truth.
>
> Owning guns doesn't make anyone an expert on
> anything but I've done
> my homework for being an NRA activist/recruiter
> for over 35 years.
> I attend activist seminars hosted by the CCRKBA
> and do a lot or reading
> and research.
>
> My dad taught me to shoot when I was about 10
> years old and I subscribed
> to magazines such as Guns & Ammo. The Army taught
> me how to shoot an M-14,
> M-16 and the M1911. I taught my kids to shoot at
> the Izaak Walton League
> in Centreville and someday I hope to take my
> grandchildren there too and
> carry on the family tradition. Please tell me
> about your background. :)

So what is your point? If you have the experience you say you do you would understand the value of target competition with air rifles and not disparage same. Moreover, you would understand the challenges and expense of maintaining ranges within an already stretched school budget within Fairfax. Finally you would not join in criticizing the somewhat banal fact that I shot target in high school - its nothing special.

BTW I started shooting at age 7 with my dad's .22 rabbit gun and his 12 gauge. Ill admit I needed my dad behind my shoulder to help me with the shotgun in the early years. Yes Ive been a member of Isaac Walton in Centerville, yes I taught my kids to shoot there. So what?

Firearms are tools nothing more. I no more fetishize them than I do my drill or chainsaw. Im always in the back of the group going to the duck blind - anyone can own a firearm but its frightening how poorly trained most people are. I believe we should have mandatory training and continuing education and training for firearm ownership. I believe we should have strict enforcement of sales and ownership and restrictions on who can own and operate firearms.

trumptards are nazis Wrote:
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> Technically they are assault rifles. The only
> people who "need" them are NRA neo-nazi
> terrorists.

Assault rifles are full auto capable. Another know-nothing with an opinion based on nothing. Kiss your Mom for me.

#GrabGunsNotPussys Wrote:
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> wmw Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > How is a shotgun technically an assault rifle?
>
> You can assault people with it.
>
> All guns need to be banned, confiscate now!
>
> HOW MANY MORE CHILDREN HAVE TO DIE BEFORE YOU ARE
> WOKE ?!?!?


Nice post, Debbie. Now GFY.

you'd be wrong Wrote:
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> um sure Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
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> > you'd be wrong too Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > old member Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > you'd be wrong Wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > > -----
> > > > > NRA Gives Guns to Insane Wrote:
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > -----
> > > > > > Another mental case on drugs who
> > shouldn't
> > > > have
> > > > > > gun. Yet, NRA is silent about taking
> > guns
> > > > > aways
> > > > > > from crazy people.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Quite the contrary. Not surprising that
> > > > uninformed
> > > > > dolts make that claim though.
> > > > >
> > > > > Since 1966, the National Rifle
> Association
> > > has
> > > > > urged the federal government to address
> the
> > > > > problem of mental illness and violence.
> As
> > we
> > > > > noted then, “the time is at hand to
> seek
> > > > means
> > > > > by which society can identify, treat and
> > > > > temporarily isolate such individuals,”
> > > > because
> > > > > “elimination of the instrument by which
> > > these
> > > > > crimes are committed cannot arrest the
> > > ravages
> > > > of
> > > > > a psychotic murderer.”
> > > > >
> > > > > More recently, the NRA has supported
> > > > legislation
> > > > > to ensure that appropriate records of
> those
> > > who
> > > > > have been judged mentally incompetent or
> > > > > involuntarily committed to mental
> > > institutions
> > > > be
> > > > > made available for use in firearms
> transfer
> > > > > background checks. The NRA will support
> any
> > > > > reasonable step to fix America’s broken
> > > > mental
> > > > > health system without intruding on the
> > > > > constitutional rights of Americans.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > NRA used to be about the sport and safety.
> > As
> > > a
> > > > young kid I was a member in the 70's and
> shot
> > > > competitively. The NRA today in no way
> > > resembles
> > > > the NRA of 1966. In 1966 the NRA supported
> > all
> > > > kinds of safety measures. Since wayne has
> > been
> > > > there its a weapon manufacturer lobby group
> > > > nothing more. Spare us the BS that NRA is
> > > behind
> > > > any regulation of ownership of firearms an
> > also
> > > > spare us the lie that today's NRA has
> > anything
> > > > whatsoever to do with the past.
> > >
> > >
> > > Sure. Sure. I've run into the "I used to be
> in
> > the
> > > NRA" type before. Like you, they claim to be
> > > shooters. One question about shooting sports
> > > flummoxes them like no tomorrow. I wonder why
> > that
> > > is.
> > >
> > > You're parroting a talking point that is
> > popular
> > > with the anti Second Amendment crowd. Care to
> > > explain why the NRA supported the NICS
> > > Improvements Amendments Act a decade ago and
> > the
> > > Fix NICS Act just this year if they don't
> > support
> > > any regulation of firearm ownership?
> > >
> > > Quick! Run and see what the Michael Bloomburg
> > > websites tell you to say about that. Before
> > that
> > > though, you'll probably have to look up and
> see
> > > what those laws are.
> > >
> > > Is it because you're too stupid to think for
> > > yourself or just to lazy to do your own
> > research
> > > that you find yourself in this embarrassing
> > > situation?
> >
> >
> > What a petty small person you are. You dont
> know
> > me. I shot target as a kid - so what? That is
> > what the NRA was then, safety and hunting
> classes
> > and target. They werent one of the country's
> most
> > powerful lobby organizations for weapons
> > manufacturers like they are now. Dont try and
> > sell your horse shit about NRA backing
> meaningful
> > regulations on firearms - that is absurd.
> >
> > Feel free to sell your bullshit to the feeble
> and
> > infirm like the NRA does but dont sell that
> > bullshit to me.
>
> What a pathetically weak response. You still dinnt
> explain why the NRA supported the NICS
> Improvements Amendments Act a decade ago and the
> Fix NICS Act just this year if they don't support
> any regulation of firearm ownership?
>
> Until you can answer that very basic question,
> your assertions are less than hogwash.
>
> What's the problem? Are there no good talking
> points on the Bloomburg still sites on this
> matter?

Notice how he ducked this question like a coward.

soap box Wrote:
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>
> So what is your point? If you have the experience
> you say you do you would understand the value of
> target competition with air rifles and not
> disparage same. Moreover, you would understand
> the challenges and expense of maintaining ranges
> within an already stretched school budget within
> Fairfax. Finally you would not join in
> criticizing the somewhat banal fact that I shot
> target in high school - its nothing special.
>
> BTW I started shooting at age 7 with my dad's .22
> rabbit gun and his 12 gauge. Ill admit I needed
> my dad behind my shoulder to help me with the
> shotgun in the early years. Yes Ive been a member
> of Isaac Walton in Centerville, yes I taught my
> kids to shoot there. So what?
>
> Firearms are tools nothing more. I no more
> fetishize them than I do my drill or chainsaw. Im
> always in the back of the group going to the duck
> blind - anyone can own a firearm but its
> frightening how poorly trained most people are. I
> believe we should have mandatory training and
> continuing education and training for firearm
> ownership. I believe we should have strict
> enforcement of sales and ownership and
> restrictions on who can own and operate firearms.


First, you're confusing posts by different people. There are several calling out your obvious bs.

AGAIN, nobody said anything about air rifles other than it completely blew your bs about Izaak Walton being "...where our local HS team shoots." Makes no sense to go there if they're shooting air. So now you try to ignore that fuck up and go off on some tangent as bullshitters always do.

If you shot competitively in high school, what event(s) and in what class? What was the ordering of targets and what is a typical score for individual targets and a match. Which specific rifle(s) did you shoot and what sights? No these are not things that you'd forget if you shot at a high school level. Don't even bother to try to Google up some shit since it will be obvious that you did.

Also very doubtful that you were ever a member of Isaac Walton. It's not something that you join just to teach your kids to shoot.

The problem with mandatory training, which I have no real objection to, is that as DC, IL, NJ, CA, and other examples have shown, it is used simply as a way to deny ownership. And if it were required. guess who would be the most likely source for that training? lol

soap box Wrote:
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> R U Serious? Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Go bact to bolt action only Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > vd334 Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > R U Serious? Wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > > -----
> > > >
> > > > > Do you realize the Izaak Walton League
> > > > instructors
> > > > > are NRA certified and the organization
> > itself
> > > > is
> > > > > an NRA affiliate?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Not to mention the reason that they have to
> > > shoot
> > > > there is that because of the anti-gun nuts
> > > there
> > > > no longer are any ranges in the schools as
> > > there
> > > > used to be.
> > > >
> > > > And he must not be from Fairfax. I don't
> > think
> > > > any of them still shoot anything other than
> > air
> > > > rifles.
> > >
> > > 1. yes I realize NRA certifies instructors.
> > >
> > > 2. yes I know air target shooting is the
> sport
> > HS
> > > participates in (and is an olympic event by
> the
> > > way). I used a .22 - not a lot of stopping
> > power
> > > in that either. Target isnt the same as
> > emptying
> > > your AR toy on washing machines at the dump.
> > Its
> > > about discipline, accuracy and consistency.
> > > People who never shot target imagine Rambo,
> its
> > > not that at all - its about concentration and
> > > physical control not the bluster or crude
> power
> > > someone prone to deride air rifles is likely
> to
> > > comprehend.
> > >
> > > 3. Its possible to understand firearms, be
> > trained
> > > with firearms and be highly proficient with
> > > firearms and still be an advocate for
> > restrictions
> > > on them. There is nothing 'nutty' being an
> > > advocate for regulating firearms either.
> > >
> > > 4. There are plenty of ranges; its not
> popular
> > > enough to justify the expense and liability
> in
> > > Fairfax Schools. By the way air target can
> be
> > > quite expensive for the HS student. Good air
> > > target rifles cost upwards of 2k dollars and
> > the
> > > jackets can be half that much.
> > >
> > > 5. You sound like the type of person that
> owns
> > > guns and thinks that that makes you an expert
> > or
> > > more to the point means you know more than
> > anyone
> > > else - from all appearances in this
> conversation
> > I
> > > dont believe that is the truth.
> >
> > Owning guns doesn't make anyone an expert on
> > anything but I've done
> > my homework for being an NRA activist/recruiter
> > for over 35 years.
> > I attend activist seminars hosted by the CCRKBA
> > and do a lot or reading
> > and research.
> >
> > My dad taught me to shoot when I was about 10
> > years old and I subscribed
> > to magazines such as Guns & Ammo. The Army
> taught
> > me how to shoot an M-14,
> > M-16 and the M1911. I taught my kids to shoot
> at
> > the Izaak Walton League
> > in Centreville and someday I hope to take my
> > grandchildren there too and
> > carry on the family tradition. Please tell me
> > about your background. :)
>
> So what is your point? If you have the experience
> you say you do you would understand the value of
> target competition with air rifles and not
> disparage same. Moreover, you would understand
> the challenges and expense of maintaining ranges
> within an already stretched school budget within
> Fairfax. Finally you would not join in
> criticizing the somewhat banal fact that I shot
> target in high school - its nothing special.
>
> BTW I started shooting at age 7 with my dad's .22
> rabbit gun and his 12 gauge. Ill admit I needed
> my dad behind my shoulder to help me with the
> shotgun in the early years. Yes Ive been a member
> of Isaac Walton in Centerville, yes I taught my
> kids to shoot there. So what?
>
> Firearms are tools nothing more. I no more
> fetishize them than I do my drill or chainsaw. Im
> always in the back of the group going to the duck
> blind - anyone can own a firearm but its
> frightening how poorly trained most people are. I
> believe we should have mandatory training and
> continuing education and training for firearm
> ownership. I believe we should have strict
> enforcement of sales and ownership and
> restrictions on who can own and operate firearms.


> > > 5. You sound like the type of person that
> owns
> > > guns and thinks that that makes you an expert
> > or
> > > more to the point means you know more than
> > anyone
> > > else - from all appearances in this
> conversation
> > I
> > > dont believe that is the truth.
> >

First of all, I didn't say anything about air rifles but I can
imagine the reaction from snowflake parents storming a school board
meeting if such a proposal were made. As far as the requirements you
suggest for firearms ownership, what you're describing is a police
state. one step at a time.

The Violence Policy Center (Brach Bunch) has taken an incremental approach
and they eventually want to ban all firearms for private citizens and thanks
to their funding by Soros, continue spewing their lies and hatred. Seems like
you're reading out of their playbook.

R U Serious? Wrote:
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> they eventually want to ban all firearms for private citizens and thanks
> to their funding by Soros, continue spewing their lies and hatred.
> Seems like you're reading out of their playbook.

No response to the common sense proposals, just ad hominem.

You say you can't feel free without a gun.
I think that's just YOUR problem.
How's that for a response in kind?

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> > R U Serious? Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Go bact to bolt action only Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > vd334 Wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > > -----
> > > > > R U Serious? Wrote:
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > -----
> > > > >
> > > > > > Do you realize the Izaak Walton League
> > > > > instructors
> > > > > > are NRA certified and the organization
> > > itself
> > > > > is
> > > > > > an NRA affiliate?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Not to mention the reason that they have
> to
> > > > shoot
> > > > > there is that because of the anti-gun
> nuts
> > > > there
> > > > > no longer are any ranges in the schools
> as
> > > > there
> > > > > used to be.
> > > > >
> > > > > And he must not be from Fairfax. I don't
> > > think
> > > > > any of them still shoot anything other
> than
> > > air
> > > > > rifles.
> > > >
> > > > 1. yes I realize NRA certifies instructors.
> > > >
> > > > 2. yes I know air target shooting is the
> > sport
> > > HS
> > > > participates in (and is an olympic event by
> > the
> > > > way). I used a .22 - not a lot of stopping
> > > power
> > > > in that either. Target isnt the same as
> > > emptying
> > > > your AR toy on washing machines at the dump.
>
> > > Its
> > > > about discipline, accuracy and consistency.
>
> > > > People who never shot target imagine Rambo,
> > its
> > > > not that at all - its about concentration
> and
> > > > physical control not the bluster or crude
> > power
> > > > someone prone to deride air rifles is
> likely
> > to
> > > > comprehend.
> > > >
> > > > 3. Its possible to understand firearms, be
> > > trained
> > > > with firearms and be highly proficient with
> > > > firearms and still be an advocate for
> > > restrictions
> > > > on them. There is nothing 'nutty' being an
> > > > advocate for regulating firearms either.
> > > >
> > > > 4. There are plenty of ranges; its not
> > popular
> > > > enough to justify the expense and liability
> > in
> > > > Fairfax Schools. By the way air target can
> > be
> > > > quite expensive for the HS student. Good
> air
> > > > target rifles cost upwards of 2k dollars
> and
> > > the
> > > > jackets can be half that much.
> > > >
> > > > 5. You sound like the type of person that
> > owns
> > > > guns and thinks that that makes you an
> expert
> > > or
> > > > more to the point means you know more than
> > > anyone
> > > > else - from all appearances in this
> > conversation
> > > I
> > > > dont believe that is the truth.
> > >
> > > Owning guns doesn't make anyone an expert on
> > > anything but I've done
> > > my homework for being an NRA
> activist/recruiter
> > > for over 35 years.
> > > I attend activist seminars hosted by the
> CCRKBA
> > > and do a lot or reading
> > > and research.
> > >
> > > My dad taught me to shoot when I was about 10
> > > years old and I subscribed
> > > to magazines such as Guns & Ammo. The Army
> > taught
> > > me how to shoot an M-14,
> > > M-16 and the M1911. I taught my kids to shoot
> > at
> > > the Izaak Walton League
> > > in Centreville and someday I hope to take my
> > > grandchildren there too and
> > > carry on the family tradition. Please tell me
> > > about your background. :)
> >
> > So what is your point? If you have the
> experience
> > you say you do you would understand the value
> of
> > target competition with air rifles and not
> > disparage same. Moreover, you would understand
> > the challenges and expense of maintaining
> ranges
> > within an already stretched school budget
> within
> > Fairfax. Finally you would not join in
> > criticizing the somewhat banal fact that I shot
> > target in high school - its nothing special.
> >
> > BTW I started shooting at age 7 with my dad's
> .22
> > rabbit gun and his 12 gauge. Ill admit I
> needed
> > my dad behind my shoulder to help me with the
> > shotgun in the early years. Yes Ive been a
> member
> > of Isaac Walton in Centerville, yes I taught my
> > kids to shoot there. So what?
> >
> > Firearms are tools nothing more. I no more
> > fetishize them than I do my drill or chainsaw.
> Im
> > always in the back of the group going to the
> duck
> > blind - anyone can own a firearm but its
> > frightening how poorly trained most people are.
> I
> > believe we should have mandatory training and
> > continuing education and training for firearm
> > ownership. I believe we should have strict
> > enforcement of sales and ownership and
> > restrictions on who can own and operate
> firearms.
>
>
> > > > 5. You sound like the type of person that
> > owns
> > > > guns and thinks that that makes you an
> expert
> > > or
> > > > more to the point means you know more than
> > > anyone
> > > > else - from all appearances in this
> > conversation
> > > I
> > > > dont believe that is the truth.
> > >
>
> First of all, I didn't say anything about air
> rifles but I can
> imagine the reaction from snowflake parents
> storming a school board
> meeting if such a proposal were made. As far as
> the requirements you
> suggest for firearms ownership, what you're
> describing is a police
> state. one step at a time.
>
> The Violence Policy Center (Brach Bunch) has taken
> an incremental approach
> and they eventually want to ban all firearms for
> private citizens and thanks
> to their funding by Soros, continue spewing their
> lies and hatred. Seems like
> you're reading out of their playbook.

You=paranoid
'police state' = rubbish

If you truly are an NRA certified instructor you know better than anyone how unqualified most people are to use firearms. Enforcing regulations for training and ownership is not a police state anymore than requiring drivers licenses and auto registration is. I would hardly describe England, Canada, Australia as police states. You are being hysterical.

Hatred? Thats projection friend. I can believe you disagree with me without hating me. Sadly alcoholic country music listening rube gun fetishists like you are too irrational to understand that - perhaps this is the reason so many of you are hysterically irrational about common tools such as firearms. Guess Soros is planning to take your chain saw and F150 from you too huh...

>I would hardly describe England, Canada, Australia as police states. You are being hysterical.

Compared to Free America as well as being SUBJECTS not CITIZENS A concept you DONT UNDERSTAND

YOU ARE A LIBERAL EMOTIONAL IDIOT You are FREE to LEAVE AMERICA AND HEAD TO YOUR FAVORITE POLICE STATE With your global warming fools who want that chain saw and F150 GONE

Stereotyping country music listeners as alcoholic gun fetishists

But what the hell they do the same with Women Blacks Spanish Gays American Indians as they are the truest racists and haters inside their godless souls

Which members of the US Supreme Ct were OK with sending loyal Japanese Americans to internment camps in WW2

THE ANSWER IS : THE LIBERAL MAJORITY

Some things never change with Liberals and NEVER WILL

Liberals hung blacks, murder babies and sell their body parts, wage the longest wars in history, are the only ones in the world who have dropped nuclear bombs. They hate civilization.

Typical Smug Elitist Liberal Wrote:
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> Stereotyping country music listeners as alcoholic
> gun fetishists
>
> But what the hell they do the same with Women
> Blacks Spanish Gays American Indians as they are
> the truest racists and haters inside their godless
> souls


lol, I didnt mention race - I was referring to country music listeners of all races creeds and colors you poor dumb animal. Only a country music racist lush would be as confused as you are. have another shot

President Trump FTW! Wrote:
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> Liberals hung blacks, murder babies and sell their
> body parts, wage the longest wars in history, are
> the only ones in the world who have dropped
> nuclear bombs. They hate civilization.


And the jews killed Jesus (a jew himself) 2000 years ago - what is your point? They used to think bathing caused illness and blood letting balanced the humors. What fucking century are you living in friend? Why not discuss reality as it is today instead of living in your fever-dream of the past?

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> President Trump FTW! Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Liberals hung blacks, murder babies and sell
> their
> > body parts, wage the longest wars in history,
> are
> > the only ones in the world who have dropped
> > nuclear bombs. They hate civilization.
>
>
> And the jews killed Jesus (a jew himself) 2000
> years ago - what is your point? They used to
> think bathing caused illness and blood letting
> balanced the humors. What fucking century are you
> living in friend? Why not discuss reality as it
> is today instead of living in your fever-dream of
> the past?


Libtards haven't changed. They don't progress but humanity, especially Americans, do. You're fucking crazy.

President Trump FTW! Wrote:
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> fever-dream of the past? Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > President Trump FTW! Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Liberals hung blacks, murder babies and sell
> > their
> > > body parts, wage the longest wars in history,
> > are
> > > the only ones in the world who have dropped
> > > nuclear bombs. They hate civilization.
> >
> >
> > And the jews killed Jesus (a jew himself) 2000
> > years ago - what is your point? They used to
> > think bathing caused illness and blood letting
> > balanced the humors. What fucking century are
> you
> > living in friend? Why not discuss reality as
> it
> > is today instead of living in your fever-dream
> of
> > the past?
>
>
> Libtards haven't changed. They don't progress but
> humanity, especially Americans, do. You're fucking
> crazy.

This from the party putting babies in jails away from their mothers. Have another drink if you have any of your disability check left to get booze. You animals never cease to amuse me.

you poor dumb animal Wrote:
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> President Trump FTW! Wrote:
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> -----
> > fever-dream of the past? Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > President Trump FTW! Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Liberals hung blacks, murder babies and
> sell
> > > their
> > > > body parts, wage the longest wars in
> history,
> > > are
> > > > the only ones in the world who have dropped
> > > > nuclear bombs. They hate civilization.
> > >
> > >
> > > And the jews killed Jesus (a jew himself)
> 2000
> > > years ago - what is your point? They used to
> > > think bathing caused illness and blood
> letting
> > > balanced the humors. What fucking century
> are
> > you
> > > living in friend? Why not discuss reality as
> > it
> > > is today instead of living in your
> fever-dream
> > of
> > > the past?
> >
> >
> > Libtards haven't changed. They don't progress
> but
> > humanity, especially Americans, do. You're
> fucking
> > crazy.
>
> This from the party putting babies in jails away
> from their mothers. Have another drink if you
> have any of your disability check left to get
> booze. You animals never cease to amuse me.


Lol! More fake news! Libtards want rapists to keep their kids in prison with them. How fucked up is that? Libtards want kids who are dying and starving to continue that way. What is wrong with libtards that they want children to be tortured and die? Thank God president Trump is doing something to help save children since terrorist Hussein Obama did nothing but pit them in cages and handed them over to human trafficking.

you poor dumb animal Wrote:
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> President Trump FTW! Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > fever-dream of the past? Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > President Trump FTW! Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Liberals hung blacks, murder babies and
> sell
> > > their
> > > > body parts, wage the longest wars in
> history,
> > > are
> > > > the only ones in the world who have dropped
> > > > nuclear bombs. They hate civilization.
> > >
> > >
> > > And the jews killed Jesus (a jew himself)
> 2000
> > > years ago - what is your point? They used to
> > > think bathing caused illness and blood
> letting
> > > balanced the humors. What fucking century
> are
> > you
> > > living in friend? Why not discuss reality as
> > it
> > > is today instead of living in your
> fever-dream
> > of
> > > the past?
> >
> >
> > Libtards haven't changed. They don't progress
> but
> > humanity, especially Americans, do. You're
> fucking
> > crazy.
>
> This from the party putting babies in jails away
> from their mothers. Have another drink if you
> have any of your disability check left to get
> booze. You animals never cease to amuse me.


But better than being burned to death like his drone babies I guess.

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> R U Serious? Wrote:
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>
> > -----
> > > R U Serious? Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Go bact to bolt action only Wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > > -----
> > > > > vd334 Wrote:
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > -----
> > > > > > R U Serious? Wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Do you realize the Izaak Walton
> League
> > > > > > instructors
> > > > > > > are NRA certified and the
> organization
> > > > itself
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > an NRA affiliate?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Not to mention the reason that they
> have
> > to
> > > > > shoot
> > > > > > there is that because of the anti-gun
> > nuts
> > > > > there
> > > > > > no longer are any ranges in the schools
> > as
> > > > > there
> > > > > > used to be.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And he must not be from Fairfax. I
> don't
> > > > think
> > > > > > any of them still shoot anything other
> > than
> > > > air
> > > > > > rifles.
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. yes I realize NRA certifies
> instructors.
> > > > >
> > > > > 2. yes I know air target shooting is the
> > > sport
> > > > HS
> > > > > participates in (and is an olympic event
> by
> > > the
> > > > > way). I used a .22 - not a lot of
> stopping
> > > > power
> > > > > in that either. Target isnt the same as
> > > > emptying
> > > > > your AR toy on washing machines at the
> dump.
> >
> > > > Its
> > > > > about discipline, accuracy and
> consistency.
> >
> > > > > People who never shot target imagine
> Rambo,
> > > its
> > > > > not that at all - its about concentration
> > and
> > > > > physical control not the bluster or crude
> > > power
> > > > > someone prone to deride air rifles is
> > likely
> > > to
> > > > > comprehend.
> > > > >
> > > > > 3. Its possible to understand firearms,
> be
> > > > trained
> > > > > with firearms and be highly proficient
> with
> > > > > firearms and still be an advocate for
> > > > restrictions
> > > > > on them. There is nothing 'nutty' being
> an
> > > > > advocate for regulating firearms either.
>
> > > > >
> > > > > 4. There are plenty of ranges; its not
> > > popular
> > > > > enough to justify the expense and
> liability
> > > in
> > > > > Fairfax Schools. By the way air target
> can
> > > be
> > > > > quite expensive for the HS student. Good
> > air
> > > > > target rifles cost upwards of 2k dollars
> > and
> > > > the
> > > > > jackets can be half that much.
> > > > >
> > > > > 5. You sound like the type of person that
> > > owns
> > > > > guns and thinks that that makes you an
> > expert
> > > > or
> > > > > more to the point means you know more
> than
> > > > anyone
> > > > > else - from all appearances in this
> > > conversation
> > > > I
> > > > > dont believe that is the truth.
> > > >
> > > > Owning guns doesn't make anyone an expert
> on
> > > > anything but I've done
> > > > my homework for being an NRA
> > activist/recruiter
> > > > for over 35 years.
> > > > I attend activist seminars hosted by the
> > CCRKBA
> > > > and do a lot or reading
> > > > and research.
> > > >
> > > > My dad taught me to shoot when I was about
> 10
> > > > years old and I subscribed
> > > > to magazines such as Guns & Ammo. The Army
> > > taught
> > > > me how to shoot an M-14,
> > > > M-16 and the M1911. I taught my kids to
> shoot
> > > at
> > > > the Izaak Walton League
> > > > in Centreville and someday I hope to take
> my
> > > > grandchildren there too and
> > > > carry on the family tradition. Please tell
> me
> > > > about your background. :)
> > >
> > > So what is your point? If you have the
> > experience
> > > you say you do you would understand the value
> > of
> > > target competition with air rifles and not
> > > disparage same. Moreover, you would
> understand
> > > the challenges and expense of maintaining
> > ranges
> > > within an already stretched school budget
> > within
> > > Fairfax. Finally you would not join in
> > > criticizing the somewhat banal fact that I
> shot
> > > target in high school - its nothing special.
> > >
> > > BTW I started shooting at age 7 with my dad's
> > .22
> > > rabbit gun and his 12 gauge. Ill admit I
> > needed
> > > my dad behind my shoulder to help me with the
> > > shotgun in the early years. Yes Ive been a
> > member
> > > of Isaac Walton in Centerville, yes I taught
> my
> > > kids to shoot there. So what?
> > >
> > > Firearms are tools nothing more. I no more
> > > fetishize them than I do my drill or chainsaw.
>
> > Im
> > > always in the back of the group going to the
> > duck
> > > blind - anyone can own a firearm but its
> > > frightening how poorly trained most people
> are.
> > I
> > > believe we should have mandatory training and
> > > continuing education and training for firearm
> > > ownership. I believe we should have strict
> > > enforcement of sales and ownership and
> > > restrictions on who can own and operate
> > firearms.
> >
> >
> > > > > 5. You sound like the type of person that
> > > owns
> > > > > guns and thinks that that makes you an
> > expert
> > > > or
> > > > > more to the point means you know more
> than
> > > > anyone
> > > > > else - from all appearances in this
> > > conversation
> > > > I
> > > > > dont believe that is the truth.
> > > >
> >
> > First of all, I didn't say anything about air
> > rifles but I can
> > imagine the reaction from snowflake parents
> > storming a school board
> > meeting if such a proposal were made. As far as
> > the requirements you
> > suggest for firearms ownership, what you're
> > describing is a police
> > state. one step at a time.
> >
> > The Violence Policy Center (Brach Bunch) has
> taken
> > an incremental approach
> > and they eventually want to ban all firearms
> for
> > private citizens and thanks
> > to their funding by Soros, continue spewing
> their
> > lies and hatred. Seems like
> > you're reading out of their playbook.
>
> You=paranoid
> 'police state' = rubbish
>
> If you truly are an NRA certified instructor you
> know better than anyone how unqualified most
> people are to use firearms. Enforcing regulations
> for training and ownership is not a police state
> anymore than requiring drivers licenses and auto
> registration is. I would hardly describe England,
> Canada, Australia as police states. You are being
> hysterical.
>
> Hatred? Thats projection friend. I can believe
> you disagree with me without hating me. Sadly
> alcoholic country music listening rube gun
> fetishists like you are too irrational to
> understand that - perhaps this is the reason so
> many of you are hysterically irrational about
> common tools such as firearms. Guess Soros is
> planning to take your chain saw and F150 from you
> too huh...

I never claimed to be an NRA certified instructor.
I haven't had any alcohol in 15 years and I don't listen to country music.
I've never owned a truck or a chain saw.
Owning my guns is not a fetish but a civil right. Get used to it.

Your use of the term "common sense proposals" is right out of the
VPC website. They started using it in the early 90's right after the
Supreme Court ruled half the Brady Bill to be unconstitutional.
Is that you Josh? LOL!

Its about all that's on his hateful mind this Sunday, that's all his mind can absorb anyway wheres the weed and his whine bottle libstain pacifier


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJT-ovum3wU Suck It down libstain

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> >
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> > > -----
> > > > old member Wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> >
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> > >
> > > > -----
> > > > > you'd be wrong Wrote:
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> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > -----
> > > > > > NRA Gives Guns to Insane Wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----
> > > > > > > Another mental case on drugs who
> > > shouldn't
> > > > > have
> > > > > > > gun. Yet, NRA is silent about taking
> > > guns
> > > > > > aways
> > > > > > > from crazy people.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Quite the contrary. Not surprising that
> > > > > uninformed
> > > > > > dolts make that claim though.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Since 1966, the National Rifle
> > Association
> > > > has
> > > > > > urged the federal government to address
> > the
> > > > > > problem of mental illness and violence.
> > As
> > > we
> > > > > > noted then, “the time is at hand to
> > seek
> > > > > means
> > > > > > by which society can identify, treat
> and
> > > > > > temporarily isolate such
> individuals,”
> > > > > because
> > > > > > “elimination of the instrument by
> which
> > > > these
> > > > > > crimes are committed cannot arrest the
> > > > ravages
> > > > > of
> > > > > > a psychotic murderer.”
> > > > > >
> > > > > > More recently, the NRA has supported
> > > > > legislation
> > > > > > to ensure that appropriate records of
> > those
> > > > who
> > > > > > have been judged mentally incompetent
> or
> > > > > > involuntarily committed to mental
> > > > institutions
> > > > > be
> > > > > > made available for use in firearms
> > transfer
> > > > > > background checks. The NRA will support
> > any
> > > > > > reasonable step to fix America’s
> broken
> > > > > mental
> > > > > > health system without intruding on the
> > > > > > constitutional rights of Americans.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > NRA used to be about the sport and safety.
>
> > > As
> > > > a
> > > > > young kid I was a member in the 70's and
> > shot
> > > > > competitively. The NRA today in no way
> > > > resembles
> > > > > the NRA of 1966. In 1966 the NRA
> supported
> > > all
> > > > > kinds of safety measures. Since wayne
> has
> > > been
> > > > > there its a weapon manufacturer lobby
> group
> > > > > nothing more. Spare us the BS that NRA
> is
> > > > behind
> > > > > any regulation of ownership of firearms
> an
> > > also
> > > > > spare us the lie that today's NRA has
> > > anything
> > > > > whatsoever to do with the past.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Sure. Sure. I've run into the "I used to be
> > in
> > > the
> > > > NRA" type before. Like you, they claim to
> be
> > > > shooters. One question about shooting
> sports
> > > > flummoxes them like no tomorrow. I wonder
> why
> > > that
> > > > is.
> > > >
> > > > You're parroting a talking point that is
> > > popular
> > > > with the anti Second Amendment crowd. Care
> to
> > > > explain why the NRA supported the NICS
> > > > Improvements Amendments Act a decade ago
> and
> > > the
> > > > Fix NICS Act just this year if they don't
> > > support
> > > > any regulation of firearm ownership?
> > > >
> > > > Quick! Run and see what the Michael
> Bloomburg
> > > > websites tell you to say about that. Before
> > > that
> > > > though, you'll probably have to look up and
> > see
> > > > what those laws are.
> > > >
> > > > Is it because you're too stupid to think
> for
> > > > yourself or just to lazy to do your own
> > > research
> > > > that you find yourself in this embarrassing
> > > > situation?
> > >
> > >
> > > What a petty small person you are. You dont
> > know
> > > me. I shot target as a kid - so what? That
> is
> > > what the NRA was then, safety and hunting
> > classes
> > > and target. They werent one of the country's
> > most
> > > powerful lobby organizations for weapons
> > > manufacturers like they are now. Dont try
> and
> > > sell your horse shit about NRA backing
> > meaningful
> > > regulations on firearms - that is absurd.
> > >
> > > Feel free to sell your bullshit to the feeble
> > and
> > > infirm like the NRA does but dont sell that
> > > bullshit to me.
> >
> > What a pathetically weak response. You still
> dinnt
> > explain why the NRA supported the NICS
> > Improvements Amendments Act a decade ago and
> the
> > Fix NICS Act just this year if they don't
> support
> > any regulation of firearm ownership?
> >
> > Until you can answer that very basic question,
> > your assertions are less than hogwash.
> >
> > What's the problem? Are there no good talking
> > points on the Bloomburg still sites on this
> > matter?
>
> Notice how he ducked this question like a coward.


Why does he keep ducking it like a coward?

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> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Do you realize the Izaak Walton
> > League
> > > > > > > instructors
> > > > > > > > are NRA certified and the
> > organization
> > > > > itself
> > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > an NRA affiliate?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Not to mention the reason that they
> > have
> > > to
> > > > > > shoot
> > > > > > > there is that because of the anti-gun
> > > nuts
> > > > > > there
> > > > > > > no longer are any ranges in the
> schools
> > > as
> > > > > > there
> > > > > > > used to be.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And he must not be from Fairfax. I
> > don't
> > > > > think
> > > > > > > any of them still shoot anything
> other
> > > than
> > > > > air
> > > > > > > rifles.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1. yes I realize NRA certifies
> > instructors.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2. yes I know air target shooting is
> the
> > > > sport
> > > > > HS
> > > > > > participates in (and is an olympic
> event
> > by
> > > > the
> > > > > > way). I used a .22 - not a lot of
> > stopping
> > > > > power
> > > > > > in that either. Target isnt the same
> as
> > > > > emptying
> > > > > > your AR toy on washing machines at the
> > dump.
> > >
> > > > > Its
> > > > > > about discipline, accuracy and
> > consistency.
> > >
> > > > > > People who never shot target imagine
> > Rambo,
> > > > its
> > > > > > not that at all - its about
> concentration
> > > and
> > > > > > physical control not the bluster or
> crude
> > > > power
> > > > > > someone prone to deride air rifles is
> > > likely
> > > > to
> > > > > > comprehend.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 3. Its possible to understand firearms,
> > be
> > > > > trained
> > > > > > with firearms and be highly proficient
> > with
> > > > > > firearms and still be an advocate for
> > > > > restrictions
> > > > > > on them. There is nothing 'nutty'
> being
> > an
> > > > > > advocate for regulating firearms either.
>
> >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 4. There are plenty of ranges; its not
> > > > popular
> > > > > > enough to justify the expense and
> > liability
> > > > in
> > > > > > Fairfax Schools. By the way air target
> > can
> > > > be
> > > > > > quite expensive for the HS student.
> Good
> > > air
> > > > > > target rifles cost upwards of 2k
> dollars
> > > and
> > > > > the
> > > > > > jackets can be half that much.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 5. You sound like the type of person
> that
> > > > owns
> > > > > > guns and thinks that that makes you an
> > > expert
> > > > > or
> > > > > > more to the point means you know more
> > than
> > > > > anyone
> > > > > > else - from all appearances in this
> > > > conversation
> > > > > I
> > > > > > dont believe that is the truth.
> > > > >
> > > > > Owning guns doesn't make anyone an expert
> > on
> > > > > anything but I've done
> > > > > my homework for being an NRA
> > > activist/recruiter
> > > > > for over 35 years.
> > > > > I attend activist seminars hosted by the
> > > CCRKBA
> > > > > and do a lot or reading
> > > > > and research.
> > > > >
> > > > > My dad taught me to shoot when I was
> about
> > 10
> > > > > years old and I subscribed
> > > > > to magazines such as Guns & Ammo. The
> Army
> > > > taught
> > > > > me how to shoot an M-14,
> > > > > M-16 and the M1911. I taught my kids to
> > shoot
> > > > at
> > > > > the Izaak Walton League
> > > > > in Centreville and someday I hope to take
> > my
> > > > > grandchildren there too and
> > > > > carry on the family tradition. Please
> tell
> > me
> > > > > about your background. :)
> > > >
> > > > So what is your point? If you have the
> > > experience
> > > > you say you do you would understand the
> value
> > > of
> > > > target competition with air rifles and not
> > > > disparage same. Moreover, you would
> > understand
> > > > the challenges and expense of maintaining
> > > ranges
> > > > within an already stretched school budget
> > > within
> > > > Fairfax. Finally you would not join in
> > > > criticizing the somewhat banal fact that I
> > shot
> > > > target in high school - its nothing
> special.
> > > >
> > > > BTW I started shooting at age 7 with my
> dad's
> > > .22
> > > > rabbit gun and his 12 gauge. Ill admit I
> > > needed
> > > > my dad behind my shoulder to help me with
> the
> > > > shotgun in the early years. Yes Ive been a
> > > member
> > > > of Isaac Walton in Centerville, yes I
> taught
> > my
> > > > kids to shoot there. So what?
> > > >
> > > > Firearms are tools nothing more. I no more
> > > > fetishize them than I do my drill or
> chainsaw.
> >
> > > Im
> > > > always in the back of the group going to
> the
> > > duck
> > > > blind - anyone can own a firearm but its
> > > > frightening how poorly trained most people
> > are.
> > > I
> > > > believe we should have mandatory training
> and
> > > > continuing education and training for
> firearm
> > > > ownership. I believe we should have strict
> > > > enforcement of sales and ownership and
> > > > restrictions on who can own and operate
> > > firearms.
> > >
> > >
> > > > > > 5. You sound like the type of person
> that
> > > > owns
> > > > > > guns and thinks that that makes you an
> > > expert
> > > > > or
> > > > > > more to the point means you know more
> > than
> > > > > anyone
> > > > > > else - from all appearances in this
> > > > conversation
> > > > > I
> > > > > > dont believe that is the truth.
> > > > >
> > >
> > > First of all, I didn't say anything about air
> > > rifles but I can
> > > imagine the reaction from snowflake parents
> > > storming a school board
> > > meeting if such a proposal were made. As far
> as
> > > the requirements you
> > > suggest for firearms ownership, what you're
> > > describing is a police
> > > state. one step at a time.
> > >
> > > The Violence Policy Center (Brach Bunch) has
> > taken
> > > an incremental approach
> > > and they eventually want to ban all firearms
> > for
> > > private citizens and thanks
> > > to their funding by Soros, continue spewing
> > their
> > > lies and hatred. Seems like
> > > you're reading out of their playbook.
> >
> > You=paranoid
> > 'police state' = rubbish
> >
> > If you truly are an NRA certified instructor
> you
> > know better than anyone how unqualified most
> > people are to use firearms. Enforcing
> regulations
> > for training and ownership is not a police
> state
> > anymore than requiring drivers licenses and
> auto
> > registration is. I would hardly describe
> England,
> > Canada, Australia as police states. You are
> being
> > hysterical.
> >
> > Hatred? Thats projection friend. I can believe
> > you disagree with me without hating me. Sadly
> > alcoholic country music listening rube gun
> > fetishists like you are too irrational to
> > understand that - perhaps this is the reason so
> > many of you are hysterically irrational about
> > common tools such as firearms. Guess Soros is
> > planning to take your chain saw and F150 from
> you
> > too huh...
>
> I never claimed to be an NRA certified instructor.
>
> I haven't had any alcohol in 15 years and I don't
> listen to country music.
> I've never owned a truck or a chain saw.
> Owning my guns is not a fetish but a civil right.
> Get used to it.
>
> Your use of the term "common sense proposals" is
> right out of the
> VPC website. They started using it in the early
> 90's right after the
> Supreme Court ruled half the Brady Bill to be
> unconstitutional.
> Is that you Josh? LOL!

In your world 'common sense' has been fully co-oped by anti-gun groups?!?! Jesus you are off the fucking deep end bro.

I mean I get you are not well read but Christ is everything a conspiracy in your mind?

Common Sense[1] is a pamphlet written by Thomas Paine in 1775–76 advocating independence from Great Britain to people in the Thirteen Colonies. Written in clear and persuasive prose, Paine marshaled moral and political arguments to encourage common people in the Colonies to fight for egalitarian government. It was published anonymously on January 10, 1776, at the beginning of the American Revolution, and became an immediate sensation.

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> >
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> > > > >
> > > > > > -----
> > > > > > > Another mental case on drugs who
> > > shouldn't
> > > > > have
> > > > > > > gun. Yet, NRA is silent about taking
> > > guns
> > > > > > aways
> > > > > > > from crazy people.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Quite the contrary. Not surprising that
> > > > > uninformed
> > > > > > dolts make that claim though.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Since 1966, the National Rifle
> > Association
> > > > has
> > > > > > urged the federal government to address
> > the
> > > > > > problem of mental illness and violence.
> > As
> > > we
> > > > > > noted then, “the time is at hand to
> > seek
> > > > > means
> > > > > > by which society can identify, treat
> and
> > > > > > temporarily isolate such
> individuals,”
> > > > > because
> > > > > > “elimination of the instrument by
> which
> > > > these
> > > > > > crimes are committed cannot arrest the
> > > > ravages
> > > > > of
> > > > > > a psychotic murderer.”
> > > > > >
> > > > > > More recently, the NRA has supported
> > > > > legislation
> > > > > > to ensure that appropriate records of
> > those
> > > > who
> > > > > > have been judged mentally incompetent
> or
> > > > > > involuntarily committed to mental
> > > > institutions
> > > > > be
> > > > > > made available for use in firearms
> > transfer
> > > > > > background checks. The NRA will support
> > any
> > > > > > reasonable step to fix America’s
> broken
> > > > > mental
> > > > > > health system without intruding on the
> > > > > > constitutional rights of Americans.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > NRA used to be about the sport and safety.
>
> > > As
> > > > a
> > > > > young kid I was a member in the 70's and
> > shot
> > > > > competitively. The NRA today in no way
> > > > resembles
> > > > > the NRA of 1966. In 1966 the NRA
> supported
> > > all
> > > > > kinds of safety measures. Since wayne
> has
> > > been
> > > > > there its a weapon manufacturer lobby
> group
> > > > > nothing more. Spare us the BS that NRA
> is
> > > > behind
> > > > > any regulation of ownership of firearms
> an
> > > also
> > > > > spare us the lie that today's NRA has
> > > anything
> > > > > whatsoever to do with the past.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Sure. Sure. I've run into the "I used to be
> > in
> > > the
> > > > NRA" type before. Like you, they claim to
> be
> > > > shooters. One question about shooting
> sports
> > > > flummoxes them like no tomorrow. I wonder
> why
> > > that
> > > > is.
> > > >
> > > > You're parroting a talking point that is
> > > popular
> > > > with the anti Second Amendment crowd. Care
> to
> > > > explain why the NRA supported the NICS
> > > > Improvements Amendments Act a decade ago
> and
> > > the
> > > > Fix NICS Act just this year if they don't
> > > support
> > > > any regulation of firearm ownership?
> > > >
> > > > Quick! Run and see what the Michael
> Bloomburg
> > > > websites tell you to say about that. Before
> > > that
> > > > though, you'll probably have to look up and
> > see
> > > > what those laws are.
> > > >
> > > > Is it because you're too stupid to think
> for
> > > > yourself or just to lazy to do your own
> > > research
> > > > that you find yourself in this embarrassing
> > > > situation?
> > >
> > >
> > > What a petty small person you are. You dont
> > know
> > > me. I shot target as a kid - so what? That
> is
> > > what the NRA was then, safety and hunting
> > classes
> > > and target. They werent one of the country's
> > most
> > > powerful lobby organizations for weapons
> > > manufacturers like they are now. Dont try
> and
> > > sell your horse shit about NRA backing
> > meaningful
> > > regulations on firearms - that is absurd.
> > >
> > > Feel free to sell your bullshit to the feeble
> > and
> > > infirm like the NRA does but dont sell that
> > > bullshit to me.
> >
> > What a pathetically weak response. You still
> dinnt
> > explain why the NRA supported the NICS
> > Improvements Amendments Act a decade ago and
> the
> > Fix NICS Act just this year if they don't
> support
> > any regulation of firearm ownership?
> >
> > Until you can answer that very basic question,
> > your assertions are less than hogwash.
> >
> > What's the problem? Are there no good talking
> > points on the Bloomburg still sites on this
> > matter?
>
> Notice how he ducked this question like a coward.

the NRA supported a legal challenge to the Brady Act in 1996 that helped weaken the database in the first place. The NRA sued the attorney general after NICS became operational in 1998 citing similar concerns about the Justice Department retaining completed NICS background check requests for up to six months in an audit log.

You can read all about the dissolution of your bull shit claim right here - http://checkyourfact.com/2018/03/02/fact-check-did-the-nra-back-a-lawsuit-that-weakened-background-checks/

You seem to be confusing the NICS check database with the database that is used for NICS checks. (Understandable confusion.)

There is a database (I think it is actually many databases that are "fused")
of information on everybody, including criminal databases, and including
(not enough) mental health information. When you go to buy a gun, the
gun dealer submits your info to a "NICS Check". It looks at that database,
then comes back and says NO if you're a felon, crazy person, etc.

Then a second database comes into play. This database records the fact that
you attempted to purchase a particular gun and that a NICS check was run
on you (whether it said you were OK or not). In other words, a national
gun registration database: Who bought what guns, when and where.

That second database is explicitly illegal, against the law that created
the NICS check. It was secretly created by the FBI. The law says that
once you pass the NICS check, there can be no record that it happened.
Because having national GUn Registration is an invasion of privacy,
and sort of defeats the point of citizens being able to arm themselves
against the Government (which is the whole point of the 2nd Amendment.)

That database was totally illegal, the NRA (and others found out about it),
and sued the FBI over it.

The NICS check itself (aka "instant background check") was the invention
of the NRA. Because the NRA doesn't want criminals and cooks to have guns.

Hope that clears it up for you!

Tom Paine Wrote:
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>
> In your world 'common sense' has been fully
> co-oped by anti-gun groups?!?! Jesus you are off
> the fucking deep end
> bro.
>
> I mean I get you are not well read but Christ is
> everything a conspiracy in your mind?
>
> Common Sense[1] is a pamphlet written by Thomas
> Paine in 1775–76 advocating independence from
> Great Britain to people in the Thirteen Colonies.
> Written in clear and persuasive prose, Paine
> marshaled moral and political arguments to
> encourage common people in the Colonies to fight
> for egalitarian government. It was published
> anonymously on January 10, 1776, at the beginning
> of the American Revolution, and became an
> immediate sensation.


It's a typical bullshit talking point phrase that has nothing to do with Paine. It means nothing beyond whatever someone wants to suggest that it means at any given time. It's intended to obscure real intent and make things appear more acceptable. Just like "comprehensive immigration reform" = amnesty and "women's health" = abortion. Libs have tons of these because they understand that their actual positions are not accepted and they have to hide true intent.

Detailed proposals for total gun confiscation were outlined above.
Nothing hidden about it.

Your response: "Libtards!"


Very intellectual!

Lib Wrote:
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> Detailed proposals for total gun confiscation were
> outlined above.
> Nothing hidden about it.
>
> Your response: "Libtards!"
>
>
> Very intellectual!


None were "outlined."

Just the same bullshit as always.

SPECIFICALLY what is "common sense gun reform?"

Moe BS Wrote:
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> None were "outlined."
>
> Just the same bullshit as always.
>
> SPECIFICALLY what is "common sense gun reform?"

TDate: June 29, 2018 11:24PM
Explains why all guns must be confiscated.
Details how to go about it.

Date: June 29, 2018 11:39PM
Suggests an in incremental method for the confiscation.
Explains how to overcome "militia" resistance with force.
Explains BUILD A WALL will help prevent illegal gun imports.

Date: June 29, 2018 11:51PM
Details how sport (hunting / target shooters) will be accommodated.
Explains how deer and coyote problems will be handled.


Date: June 29, 2018 11:59PM
Answers the question "Why doesn't Virginia have a gun problem like MD/DC?"
By listing seven recent mass shooting incidents in Virginia.
Also points out that there is plenty of crime with guns in Virginia, anyway.

Libtard Bullshit 4 Dummies Wrote:
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> Tom Paine Wrote:
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> >
> > In your world 'common sense' has been fully
> > co-oped by anti-gun groups?!?! Jesus you are
> off
> > the fucking deep end
> >
> bro.
> >
> > I mean I get you are not well read but Christ
> is
> > everything a conspiracy in your mind?
> >
> > Common Sense[1] is a pamphlet written by
> Thomas
> > Paine in 1775–76 advocating independence from
> > Great Britain to people in the Thirteen
> Colonies.
> > Written in clear and persuasive prose, Paine
> > marshaled moral and political arguments to
> > encourage common people in the Colonies to
> fight
> > for egalitarian government. It was published
> > anonymously on January 10, 1776, at the
> beginning
> > of the American Revolution, and became an
> > immediate sensation.
>
>
> It's a typical bullshit talking point phrase that
> has nothing to do with Paine. It means nothing
> beyond whatever someone wants to suggest that it
> means at any given time. It's intended to obscure
> real intent and make things appear more
> acceptable. Just like "comprehensive immigration
> reform" = amnesty and "women's health" = abortion.
> Libs have tons of these because they understand
> that their actual positions are not accepted and
> they have to hide true intent.

Friend, I mean this with all sincerity - you are having a bad mental health day. I used 'common sense' in the James Dewey utilitarian sense. I do not know who these organizations you are talking about and I have no idea what their talking points are. Really, I swear.

I think you are, well I cant really say to be honest. You seem hyper-focused on a perceived web of conspiracies that I assure you only people in your circles know about. Im just a normal person who thinks we need controls on people owning weapons. Like driving licenses. To me that is common sense.

I dont think having a rational discussion with you would change your mind about anything. I would ask you to think of your loved ones if you have any. You seem on a path that will not end well. Get to a cabin in the woods alone armed for bear. set boobie traps, stockpile freeze dried meals and plenty of medical supplies. If you can score some Valium. You need to get far away from other people

Reading Comprehension - Try It! Wrote:
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> Moe BS Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > None were "outlined."
> >
> > Just the same bullshit as always.
> >
> > SPECIFICALLY what is "common sense gun reform?"
>
> TDate: June 29, 2018 11:24PM
> Explains why all guns must be confiscated.
> Details how to go about it.
>
> Date: June 29, 2018 11:39PM
> Suggests an in incremental method for the
> confiscation.
> Explains how to overcome "militia" resistance with
> force.
> Explains BUILD A WALL will help prevent illegal
> gun imports.
>
> Date: June 29, 2018 11:51PM
> Details how sport (hunting / target shooters) will
> be accommodated.
> Explains how deer and coyote problems will be
> handled.
>

That's what you're considering "common sense gun reform?" LOL! Yeah, that's realistic. Not even most gun control advocates are suggesting that kind of shit. But yeah, run with that and see how far you get. So now you see why they like to hide behind buzzwords. lmao

>
> Date: June 29, 2018 11:59PM
> Answers the question "Why doesn't Virginia have a
> gun problem like MD/DC?"
> By listing seven recent mass shooting incidents in
> Virginia.
> Also points out that there is plenty of crime with
> guns in Virginia, anyway.


Shot down with specific stats showing that gun homicides are significantly higher in MD and DC, despite VA having more permissive gun laws and a larger population. Not even considering higher violent crime in general which also is higher in MD and DC.

At least you're honest about it Wrote:
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> Shot down with specific stats showing that gun
> homicides are significantly higher in MD and DC

Those niggers get their guns from Virginia.

Butt you can't see the forest for the trees.
This is not really about Virginia.
It's about making the whole country safe.

J9TP7 Wrote:
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> At least you're honest about it Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > Shot down with specific stats showing that gun
> > homicides are significantly higher in MD and DC
>
> Those niggers get their guns from Virginia.
>
> Butt you can't see the forest for the trees.
> This is not really about Virginia.
> It's about making the whole country safe.


Uh so if, as has been shown, guns aren't the cause, then maybe the problem is "nigger" control?

BTW that's false as is most every other bullshit thing that you believe. Only 241 of the 1,345 illegal guns traced in the latest review by ATF came from VA. 176 came from MD. 36 came from DC. So roughly the same from strict control states of MD and DC in the area vs VA.

Let me explain the obvious to you in the most simple terms. Gun control doesn't prevent anything. Especially criminal use of guns. It's not really even intended to prevent anything. It's intended to provide a basis for prosecution and punishment after the fact.

That was for DC just to be clear. Even worse for MD.

Of 7,706 guns traced for MD, only 533 were from VA. 2,871 were from MD.

Everything you know is wrong Wrote:
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> Let me explain the obvious to you in the most
> simple terms. Gun control doesn't prevent anything.

If there were no guns, then (statistically) nobody would be shot by a gun.

Can't make it any simpler for you.

Not in favor of "gun control".
Total gun elimination from the public (including most police) is the only answer.

"But then people would use other weapons!"
Yeah, and "So What?"
No more mass shootings, for one thing.
No more gun suicides, either.
And the other ways of doing it are harder, therefore deterrent.

J4NWU Wrote:
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> Everything you know is wrong Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > Let me explain the obvious to you in the most
> > simple terms. Gun control doesn't prevent
> anything.
>
> If there were no guns, then (statistically) nobody
> would be shot by a gun.
>
> Can't make it any simpler for you.
>
> Not in favor of "gun control".
> Total gun elimination from the public (including
> most police) is the only answer.
>
> "But then people would use other weapons!"
> Yeah, and "So What?"
> No more mass shootings, for one thing.
> No more gun suicides, either.
> And the other ways of doing it are harder,
> therefore deterrent.


Your're an idiot. What you really want is for guns to be un-invented and for all of the bad people to magically disappear. That's obviously complete fantasy.

Welcome to the real world stupid. Can't make it any simpler for your simple mind.

J4NWU Wrote:
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> Everything you know is wrong Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > Let me explain the obvious to you in the most
> > simple terms. Gun control doesn't prevent
> anything.
>
> If there were no guns, then (statistically) nobody
> would be shot by a gun.
>
> Can't make it any simpler for you.
>
> Not in favor of "gun control".
> Total gun elimination from the public (including
> most police) is the only answer.

So Trump is a Nazi.

The pigs are racists hunting innocent black men.

The military are inbred baby killers that we must maintain civilian control over otherwise they'll take over.

But you want Trump, the police, and the military to be the only ones with guns.

That makes sense. lol


>
> "But then people would use other weapons!"
> Yeah, and "So What?"

You mean like in Mexico, Russia, and any number of other countries where private ownership isn't permitted but the homicide and violent crime rates are much greater than ours?


> No more mass shootings, for one thing.
> No more gun suicides, either.
> And the other ways of doing it are harder,
> therefore deterrent.

You mean like in Japan where there are virtually no guns and the suicide rate is significantly greater than ours.

Anybody with a high school understanding of metal shop can build their own guns and ammo too. Check out the how to videos on YouTube.

typical low-tech trumper. You can print guns now. jeez. wont set off metal detectors either.

John malcovitch Wrote:
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> typical low-tech trumper. You can print guns now.
> jeez. wont set off metal detectors either.

Yes, this was acknowledged and addressed in the outline.
(Apparently you're incapable of actually reading.)

That's why warrantless searches for guns will be allowed,
and why possession of such contraband is life imprisonment
with no chance of parole.

There's lots of room to build some pretty fucking awesome prisons.

YFWME Wrote:
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> John malcovitch Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > typical low-tech trumper. You can print guns
> now.
> > jeez. wont set off metal detectors either.
>
> Yes, this was acknowledged and addressed in the
> outline.
> (Apparently you're incapable of actually
> reading.)
>
> That's why warrantless searches for guns will be
> allowed,
> and why possession of such contraband is life
> imprisonment
> with no chance of parole.
>
> There's lots of room to build some pretty fucking
> awesome prisons.

Anybody with a high school understanding of metal shop can build their own guns and ammo too. Check out the how to videos on YouTube.
Curious to see where the 'outline' is in this statement I was replying too. Do tell...

Simple Minds Wrote:
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> You mean like in Japan where there are virtually no guns
> and the suicide rate is significantly greater than ours.

I already made the point: This isn't about suicide, it's about guns.
Explain to me how there will be GUN suicides when there are no guns.

Also, as you're so fond of saying, "The USA is not ______" (country).
We have a very different history, and things will work a little differently here.

In the UK, where guns are banned, the rate is much lower than in the USA.
The correlation is obviously fried versus raw fish?

No guns == No Gun Deaths
That's called "common sense" or "logic".

sitting hurts Wrote:
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> Anybody with a high school understanding of metal shop
> can build their own guns and ammo too.
> Check out the how to videos on YouTube.
> Curious to see where the 'outline' is in this statement I was replying too.
> Do tell...

That would be this:

Posted by: #GrabGunsNotPussys ()
Date: June 29, 2018 11:24PM

No personal manufacturing, either.
Can't prevent people from getting the tools and info for making guns.
But, see Possession above.
Manufacturing gets the same penalty as Dealing: life, for real.

JD6UT Wrote:
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> sitting hurts Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Anybody with a high school understanding of
> metal shop
> > can build their own guns and ammo too.
> > Check out the how to videos on YouTube.
> > Curious to see where the 'outline' is in this
> statement I was replying too.
> > Do tell...
>
> That would be this:
>

> Posted by: #GrabGunsNotPussys ()
> Date: June 29, 2018 11:24PM
>
> No personal manufacturing, either.
> Can't prevent people from getting the tools and
> info for making guns.
> But, see Possession above.
> Manufacturing gets the same penalty as Dealing:
> life, for real.
>
>

You actually think the bad guys give a shit?

Benny K Wrote:
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> You actually think the bad guys give a shit?

Right now, bad guys can (a) purchase guns one way or another,
and (b) hide them someplace.

When no place is safe, because the cops can come looking for guns,
at any time, in any place, with no warning, no warrant needed,
and there are huge incentives to rat them out....

Yeah, I think under those conditions, bad guys will shit their pants.

Since you obviously didn't read anything I wrote,
you probably missed the part about the intrusive searches.

Certainly anyone who has access to 3D printers or metal lathes
will be subject to close surveillance and lots of searches.

JD6UT Wrote:
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> sitting hurts Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Anybody with a high school understanding of
> metal shop
> > can build their own guns and ammo too.
> > Check out the how to videos on YouTube.
> > Curious to see where the 'outline' is in this
> statement I was replying too.
> > Do tell...
>
> That would be this:
>

> Posted by: #GrabGunsNotPussys ()
> Date: June 29, 2018 11:24PM
>
> No personal manufacturing, either.
> Can't prevent people from getting the tools and
> info for making guns.
> But, see Possession above.
> Manufacturing gets the same penalty as Dealing:
> life, for real.
>
>

you really think people read every post and piece together different screen names as one poster? Is that the series of events that occurs in your fever dream of a thought process here? You realize you come across as demented right?

WKFGH Wrote:
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> Simple Minds Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
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>
> > You mean like in Japan where there are virtually
> no guns
> > and the suicide rate is significantly greater
> than ours.
>
> I already made the point: This isn't about
> suicide, it's about guns.
> Explain to me how there will be GUN suicides when
> there are no guns.
>
> Also, as you're so fond of saying, "The USA is not
> ______" (country).
> We have a very different history, and things will
> work a little differently here.
>
> In the UK, where guns are banned, the rate is much
> lower than in the USA.
> The correlation is obviously fried versus raw
> fish?
>
> No guns == No Gun Deaths
> That's called "common sense" or "logic".


Guns don't cause anyone to commit suicide. It's simply a method of choice here. As Japan, Russia, South Korea and many others show, people are perfectly capable of killing themselves at higher rates without guns. Your emphasis on GUN suicides is moronic.

And you conveniently ignored the rest of the post demonstrating that where your "brilliant" master plan already exists both homicide and suicide rates are much higher than here. lol

33P6N Wrote:
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> Benny K Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > You actually think the bad guys give a shit?
>
> Right now, bad guys can (a) purchase guns one way
> or another,
> and (b) hide them someplace.
>
> When no place is safe, because the cops can come
> looking for guns,
> at any time, in any place, with no warning, no
> warrant needed,
> and there are huge incentives to rat them out....
>
> Yeah, I think under those conditions, bad guys
> will shit their pants.
>
> Since you obviously didn't read anything I wrote,
> you probably missed the part about the intrusive
> searches.
>
> Certainly anyone who has access to 3D printers or
> metal lathes
> will be subject to close surveillance and lots of
> searches.

I can tell you've never spent time in an industrial area or around farmers.