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Thank you Obozo and the libertards!
Posted by:
Stabitha
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Date: January 03, 2014 10:03AM
http://wtop.com/41/3535218/Virginia-gun-sales-set-record-in-2013
Great year for me!
"Virginia gun sales increased by nearly 11 percent and reached an all-time high in 2013.
The Richmond Times-Dispatch reports (http://bit.ly/1euGJMJ ) that the Virginia State Police logged background checks for nearly 480,000 gun transactions last year, topping the old record of just over 432,000 set the year before. State police began doing the criminal background checks in late 1989.
Police said gun sales were especially brisk early in the year. Transactions for the first four months were up 115.8 percent, 38.5 percent, 41 percent and 28.4 percent.
Gun sales on Black Friday also set a record, but overall sales in November and December dipped from 2012 sales for those months.
Great year for me!
"Virginia gun sales increased by nearly 11 percent and reached an all-time high in 2013.
The Richmond Times-Dispatch reports (http://bit.ly/1euGJMJ ) that the Virginia State Police logged background checks for nearly 480,000 gun transactions last year, topping the old record of just over 432,000 set the year before. State police began doing the criminal background checks in late 1989.
Police said gun sales were especially brisk early in the year. Transactions for the first four months were up 115.8 percent, 38.5 percent, 41 percent and 28.4 percent.
Gun sales on Black Friday also set a record, but overall sales in November and December dipped from 2012 sales for those months.
Re: Thank you Obozo and the libertards!
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Sad News
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Date: January 03, 2014 10:11AM
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Sad news
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Date: January 03, 2014 10:13AM
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Sad News
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Date: January 03, 2014 10:15AM
Newtown
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Posted by:
Stabitha
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Date: January 03, 2014 10:36AM
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Posted by:
Obama murders Americans
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Date: January 03, 2014 10:42AM
Here's a child that Obama ordered murdered by drone. He was a 16 year old American citizen. This is treason.
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Re: Thank you Obozo and the libertards!
Posted by:
wrongg
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Date: January 03, 2014 11:07AM
I am sure he was critisizing OObamacare.
Re: Thank you Obozo and the libertards!
Posted by:
ColumnNo.4
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Date: January 03, 2014 11:15AM
Bush outted Plane, that's definitely treason. The child you mention was apparently collaborating with terrorists and why is it you only care when the children killed are Americans?
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Posted by:
Oh look, CN4 is wrong again
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Date: January 03, 2014 11:21AM
ColumnNo.4 Wrote:
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> Bush outted Plane, that's definitely treason. The
> child you mention was apparently collaborating
> with terrorists and why is it you only care when
> the children killed are Americans?
Another lie. Bush didn't out anyone and in fact, refused to pardon Scooter Libby, who also didn't out anyone but, based on the testimony of a DEAD Tim Russert, went to jail for lying to a grand jury (you know, like Bill and Hillary did). One of Colin Powell's flunkies, Richard Armitage outed Plame. Both Armitage and Powell were working against Bush by leaking stuff the press about the Iraq War to keep their tidy whities clean. You don't know shit about much of anything.
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> Bush outted Plane, that's definitely treason. The
> child you mention was apparently collaborating
> with terrorists and why is it you only care when
> the children killed are Americans?
Another lie. Bush didn't out anyone and in fact, refused to pardon Scooter Libby, who also didn't out anyone but, based on the testimony of a DEAD Tim Russert, went to jail for lying to a grand jury (you know, like Bill and Hillary did). One of Colin Powell's flunkies, Richard Armitage outed Plame. Both Armitage and Powell were working against Bush by leaking stuff the press about the Iraq War to keep their tidy whities clean. You don't know shit about much of anything.
Re: Thank you Obozo and the libertards!
Posted by:
Gerrymandererr2
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Date: January 03, 2014 11:24AM
ColumnNo.4 Wrote:
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> Bush outted Plane, that's definitely treason. The
> child you mention was apparently collaborating
> with terrorists and why is it you only care when
> the children killed are Americans?
The child was NOT working with terrorists. Prove it. He was an American citizen. It is treason for a president to assassinate an American citizen without legal proceedings. Hussein Obama took an oath to defend the constitution. He has broken it. Quit trying to change the subject. The blood of many children are all on the hands of liberals that voted a Muslim terrorist for President. Hussein's Syrian rebels murdered a busload of women and children by cutting their heads off because they were Christians. Hussein Obama wrecklessly drones schools and hospitals killing children. Where is the liberal outrage? There is none. Liberals make it legal to murder their own species. Liberals love killing children, it's what they are best at. Reality proves it. Over 1 million babies murdered by abortion in the US alone, 80% due to convenience. That is pre-meditatd genocide.
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> Bush outted Plane, that's definitely treason. The
> child you mention was apparently collaborating
> with terrorists and why is it you only care when
> the children killed are Americans?
The child was NOT working with terrorists. Prove it. He was an American citizen. It is treason for a president to assassinate an American citizen without legal proceedings. Hussein Obama took an oath to defend the constitution. He has broken it. Quit trying to change the subject. The blood of many children are all on the hands of liberals that voted a Muslim terrorist for President. Hussein's Syrian rebels murdered a busload of women and children by cutting their heads off because they were Christians. Hussein Obama wrecklessly drones schools and hospitals killing children. Where is the liberal outrage? There is none. Liberals make it legal to murder their own species. Liberals love killing children, it's what they are best at. Reality proves it. Over 1 million babies murdered by abortion in the US alone, 80% due to convenience. That is pre-meditatd genocide.
Re: Thank you Obozo and the libertards!
Posted by:
ColumnNo.4
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Date: January 03, 2014 11:32AM
He was killed in drone strike while in Yemen along with several suspected Al Qaeda members. I'm also curious why you're not ranting and raving about his seventeen year old cousin who was killed in the strike, perhaps because while he may or may not have been innocent he's not an American? I have always ardently opposed the drone program, unlike the right who saw no issue with it until this boy, whose only difference from other targets was he was a US citisen, became a casualty of it.
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Posted by:
Gerrymanderer2
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Date: January 03, 2014 11:34AM
^^^ this troll imitating my name seems like a very angry confused and troubled religious extremist.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/03/2014 11:35AM by Gerrymanderer2.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/03/2014 11:35AM by Gerrymanderer2.
Re: Thank you Obozo and the libertards!
Posted by:
Gerrymanderer2
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Date: January 03, 2014 11:37AM
Both of you are wrong and sound like pieces of shit indifferent to the Constitution so shut the fuck up.
Re: Thank you Obozo and the libertards!
Posted by:
anti americn shit head libmhfgw
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Date: January 03, 2014 11:40AM
ColumnNo.4 Wrote:
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> He was killed in drone strike while in Yemen along
> with several suspected Al Qaeda members. I'm also
> curious why you're not ranting and raving about
> his seventeen year old cousin who was killed in
> the strike, perhaps because while he may or may
> not have been innocent he's not an American? I
> have always ardently opposed the drone program,
> unlike the right who saw no issue with it until
> this boy, whose only difference from other targets
> was he was a US citisen, became a casualty of it.
Okay faggot, no offense, BECAUSE HUSSEIN OBAMA IS TARGETING AMERICAN CITIZENS!!!!!
It's treason! Not to mention the several other citizens he murdered.
Hussein Obama and Eric Holder bring terrorists to the USA to stand trial so they can gain constitutional rights instead of being tried in a military court but yet they assassinate American citizens? You support that? I hope your next.
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> He was killed in drone strike while in Yemen along
> with several suspected Al Qaeda members. I'm also
> curious why you're not ranting and raving about
> his seventeen year old cousin who was killed in
> the strike, perhaps because while he may or may
> not have been innocent he's not an American? I
> have always ardently opposed the drone program,
> unlike the right who saw no issue with it until
> this boy, whose only difference from other targets
> was he was a US citisen, became a casualty of it.
Okay faggot, no offense, BECAUSE HUSSEIN OBAMA IS TARGETING AMERICAN CITIZENS!!!!!
It's treason! Not to mention the several other citizens he murdered.
Hussein Obama and Eric Holder bring terrorists to the USA to stand trial so they can gain constitutional rights instead of being tried in a military court but yet they assassinate American citizens? You support that? I hope your next.
Re: Thank you Obozo and the libertards!
Posted by:
ColonoscopyNo.4
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Date: January 03, 2014 11:41AM
ColumnNo.4 Wrote:
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> He was killed in drone strike while in Yemen along
> with several suspected Al Qaeda members. I'm also
> curious why you're not ranting and raving about
> his seventeen year old cousin who was killed in
> the strike, perhaps because while he may or may
> not have been innocent he's not an American? I
> have always ardently opposed the drone program,
> unlike the right who saw no issue with it until
> this boy, whose only difference from other targets
> was he was a US citisen, became a casualty of it.
Yeah, maybe because the US government killing US citizens without proper due process violates the US constitution. You, being some ignorant, limey piece of shit, wouldn't understand stuff like that.
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> He was killed in drone strike while in Yemen along
> with several suspected Al Qaeda members. I'm also
> curious why you're not ranting and raving about
> his seventeen year old cousin who was killed in
> the strike, perhaps because while he may or may
> not have been innocent he's not an American? I
> have always ardently opposed the drone program,
> unlike the right who saw no issue with it until
> this boy, whose only difference from other targets
> was he was a US citisen, became a casualty of it.
Yeah, maybe because the US government killing US citizens without proper due process violates the US constitution. You, being some ignorant, limey piece of shit, wouldn't understand stuff like that.
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Posted by:
Gerry's Butthurt Feelings
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Date: January 03, 2014 11:42AM
Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> Both of you are wrong and sound like pieces of
> shit indifferent to the Constitution so shut the
> fuck up.
Shut the fuck up you useless trolling retard. No one gives a shit about you. Kill yourself and do the world a favor you fucking fat-assed fuckstick.
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> Both of you are wrong and sound like pieces of
> shit indifferent to the Constitution so shut the
> fuck up.
Shut the fuck up you useless trolling retard. No one gives a shit about you. Kill yourself and do the world a favor you fucking fat-assed fuckstick.
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Posted by:
ColumnNo.4
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Date: January 03, 2014 11:45AM
Quite telling that you only care about American targets that may or may not be guilty of collusion and not innocents in general.
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Posted by:
Gerry's Lost IQ
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Date: January 03, 2014 11:47AM
Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> Both of you are wrong and sound like pieces of
> shit indifferent to the Constitution so shut the
> fuck up.
Your games don't work here bitch. Try again somewhere else.
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> Both of you are wrong and sound like pieces of
> shit indifferent to the Constitution so shut the
> fuck up.
Your games don't work here bitch. Try again somewhere else.
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Posted by:
Gerrymanderer2
()
Date: January 03, 2014 11:52AM
You got one guy saying the president is a terrorist because his daddy was a Muslim citing the Constitution when we have freedom of religion in this country. The other retard trying to justify the assasination of an American teenager without trial by the federal government.
Something even the government says was a grave mistake. Both are two retards with no business having the basis of their debate being the Constitution
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/03/2014 11:55AM by Gerrymanderer2.
Something even the government says was a grave mistake. Both are two retards with no business having the basis of their debate being the Constitution
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/03/2014 11:55AM by Gerrymanderer2.
Re: Thank you Obozo and the libertards!
Posted by:
Reailty: Conservative's Enemy
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Date: January 03, 2014 11:54AM
Only a conservative would care so much that a terrorist died. Probably because they've got so much in common with Islamic fundamentalists.
Re: Thank you Obozo and the libertards!
Posted by:
Stabitha
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Date: January 03, 2014 11:55AM
You retards might want to review what the topic of this thread is.
Long live the 2nd Amendment!
Long live the 2nd Amendment!
Re: Thank you Obozo and the libertards!
Posted by:
Gerrymanderer2
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Date: January 03, 2014 11:55AM
STFU Stabitha nobody fuckin asked you.
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Posted by:
Stabitha
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Date: January 03, 2014 12:00PM
Who the hell asked you........ Only people that want to see you self implode for umpteenth time.
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Posted by:
What, what?
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Date: January 03, 2014 12:03PM
Reailty: Conservative's Enemy Wrote:
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> Only a conservative would care so much that a
> terrorist died. Probably because they've got so
> much in common with Islamic fundamentalists.
Let's see last time I checked, hold on...... Uh, yep HUSSEIN Obama is still a democrat. Hussein Obama trains, funds and arms Muslim terrorist rebels in Egypt, Libya and Syria. No wonder Egypt has brought criminal charges against him. Hope they come and get him.
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> Only a conservative would care so much that a
> terrorist died. Probably because they've got so
> much in common with Islamic fundamentalists.
Let's see last time I checked, hold on...... Uh, yep HUSSEIN Obama is still a democrat. Hussein Obama trains, funds and arms Muslim terrorist rebels in Egypt, Libya and Syria. No wonder Egypt has brought criminal charges against him. Hope they come and get him.
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Posted by:
Passionate liberal
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Date: January 03, 2014 12:08PM
This girl watched as Obama supported rebels murdered her parents and then cut out her heart. This is what liberals are passionate about. Dead children. Long live liberal Islam!
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Posted by:
ColumnNo.4
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Date: January 03, 2014 12:12PM
I can post a plethora of information pertaining to right wing support of right wing overthrows and dirty wars in Latin America.
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Posted by:
ColumnNo.4
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Date: January 03, 2014 12:12PM
I can post a plethora of information pertaining to right wing support of right wing overthrows and dirty wars in Latin America.
Re: Thank you Obozo and the libertards!
Posted by:
ColumnNo.4
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Date: January 03, 2014 12:12PM
I can post a plethora of information pertaining to right wing support of right wing overthrows and dirty wars in Latin America.
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Posted by:
Reality: Conservative's Enemy
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Date: January 03, 2014 12:13PM
Passionate liberal Wrote:
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> This girl watched as Obama supported rebels
> murdered her parents and then cut out her heart.
> This is what liberals are passionate about. Dead
> children. Long live liberal Islam!
Conservatives are equally passionate about dead children: as long as they're American.
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> This girl watched as Obama supported rebels
> murdered her parents and then cut out her heart.
> This is what liberals are passionate about. Dead
> children. Long live liberal Islam!
Conservatives are equally passionate about dead children: as long as they're American.
Re: Thank you Obozo and the libertards!
Posted by:
Reality: Conservative's Enemy
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Date: January 03, 2014 12:21PM
What, what? Wrote:
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> Let's see last time I checked, hold on...... Uh,
> yep HUSSEIN Obama is still a democrat. Hussein
> Obama trains, funds and arms Muslim terrorist
> rebels in Egypt, Libya and Syria. No wonder Egypt
> has brought criminal charges against him. Hope
> they come and get him.
My, deflecting already? That's not what I meant when I said you have a lot in common with them. You're both against separation of church and state, against homosexuality and all that implies, against women's right to choose, wants a sex-negative society, loves guns, and has no qualms with using violence to get what they want.
American conservatives and Islamic fundamentalists: two peas in a pod.
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> Let's see last time I checked, hold on...... Uh,
> yep HUSSEIN Obama is still a democrat. Hussein
> Obama trains, funds and arms Muslim terrorist
> rebels in Egypt, Libya and Syria. No wonder Egypt
> has brought criminal charges against him. Hope
> they come and get him.
My, deflecting already? That's not what I meant when I said you have a lot in common with them. You're both against separation of church and state, against homosexuality and all that implies, against women's right to choose, wants a sex-negative society, loves guns, and has no qualms with using violence to get what they want.
American conservatives and Islamic fundamentalists: two peas in a pod.
Re: Thank you Obozo and the libertards!
Posted by:
fake
()
Date: January 03, 2014 12:22PM
Are those the kids from the school shooting where liberal policies made it a gun free zone and a target for psycho killers? The school staff was left defenseless and liberal policies made it like shooting fish in a barrel.
OK, that's what I thought.
Thanks.
OK, that's what I thought.
Thanks.
Re: Thank you Obozo and the libertards!
Posted by:
ColumnNo.4
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Date: January 03, 2014 12:28PM
Only a moron would believe that in the most armed country in the world that the solution to mass shootings is more guns.
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Posted by:
liberals are morons
()
Date: January 03, 2014 12:34PM
ColumnNo.4 Wrote:
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> Only a moron would believe that in the most armed
> country in the world that the solution to mass
> shootings is more guns.
If the school was armed the chances of that happening are almost completely eliminated.
What is moronic is banning guns from law abiding citizens so that only criminals can have them. Disarming citizens is yet just another thing Hitler did. Of course libs are fine with genocide. They just don't discriminate. Liberals are so barbaric that they murder their own species and disguise it as a woman's right to choose. Over a million murdered babies in the US alone is a great choice. At least you are murdering your own gene pool.
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> Only a moron would believe that in the most armed
> country in the world that the solution to mass
> shootings is more guns.
If the school was armed the chances of that happening are almost completely eliminated.
What is moronic is banning guns from law abiding citizens so that only criminals can have them. Disarming citizens is yet just another thing Hitler did. Of course libs are fine with genocide. They just don't discriminate. Liberals are so barbaric that they murder their own species and disguise it as a woman's right to choose. Over a million murdered babies in the US alone is a great choice. At least you are murdering your own gene pool.
Re: Thank you Obozo and the libertards!
Posted by:
Stabitha
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Date: January 03, 2014 12:39PM
Who would you rather attack if you were a criminal or a deranged nut job:
A school or business without any way to defend itself except for hiding in closets the calling the cops which probably wont get there in time to do any good?
Or
A school or business with a trained and armed individual(s) who knows how to disable or kill your ass instantly?
A school or business without any way to defend itself except for hiding in closets the calling the cops which probably wont get there in time to do any good?
Or
A school or business with a trained and armed individual(s) who knows how to disable or kill your ass instantly?
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Posted by:
ColumnNo.4
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Date: January 03, 2014 12:40PM
Spoken like a true action movie aficionado. A history buff you are not. Hitler's gun laws were considerable less restrictive than the Weimar Republic.
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Posted by:
ColumnNo.4
()
Date: January 03, 2014 12:43PM
Stabitha Wrote:
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> Who would you rather attack if you were a criminal
> or a deranged nut job:
>
> A school or business without any way to defend
> itself except for hiding in closets the calling
> the cops which probably wont get there in time to
> do any good?
>
> Or
>
> A school or business with a trained and armed
> individual(s) who knows how to disable or kill
> your ass instantly?
I take it you've never seen the experiments showing just how ineffective those "trained killers" when confronted by an armed assailant. Even police accuracy plummets when confronted with an armed suspect engaging them in a firefight.
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> Who would you rather attack if you were a criminal
> or a deranged nut job:
>
> A school or business without any way to defend
> itself except for hiding in closets the calling
> the cops which probably wont get there in time to
> do any good?
>
> Or
>
> A school or business with a trained and armed
> individual(s) who knows how to disable or kill
> your ass instantly?
I take it you've never seen the experiments showing just how ineffective those "trained killers" when confronted by an armed assailant. Even police accuracy plummets when confronted with an armed suspect engaging them in a firefight.
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Posted by:
hitler loves obama
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Date: January 03, 2014 12:44PM
ColumnNo.4 Wrote:
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> Spoken like a true action movie aficionado. A
> history buff you are not. Hitler's gun laws were
> considerable less restrictive than the Weimar
> Republic.
I hear that Hitlers showers were nice and warm too.
You do enjoy getting pwned don't you.
Guess that's why you let your daddy rape your ass.
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> Spoken like a true action movie aficionado. A
> history buff you are not. Hitler's gun laws were
> considerable less restrictive than the Weimar
> Republic.
I hear that Hitlers showers were nice and warm too.
You do enjoy getting pwned don't you.
Guess that's why you let your daddy rape your ass.
Re: Thank you Obozo and the libertards!
Posted by:
ColumnNo.4
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Date: January 03, 2014 12:50PM
hitler loves obama Wrote:
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> ColumnNo.4 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Spoken like a true action movie aficionado. A
> > history buff you are not. Hitler's gun laws
> were
> > considerable less restrictive than the Weimar
> > Republic.
>
>
> I hear that Hitlers showers were nice and warm
> too.
> You do enjoy getting pwned don't you.
> Guess that's why you let your daddy rape your ass.
Still struggle with maturity, huh?
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> ColumnNo.4 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Spoken like a true action movie aficionado. A
> > history buff you are not. Hitler's gun laws
> were
> > considerable less restrictive than the Weimar
> > Republic.
>
>
> I hear that Hitlers showers were nice and warm
> too.
> You do enjoy getting pwned don't you.
> Guess that's why you let your daddy rape your ass.
Still struggle with maturity, huh?
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Posted by:
Stabitha
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Date: January 03, 2014 12:53PM
ColumnNo.4 Wrote:
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> > I take it you've never seen the experiments
> showing just how ineffective those "trained
> killers" when confronted by an armed assailant.
> Even police accuracy plummets when confronted with
> an armed suspect engaging them in a firefight.
You didnt answer the question (predictably) but all I can say is I'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it.
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> > I take it you've never seen the experiments
> showing just how ineffective those "trained
> killers" when confronted by an armed assailant.
> Even police accuracy plummets when confronted with
> an armed suspect engaging them in a firefight.
You didnt answer the question (predictably) but all I can say is I'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it.
Re: Thank you Obozo and the libertards!
Posted by:
ColumnNo.4
()
Date: January 03, 2014 01:01PM
Stabitha Wrote:
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> ColumnNo.4 Wrote:
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> -----
> > > I take it you've never seen the experiments
> > showing just how ineffective those "trained
> > killers" when confronted by an armed assailant.
>
> > Even police accuracy plummets when confronted
> with
> > an armed suspect engaging them in a firefight.
>
>
> You didnt answer the question (predictably) but
> all I can say is I'd rather have it and not need
> it than need it and not have it.
I'd rather have no guns or a police officer in the school. I sure as hell don't want fifty or more armed people, all with half passed training, all attempting to identify the correct threat and in all likelihood winding up shooting bystanders or each other.
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> ColumnNo.4 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > > I take it you've never seen the experiments
> > showing just how ineffective those "trained
> > killers" when confronted by an armed assailant.
>
> > Even police accuracy plummets when confronted
> with
> > an armed suspect engaging them in a firefight.
>
>
> You didnt answer the question (predictably) but
> all I can say is I'd rather have it and not need
> it than need it and not have it.
I'd rather have no guns or a police officer in the school. I sure as hell don't want fifty or more armed people, all with half passed training, all attempting to identify the correct threat and in all likelihood winding up shooting bystanders or each other.
Re: Thank you Obozo and the libertards!
Posted by:
Stabitha
()
Date: January 03, 2014 01:03PM
Why would you assume someone couldnt be trained to use a firearm properly?
Criminals dont get training do they?
Criminals dont get training do they?
Re: Thank you Obozo and the libertards!
Posted by:
ColumnNo.4
()
Date: January 03, 2014 01:06PM
Anyone can be trained on a firearm, training for a firefight is another story, one cannot recreate the adrenaline, the tunnel vision, all of the things that are induced by incoming fire.
Re: Thank you Obozo and the libertards!
Posted by:
Stabitha
()
Date: January 03, 2014 01:08PM
But people are trained for that type of activity every day....right?
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Posted by:
Libs protect criminals
()
Date: January 03, 2014 01:18PM
ColumnNo.4 Wrote:
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> Stabitha Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > ColumnNo.4 Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > > I take it you've never seen the experiments
> > > showing just how ineffective those "trained
> > > killers" when confronted by an armed
> assailant.
> >
> > > Even police accuracy plummets when confronted
> > with
> > > an armed suspect engaging them in a
> firefight.
> >
> >
> > You didnt answer the question (predictably) but
> > all I can say is I'd rather have it and not
> need
> > it than need it and not have it.
>
> I'd rather have no guns or a police officer in the
> school. I sure as hell don't want fifty or more
> armed people, all with half passed training, all
> attempting to identify the correct threat and in
> all likelihood winding up shooting bystanders or
> each other.
God forbid only two people get killed. We're liberals. We want to make sure that the armed criminal is able to murder as many children as possible before the police can come and stop them.
Liberals protect criminals. Always have, always will.
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> Stabitha Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > ColumnNo.4 Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > > I take it you've never seen the experiments
> > > showing just how ineffective those "trained
> > > killers" when confronted by an armed
> assailant.
> >
> > > Even police accuracy plummets when confronted
> > with
> > > an armed suspect engaging them in a
> firefight.
> >
> >
> > You didnt answer the question (predictably) but
> > all I can say is I'd rather have it and not
> need
> > it than need it and not have it.
>
> I'd rather have no guns or a police officer in the
> school. I sure as hell don't want fifty or more
> armed people, all with half passed training, all
> attempting to identify the correct threat and in
> all likelihood winding up shooting bystanders or
> each other.
God forbid only two people get killed. We're liberals. We want to make sure that the armed criminal is able to murder as many children as possible before the police can come and stop them.
Liberals protect criminals. Always have, always will.
Re: Thank you Obozo and the libertards!
Posted by:
columnno4 pussy
()
Date: January 03, 2014 01:21PM
ColumnNo.4 Wrote:
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> Anyone can be trained on a firearm, training for a
> firefight is another story, one cannot recreate
> the adrenaline, the tunnel vision, all of the
> things that are induced by incoming fire.
Of course a liberal felcher as yourself would say that. Tell it to our honorable marines you punk ass fag bitch.
You promote mass shootings in schools and disarming Americans. You are gras.
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> Anyone can be trained on a firearm, training for a
> firefight is another story, one cannot recreate
> the adrenaline, the tunnel vision, all of the
> things that are induced by incoming fire.
Of course a liberal felcher as yourself would say that. Tell it to our honorable marines you punk ass fag bitch.
You promote mass shootings in schools and disarming Americans. You are gras.
Re: Thank you Obozo and the libertards!
Posted by:
ColumnNo.4
()
Date: January 03, 2014 01:21PM
I'm not sure what you're referring to but no, they're trained to run a weapon quickly and effectively, teamwork, etc., they're not trained to cope with the physical and psychological effects of combat stress. Things happen when one is subjected to incoming fire that cannot be recreated in a training environment.
I'd rather have a police officer whose job is security and protection than a citisen whose job is something else and they dabble in firearms training.
I'd rather have a police officer whose job is security and protection than a citisen whose job is something else and they dabble in firearms training.
Re: Thank you Obozo and the libertards!
Posted by:
ColumnNo.4
()
Date: January 03, 2014 01:24PM
columnno4 pussy Wrote:
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> ColumnNo.4 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Anyone can be trained on a firearm, training for
> a
> > firefight is another story, one cannot recreate
> > the adrenaline, the tunnel vision, all of the
> > things that are induced by incoming fire.
>
>
> Of course a liberal felcher as yourself would say
> that. Tell it to our honorable marines you punk
> ass fag bitch.
>
> You promote mass shootings in schools and
> disarming Americans. You are gras.
I have served, as have many in my family, and The 'Corp has nothing to do with the conversation at hand. You also need to grow up, your tantrums are embarrassing.
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> ColumnNo.4 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Anyone can be trained on a firearm, training for
> a
> > firefight is another story, one cannot recreate
> > the adrenaline, the tunnel vision, all of the
> > things that are induced by incoming fire.
>
>
> Of course a liberal felcher as yourself would say
> that. Tell it to our honorable marines you punk
> ass fag bitch.
>
> You promote mass shootings in schools and
> disarming Americans. You are gras.
I have served, as have many in my family, and The 'Corp has nothing to do with the conversation at hand. You also need to grow up, your tantrums are embarrassing.
Re: Thank you Obozo and the libertards!
Posted by:
ColonoscopyNo.4
()
Date: January 03, 2014 01:35PM
ColumnNo.4 Wrote:
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> Spoken like a true action movie aficionado. A
> history buff you are not. Hitler's gun laws were
> considerable less restrictive than the Weimar
> Republic.
Hilter allowed Nazi party members to own guns, wanting to create a potential private army if need be and a loyalist militia in case it was needed (most probably to be used against fellow Germans). The Weimar Republic had already basically confiscated most guns and had the lists of all gun owners. Hitler used both of these to insure only those loyal to him and his party owned guns. Spinning the facts again Column. I'm sure all your liberal idiot friends don't know the facts and history but, unfortunately for you, there are many here on FFU that do. Moron
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> Spoken like a true action movie aficionado. A
> history buff you are not. Hitler's gun laws were
> considerable less restrictive than the Weimar
> Republic.
Hilter allowed Nazi party members to own guns, wanting to create a potential private army if need be and a loyalist militia in case it was needed (most probably to be used against fellow Germans). The Weimar Republic had already basically confiscated most guns and had the lists of all gun owners. Hitler used both of these to insure only those loyal to him and his party owned guns. Spinning the facts again Column. I'm sure all your liberal idiot friends don't know the facts and history but, unfortunately for you, there are many here on FFU that do. Moron
Re: Thank you Obozo and the libertards!
Posted by:
Little Dick Cheney
()
Date: January 03, 2014 01:37PM
ColumnNo.4 Wrote:
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>
> I'd rather have a police officer whose job is
> security and protection than a citisen whose job
> is something else and they dabble in firearms
> training.
+1
Only the well-trained police and military government enforcers should have weapons.
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.
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>
> I'd rather have a police officer whose job is
> security and protection than a citisen whose job
> is something else and they dabble in firearms
> training.
+1
Only the well-trained police and military government enforcers should have weapons.
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.
.
.
Re: Thank you Obozo and the libertards!
Posted by:
ColumnNo.4
()
Date: January 03, 2014 01:38PM
There's not a single thing spun in my post. The Weimar Republic had stricter gun laws. Hitler made gun ownership easier for everyone not deemed enemies of the state, ie. Jews, homosexuals, etc. Keep selectively reading history.
Re: Thank you Obozo and the libertards!
Posted by:
ColumnNo.4
()
Date: January 03, 2014 01:41PM
Funny you use pictures from protests whose crackdown you probably supported. Are you saying that we need more firearms not to protect ourselves from criminals but to protect ourselves from the state? How effective do you think your AR will be if the state rolled on you in that MRAP or an Abrams?
Re: Thank you Obozo and the libertards!
Posted by:
ColonoscopyNo.4
()
Date: January 03, 2014 01:44PM
ColumnNo.4 Wrote:
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> There's not a single thing spun in my post. The
> Weimar Republic had stricter gun laws. Hitler
> made gun ownership easier for everyone not deemed
> enemies of the state, ie. Jews, homosexuals, etc.
> Keep selectively reading history.
LOL. Caught lying again and then agreeing with my correction like that's what you meant all along. You lie in every post. Nothing new ~ yawn
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> There's not a single thing spun in my post. The
> Weimar Republic had stricter gun laws. Hitler
> made gun ownership easier for everyone not deemed
> enemies of the state, ie. Jews, homosexuals, etc.
> Keep selectively reading history.
LOL. Caught lying again and then agreeing with my correction like that's what you meant all along. You lie in every post. Nothing new ~ yawn
Re: Thank you Obozo and the libertards!
Posted by:
ColumnNo.4
()
Date: January 03, 2014 01:47PM
ColonoscopyNo.4 Wrote:
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> ColumnNo.4 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > There's not a single thing spun in my post.
> The
> > Weimar Republic had stricter gun laws. Hitler
> > made gun ownership easier for everyone not
> deemed
> > enemies of the state, ie. Jews, homosexuals,
> etc.
> > Keep selectively reading history.
>
>
> LOL. Caught lying again and then agreeing with my
> correction like that's what you meant all along.
> You lie in every post. Nothing new ~ yawn
You didn't catch me in anything remotely like a lie. The Weimar had stricter gun laws.
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> ColumnNo.4 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > There's not a single thing spun in my post.
> The
> > Weimar Republic had stricter gun laws. Hitler
> > made gun ownership easier for everyone not
> deemed
> > enemies of the state, ie. Jews, homosexuals,
> etc.
> > Keep selectively reading history.
>
>
> LOL. Caught lying again and then agreeing with my
> correction like that's what you meant all along.
> You lie in every post. Nothing new ~ yawn
You didn't catch me in anything remotely like a lie. The Weimar had stricter gun laws.
Re: Thank you Obozo and the libertards!
Posted by:
ColonoscopyNo.4
()
Date: January 03, 2014 02:09PM
ColumnNo.4 Wrote:
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> ColonoscopyNo.4 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > ColumnNo.4 Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > There's not a single thing spun in my post.
> > The
> > > Weimar Republic had stricter gun laws.
> Hitler
> > > made gun ownership easier for everyone not
> > deemed
> > > enemies of the state, ie. Jews, homosexuals,
> > etc.
> > > Keep selectively reading history.
> >
> >
> > LOL. Caught lying again and then agreeing with
> my
> > correction like that's what you meant all along.
>
> > You lie in every post. Nothing new ~ yawn
>
> You didn't catch me in anything remotely like a
> lie. The Weimar had stricter gun laws.
When caught lying, you always deny it and spin it up again. Nothing new ~ yawn
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> ColonoscopyNo.4 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > ColumnNo.4 Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > There's not a single thing spun in my post.
> > The
> > > Weimar Republic had stricter gun laws.
> Hitler
> > > made gun ownership easier for everyone not
> > deemed
> > > enemies of the state, ie. Jews, homosexuals,
> > etc.
> > > Keep selectively reading history.
> >
> >
> > LOL. Caught lying again and then agreeing with
> my
> > correction like that's what you meant all along.
>
> > You lie in every post. Nothing new ~ yawn
>
> You didn't catch me in anything remotely like a
> lie. The Weimar had stricter gun laws.
When caught lying, you always deny it and spin it up again. Nothing new ~ yawn
Re: Thank you Obozo and the libertards!
Posted by:
ColumnNo.4
()
Date: January 03, 2014 02:11PM
ColonoscopyNo.4 Wrote:
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> ColumnNo.4 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > ColonoscopyNo.4 Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > ColumnNo.4 Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > There's not a single thing spun in my post.
>
> > > The
> > > > Weimar Republic had stricter gun laws.
> > Hitler
> > > > made gun ownership easier for everyone not
> > > deemed
> > > > enemies of the state, ie. Jews,
> homosexuals,
> > > etc.
> > > > Keep selectively reading history.
> > >
> > >
> > > LOL. Caught lying again and then agreeing
> with
> > my
> > > correction like that's what you meant all
> along.
> >
> > > You lie in every post. Nothing new ~ yawn
> >
> > You didn't catch me in anything remotely like a
> > lie. The Weimar had stricter gun laws.
>
>
> When caught lying, you always deny it and spin it
> up again. Nothing new ~ yawn
Wow, you're really going to attempt to revise history. That is exceptionally American.
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> ColumnNo.4 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > ColonoscopyNo.4 Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > ColumnNo.4 Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > There's not a single thing spun in my post.
>
> > > The
> > > > Weimar Republic had stricter gun laws.
> > Hitler
> > > > made gun ownership easier for everyone not
> > > deemed
> > > > enemies of the state, ie. Jews,
> homosexuals,
> > > etc.
> > > > Keep selectively reading history.
> > >
> > >
> > > LOL. Caught lying again and then agreeing
> with
> > my
> > > correction like that's what you meant all
> along.
> >
> > > You lie in every post. Nothing new ~ yawn
> >
> > You didn't catch me in anything remotely like a
> > lie. The Weimar had stricter gun laws.
>
>
> When caught lying, you always deny it and spin it
> up again. Nothing new ~ yawn
Wow, you're really going to attempt to revise history. That is exceptionally American.
Re: Thank you Obozo and the libertards!
Posted by:
If you can't trust government
()
Date: January 03, 2014 02:39PM
ColumnNo.4 Wrote:
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> Funny you use pictures from protests whose
> crackdown you probably supported. Are you saying
> that we need more firearms not to protect
> ourselves from criminals but to protect ourselves
> from the state? How effective do you think your
> AR will be if the state rolled on you in that MRAP
> or an Abrams?
... who can you trust?
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> Funny you use pictures from protests whose
> crackdown you probably supported. Are you saying
> that we need more firearms not to protect
> ourselves from criminals but to protect ourselves
> from the state? How effective do you think your
> AR will be if the state rolled on you in that MRAP
> or an Abrams?
... who can you trust?
Re: Thank you Obozo and the libertards!
Posted by:
Stabitha
()
Date: January 03, 2014 02:41PM
ColumnNo.4 Wrote:
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> > I'd rather have a police officer whose job is
> security and protection than a citisen whose job
> is something else and they dabble in firearms
> training.
Who arrives 10 minutes after the shooting stops.
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> > I'd rather have a police officer whose job is
> security and protection than a citisen whose job
> is something else and they dabble in firearms
> training.
Who arrives 10 minutes after the shooting stops.
Re: Thank you Obozo and the libertards!
Posted by:
ColunNo4 pwned
()
Date: January 03, 2014 02:50PM
ColumnNo.4 Wrote:
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> Funny you use pictures from protests whose
> crackdown you probably supported. Are you saying
> that we need more firearms not to protect
> ourselves from criminals but to protect ourselves
> from the state? How effective do you think your
> AR will be if the state rolled on you in that MRAP
> or an Abrams?
This is why you and the rest of the liberals are little bitch faggots. Live in fear and gladly give up your liberty to the feds. Not what is written in our constitution. This is why liberals are anti American. You hate the constitution.
Your lack of knowledge with marines that are combat trained is evident again in this post. What you are proposing will never happen. Perhaps you and Obama are okay murdering Americans citizens without due process but marines would never start shooting Americans on their homeland. They would take Obama out first.
It is in our Constitution that we have the right to bear arms. Why do you have a problem with that? We have the right to form militia. When the time comes you will know why.
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> Funny you use pictures from protests whose
> crackdown you probably supported. Are you saying
> that we need more firearms not to protect
> ourselves from criminals but to protect ourselves
> from the state? How effective do you think your
> AR will be if the state rolled on you in that MRAP
> or an Abrams?
This is why you and the rest of the liberals are little bitch faggots. Live in fear and gladly give up your liberty to the feds. Not what is written in our constitution. This is why liberals are anti American. You hate the constitution.
Your lack of knowledge with marines that are combat trained is evident again in this post. What you are proposing will never happen. Perhaps you and Obama are okay murdering Americans citizens without due process but marines would never start shooting Americans on their homeland. They would take Obama out first.
It is in our Constitution that we have the right to bear arms. Why do you have a problem with that? We have the right to form militia. When the time comes you will know why.
Re: Thank you Obozo and the libertards!
Posted by:
liberals would never understand
()
Date: January 03, 2014 03:07PM
Liberals would never understand risking their life for their beliefs. They don't have any.
Attachments:
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Re: Thank you Obozo and the libertards!
Posted by:
Stabitha
()
Date: January 03, 2014 03:09PM
liberals would never understand Wrote:
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> Liberals would never understand risking their life
> for their beliefs. They don't have any.
When you stand for nothing, you will fall for anything.
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> Liberals would never understand risking their life
> for their beliefs. They don't have any.
When you stand for nothing, you will fall for anything.
Re: Thank you Obozo and the libertards!
Posted by:
June 4, 1989, Tiananmen Square
()
Date: January 03, 2014 03:13PM
June 4, 1989, Tiananmen Square Massacre. This is what happens in an unarmed (liberal totalitarian fascist society).
Remember this? Oh, no? You're just a stupid punk ass kid.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XJBnHMpHGRY&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DXJBnHMpHGRY
Remember this? Oh, no? You're just a stupid punk ass kid.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XJBnHMpHGRY&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DXJBnHMpHGRY
Re: Thank you Obozo and the libertards!
Posted by:
Uh huh...
()
Date: January 03, 2014 03:15PM
Stabitha Wrote:
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> liberals would never understand Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Liberals would never understand risking their
> life
> > for their beliefs. They don't have any.
>
> When you stand for nothing, you will fall for
> anything.
Right back at ya.
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> liberals would never understand Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Liberals would never understand risking their
> life
> > for their beliefs. They don't have any.
>
> When you stand for nothing, you will fall for
> anything.
Right back at ya.
Re: Thank you Obozo and the libertards!
Posted by:
ColumnNo.4
()
Date: January 03, 2014 03:30PM
I'm referring to a police officer in every school. Hell they practically have that now.
Keep the bigotry to yourself.
"liberal totalitarian fascist society" is contradictory.
Keep the bigotry to yourself.
"liberal totalitarian fascist society" is contradictory.
Re: Thank you Obozo and the libertards!
Posted by:
Stabitha
()
Date: January 03, 2014 04:31PM
ColumnNo.4 Wrote:
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> I'm referring to a police officer in every school.
> Hell they practically have that now.
>
>
No cop at Sandy Hook. No cop at Columbine. No cop at VA tech.
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> I'm referring to a police officer in every school.
> Hell they practically have that now.
>
>
No cop at Sandy Hook. No cop at Columbine. No cop at VA tech.
Re: Thank you Obozo and the libertards!
Posted by:
ColumnNo.4
()
Date: January 03, 2014 04:35PM
Stabitha Wrote:
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> ColumnNo.4 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I'm referring to a police officer in every
> school.
> > Hell they practically have that now.
> >
> >
>
> No cop at Sandy Hook. No cop at Columbine. No cop
> at VA tech.
No, those schools didn't, however I never went to a school that didn't have a "resource officer". Even the posh schools in the all white areas had one.
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> ColumnNo.4 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I'm referring to a police officer in every
> school.
> > Hell they practically have that now.
> >
> >
>
> No cop at Sandy Hook. No cop at Columbine. No cop
> at VA tech.
No, those schools didn't, however I never went to a school that didn't have a "resource officer". Even the posh schools in the all white areas had one.
Re: Thank you Obozo and the libertards!
Posted by:
Stabitha
()
Date: January 03, 2014 04:47PM
Which is why your school never got shot up. Thanks for making my point.
Re: Thank you Obozo and the libertards!
Posted by:
ColumnNo.4
()
Date: January 03, 2014 04:52PM
Stabitha Wrote:
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> Which is why your school never got shot up. Thanks
> for making my point.
I didn't make your point. I advocated for a "resource officer" in every school as opposed to training and arming faculty.
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> Which is why your school never got shot up. Thanks
> for making my point.
I didn't make your point. I advocated for a "resource officer" in every school as opposed to training and arming faculty.
Re: Thank you Obozo and the libertards!
Posted by:
Stabitha
()
Date: January 03, 2014 05:00PM
What the hell is the difference? A trained person with a firearm is a trained person with a firearm. I'm not talking about giving the Librarian a Glock.
You made my point because you agree a school or business staffed by somebody with a weapon is safer than one without.
You made my point because you agree a school or business staffed by somebody with a weapon is safer than one without.
Re: Thank you Obozo and the libertards!
Posted by:
ColumnNo.4
()
Date: January 03, 2014 05:05PM
I never disagreed with you on and armed person being there, where I was disagreeing with someone was the idea of training and arming people whose jobs are not law enforcement, are not security and do not have the experience to be operating a firearm under stress. One or two police officers responding to a school shooting is infinitely safer and more effective than having half the school armed and mistaking each other for the shooter.
Re: Thank you Obozo and the libertards!
Posted by:
Qeni
()
Date: January 03, 2014 05:09PM
The last thing I want is my family in the presence of some gun nut yahoo who is waiting to get a hard on by pulling his gun out playing Loneranger.
Re: Thank you Obozo and the libertards!
Posted by:
Stabitha
()
Date: January 03, 2014 05:11PM
ColumnNo.4 Wrote:
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> I never disagreed with you on and armed person
> being there, where I was disagreeing with someone
> was the idea of training and arming people whose
> jobs are not law enforcement, are not security and
> do not have the experience to be operating a
> firearm under stress. One or two police officers
> responding to a school shooting is infinitely
> safer and more effective than having half the
> school armed and mistaking each other for the
> shooter.
You are painting with a wide brush for the liberal agenda. No one is talking about every teacher walking around school with an AK-47. If you are talking about having a cop in every school, that's never gonna happen. Already been discussed and too expensive. But it's no different than selecting a staff member to undergo firearms training. Surely you arent saying cops are the only people smart enough to handle a weapon in a confrontational situation?
Either way, an armed school is a safer school. That's my point from the start.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/03/2014 05:12PM by Stabitha.
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> I never disagreed with you on and armed person
> being there, where I was disagreeing with someone
> was the idea of training and arming people whose
> jobs are not law enforcement, are not security and
> do not have the experience to be operating a
> firearm under stress. One or two police officers
> responding to a school shooting is infinitely
> safer and more effective than having half the
> school armed and mistaking each other for the
> shooter.
You are painting with a wide brush for the liberal agenda. No one is talking about every teacher walking around school with an AK-47. If you are talking about having a cop in every school, that's never gonna happen. Already been discussed and too expensive. But it's no different than selecting a staff member to undergo firearms training. Surely you arent saying cops are the only people smart enough to handle a weapon in a confrontational situation?
Either way, an armed school is a safer school. That's my point from the start.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/03/2014 05:12PM by Stabitha.
Re: Thank you Obozo and the libertards!
Posted by:
no no no, thank YOU
()
Date: January 03, 2014 05:12PM
thank you Fagitha and the rest of the conservatarded for keep it real up here, yo!
Re: Thank you Obozo and the libertards!
Posted by:
Stabitha
()
Date: January 03, 2014 05:12PM
Qeni Wrote:
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> The last thing I want is my family in the presence
> of some gun nut yahoo who is waiting to get a hard
> on by pulling his gun out playing Loneranger.
Oh you mean like Adam Lanza?
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> The last thing I want is my family in the presence
> of some gun nut yahoo who is waiting to get a hard
> on by pulling his gun out playing Loneranger.
Oh you mean like Adam Lanza?
Re: Thank you Obozo and the libertards!
Posted by:
ColumnNo.4
()
Date: January 03, 2014 05:18PM
What you're then proposing is training teachers to a law enforcement level so that they can then take on two jobs instead of one, not to mention a job they didn't volunteer for. It's not the handling of the weapon, it's the handling of oneself when confronted by an armed individual who, in all likelihood, will not hesitate to kill you. Throw in the potential for several other faculty members to be armed and you now have one ill intentioned shooter and several armed faculty members who, in all likelihood don't know each other, running around the building attempting to take or protect targets while simultaneously attempting to eliminate the ill intentioned shooter. Throw responding law enforcement into the mix and now you have the potential for serious confusion as to who is the ill intentioned shooter.
Re: Thank you Obozo and the libertards!
Posted by:
Stabitha
()
Date: January 03, 2014 05:21PM
How many small town back woods cops do you know that have any experience pulling a gun and shooting a bad guy?
I live in a small town and I doubt the cops here have ever even pulled their gun out of the holster except on the range. Any intelligent person can be trianed how to react in a specific situation. Most cops arent real smart anyway. Believe me, I know several.
I live in a small town and I doubt the cops here have ever even pulled their gun out of the holster except on the range. Any intelligent person can be trianed how to react in a specific situation. Most cops arent real smart anyway. Believe me, I know several.
Re: Thank you Obozo and the libertards!
Posted by:
ColumnNo.4
()
Date: January 03, 2014 05:29PM
The point is their entire career is based on threat assessment and response, security, etc., not just weapons handling. I'd rather have someone whose occupation is based on the aforementioned than a merely a gun savvy faculty member.
Re: Thank you Obozo and the libertards!
Posted by:
Stabitha
()
Date: January 03, 2014 05:34PM
Their whole career? You have cops on the street in DC that are 22-23 yrs old. What whole career?
Re: Thank you Obozo and the libertards!
Posted by:
Liberal Logic 35
()
Date: January 03, 2014 05:37PM
ColumnNo.4 Wrote:
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> The point is their entire career is based on
> threat assessment and response, security, etc.,
> not just weapons handling. I'd rather have
> someone whose occupation is based on the
> aforementioned than a merely a gun savvy faculty
> member.
I see you also dont know any cops. The majority of their job is writing tickets and doing paper work. Only on tv is their job based on what you describe.
Youd think at some point you would have knowledge of the subject at hand with how many different treads youve posted in.
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> The point is their entire career is based on
> threat assessment and response, security, etc.,
> not just weapons handling. I'd rather have
> someone whose occupation is based on the
> aforementioned than a merely a gun savvy faculty
> member.
I see you also dont know any cops. The majority of their job is writing tickets and doing paper work. Only on tv is their job based on what you describe.
Youd think at some point you would have knowledge of the subject at hand with how many different treads youve posted in.
Re: Thank you Obozo and the libertards!
Posted by:
ColumnNo.4
()
Date: January 03, 2014 05:40PM
I have known some cops however that doesn't detract from the fact that their job is based on the skills aforementioned.
Re: Thank you Obozo and the libertards!
Posted by:
Liberal Logic 35
()
Date: January 03, 2014 05:42PM
ColumnNo.4 Wrote:
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> I have known some cops however that doesn't
> detract from the fact that their job is based on
> the skills aforementioned.
Actually is does when your description of their job is entirely inaccurate. Their shooting training by the way is 1-2 weeks during the academy. Former military have far more weapons experience and Marines probably shoot more in basic training than a cop does in their entire career.
Theres nothing magical they teach them that allows them to identify a threat where other people cant.
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> I have known some cops however that doesn't
> detract from the fact that their job is based on
> the skills aforementioned.
Actually is does when your description of their job is entirely inaccurate. Their shooting training by the way is 1-2 weeks during the academy. Former military have far more weapons experience and Marines probably shoot more in basic training than a cop does in their entire career.
Theres nothing magical they teach them that allows them to identify a threat where other people cant.
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ColumnNo.4
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Date: January 03, 2014 05:46PM
I'm not referring solely to weapons training, I agreed that anyone can be properly trained in firearms handling. A teacher with firearms training is not the equivalency of a police officer and the last intelligent thing to do would be to put a load of scared shitless teachers with firearms training running about firing at whomever else posses a firearm. I'll attempt to find the experiments showing trained individuals reactions to a shooter.
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Posted by:
Liberal Logic 35
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Date: January 03, 2014 05:53PM
ColumnNo.4 Wrote:
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> I'm not referring solely to weapons training, I
> agreed that anyone can be properly trained in
> firearms handling. A teacher with firearms
> training is not the equivalency of a police
> officer and the last intelligent thing to do would
> be to put a load of scared shitless teachers with
> firearms training running about firing at whomever
> else posses a firearm. I'll attempt to find the
> experiments showing trained individuals reactions
> to a shooter.
No ones ever said to FORCE teachers to do it. Youre ignoring the fact that many teachers are former LEOs or Military and the fomer Military are far better equipped to react in that situation than a cop is to begin with.
You seem to think a police officer all of a sudden has a magically ability to deal with a shooter, they dont. Theres good cops and bad cops. Every force has cops that freeze in those situations or always take the long route responding to a call making sure they arent the first on the scene.
Their training deals very little with an active shooter and could easily be replicated in a week or two over the summer for any teacher who WANTED too.
You can save the time looking for those BS news experiments too that were heavily edited to support their claims.
Ever wonder why shooters are allowed to roam free for almost an hour before any intervention is tried? Its because police carry guns to protect themselves not you. They dont go charging into a shooting. They show up set up a perimeter and wait for a swat team who will also make a decision on whether or not they think it would be safe for them to go in. By that point it doesnt even matter the shooters have already killed everyone they wanted and shot themselves.
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> I'm not referring solely to weapons training, I
> agreed that anyone can be properly trained in
> firearms handling. A teacher with firearms
> training is not the equivalency of a police
> officer and the last intelligent thing to do would
> be to put a load of scared shitless teachers with
> firearms training running about firing at whomever
> else posses a firearm. I'll attempt to find the
> experiments showing trained individuals reactions
> to a shooter.
No ones ever said to FORCE teachers to do it. Youre ignoring the fact that many teachers are former LEOs or Military and the fomer Military are far better equipped to react in that situation than a cop is to begin with.
You seem to think a police officer all of a sudden has a magically ability to deal with a shooter, they dont. Theres good cops and bad cops. Every force has cops that freeze in those situations or always take the long route responding to a call making sure they arent the first on the scene.
Their training deals very little with an active shooter and could easily be replicated in a week or two over the summer for any teacher who WANTED too.
You can save the time looking for those BS news experiments too that were heavily edited to support their claims.
Ever wonder why shooters are allowed to roam free for almost an hour before any intervention is tried? Its because police carry guns to protect themselves not you. They dont go charging into a shooting. They show up set up a perimeter and wait for a swat team who will also make a decision on whether or not they think it would be safe for them to go in. By that point it doesnt even matter the shooters have already killed everyone they wanted and shot themselves.
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Posted by:
Dude, what's your prob?
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Date: January 03, 2014 05:53PM
Liberal Logic 35 Wrote:
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> ColumnNo.4 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I have known some cops however that doesn't
> > detract from the fact that their job is based
> on
> > the skills aforementioned.
>
>
> Actually is does when your description of their
> job is entirely inaccurate. Their shooting
> training by the way is 1-2 weeks during the
> academy. Former military have far more weapons
> experience and Marines probably shoot more in
> basic training than a cop does in their entire
> career.
>
> Theres nothing magical they teach them that allows
> them to identify a threat where other people cant.
Cops are very well trained and know what they're doing. The know how to react to situations better than civilians.
Now just STFU and get back behind that line.
.
.
.
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> ColumnNo.4 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I have known some cops however that doesn't
> > detract from the fact that their job is based
> on
> > the skills aforementioned.
>
>
> Actually is does when your description of their
> job is entirely inaccurate. Their shooting
> training by the way is 1-2 weeks during the
> academy. Former military have far more weapons
> experience and Marines probably shoot more in
> basic training than a cop does in their entire
> career.
>
> Theres nothing magical they teach them that allows
> them to identify a threat where other people cant.
Cops are very well trained and know what they're doing. The know how to react to situations better than civilians.
Now just STFU and get back behind that line.
.
.
.
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Posted by:
Liberal Logic 35
()
Date: January 03, 2014 05:57PM
Dude, what's your prob? Wrote:
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> Cops are very well trained and know what they're
> doing. The know how to react to situations better
> than civilians.
>
> Now just STFU and get back behind that line.
Such an intelligent argument.
I must have missed all the reports of them charging in at Columbine, or Sandy Hook, or VT. Oh right they didnt they sat in the parking lot and let the situation play out.
Cops are well trained at being a cop, they are not well trained for active shooters. Theyre a good crisis management tool, they arent a military fighting force no matter how much they pretend they are.
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> Cops are very well trained and know what they're
> doing. The know how to react to situations better
> than civilians.
>
> Now just STFU and get back behind that line.
Such an intelligent argument.
I must have missed all the reports of them charging in at Columbine, or Sandy Hook, or VT. Oh right they didnt they sat in the parking lot and let the situation play out.
Cops are well trained at being a cop, they are not well trained for active shooters. Theyre a good crisis management tool, they arent a military fighting force no matter how much they pretend they are.
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Posted by:
Gerrymanderer2
()
Date: January 03, 2014 06:01PM
When I was watching the idiotic back and forth between Stabitha and Column, I thought to myself, the only thing that could make this worse is if Liberal Logic got involed. Lo and behold, we have reached that threshold.
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ColumnNo.4
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Date: January 03, 2014 06:01PM
You're arguing that someone with basic firearms skills is more qualified than a law enforcement officer? Who do you want responding to an active shooter, a police officer or a janitor with a week or two of firearms training?
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Posted by:
Liberal Logic 35
()
Date: January 03, 2014 06:04PM
ColumnNo.4 Wrote:
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> You're arguing that someone with basic firearms
> skills is more qualified than a law enforcement
> officer? Who do you want responding to an active
> shooter, a police officer or a janitor with a week
> or two of firearms training?
If Im inside the school I want the Janitor whose also inside of the school instead of a cop who will sit in the parking lot and wait for the shooter to kill themselves.
You want someone whose actually there who can stop it every single time given the choice between the two. Its not one or the other either. Just because a teacher inside has the ability to stop the shooting doesnt mean the police wont show up.
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> You're arguing that someone with basic firearms
> skills is more qualified than a law enforcement
> officer? Who do you want responding to an active
> shooter, a police officer or a janitor with a week
> or two of firearms training?
If Im inside the school I want the Janitor whose also inside of the school instead of a cop who will sit in the parking lot and wait for the shooter to kill themselves.
You want someone whose actually there who can stop it every single time given the choice between the two. Its not one or the other either. Just because a teacher inside has the ability to stop the shooting doesnt mean the police wont show up.
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Posted by:
Fact is
()
Date: January 03, 2014 06:04PM
ColumnNo.4 Wrote:
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> You're arguing that someone with basic firearms
> skills is more qualified than a law enforcement
> officer? Who do you want responding to an active
> shooter, a police officer or a janitor with a week
> or two of firearms training?
The vast majority of LEOs are people with basic firearms skills.
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> You're arguing that someone with basic firearms
> skills is more qualified than a law enforcement
> officer? Who do you want responding to an active
> shooter, a police officer or a janitor with a week
> or two of firearms training?
The vast majority of LEOs are people with basic firearms skills.
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Posted by:
ColumnNo.4
()
Date: January 03, 2014 06:13PM
And that's why I'm advocating for a "resource officer".
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Posted by:
Stabitha
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Date: January 03, 2014 06:16PM
ColumnNo.4 Wrote:
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> You're arguing that someone with basic firearms
> skills is more qualified than a law enforcement
> officer? Who do you want responding to an active
> shooter, a police officer or a janitor with a week
> or two of firearms training?
You act like their is some super secret other worldly training that cops get with respect to firearms. You can get the exact same training at a private gun range/school. Unless youre talking about SWAT teams. But the SWAT team wont get there until all the shooting is over.
I'll go with the janitor.
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> You're arguing that someone with basic firearms
> skills is more qualified than a law enforcement
> officer? Who do you want responding to an active
> shooter, a police officer or a janitor with a week
> or two of firearms training?
You act like their is some super secret other worldly training that cops get with respect to firearms. You can get the exact same training at a private gun range/school. Unless youre talking about SWAT teams. But the SWAT team wont get there until all the shooting is over.
I'll go with the janitor.
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Posted by:
ColumnNo.4
()
Date: January 03, 2014 06:25PM
Not other worldly, their training is based on threat assessment, threat manipulation, weapons of different types and they use it on a daily basis. A faculty member who took a firearms class and has to recertify, if they do, every so many months is not an equivalency.
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Posted by:
Fact is
()
Date: January 03, 2014 06:30PM
ColumnNo.4 Wrote:
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> And that's why I'm advocating for a "resource
> officer".
Even less then. Most of them don't even carry weapons.
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> And that's why I'm advocating for a "resource
> officer".
Even less then. Most of them don't even carry weapons.
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Posted by:
ColumnNo.4
()
Date: January 03, 2014 06:40PM
Fact is Wrote:
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> ColumnNo.4 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > And that's why I'm advocating for a "resource
> > officer".
>
>
> Even less then. Most of them don't even carry
> weapons.
I've never seen that. Ours were always armed. I'm not sure if every school has one here in Colorado but the schools I frequented certainly did.
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> ColumnNo.4 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > And that's why I'm advocating for a "resource
> > officer".
>
>
> Even less then. Most of them don't even carry
> weapons.
I've never seen that. Ours were always armed. I'm not sure if every school has one here in Colorado but the schools I frequented certainly did.
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Posted by:
Liberal Logic 35
()
Date: January 04, 2014 12:19AM
ColumnNo.4 Wrote:
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> Not other worldly, their training is based on
> threat assessment, threat manipulation, weapons of
> different types and they use it on a daily basis.
No not really. The vast majority of the academy is based on PT which they dont even have to keep doing upon graduation, and laws and regulations. They shoot for 2 weeks max. They use their pistol, a shotgun, and if the department has assault rifles they may use that as well thats it.
They dont use or shoot their weapons on a daily basis. The vast majority will never encounter a shooter or fire their weapon on duty. They arent navy seals like youre trying to make them out to be.
> A faculty member who took a firearms class and has
> to recertify, if they do, every so many months is
> not an equivalency.
Its the exact equivalency actually. Cops have to qualify twice a year in most places. Their shooting test isnt even hard, anyone whose a half way decent shot can pass.
Your describing police in a way that only tv shows depict them as. Couldnt be further from the truth for what they actually do day to day.
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> Not other worldly, their training is based on
> threat assessment, threat manipulation, weapons of
> different types and they use it on a daily basis.
No not really. The vast majority of the academy is based on PT which they dont even have to keep doing upon graduation, and laws and regulations. They shoot for 2 weeks max. They use their pistol, a shotgun, and if the department has assault rifles they may use that as well thats it.
They dont use or shoot their weapons on a daily basis. The vast majority will never encounter a shooter or fire their weapon on duty. They arent navy seals like youre trying to make them out to be.
> A faculty member who took a firearms class and has
> to recertify, if they do, every so many months is
> not an equivalency.
Its the exact equivalency actually. Cops have to qualify twice a year in most places. Their shooting test isnt even hard, anyone whose a half way decent shot can pass.
Your describing police in a way that only tv shows depict them as. Couldnt be further from the truth for what they actually do day to day.
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Posted by:
Jen Money
()
Date: January 04, 2014 12:20AM
Stabitha, do you listen to Alex Jones?
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Posted by:
ColumnNo.4
()
Date: January 04, 2014 12:38AM
The fact that you think a teacher with a weapons equal is the equivalent of a police officer makes me question your intelligence.
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Posted by:
Explains a lot
()
Date: January 04, 2014 12:44AM
ColumnNo.4 Wrote:
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> ... here in Colorado ...
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> ... here in Colorado ...
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Posted by:
ColumnNo.4
()
Date: January 04, 2014 12:51AM
Yes, I'm currently in Colorado visiting family.
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Posted by:
Liberal Logic 35
()
Date: January 04, 2014 01:16AM
ColumnNo.4 Wrote:
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> The fact that you think a teacher with a weapons
> equal is the equivalent of a police officer makes
> me question your intelligence.
Youve demonstrated absolutely no knowledge of police and what they do or how their trained.
You seem to think theyre all Jack Bauer and they actively insert themselves into shootings.
The reality is they minimally trained with weapons and people get shot all the time that shouldnt have been shot from police panicking or missing their target. Furthermore they dont go into shootings, they keep others from going in and wait it out. Every single school shooting has proved that, yet youve never brought up the shooting that was stopped by an Assistant Principle who went out to his car and got his gun.
Watching NCIS doesnt mean you know what youre talking about
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> The fact that you think a teacher with a weapons
> equal is the equivalent of a police officer makes
> me question your intelligence.
Youve demonstrated absolutely no knowledge of police and what they do or how their trained.
You seem to think theyre all Jack Bauer and they actively insert themselves into shootings.
The reality is they minimally trained with weapons and people get shot all the time that shouldnt have been shot from police panicking or missing their target. Furthermore they dont go into shootings, they keep others from going in and wait it out. Every single school shooting has proved that, yet youve never brought up the shooting that was stopped by an Assistant Principle who went out to his car and got his gun.
Watching NCIS doesnt mean you know what youre talking about
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Posted by:
ColumnNo.4
()
Date: January 04, 2014 01:22AM
So are you going to fight a war with weapons qualified civilian or a soldier who occupation focuses on that aspect?