I mean are ALL Irish people combative? No.

Look for ND to change to simply "The Irish". They played a football game in Dublin and there were no protesters regarding the name of the team.

I can't believe that someone actually has to spell it out for you, but the analogy would be if Notre Dame's team name was the "Fighting Micks"

Heard of the Fighting Sioux?

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WingNut Wrote:
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> Heard of the Fighting Sioux?


Yes. I know that the University of North Dakota caught flack for the name, and changed it. I don't know whether that's an offensive name or not, but that's not the point. The point is that the term "Irish" is not offensive to anyone. The term "Redskins" is offensive to many.

KvHnH Wrote:
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>
> The point is that
> the term "Irish" is not offensive to anyone.


You are pretty presumptuous, aren't you?

Irish is the proper term for that ethnic group. Redskin is not the proper term for Native Americans, and it's considered offensive by many. Would naming the DC team the "Native Americans" be offensive. I don't know, don't care, and I don't think it's relevant to the argument

The Potato Eaters, how about that for a name.

RJR Wrote:
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> I can't believe that someone actually has to spell
> it out for you, but the analogy would be if Notre
> Dame's team name was the "Fighting Micks"

+1

Fighting Redheaded Drunken Cops and Firefighters?

pPwpd Wrote:
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> Irish is the proper term for that ethnic group.
> Redskin is not the proper term for Native
> Americans, and it's considered offensive by many.
> Would naming the DC team the "Native Americans" be
> offensive. I don't know, don't care, and I don't
> think it's relevant to the argument

No, no...that's MY point. The name of the team isn't..."The Irish" it's "The Fighting Irish". There's an implication there that ALL Irish are combative and...they aren't. When the Potomac Drainage Basin Indigenous People change their name, look for ND to drop "Fighting" and become "The Irish" formally.

Chief.Wampum Wrote:
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> pPwpd Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Irish is the proper term for that ethnic group.
>
> > Redskin is not the proper term for Native
> > Americans, and it's considered offensive by
> many.
> > Would naming the DC team the "Native Americans"
> be
> > offensive. I don't know, don't care, and I
> don't
> > think it's relevant to the argument
>
> No, no...that's MY point. The name of the team
> isn't..."The Irish" it's "The Fighting Irish".
> There's an implication there that ALL Irish are
> combative and...they aren't. When the Potomac
> Drainage Basin Indigenous People change their
> name, look for ND to drop "Fighting" and become
> "The Irish" formally.


I don't think so, but I can't say that I'm not unbiased here. I'm Irish, and I went to ND. I never thought that the "Fighting" part ever conveyed anything other than that we were tough. Not that we were brawling drunken micks. The history of the name, while unclear, doesn't have anything in particular to do with the ethnicity, I think.

RJR Wrote:
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> I can't believe that someone actually has to spell
> it out for you, but the analogy would be if Notre
> Dame's team name was the "Fighting Micks"

Just to be clear, The Niggers would be bad but The Lazy Unemployed African Americans would be Ok?

As stated by a previous poster, "Fighting Irish" does not refer to drunken brawling in a pub. It implies perseverance.

Where's Tonto when you need him to scalp all these "holier than thow" liberal fucks?

WingNut Wrote:
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> KvHnH Wrote:
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>
> >
> > The point is that
> > the term "Irish" is not offensive to anyone.
>
>
> You are pretty presumptuous, aren't you?

Irish isn't offensive like the epithet "Redkins". Suppose their was an NGL team called the Big-Lipped Niggers. Would that presumptuous to get offended?

.... Wrote:
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> As stated by a previous poster, "Fighting Irish"
> does not refer to drunken brawling in a pub. It
> implies perseverance.


It does? Then why not call 'em the "Perserverant Irish".

The logo is a little green leprecaun with his fists balled and raised...sure looks like he's spoiling for a fight to me.

Since I'm Irish, I say I get to decide.

You are acting like a teenage girl throwing a fit... You might claim to be Irish, but I don't think the Irish would claim you.

perserverant" Wrote:
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> It does? Then why not call 'em the "Perserverant
> Irish".
>
> The logo is a little green leprecaun with his
> fists balled and raised...sure looks like he's
> spoiling for a fight to me.
>
> Since I'm Irish, I say I get to decide.

Signatures are for fags

I'm only half Irish.

Imagine if I were a purebred.

Alias Wrote:
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> I'm only half Irish.
>
> Imagine if I were a purebred.



I always knew you were a mutt.

I'm a mick and I would be proud of a team called the fighting micks.

eesh Wrote:
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> I always knew you were a mutt.

I always knew you were a eunuch.

The word mick is a lot like the word nigger. If you call an Irish guy that you don't know a fucking mick in a Philly or Boston bar, he might whoop your ass. If he's your buddy, you can call him a fucking mick all night and its more like a compliment.

Let's not forget the word "cunt", as in, gays are such goddamn filthy cunts.

I wonder how infants feel when their mommies roll them around streets and parks for miles at a time? They never asked for this nor are they benefitting in any way.

Rockhound Wrote:
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> I wonder how infants feel when their mommies roll
> them around streets and parks for miles at a time?
> They never asked for this nor are they benefitting
> in any way.


Good point.

Throw your babies away.

perserverant" Wrote:
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> .... Wrote:
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> > As stated by a previous poster, "Fighting
> Irish"
> > does not refer to drunken brawling in a pub. It
> > implies perseverance.
>
>
> It does? Then why not call 'em the "Perserverant
> Irish".
>
> The logo is a little green leprecaun with his
> fists balled and raised...sure looks like he's
> spoiling for a fight to me.
>
> Since I'm Irish, I say I get to decide.

I have always thought of the Fighting Irish as a comical drunk Irish dwarf who likes to fight. So do most people I know. If you think it's not derogatory you're fooling yourself. Or maybe you're just too drunk to notice.

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While we're at it...

I think Vikings needs to go, too. Are all Scandanavian people raping, pillaging marauders?

No one wants to compare the Fighting Irish to the Fighting Sioux?

One name was changed after pressure....

These name controversies do nothing but provide a cause for White Guilters and moralistic libdouches to showcase their "tolerance".

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KvHnH Wrote:
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> The point is that > the term "Irish" is not offensive to anyone.

Not so much now, but it used to be. If you understand the history of the term, Fighting Irish is derogatory. It conjured up image of uneducated, working class people, usually immigrants, who would get boozed up and engage in brawls at the drop of a hat.

Also if you read older English texts you will find the term "Irish" being applied by those subjects of the British king that the English elites considered to be backwards or rebellious, whether they were of Irish nationality or not.

Bill.N. Wrote:
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> KvHnH Wrote:
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> > The point is that > the term "Irish" is not
> offensive to anyone.
>
> Not so much now, but it used to be. If you
> understand the history of the term, Fighting Irish
> is derogatory. It conjured up image of uneducated,
> working class people, usually immigrants, who
> would get boozed up and engage in brawls at the
> drop of a hat.
>
> Also if you read older English texts you will find
> the term "Irish" being applied by those subjects
> of the British king that the English elites
> considered to be backwards or rebellious, whether
> they were of Irish nationality or not.

If the term "Irish" was offensive at one time, what was the unoffensive term at that time for someone from Ireland?

Within the last 100 years there were frequently signs hung in businesses on the East Coast of the U.S. which read, "Help Wanted, Irish Need Not Apply".

"Fighting Irish" is racist.

Chinese are ok, but no Irish!

HMGjb Wrote:
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> If the term "Irish" was offensive at one time,
> what was the unoffensive term at that time for
> someone from Ireland?

Just because it was the correct term didn't mean it wasn't also used as an insult. Calling a Christian a "Jew" would be viewed as an insult well into the 20th century. Some Arabs would view it as an insult today. "Mexican" today is used not only to describe a person from Mexico, but also as an insult for any person primarily of indian descent who came to this country from a nation to the south without proper authorization. If you go back to the 18th and 19th centuries there were people born in Ireland who would call themselves "Anglo-Irish" or "Scotch-Irish" in an effort to distinguish themselves.

Vencj Wrote:
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> Chief.Wampum Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
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> > pPwpd Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Irish is the proper term for that ethnic
> group.
> >
> > > Redskin is not the proper term for Native
> > > Americans, and it's considered offensive by
> > many.
> > > Would naming the DC team the "Native
> Americans"
> > be
> > > offensive. I don't know, don't care, and I
> > don't
> > > think it's relevant to the argument
> >
> > No, no...that's MY point. The name of the team
> > isn't..."The Irish" it's "The Fighting Irish".
> > There's an implication there that ALL Irish are
> > combative and...they aren't. When the Potomac
> > Drainage Basin Indigenous People change their
> > name, look for ND to drop "Fighting" and become
> > "The Irish" formally.
>
>
> I don't think so, but I can't say that I'm not
> unbiased here. I'm Irish, and I went to ND. I
> never thought that the "Fighting" part ever
> conveyed anything other than that we were tough.
> Not that we were brawling drunken micks. The
> history of the name, while unclear, doesn't have
> anything in particular to do with the ethnicity, I
> think.
Of course it doesn't imply you're tough; if you went to Notre Lame, you're the antithesis of tough. You're an arrogant, spoiled, mommy's boy who thinks the world revolves around you and the BMW they bought you for your 16th birthday. I take a dump in your precious grotto every time I'm forced to travel to that special ed facility.

Bill.N. Wrote:
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> KvHnH Wrote:
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> > The point is that > the term "Irish" is not
> offensive to anyone.

> Not so much now, but it used to be. If you
> understand the history of the term...


Bill.N. is an asshole.

Excuse my French, but I was recently in Paris.

Seriously Alias? All of the political, social and gun related threads I've posted on, and the one that convinces you I'm an asshole is a history lesson?

I'm sorry if you were hurt because your ancestors were Irish, or because they were anti-Irish anti-Catholic bigots. Facts are facts though. Just Google "anti Irish sentiments 19th century America" and you will find plenty of information on this.

Bill.N. Wrote:
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> I'm sorry if you were hurt because your ancestors
> were Irish, or because they were anti-Irish
> anti-Catholic bigots.


Don't be sorry, Bill.

Just get smarter.

Hint: overuse of the word "hurt" and all its derivatives makes you sound stupid and hateful. (hateful, another word you and your people abuse)

What about the word, asshole? Should that word be banned? It clearly defines a group of people with lower than enjoyable IQ's.
__________________

i am an actual liberal

Should call them the "crying Irish", never met a nationality that has more prima donnas then the Irish.

Irish are babies Wrote:
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> Should call them the "crying Irish", never met a
> nationality that has more prima donnas then the
> Irish.

Are you fucking kidding me? Well, I'm sorry you've never been to South America...

Alias Wrote:
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> Don't be sorry, Bill.

I would have thought a Southerner such as yourself could readily spot a false courtesy Alias. It's one of those things you say, such as when the Tobacco Festival Queen tells the Sixth Runner Up from South Richmond that she has a better singing voice.

Bill.N. Wrote:
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> Alias Wrote:
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> > Don't be sorry, Bill.
>
> I would have thought a Southerner such as yourself
> could readily spot a false courtesy Alias.

Alias is no southern bell. She's a crazed redneck bimbo. Hell's bell.

Bill.N. Wrote:
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> I would have thought a Southerner such as yourself
> could readily spot a false courtesy Alias.

She spotted you after your first post, Bill.N. .

Stop posting anon, Alias.

Blessed are the murderous.