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A Standard Feature on the Dodge Dart a Felony in Ohio
Posted by:
eesh
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Date: December 22, 2013 03:38PM
http://www.wkyc.com/story/news/local/2013/11/20/trap-car-law/3655713/
WKYC-TV reports that when Norman Gurley was pulled over for allegedly speeding in Lorain County, Ohio on Tuesday, State Highway Patrol officers arrested him for having a hidden compartment on his car, charged with a felony despite the fact that he was not violating drug, weapon or any other contraband laws. Gurley thus became the first person charged under Ohio’s relatively new “hidden compartment” law intended, supposedly, to stop drug smuggling. The law states: “No person shall knowingly operate, possess, or use a vehicle with a hidden compartment with knowledge that the hidden compartment is used or intended to be used to facilitate the unlawful concealment or transportation of a controlled substance.” That may create a problem if you drive a Dodge Dart in Ohio.
“Without the hidden compartment law, we would not have had any charges on the suspect,” said Combs, who contends that the compartment was large enough to carry several pounds of drugs and made allegations that Gurley was part of some kind of drug gang. ”We apparently caught them between runs, so to speak, so this takes away one tool they have in their illegal trade. The law does help us and is on our side,” says Combs.
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WKYC-TV reports that when Norman Gurley was pulled over for allegedly speeding in Lorain County, Ohio on Tuesday, State Highway Patrol officers arrested him for having a hidden compartment on his car, charged with a felony despite the fact that he was not violating drug, weapon or any other contraband laws. Gurley thus became the first person charged under Ohio’s relatively new “hidden compartment” law intended, supposedly, to stop drug smuggling. The law states: “No person shall knowingly operate, possess, or use a vehicle with a hidden compartment with knowledge that the hidden compartment is used or intended to be used to facilitate the unlawful concealment or transportation of a controlled substance.” That may create a problem if you drive a Dodge Dart in Ohio.
“Without the hidden compartment law, we would not have had any charges on the suspect,” said Combs, who contends that the compartment was large enough to carry several pounds of drugs and made allegations that Gurley was part of some kind of drug gang. ”We apparently caught them between runs, so to speak, so this takes away one tool they have in their illegal trade. The law does help us and is on our side,” says Combs.
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Re: A Standard Feature on the Dodge Dart a Felony in Ohio
Posted by:
Liberal Logic 35
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Date: December 22, 2013 04:19PM
The perfect example of someone with a badge who has no business in that line of work.
That should take all of 3 seconds to get out of in court after wasting everyones time and money. Drug gang or not thats absurd to arrest someone for a standard feature on a car.
Common sense isnt so common.
That should take all of 3 seconds to get out of in court after wasting everyones time and money. Drug gang or not thats absurd to arrest someone for a standard feature on a car.
Common sense isnt so common.
Re: A Standard Feature on the Dodge Dart a Felony in Ohio
Posted by:
Bud Hoal...
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Date: December 22, 2013 06:36PM
The legal code, if applied as intended to meet the elements of proof, is sound. Note, " knowledge that the hidden compartment is used or intended to be used to facilitate the unlawful concealment or transportation of a controlled substance." So, if the arresting officer had no evidence in support of the controlled substance, his arrest was at best flawed, or worse yet, false, and therefore grounds for a tort.
Re: A Standard Feature on the Dodge Dart a Felony in Ohio
Posted by:
The Hard Truth
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Date: December 22, 2013 07:26PM
The War On Drugs continues, with legislation that gets more and more ridiculous everyday. When will the stupidity end?
Re: A Standard Feature on the Dodge Dart a Felony in Ohio
Posted by:
Smuggle
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Date: December 22, 2013 07:34PM
Obliviously the trooper didn't know the compartment is standard. It will get thrown out. The ticket is wrong.
Re: A Standard Feature on the Dodge Dart a Felony in Ohio
Posted by:
timothy leary
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Date: December 22, 2013 08:05PM
When will we legalize all drugs and move on?
Re: A Standard Feature on the Dodge Dart a Felony in Ohio
Posted by:
hit-n-run
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Date: December 22, 2013 08:23PM
Standard features aren't hidden, whether or not someone doesn't know they are there.
The guy who was charged was, I believe, someone who already had a drug conviction and THAT part of the law was what got him in trouble. The quoted part above does NOT note that. The law says (from a different message board):
=== prohibit a person who has committed a first or second degree felony
=== violation of aggravated trafficking in drugs from operating, possessing,
=== or using a vehicle with a hidden compartment
Note that THIS part doesn't say anything about intent - THAT is assumed because of the prior conviction.
The guy who was charged was, I believe, someone who already had a drug conviction and THAT part of the law was what got him in trouble. The quoted part above does NOT note that. The law says (from a different message board):
=== prohibit a person who has committed a first or second degree felony
=== violation of aggravated trafficking in drugs from operating, possessing,
=== or using a vehicle with a hidden compartment
Note that THIS part doesn't say anything about intent - THAT is assumed because of the prior conviction.
Re: A Standard Feature on the Dodge Dart a Felony in Ohio
Posted by:
Liberal Logic 35
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Date: December 22, 2013 08:37PM
hit-n-run Wrote:
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> Standard features aren't hidden, whether or not
> someone doesn't know they are there.
>
> The guy who was charged was, I believe, someone
> who already had a drug conviction and THAT part of
> the law was what got him in trouble. The quoted
> part above does NOT note that. The law says (from
> a different message board):
>
> === prohibit a person who has committed a first or
> second degree felony
> === violation of aggravated trafficking in drugs
> from operating, possessing,
> === or using a vehicle with a hidden compartment
>
> Note that THIS part doesn't say anything about
> intent - THAT is assumed because of the prior
> conviction.
Which is absurd to apply to something that is STANDARD on the car. He didnt carve a seat out, or the floor board. Its a lift-able seat.
Youre also kidding yourself if you dont think someone who arrests someone for just having that in his car and nothing more wont be abusing that law in the future for people who it wasnt intended to be applied too which by the way is what happened here. I would be money that law was intended for people creating their own hiding space. Otherwise anyone with storage space in the center consul is guilty since you can just say it was designed to look like it doesnt open.
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> Standard features aren't hidden, whether or not
> someone doesn't know they are there.
>
> The guy who was charged was, I believe, someone
> who already had a drug conviction and THAT part of
> the law was what got him in trouble. The quoted
> part above does NOT note that. The law says (from
> a different message board):
>
> === prohibit a person who has committed a first or
> second degree felony
> === violation of aggravated trafficking in drugs
> from operating, possessing,
> === or using a vehicle with a hidden compartment
>
> Note that THIS part doesn't say anything about
> intent - THAT is assumed because of the prior
> conviction.
Which is absurd to apply to something that is STANDARD on the car. He didnt carve a seat out, or the floor board. Its a lift-able seat.
Youre also kidding yourself if you dont think someone who arrests someone for just having that in his car and nothing more wont be abusing that law in the future for people who it wasnt intended to be applied too which by the way is what happened here. I would be money that law was intended for people creating their own hiding space. Otherwise anyone with storage space in the center consul is guilty since you can just say it was designed to look like it doesnt open.
Re: A Standard Feature on the Dodge Dart a Felony in Ohio
Posted by:
tomahawk
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Date: December 22, 2013 08:55PM
So isn't any place in the car not visible a "hidden" compartment? How about the space under the spare tire? What a retarded law. Works well for retard cops.
Re: A Standard Feature on the Dodge Dart a Felony in Ohio
Posted by:
hit-n-run
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Date: December 22, 2013 08:58PM
Reading comprehension not one of your strong parts, huh?
The guy arrested didn't have a Dodge Dart, he had a car with a hidden compartment. The author of the article just wanted to make a point so mentioned the fact that a Dodge Dart has compartments that are "hidden" (not INHO but...) which also is why the author of the article "forgot" to include the part of the law I quoted.
The arrest is pretty much identical to an arrest for possessing a gun if you're a felon - the intent is assumed.
The guy arrested didn't have a Dodge Dart, he had a car with a hidden compartment. The author of the article just wanted to make a point so mentioned the fact that a Dodge Dart has compartments that are "hidden" (not INHO but...) which also is why the author of the article "forgot" to include the part of the law I quoted.
The arrest is pretty much identical to an arrest for possessing a gun if you're a felon - the intent is assumed.
Re: A Standard Feature on the Dodge Dart a Felony in Ohio
Posted by:
Rockhound
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Date: December 22, 2013 09:17PM
hit-n-run Wrote:
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> Reading comprehension not one of your strong
> parts, huh?
>
> The guy arrested didn't have a Dodge Dart, he had
> a car with a hidden compartment. The author of the
> article just wanted to make a point so mentioned
> the fact that a Dodge Dart has compartments that
> are "hidden" (not INHO but...) which also is why
> the author of the article "forgot" to include the
> part of the law I quoted.
>
> The arrest is pretty much identical to an arrest
> for possessing a gun if you're a felon - the
> intent is assumed.
+1
I was thinking the same thing when I read it. Nowhere does it say he was driving a Dart. The author just jumps from the incident to the Dart.
Lots of cars have compartments like this now. The Honda Fit has the exact same feature. I rented a 2012 or 2013 Impala whose entire backseat had a hidden compartment.
Anyway, not much to see here.
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> Reading comprehension not one of your strong
> parts, huh?
>
> The guy arrested didn't have a Dodge Dart, he had
> a car with a hidden compartment. The author of the
> article just wanted to make a point so mentioned
> the fact that a Dodge Dart has compartments that
> are "hidden" (not INHO but...) which also is why
> the author of the article "forgot" to include the
> part of the law I quoted.
>
> The arrest is pretty much identical to an arrest
> for possessing a gun if you're a felon - the
> intent is assumed.
+1
I was thinking the same thing when I read it. Nowhere does it say he was driving a Dart. The author just jumps from the incident to the Dart.
Lots of cars have compartments like this now. The Honda Fit has the exact same feature. I rented a 2012 or 2013 Impala whose entire backseat had a hidden compartment.
Anyway, not much to see here.
Re: A Standard Feature on the Dodge Dart a Felony in Ohio
Posted by:
eesh
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Date: December 22, 2013 09:41PM
Good old Rockhound to troll the threads.
Re: A Standard Feature on the Dodge Dart a Felony in Ohio
Posted by:
Old lady.
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Date: December 22, 2013 09:46PM
DWM. Driving while a minority is what got the owner a felony charge in the racist state of Ohio. It is time the government takes over the racist hick southern and mid west states from oppressive racist white hill billy nut jobs tea party creeps and declare martial law in the name of equal opportunity.
Re: A Standard Feature on the Dodge Dart a Felony in Ohio
Posted by:
court reporter
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Date: December 24, 2013 01:28AM
timothy leary Wrote:
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> When will we legalize all drugs and move on?
Lots of peoples jobs depend on drug busts. Drug and alcohol charges are what really brings in the money for the county.
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> When will we legalize all drugs and move on?
Lots of peoples jobs depend on drug busts. Drug and alcohol charges are what really brings in the money for the county.
Re: A Standard Feature on the Dodge Dart a Felony in Ohio
Posted by:
Rockhound
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Date: December 24, 2013 01:34AM
Bumping your own threads eesh? Your writing style is fine but I find it is a bit vapid at times.
Re: A Standard Feature on the Dodge Dart a Felony in Ohio
Posted by:
eesh
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Date: December 24, 2013 01:53AM
Rockhound, do you find bridge piercings and septum piercings attractive? I think this midget woman is hot.
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Re: A Standard Feature on the Dodge Dart a Felony in Ohio
Posted by:
Rockhound
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Date: December 24, 2013 02:12AM
I'll spare you for now.
Re: A Standard Feature on the Dodge Dart a Felony in Ohio
Posted by:
Rockhound
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Date: December 24, 2013 08:04AM
This is more my kinda woman. A little chunky, but pretty hot. What do you think?
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Re: A Standard Feature on the Dodge Dart a Felony in Ohio
Posted by:
Eyeballs
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Date: December 24, 2013 08:07AM
Rockhound Wrote:
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> This is more my kinda woman. A little chunky, but
> pretty hot. What do you think?
Let's see her naked.
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> This is more my kinda woman. A little chunky, but
> pretty hot. What do you think?
Let's see her naked.