The partisan battles that have paralyzed Washington in recent years took a historic turn on Thursday, when Senate Democrats eliminated filibusters for most presidential nominations, severely curtailing the political leverage of the Republican minority in the Senate and assuring an escalation of partisan warfare.

The rule change means federal judge nominees and executive-office appointments can be confirmed by a simple majority of senators, rather than the 60-vote super majority that has been required for more than two centuries.

Phil A. Buster Wrote:
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> The partisan battles that have paralyzed
> Washington in recent years took a historic turn on
> Thursday, when Senate Democrats eliminated
> filibusters for most presidential nominations,
> severely curtailing the political leverage of the
> Republican minority in the Senate and assuring an
> escalation of partisan warfare.
>
> The rule change means federal judge nominees and
> executive-office appointments can be confirmed by
> a simple majority of senators, rather than the
> 60-vote super majority that has been required for
> more than two centuries.

The Dems desperation speaks for itself.

Reid's such a slimy little fucking hypocrite. He's the one who started the whole strategic cloture/filibuster thing for Bush nominees when he was in the minority. Last I'd looked, he still had the record for most uses of the approach. He also whined like a little bitch when Frist talked about using the 'nuclear option' back then.

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Senator Harry Reid of Nevada, the Democratic leader, formally rejected on Tuesday an offer Dr. Frist made last week to allow 100 hours of debate on court nominees before requiring a vote. Mr. Reid urged Republicans to find a way to avoid the floor fight.

"But I want to be clear: we are prepared for a vote on the nuclear option," Mr. Reid said in a letter to Dr. Frist, using the term sometimes applied to the effort to bar filibusters. "Democrats will join responsible Republicans in a vote to uphold the constitutional principles of checks and balances."

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On May 9, 2005, Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid offered the Democrats' support for one of President Bush's judicial nominees, former Senate lawyer Thomas B. Griffith.[50] Democrats cited this offer as a goodwill gesture to show that they are willing to cooperate with Republicans and confirm "acceptable" nominees. Reid stated that Democrats "will only block unacceptable nominees" (such as Brown and Owen), but would confirm Griffith, saying "Let's take a step away from the precipice. Let's try cooperation, rather than confrontation."

It's about time Reid's showed some balls.

This is very bad for republicans. Especially as their power and influence dwindle in conjunction with the continued loss of seats and positions in the executive branch because:

A) the republicans are mired in one heck of a civil war.

B) the Republican Party is looking less in age/race/gender than the voting population.

Strong day for the democrats!

Atom Wrote:
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> It's about time Reid's showed some balls.
>
> This is very bad for republicans. Especially as
> their power and influence dwindle in conjunction
> with the continued loss of seats and positions in
> the executive branch because:
>
> A) the republicans are mired in one heck of a
> civil war.
>
> B) the Republican Party is looking less in
> age/race/gender than the voting population.
>
> Strong day for the democrats!

Check the headlines lately?

Atom Wrote:
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> It's about time Reid's showed some balls.
>
> This is very bad for republicans. Especially as
> their power and influence dwindle in conjunction
> with the continued loss of seats and positions in
> the executive branch because:
>
> A) the republicans are mired in one heck of a
> civil war.
>
> B) the Republican Party is looking less in
> age/race/gender than the voting population.
>
> Strong day for the democrats!


Yeah, and when they're back in the minority, you'll scream and cry like a little bitch again about how it's not fair and an assualt on democracy when it's used against you. It will be the worst abuse of power EVAR!

Fucking hypocrites. lol

Hege Wrote:
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> Atom Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > It's about time Reid's showed some balls.
> >
> > This is very bad for republicans. Especially
> as
> > their power and influence dwindle in
> conjunction
> > with the continued loss of seats and positions
> in
> > the executive branch because:
> >
> > A) the republicans are mired in one heck of a
> > civil war.
> >
> > B) the Republican Party is looking less in
> > age/race/gender than the voting population.
> >
> > Strong day for the democrats!
>
> Check the headlines lately?


Do not need to.....facts are facts.

Just because the repubs are making MORE noise means nothing.

Away with you child.

Republicans are no longer able to exercise the filibuster with respect or be a respectable minority. It's time the will of the American people is respected. If the Republicans want to rid the country of the filibuster for legislation as well going forward. I say lets have at it.

Now we're speaking the only language Republicans understand, GET RID OF THE FILIBUSTER ALTOGETHER.

Let them implement their policies, the American people need to feel the burn a little to learn their lesson completely.



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Who the fuck invented a SUPER-majority?

Majority wins, end of story.

Super majority was so the bastards in the Senate could spout agendas but not stand by their promises. Blame rules they've made for themselves. It really helps Republicans because old assholes can vote for them and not worry about losing their social security.

I say dont stop here. Get rid of it altogether. We called your bluff GOP. Your move.



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Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> Super majority was so the bastards in the Senate
> could spout agendas but not stand by their
> promises. Blame rules they've made for themselves.
> It really helps Republicans because old assholes
> can vote for them and not worry about losing their
> social security.
>
> I say dont stop here. Get rid of it altogether. We
> called your bluff GOP. Your move.


It helps and has been regularly used by Democrats just as much or more than Republicans.

Like I said, remember the shit that hyper-partisan turds like Gerry are saying now for future reference to show what whining hypocritical little fucks they really are. Hell, you don't even have to. You can just go back and look at Reid's own comments when he was in the minority justifying doing it himself and calling the 'nuclear option' an abuse of power. lol

When things turn, as they will, and they're on the other side of this they'll be crying again and wanting to change the rule back.

I'm hoping the dems will change the rules back before the next round of elections (if there is any opposing party left at the next round of elections.)

Atom Wrote:
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> I'm hoping the dems will change the rules back
> before the next round of elections (if there is
> any opposing party left at the next round of
> elections.)


Well, at least you admit that you're a hypocrite. lol

Let them turn motherfucker. Put your money where your mouth is. What are you going to do bitch? Go after Medicare and Social Security? Those are your votes anyway dipshit. Lets have at it.



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Push those judges through immediately. Enough playing games with these pussy ass double speaking bitches.

See how well you get rid of a single payer system we implement next time if you do decide to abolish the filibuster altogether. You will never see power again. The filibuster is all you crooks have.

Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> Let them turn motherfucker. Put your money where
> your mouth is. What are you going to do bitch? Go
> after Medicare and Social Security? Those are your
> votes anyway dipshit. Lets have at it.


Obama's already 'gone after' Medicare indirectly with the debacle that is Obamacare. I guess you missed that part. And the Dem strategy of avoiding even mentioning any issues with both at all costs hoping that the Republicans will have to touch the dogshit first has done more to further the problems and endanger the programs than anything else.

You don't understand. You don't have the balls. We want you to do it. The very bullshit you are slinging in your last post will become impossible without a filibuster. Its all about the votes.

Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> The filibuster is all you crooks have.


^^^^^^^^^ THIS is a 100% true.

So STFU until you actually think you can buck up to such a reality. Until then go threaten someone who cares.

Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> You don't understand. You don't have the balls. We
> want you to do it. The very bullshit you are
> slinging in your last post will become impossible
> without a filibuster. Its all about the votes.


What in the fuck are you even talking about you day-drunk?

Your crap today makes less sense than your usual crap. lol

I'm pretty hyped up, now we're talking. Good day for Democracy.

“The nuclear option was not what the Founders had in mind. It will poison Washington.”

Senator Barack Obama.

This isnt the Nuclear Option, thats as it relates to legislation. This is for presidential nominee's that single Republican reckless Senators aren't even allowing to come up for a vote. If you Republicans had an honest bone in your body you would know this is because your own actions. Especially in the aftermath of a bipartisan agreement beforehand by your side to stop such petty tactics.

You said you'd stop and you would no longer do it. Why would you make such a promise if your actions weren't regrettable. Well you lied, and thats a fact.

"This isnt the Nuclear Option, thats as it relates to legislation"

Really? Let's look at the 2005 issue, shall we?

"The maneuver was brought to prominence in 2005 when Majority Leader Bill Frist (Republican of Tennessee) threatened its use to end Democratic-led filibusters of judicial nominees"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_option

Hang this next to your claim of increased infrastructure spending...

Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> This isnt the Nuclear Option, thats as it relates
> to legislation. This is for presidential nominee's
> that single Republican reckless Senators aren't
> even allowing to come up for a vote. If you
> Republicans had an honest bone in your body you
> would know this is because your own actions.
> Especially in the aftermath of a bipartisan
> agreement beforehand by your side to stop such
> petty tactics.
>
> You said you'd stop and you would no longer do it.
> Why would you make such a promise if your actions
> weren't regrettable. Well you lied, and thats a
> fact.


It's the same 'nuclear option' that was discussed at the time that Reid and Obama both participated in the blocking leading up to and which they commented on, and which they're now hypocritically going forward with themselves.

The level of obstruction and abuse of filibuster power is unprecedented.

So you've got nothing. Got it.

Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> The level of obstruction and abuse of filibuster
> power is unprecedented.


Yeah... as long as you don't count Reid and the Democrats doing the exact same thing. lmao

This is a vote on cloture, btw, not "filabusters", and as such, wasn't a pure party line split.
Glad to wave 'bye to the "supermajority" bull$hit anyway.

51 votes + the House, and Obumblecare is gone.

Slimy little weasel's chipping away at democracy piece by piece.Evil fuckers need to get rounded up and water boarded to get the truth out of them about all these "phony scandals".That would be a fair conclusion to all this crap.

You call requiring super majorities to pass legislation Democracy? You're forgetting one thing, the Republican Party doesn't have anything to offer the American people. They're simply corporate whores. Democracy is what we want, more of it so they can be revealed for the snakes they are.

"You call requiring super majorities to pass legislation Democracy"

No, numbnutz. Passing requires simple majority votes. It's called "representation".

History not your forte Wrote:
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> "You call requiring super majorities to pass
> legislation Democracy"
>
> No, numbnutz. Passing requires simple majority
> votes. It's called "representation".


Just wait until the first time things don't work in his favor as a result and he'll be whining like fucking crazy. lol

"Just wait until the first time things don't work in his favor as a result and he'll be whining like fucking crazy"

Yep.

I wont be crying. Tell me why I should be so afraid of your threats? What are you gonna do? Repeal Obamacare, good, it was the Republican solution, we'll pass single payer next. What are you gonna do then?

I dont think you underatand what I mean when I say your party has nothing to offer the American people. It means the more democratic the system, the more you fail.



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Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> I wont be crying. Tell me why I should be so
> afraid of your threats? What are you gonna do?
> Repeal Obamacare, good, it was the Republican
> solution, we'll pass single payer next. What are
> you gonna do then?
>
> I dont think you underatand what I mean when I say
> your party has nothing to offer the American
> people. It means the more democratic the system,
> the more you fail.


Levin said on the Senate floor that he is concerned about the long-term implications of changing Senate procedure.

"Changing the rules, in violation of the rules, by a simple majority vote is not a one-time action," Levin said on the Senate floor (Watch video). "If a Senate majority demonstrates it can make such a change once, there are no rules that bind a majority, and all future majorities will feel free to exercise the same power, not just on judges and executive appointments but on legislation."

While Levin called the actions of Republicans "irresponsible," he added that the vote "put short-term partisan interest ahead of the good of the nation and the future of this Senate as a unique institution."

"In the short term, judges will be confirmed who should be confirmed," Levin said on the Senate floor. "But when the precedent is set that a majority can change the rules at will on judges, that precedent will be used to change the rules on consideration of legislation, and down the road, the hard-won protections and benefits for our people’s health and welfare will be less secure."

has spoken on your word: "threats"

The filibuster requires respect from both parties to be effective. The Democrats can not forfeit their Constitutional rights and obligations and fall victim to abuses of the filibuster for its sustainance.

This was already expressed to Republicans and it was agreed to by them that there would be a change in their behavior. That was not fulfilled. The Democrats were left with no other option after an extremity of patience.

In 2005, Then-Sen. Barack Obama Called For His Colleagues Considering The Nuclear Option To Think About “Protecting Free And Democratic Debate.” SEN. BARACK OBAMA: “Mr. President, I rise today to urge my colleagues to think about the implications of what has been called the nuclear option and what effect that might have on this Chamber and on this country. I urge all of us to think not just about winning every debate but about protecting free and democratic debate.” (Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL), Floor Remarks, Washington, DC, 4/13/05)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zAotKsLjBFI



Obama: “If They Choose To Change The Rules And Put An End To Democratic Debate, Then The Fighting, The Bitterness, And The Gridlock Will Only Get Worse.” SEN. BARACK OBAMA: “The American people want less partisanship in this town, but everyone in this chamber knows that if the majority chooses to end the filibuster, if they choose to change the rules and put an end to democratic debate, then the fighting, the bitterness, and the gridlock will only get worse.” (Sen. Barack Obama, Floor Remarks, Washington, D.C., 4/13/05)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1GhSKywjnqc

The democrats had to do this. A presentation by Charlie Cook (of the Cook Report) to a recent gathering to political strategists indicated that, if the current trend continues, the democrats will lose the Senate in 2014 as Toss Ups move to Lean Republican in AR and KY and Leans Democrat move to toss up in NC, AK, IA and LA. Further, previously safe seats (Likely Democrat) of VA and MN are starting to show a weakening of support among Independents for the Democrat incumbents and, if that continues, will move to Lean Democrat. There are currently no Republican Senate seats that are trending more Democrat over the past 4 months. The Republicans need to gain 6 seats to gain the majority and are virtually guaranteed pick ups in MT, WV and SD.

The Democrats need to move as much legislation and nominations through the Senate as they can prior to the next Congress being sworn in a little over a year from now.

Not only do they have to do this, they've been left no other choice and ita their right.

"filibuster"

Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> Not only do they have to do this, they've been
> left no other choice and ita their right.


I'm not getting involved in the petty partisan hobgobbling, just letting you out-of-the-loopers know the real reason for pulling the trigger on this now. Whether it was the right or wrong move politically is up to history to show. The opinion of the partisan sheep on both sides doesn't matter. It was simple politics and realizing the lay of the land for 2014 - nothing more, nothing less.

Well aren't you just so special. Well thank you for blessing us with that precious piece of insight. No shit Sherlock.

I agree with the Senator Obama. This will set a very damaging precedent. Things may not look the same in the future. Who knows which party will be in charge? May not be D's or R's. There is a reason that our Founding Fathers set up the 3 branches of government the way they did. Too bad our current politicians are incapable of thinking beyond the now.

Senator Obama issued a powerful statement condemning this change. ”If the right of free and open debate is taken away from the minority party and the millions of Americans who ask us to be their voice, I fear the partisan atmosphere in Washington will be poisoned to the point where no one will be able to agree on anything,” he thundered. ”That does not serve anybody’s best interest, and it certainly is not what the patriots who founded this democracy had in mind. We owe the people who sent us here more than that. We owe them much more.” 2005

Former Secretary of State and Senator Hillary Clinton, widely viewed as the front-running Democrat candidate for the presidency in 2016, was unsparing in her criticism of today’s rule change: “If you cannot get 60 votes for a nominee, maybe you should think about who you are sending to be confirmed.”

Obama: “It Certainly Is Not What The Patriots Who Founded This Democracy Had In Mind. We Owe The People Who Sent Us Here More Than That.” SEN. BARACK OBAMA: “Right now we are faced with rising gas prices, skyrocketing tuition costs, a record number of uninsured Americans, and some of the most serious national security threats we have ever had, while our bravest young men and women are risking their lives halfway around the world to keep us safe. These are challenges we all want to meet and problems we all want to solve, even if we do not always agree on how to do it. But if the right of free and open debate is taken away from the minority party and the millions of Americans who ask us to be their voice, I fear the partisan atmosphere in Washington will be poisoned to the point where no one will be able to agree on anything. That does not serve anybody’s best interest, and it certainly is not what the patriots who founded this democracy had in mind. We owe the people who sent us here more than that. We owe them much more.” (Sen. Barack Obama, Floor Remarks, Washington, D.C., 4/13/05)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4q6aqw_SfU0

whaaaa whaaa whaaaa cry babies.

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> whaaaa whaaa whaaaa cry babies.


Yep, the Dems cried like babies when it was last considered (not actually done as they have).


In 2005, Biden Called The Nuclear Option The “Single Most Significant Vote” In His “32 Years In The Senate” And “An Example Of The Arrogance Of Power.” SEN. JOE BIDEN: “Mr. President, my friends and colleagues, I have not been here as long as Senator Byrd, and no one fully understands the Senate as well as Senator Byrd, but I have been here for over three decades. This is the single most significant vote any one of us will cast in my 32 years in the Senate. I suspect the Senator would agree with that. We should make no mistake. This nuclear option is ultimately an example of the arrogance of power. It is a fundamental power grab by the majority party, propelled by its extreme right and designed to change the reading of the Constitution, particularly as it relates to individual rights and property rights. It is nothing more or nothing less. … We have been through these periods before in American history but never, to the best of my knowledge, has any party been so bold as to fundamentally attempt to change the structure of this body.” (Sen. Joe Biden, Floor Remarks, Washington, D.C., 5/23/05)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Gagk1ZZVS_k

Democrats seem to forget when attempting to rewrite history that we have this thing called 'video' that captures their hypocrisy forever. lol

2-faced 0bama and democratics!
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Free and open debate is not what the Republicans are doing. They aren't even letting it go to debate and to a vote. And when they do, the nominations are so qualified they vote for them to pass. Its just fucking retarded.

Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> Free and open debate is not what the Republicans
> are doing. They aren't even letting it go to
> debate and to a vote. And when they do, the
> nominations are so qualified they vote for them to
> pass. Its just fucking retarded.


Reid, In 2005: “The Filibuster Is Far From A Procedural Gimmick. It’s Part Of The Fabric Of This Institution … Senators Have Used The Filibuster To Stand Up To Popular Presidents, To Block Legislation, And, Yes, Even, As I’ve Stated, To Stall Executive Nominees.” SEN. HARRY REID: “The filibuster is not a scheme and it certainly isn’t new. The filibuster is far from a procedural gimmick. It’s part of the fabric of this institution we call the Senate. It was well-known in colonial legislatures before we became a country, and it’s an integral part of our country’s 214-year history. The first filibuster in the United States Congress happened in 1790. It was used by lawmakers from Virginia and South Carolina who were trying to prevent Philadelphia from hosting the first Congress. Since then, the filibuster has been employed hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of times. It’s been employed on legislative matters, it’s been employed on procedural matters relating to the president’s nominations for Cabinet and sub-Cabinet posts, and it’s been used on judges for all those years. One scholar estimates that 20 percent of the judges nominated by presidents have fallen by the wayside, most of them as a result of filibusters. Senators have used the filibuster to stand up to popular presidents, to block legislation, and, yes, even, as I’ve stated, to stall executive nominees. The roots of the filibuster are found in the Constitution and in our own rules.” (Sen. Harry Reid, Floor Remarks, 5/18/05)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Mi70-wzRYrI

They aren't even letting it go to debate and to a vote

???

Are you even aware that in both cases (2005 and today) the issue is nominations, not legislation?

Or are you just so dense that reality can't even seep in?

Bye filibuster! I'll never forget all the fun times we shared, like how Rand Paul's dumb ass wasted millions of dollars talking about drone strikes that everyone already was aware of..thanks democracy!

thanks for the memories Wrote:
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> Bye filibuster! I'll never forget all the fun
> times we shared, like how Rand Paul's dumb ass
> wasted millions of dollars talking about drone
> strikes that everyone already was aware of..thanks
> democracy!


Oh, we'll remember.

Then-Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY): “If You Cannot Get 60 Votes For A Nominee, Maybe You Should Think About Who You Are Sending To Us To Be Confirmed…” CLINTON: “So this President has come to the majority in the Senate and basically said: Change the rules. Do it the way I want it done. And I guess there were not very many voices on the other side of the aisle that acted the way previous generations of Senators have acted and said: Mr. President, we are with you. We support you. But that is a bridge too far. We cannot go there. You have to restrain yourself, Mr. President. We have confirmed 95 percent of your nominees. And if you cannot get 60 votes for a nominee, maybe you should think about who you are sending to us to be confirmed because for a lifetime appointment, 60 votes, bringing together a consensus of Senators from all regions of the country, who look at the same record and draw the same conclusion, means that perhaps that nominee should not be on the Federal bench.” (Sen. Hillary Clinton, Floor Remarks, 5/23/05)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dvLGZReSTDA

Here's a fact for you. Over half of the presidential nominee's filibustered in the entire history of this country have been President Obama's nominee's. That means Obama has had more of his nominee's filibustered than all presidents before him combined.

Here are the facts. Read them, Obama represents about half of all the filibustered nominee's this country has ever seen as a single president. Whether Executive or Judicial.

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2013/11/21/do-obama-nominees-face-stiffer-senate-opposition/

the goptard teabagging crew childishly abused the rules and fucked themselves up, and future minorities, probably for good

our country is better off not listening to their dumb redneck constituency

Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> Here's a fact for you. Over half of the
> presidential nominee's filibustered in the entire
> history of this country have been President
> Obama's nominee's. That means Obama has had more
> of his nominee's filibustered than all presidents
> before him combined.


Reid: “Some In This Chamber Want To Throw Out 214 Years Of Senate History In The Quest For Absolute Power. … They Think They’re Wiser Than Our Founding Fathers. I Doubt That That’s True.” SEN. HARRY REID: “For 200 years we’ve had the right to extended debate. It’s not some procedural gimmick. It’s within the vision of the founding fathers of our country. They did it; we didn’t do it. They established a government so that no one person and no single party could have total control. Some in this chamber want to throw out 214 years of Senate history in the quest for absolute power. They want to do away with Mr. Smith, as depicted in that great movie, being able to come to Washington. They want to do away with the filibuster. They think they’re wiser than our founding fathers. I doubt that that’s true.” (Sen. Harry Reid, Floor Remarks, 5/18/05)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Ga91DDZxNng

For federal appeals court nominees, President George W. Bush saw 35 of his 52 nominees confirmed, and, so far, 30 of Mr. Obama’s 42 nominees have been confirmed.

Yep. Those darned Repub... wait, what?

Note that TehWon and HairyReed bypassed cloture and went straight to voice vote, as they had the required 60 votes during TehWon's first term, thus counting "cloture" as a "filibuster" is beyond stupid:

http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/reference/cloture_motions/111.htm#result_key

History not your forte Wrote:
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> Note that TehWon and HairyReed bypassed cloture
> and went straight to voice vote, as they had the
> required 60 votes during TehWon's first term, thus
> counting "cloture" as a "filibuster" is beyond
> stupid:
>
> http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/reference/cloture
> _motions/111.htm#result_key


Reid plays the cloture game to both sides all the time. Most of what gets counted is because of how Reid runs the Senate, not because of Republicans.

Whatever the temporary necessity may have been which motivated Senate Democrats to make this rule change, and during the middle of the session, it is fairly certain to come back and bite them in the ass.

If people want Washington to get fixed, Reid needs to lose power or be voted out. It really is that simple.

Every since he got power in the Senate Washington has been an even bigger cluster fuck than usual.

You still have a president with veto power. Only way to make government work for the people again is to teach the obstructionists whom hate government that if they dislike it so much, they have no place in it. Vote the Repubican bastards out.

Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> You still have a president with veto power. Only
> way to make government work for the people again
> is to teach the obstructionists whom hate
> government that if they dislike it so much, they
> have no place in it. Vote the Repubican bastards
> out.


Biden: “I Pray God When The Democrats Take Back Control, We Don’t Make The Kind Of Naked Power Grab You Are Doing.” BIDEN: “Isn’t what is really going on here that the majority does not want to hear what others have to say, even if it is the truth? Senator Moynihan, my good friend who I served with for years, said: You are entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts. The nuclear option abandons America’s sense of fair play. It is the one thing this country stands for: Not tilting the playing field on the side of those who control and own the field. I say to my friends on the Republican side: You may own the field right now, but you won’t own it forever. I pray God when the Democrats take back control, we don’t make the kind of naked power grab you are doing. But I am afraid you will teach my new colleagues the wrong lessons.” (Sen. Joe Biden, Floor Remarks, 5/23/05)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xws3jn0h_cU

When Democrats Oppossed Changing The Filibuster

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GBu6-wMuj0

FFXU isn't really a place for intelligent debate and back and forth. It's where Republican trolls flourish. Mindless drones that can just post dumb shit rather than articulate their own positions.

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> FFXU isn't really a place for intelligent debate
> and back and forth. It's where Republican trolls
> flourish. Mindless drones that can just post dumb
> shit rather than articulate their own positions.


Yet you return to troll day in day out. Oh I know I get it, you're a self proclaimed liberal warrior. A liberal warrior...? Bahahaha

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> FFXU isn't really a place for intelligent debate
> and back and forth. It's where Republican trolls
> flourish. Mindless drones that can just post dumb
> shit rather than articulate their own positions.
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> > flourish. Mindless drones that can just post
> dumb
> > shit rather than articulate their own positions.


sine when is _eyedea_ a conservative

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> > > FFXU isn't really a place for intelligent
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> > > and back and forth. It's where Republican
> > trolls
> > > flourish. Mindless drones that can just post
> > dumb
> > > shit rather than articulate their own
> positions.
>
>
> sine when is _eyedea_ a conservative


I don't really lean one way or the other, I am genuinely bothered by party cheerleading though..i'd like this country to be less shitty and I feel like people are more concerned with their party being the winner or the loser, and really, it's great that gas is back to 3.00 a gallon, but take a trip outside of Fairfax county sometime, it's not so picturesque out there anymore

There is no mention of the filibuster in the Constitution. Until very recently in U.S. history, filibusters were rarely used. Half of all filibusters of executive-branch nominees have occurred under President Obama, and it was obvious from the first day of his presidency that Republicans would use the tactic to hamstring the government and block Obama. Its not in the constitution so it should be removed all together from use in the government. Suck on it tea party.

Liberal Logic 29 Wrote:
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> If people want Washington to get fixed, Reid needs
> to lose power or be voted out. It really is that
> simple.
>
> Every since he got power in the Senate Washington
> has been an even bigger cluster fuck than usual.

Yes, everything is simple to you, isn't it? You're not worth rebutting, you arrogant jerk.

philip A Busta Wrote:
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> There is no mention of the filibuster in the
> Constitution. Until very recently in U.S. history,
> filibusters were rarely used. Half of all
> filibusters of executive-branch nominees have
> occurred under President Obama, and it was obvious
> from the first day of his presidency that
> Republicans would use the tactic to hamstring the
> government and block Obama. Its not in the
> constitution so it should be removed all together
> from use in the government. Suck on it tea party.

1. You idiot parrots need to learn the difference between cloture and filibuster.

2. A large number of those are a result of Reid's management of what and how things make it to the floor for votes. When you try to ram everything through with no opportunity provided for the minority to have a voice, they're left with using whatever means they have.

c. Reid was the one who ramped up use of the method to begin with fringe Bush's term versus the "tea party."

U Moron Wrote:
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> Liberal Logic 29 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > If people want Washington to get fixed, Reid
> needs
> > to lose power or be voted out. It really is
> that
> > simple.
> >
> > Every since he got power in the Senate
> Washington
> > has been an even bigger cluster fuck than
> usual.


Actually, liblogic almost said something completely true here. I will fix it so it makes sense.



If people want Washington to get fixed, (Insert politician who needs to be voted out here) needs to lose power or be voted out.

It really is that simple.

Ever since (Insert politician who needs to be voted out here) got power in the Senate Washington has been an even bigger cluster fuck than usual.



Here lies the biggest problem with our government - NONE of you party SHEEP ever vote out anyone within your party, no matter how much they fuck you over. So, we all end up with the same (Insert politician who needs to be voted out here) over and over, because you idiots act like children.

It really is mass insanity.

Republicans will obstruct as much of Obama’s agenda as possible, because of the built in incentives for individual lawmakers to continue doing so — which, if anything, are exacerbated with 2014 looming and Republicans maneuvering for the 2016 GOP presidential primary — except when it threatens to do overall damage to the party that outweighs those incentives

Wow, this is strange.