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Doesn't the government need a warrant to monitor your e-mails?
Posted by:
Quiet Riot
()
Date: November 04, 2013 11:29PM
So, a ton of people in the Justice Department nearly resigned in disgust during the Bush administration when they were monitoring phone calls and e-mails of American citizens without a warrant. Now it comes out after the Edward Snowden thing that they're (still, I guess) doing this...and everyone just gets mad at that guy for coming out and talking about it. Isn't it illegal to spy on American citizens, monitoring communications without consent or a warrant? No one even talks about this. Like it's not even an issue anymore. What the hell happened? It's just "okay" now...it's not even a discussion. It's still illegal, right? But...we don't mind I guess.
Re: Doesn't the government need a warrant to monitor your e-mails?
Posted by:
Advocate
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Date: November 04, 2013 11:34PM
Quiet Riot Wrote:
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. It's
> still illegal, right? But...we don't mind I guess.
The Constitution is just a piece of paper. It's been ignored so much that it has become virtually irrelevant. We all prentend it is relevent, courts reference it and children/newspapers/politicians pay tribute to it as if it's some sacred text.
But just like all the religous texts, we all pretend to follow them but in truth we do as much evil as we can get away with.
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. It's
> still illegal, right? But...we don't mind I guess.
The Constitution is just a piece of paper. It's been ignored so much that it has become virtually irrelevant. We all prentend it is relevent, courts reference it and children/newspapers/politicians pay tribute to it as if it's some sacred text.
But just like all the religous texts, we all pretend to follow them but in truth we do as much evil as we can get away with.
Re: Doesn't the government need a warrant to monitor your e-mails?
Posted by:
Quiet Riot
()
Date: November 04, 2013 11:41PM
I understand. I just think it's very interesting how almost no one....actually, how NO ONE...has made a real issue out of this. No one cares. Not on the left (maybe because it's Obama in the white house at the moment, I don't know), not the right (maybe because it was Bush who really launched the new age of stripping away personal freedoms, so you can't really go after the thing your guy started?). No one. We're all fine with this. It's fine. Fine. FINE.
Re: Doesn't the government need a warrant to monitor your e-mails?
Posted by:
4tcDe
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Date: November 04, 2013 11:45PM
Quiet Riot Wrote:
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> I understand. I just think it's very interesting
> how almost no one....actually, how NO ONE...has
> made a real issue out of this. No one cares. Not
> on the left (maybe because it's Obama in the white
> house at the moment, I don't know), not the right
> (maybe because it was Bush who really launched the
> new age of stripping away personal freedoms, so
> you can't really go after the thing your guy
> started?). No one. We're all fine with this. It's
> fine. Fine. FINE.
You just answered your own question. Since each party has an equal amount of blame, neither can sensationalize it against the other.
The right tries, but fails.
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> I understand. I just think it's very interesting
> how almost no one....actually, how NO ONE...has
> made a real issue out of this. No one cares. Not
> on the left (maybe because it's Obama in the white
> house at the moment, I don't know), not the right
> (maybe because it was Bush who really launched the
> new age of stripping away personal freedoms, so
> you can't really go after the thing your guy
> started?). No one. We're all fine with this. It's
> fine. Fine. FINE.
You just answered your own question. Since each party has an equal amount of blame, neither can sensationalize it against the other.
The right tries, but fails.
Re: Doesn't the government need a warrant to monitor your e-mails?
Posted by:
Quiet Riot
()
Date: November 04, 2013 11:54PM
4tcDe Wrote:
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> Quiet Riot Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I understand. I just think it's very
> interesting
> > how almost no one....actually, how NO ONE...has
> > made a real issue out of this. No one cares.
> Not
> > on the left (maybe because it's Obama in the
> white
> > house at the moment, I don't know), not the
> right
> > (maybe because it was Bush who really launched
> the
> > new age of stripping away personal freedoms, so
> > you can't really go after the thing your guy
> > started?). No one. We're all fine with this.
> It's
> > fine. Fine. FINE.
>
>
> You just answered your own question. Since each
> party has an equal amount of blame, neither can
> sensationalize it against the other.
>
> The right tries, but fails.
That's what I was afraid of. I was hoping someone would come along and say something I didn't already suspect. It is illegal. Plain and simple. But I'm not going to get Wingnut on my side to protest this thing because his party started it, and I wont get Gerrymanderer on my side because his guy is continuing it. Instead, we all just blow up at the guy who blew the whistle on it, because he's more or less something both sides are allowed by their ideology to get angry at.
Disgusting.
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> Quiet Riot Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I understand. I just think it's very
> interesting
> > how almost no one....actually, how NO ONE...has
> > made a real issue out of this. No one cares.
> Not
> > on the left (maybe because it's Obama in the
> white
> > house at the moment, I don't know), not the
> right
> > (maybe because it was Bush who really launched
> the
> > new age of stripping away personal freedoms, so
> > you can't really go after the thing your guy
> > started?). No one. We're all fine with this.
> It's
> > fine. Fine. FINE.
>
>
> You just answered your own question. Since each
> party has an equal amount of blame, neither can
> sensationalize it against the other.
>
> The right tries, but fails.
That's what I was afraid of. I was hoping someone would come along and say something I didn't already suspect. It is illegal. Plain and simple. But I'm not going to get Wingnut on my side to protest this thing because his party started it, and I wont get Gerrymanderer on my side because his guy is continuing it. Instead, we all just blow up at the guy who blew the whistle on it, because he's more or less something both sides are allowed by their ideology to get angry at.
Disgusting.
Re: Doesn't the government need a warrant to monitor your e-mails?
Posted by:
Quiet Riot
()
Date: November 05, 2013 01:47AM
No comments on this. No one even wants to call you a libtard. Neither side will touch this issue with a ten foot pole. Fascinating.
Re: Doesn't the government need a warrant to monitor your e-mails?
Posted by:
no comments
()
Date: November 05, 2013 08:20AM
still no comments
Re: Doesn't the government need a warrant to monitor your e-mails?
Posted by:
and still no comments
()
Date: November 05, 2013 10:33AM
still zero comments.
no one on either side will even acknowledge this.
no one on either side will even acknowledge this.
Re: Doesn't the government need a warrant to monitor your e-mails?
Posted by:
corruption fatigue
()
Date: November 05, 2013 10:51AM
The corruption is just rampant in the society. Even if they pass laws or regulations, you can bet they'll be ignored or they'll find some way to get around them because they have influence on the writing of laws and regulations.
Re: Doesn't the government need a warrant to monitor your e-mails?
Posted by:
Quiet Riot
()
Date: November 05, 2013 10:59AM
I think it says a lot about this country that we have about a thousand Obama is an idiot threads and a few dozen Obama is great threads, but nothing about this. If there is any discussion about this issue of spying, it's only involving the scapegoat, Edward Snowden. Both sides can go there. But god forbid we talk about what's really going on. The fact is we've just quietly surrendered our personal liberties. Completely. There was no fight, at all. And I believe that this is the natural course of things, it can't turn back...in other words, this is inevitable, the police state we've been entering since the 2000's. But I find it very disturbing anyway that no one has even put up a fight. I don't mind because I have nothing to hide. That is.........unbelievable to me...the mindset. Fine.
Re: Doesn't the government need a warrant to monitor your e-mails?
Posted by:
Reality Inquires
()
Date: November 05, 2013 11:41AM
Quiet Riot Wrote:
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> The fact is we've just quietly
> surrendered our personal liberties.
> Completely.
Really, you simply have to get a grip.
Rather than prattling on about 'liberties' and 'rights', please specifically detail the way(s) in which the activities if the NSA have negatively impacted your day-to-day life.
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> The fact is we've just quietly
> surrendered our personal liberties.
> Completely.
Really, you simply have to get a grip.
Rather than prattling on about 'liberties' and 'rights', please specifically detail the way(s) in which the activities if the NSA have negatively impacted your day-to-day life.
Re: Doesn't the government need a warrant to monitor your e-mails?
Posted by:
Quiet Riot
()
Date: November 05, 2013 11:47AM
Reality Inquires Wrote:
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> Quiet Riot Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The fact is we've just quietly
> > surrendered our personal liberties.
> > Completely.
>
> Really, you simply have to get a grip.
>
> Rather than prattling on about 'liberties' and
> 'rights', please specifically detail the way(s) in
> which the activities if the NSA have negatively
> impacted your day-to-day life.
So, because it doesn't negatively affect me now, it will never negatively affect me. Is that it? You do understand you have not just given the green light for this specific program under the NSA, you've given the green light to any and all similar actions by any and all future administrations. This sets a precedent. You can't see beyond your day-to-day life.
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> Quiet Riot Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The fact is we've just quietly
> > surrendered our personal liberties.
> > Completely.
>
> Really, you simply have to get a grip.
>
> Rather than prattling on about 'liberties' and
> 'rights', please specifically detail the way(s) in
> which the activities if the NSA have negatively
> impacted your day-to-day life.
So, because it doesn't negatively affect me now, it will never negatively affect me. Is that it? You do understand you have not just given the green light for this specific program under the NSA, you've given the green light to any and all similar actions by any and all future administrations. This sets a precedent. You can't see beyond your day-to-day life.
Re: Doesn't the government need a warrant to monitor your e-mails?
Posted by:
eLester
()
Date: November 05, 2013 11:47AM
A lot of people now depend on the defense industry for paychecks now. As many as 1 million may be working on 'terrorism' alone. They're not going to say anything that contradicts the official story. In order to make a convincing lie, you have to devote resources to it as if it were real (see Iraq WMDs).
The scary thing is that the news reporters like David Gregory and some on the NY Times have attacked the Guardian and Greenwald for reporting on the illegal surveillance. They obviously knew about this program and many others.
The scary thing is that the news reporters like David Gregory and some on the NY Times have attacked the Guardian and Greenwald for reporting on the illegal surveillance. They obviously knew about this program and many others.