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Government Healthcare -- What Could Go Wrong?
Posted by:
From Da Hood -- The Original
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Date: September 20, 2013 09:40PM
Hmm ... Joe Biden said colonoscopies would be free. Apparently, they're free at the VA medical centers, but just given a bit too late.
WASHINGTON (AP) — Six deaths have been linked to delayed screenings for colorectal cancer at the veterans medical center in Columbia, S.C., the Veterans Affairs Department said Friday.
The VA's inspector general said in a recent report that delayed colonoscopies and other screenings were linked to malignancies found in 52 patients. The report did not go into detail about the seriousness of those cases.
Source: http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-politics/20130920/US-VA-Medical-Center-Columbia/
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WASHINGTON (AP) — Six deaths have been linked to delayed screenings for colorectal cancer at the veterans medical center in Columbia, S.C., the Veterans Affairs Department said Friday.
The VA's inspector general said in a recent report that delayed colonoscopies and other screenings were linked to malignancies found in 52 patients. The report did not go into detail about the seriousness of those cases.
Source: http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-politics/20130920/US-VA-Medical-Center-Columbia/
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Re: Government Healthcare -- What Could Go Wrong?
Posted by:
Gerrymanderer2
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Date: September 20, 2013 09:41PM
Ask the rest of the worlds developed industrialized countries. Who taught you not to believe in America?
Re: Government Healthcare -- What Could Go Wrong?
Posted by:
CHILL
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Date: September 20, 2013 10:15PM
National healthcare works in countries like Germany and Canada IF it is managed correctly. Obamacare is a joke and total debacle. "Affordable" healthcare for all americans. LOL. Yeah for O-NO and Congress it is wonderful.
Re: Government Healthcare -- What Could Go Wrong?
Posted by:
gerry1
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Date: September 20, 2013 10:32PM
Its all you can get done out of a bipartisan committee with Republicans. If it fails then we know what the last alternative is.
Re: Government Healthcare -- What Could Go Wrong?
Posted by:
MWnFN
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Date: September 20, 2013 10:38PM
Yea right you are hoping for single payer. Aint gonna happen...
gerry1 Wrote:
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> Its all you can get done out of a bipartisan
> committee with Republicans. If it fails then we
> know what the last alternative is.
gerry1 Wrote:
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> Its all you can get done out of a bipartisan
> committee with Republicans. If it fails then we
> know what the last alternative is.
Re: Government Healthcare -- What Could Go Wrong?
Posted by:
CHILL
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Date: September 20, 2013 10:47PM
Revamp the tax code and have national healthcare like Germany or Canada. Get rid of the money making whore insurance companies. There bottom line is to make money. Ridiculous.
Re: Government Healthcare -- What Could Go Wrong?
Posted by:
CHILL
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Date: September 20, 2013 10:47PM
I know it is a dream but common sense.
Re: Government Healthcare -- What Could Go Wrong?
Posted by:
UKyLC
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Date: September 21, 2013 02:09AM
CHILL Wrote:
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> National healthcare works in countries like
> Germany and Canada IF it is managed correctly.
> Obamacare is a joke and total debacle.
> "Affordable" healthcare for all americans. LOL.
> Yeah for O-NO and Congress it is wonderful.
Actually, Germany's health care system, with a combination of private and state supported insurance programs, is more like Obamacare than you seem to realize. Depending on income levels, Germans either receive government funded insurance, get it through employers who participate in such plans, or are required by law to purchase it. The German population polls very favorably for their system, which dates back to the 1920s.
Canada's is a single-payer system. What most Americans don't know, willfully or otherwise, is that the single-payer is not the federal government in Ottawa. It is the provincial governments (provinces being effectively the equivalent of American states) with Ottawa playing a supporting role. Americans also don't realize that Canadians love their system. It's current form was put into place in the early 1960's and since then, Canada's had liberal governments and conservative governments (the current one is conservative and has been in power for over 6 years); and no one has ever proposed repealing it.
Now, out of curiosity, how do you know that "Obamacare is a joke and a total debacle?" It hasn't even started yet.
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> National healthcare works in countries like
> Germany and Canada IF it is managed correctly.
> Obamacare is a joke and total debacle.
> "Affordable" healthcare for all americans. LOL.
> Yeah for O-NO and Congress it is wonderful.
Actually, Germany's health care system, with a combination of private and state supported insurance programs, is more like Obamacare than you seem to realize. Depending on income levels, Germans either receive government funded insurance, get it through employers who participate in such plans, or are required by law to purchase it. The German population polls very favorably for their system, which dates back to the 1920s.
Canada's is a single-payer system. What most Americans don't know, willfully or otherwise, is that the single-payer is not the federal government in Ottawa. It is the provincial governments (provinces being effectively the equivalent of American states) with Ottawa playing a supporting role. Americans also don't realize that Canadians love their system. It's current form was put into place in the early 1960's and since then, Canada's had liberal governments and conservative governments (the current one is conservative and has been in power for over 6 years); and no one has ever proposed repealing it.
Now, out of curiosity, how do you know that "Obamacare is a joke and a total debacle?" It hasn't even started yet.
Re: Government Healthcare -- What Could Go Wrong?
Posted by:
CHILL
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Date: September 21, 2013 02:34AM
If it is so wonderful why did Congress and the President get exempted? That should be a clue genius.
Re: Government Healthcare -- What Could Go Wrong?
Posted by:
Liberal Logic 28
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Date: September 21, 2013 03:19AM
UKyLC Wrote:
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> Actually, Germany's health care system, with a
> combination of private and state supported
> insurance programs, is more like Obamacare than
> you seem to realize. Depending on income levels,
> Germans either receive government funded
> insurance, get it through employers who
> participate in such plans, or are required by law
> to purchase it. The German population polls very
> favorably for their system, which dates back to
> the 1920s.
>
> Canada's is a single-payer system. What most
> Americans don't know, willfully or otherwise, is
> that the single-payer is not the federal
> government in Ottawa. It is the provincial
> governments (provinces being effectively the
> equivalent of American states) with Ottawa playing
> a supporting role. Americans also don't realize
> that Canadians love their system. It's current
> form was put into place in the early 1960's and
> since then, Canada's had liberal governments and
> conservative governments (the current one is
> conservative and has been in power for over 6
> years); and no one has ever proposed repealing it.
>
>
> Now, out of curiosity, how do you know that
> "Obamacare is a joke and a total debacle?" It
> hasn't even started yet.
Just because they like something doesnt mean its better. In 1999 only 24% of Canadianslabeled the system as very good. Ask Brock Lesnar how great Canadas system was when he almost died there from diverticulitis that was treated in the US. Or better yet explain how waiting lists for treatment are an improvement over what we have. In hospital urgent heart surgery patients waited 8 days with others having to wait up to two months, MRIs are notoriously hard to get, theres long waiting lists for everything from rationed care. Theres numerous academic studies and articles about how horrible the wait times are and how unorganized and bad the problem is.
People dont come from around the world to the US hospitals because our system is inferior. It works a little better in Germany but still inferior. Everywhere that has universal health care has significantly longer wait times for surgery and diagnostic tests unlike the US where you could get an MRI by the end of the week if not next day.
Once the system is in place you wont go back. Nothing you just said was an argument for the merits of switching, you just mentioned complacency for people who have known no other system since they were born.
You may think its fine to wait 6 months for neurosurgery like in Canada but the majority of Americans would rather have readily accessible care that you dont have to pay entirely out of pocket for. Universal health care just means fewer doctors accept insurance, and long wait lists. The Cleveland Clinic is already announcing layoffs from when Obamacare gets implemented and theyre one of the premier hospitals of the world.
Now that we passed it and know whats in it since Pelosi couldnt be bothered to figure it out first its quite clear it is in fact a debacle
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> Actually, Germany's health care system, with a
> combination of private and state supported
> insurance programs, is more like Obamacare than
> you seem to realize. Depending on income levels,
> Germans either receive government funded
> insurance, get it through employers who
> participate in such plans, or are required by law
> to purchase it. The German population polls very
> favorably for their system, which dates back to
> the 1920s.
>
> Canada's is a single-payer system. What most
> Americans don't know, willfully or otherwise, is
> that the single-payer is not the federal
> government in Ottawa. It is the provincial
> governments (provinces being effectively the
> equivalent of American states) with Ottawa playing
> a supporting role. Americans also don't realize
> that Canadians love their system. It's current
> form was put into place in the early 1960's and
> since then, Canada's had liberal governments and
> conservative governments (the current one is
> conservative and has been in power for over 6
> years); and no one has ever proposed repealing it.
>
>
> Now, out of curiosity, how do you know that
> "Obamacare is a joke and a total debacle?" It
> hasn't even started yet.
Just because they like something doesnt mean its better. In 1999 only 24% of Canadianslabeled the system as very good. Ask Brock Lesnar how great Canadas system was when he almost died there from diverticulitis that was treated in the US. Or better yet explain how waiting lists for treatment are an improvement over what we have. In hospital urgent heart surgery patients waited 8 days with others having to wait up to two months, MRIs are notoriously hard to get, theres long waiting lists for everything from rationed care. Theres numerous academic studies and articles about how horrible the wait times are and how unorganized and bad the problem is.
People dont come from around the world to the US hospitals because our system is inferior. It works a little better in Germany but still inferior. Everywhere that has universal health care has significantly longer wait times for surgery and diagnostic tests unlike the US where you could get an MRI by the end of the week if not next day.
Once the system is in place you wont go back. Nothing you just said was an argument for the merits of switching, you just mentioned complacency for people who have known no other system since they were born.
You may think its fine to wait 6 months for neurosurgery like in Canada but the majority of Americans would rather have readily accessible care that you dont have to pay entirely out of pocket for. Universal health care just means fewer doctors accept insurance, and long wait lists. The Cleveland Clinic is already announcing layoffs from when Obamacare gets implemented and theyre one of the premier hospitals of the world.
Now that we passed it and know whats in it since Pelosi couldnt be bothered to figure it out first its quite clear it is in fact a debacle
Re: Government Healthcare -- What Could Go Wrong?
Posted by:
Gerrymanderer2
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Date: September 21, 2013 04:17AM
Yeah that's right, health care is more accessible for those with the ability to pay for it in America. That's the only benefit though. The USA ranks 38th in the world between Slovenia and gets beat by Costa Rica.
That's the superior system he's talking about. Heartless douchebags.
That's the superior system he's talking about. Heartless douchebags.
Re: Government Healthcare -- What Could Go Wrong?
Posted by:
eesh
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Date: September 21, 2013 04:19AM
Will Obamacare pay for my mental health counseling?
Re: Government Healthcare -- What Could Go Wrong?
Posted by:
Tough One
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Date: September 21, 2013 04:45AM
"I'm from the government and here to help." That alone could go wrong.
Re: Government Healthcare -- What Could Go Wrong?
Posted by:
From Da Hood -- The One and Only
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Date: September 21, 2013 05:55AM
Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> Yeah that's right, health care is more accessible
> for those with the ability to pay for it in
> America. That's the only benefit though. The USA
> ranks 38th in the world between Slovenia and gets
> beat by Costa Rica.
>
> That's the superior system he's talking about.
> Heartless douchebags.
What rag do you get your numbers from? Please do keep in mind, your positioning of where America stand (at 38) really means little to any of us as we don't know what criteria was utilized for the review.
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> Yeah that's right, health care is more accessible
> for those with the ability to pay for it in
> America. That's the only benefit though. The USA
> ranks 38th in the world between Slovenia and gets
> beat by Costa Rica.
>
> That's the superior system he's talking about.
> Heartless douchebags.
What rag do you get your numbers from? Please do keep in mind, your positioning of where America stand (at 38) really means little to any of us as we don't know what criteria was utilized for the review.
Re: Government Healthcare -- What Could Go Wrong?
Posted by:
nbfghf
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Date: September 21, 2013 08:55AM
under obama care you have to disclose your sex partners and provide samples of your dna to the federal database
Re: Government Healthcare -- What Could Go Wrong?
Posted by:
gerry wants free stuff
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Date: September 21, 2013 09:26AM
nbfghf Wrote:
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> under obama care you have to disclose your sex
> partners and provide samples of your dna to the
> federal database
Easy for gerrymanderer number of partners = zero unless you count his hand
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> under obama care you have to disclose your sex
> partners and provide samples of your dna to the
> federal database
Easy for gerrymanderer number of partners = zero unless you count his hand
Re: Government Healthcare -- What Could Go Wrong?
Posted by:
From Da Hood -- The One and Only
()
Date: September 21, 2013 09:53AM
gerry wants free stuff Wrote:
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> Easy for gerrymanderer number of partners = zero
> unless you count his hand
You mean if he were to count ladies, right? However, if you allow him to count male partners he's been with, then he'll have to use his hands, and his toes and maybe his teeth too for all of them.
Gerry is a man-slut to the dominating males in his life!
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> Easy for gerrymanderer number of partners = zero
> unless you count his hand
You mean if he were to count ladies, right? However, if you allow him to count male partners he's been with, then he'll have to use his hands, and his toes and maybe his teeth too for all of them.
Gerry is a man-slut to the dominating males in his life!
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Re: Government Healthcare -- What Could Go Wrong?
Posted by:
unknownuser123
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Date: September 21, 2013 10:02AM
nbfghf Wrote:
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> under obama care you have to disclose your sex
> partners and provide samples of your dna to the
> federal database
that information will be programmed on your planted microchip of medical records
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> under obama care you have to disclose your sex
> partners and provide samples of your dna to the
> federal database
that information will be programmed on your planted microchip of medical records
Re: Government Healthcare -- What Could Go Wrong?
Posted by:
svennestle
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Date: September 21, 2013 03:25PM
not a thing wrong with facists running health care: your called mentally ill by a gov worker then forced to pay medical bills. heart problem? drop dead they don't care. only if you know the path are you getting that fixed.
we all loved M*A*S*H and there's your gov run healthcare !
i'm sure eesh is going to sign up to be clinger right ? (ok, i might be lying)
the rest of us, well, will be blown to bits by a mortar of course
we all loved M*A*S*H and there's your gov run healthcare !
i'm sure eesh is going to sign up to be clinger right ? (ok, i might be lying)
the rest of us, well, will be blown to bits by a mortar of course
Re: Government Healthcare -- What Could Go Wrong?
Posted by:
svennestle
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Date: September 21, 2013 03:28PM
hey remember on all the M*A*S*H episodes ?
when they were short on medical supplies because drug addicts were stealing the morphine ?
and they could not put the patients in anesthesia or died during ?
that was halarious
when they were short on medical supplies because drug addicts were stealing the morphine ?
and they could not put the patients in anesthesia or died during ?
that was halarious
Re: Government Healthcare -- What Could Go Wrong?
Posted by:
real ?
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Date: September 21, 2013 03:47PM
they're free but they need specialized nurses to perform a colonoscopy. can't be done with a technician or a CNA?