Should we be more PC and call them undocumented immigrants instead of illegal?

Should we give total amnesty to the 12 million undocumented hispanic immigrants?

What happens to the ones waiting in line for legal immigration to come to this country?

Are you in favor of giving undocumented immigrants in-state tuition and federal funds to attend college? Should affirmative action also apply to undocumented immigrants?

Should we be sending back the high-skilled legal immigrants from China, India, South Korea who bring back American education and enterpreneuralship to compete against us?

kick out the uglies and only allow the pretty ones in.

newzooreview Wrote:
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> kick out the uglies and only allow the pretty ones
> in.

that will narrow it down to the eastern bloc babes, those salvadorians got nothing going on. Having five kids by age 20 doesnt help

Can we have a serious discussion for once on a very important topic that will
most likely affect your family's future?

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF DOING THE RIGHT THING AND GRANTING THE
UNDOCUMENTED FULL LEGAL RIGHTS AND CITIZENSHIP RESPOND! WE NEED
YOUR SUPPORT AMERICANS.

UNDO YOUR HARM YOUR ANCESTORS DID. THIS WAS ORIGINALLY OUR COUNTRY.

There's a 10-year waiting list for approval of family members of recently naturalized US citizens. A lot of the "illegals" are family members who gave up waiting and came into the country.

ex-Lester Wrote:
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> There's a 10-year waiting list for approval of
> family members of recently naturalized US
> citizens. A lot of the "illegals" are family
> members who gave up waiting and came into the
> country.


OF COUSE THEY GAVE UP WAITING. THE SITUATION IN MEXICO
IS BAD. NOBODY IS ABLE TO GET A JOB. THE US IS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY
TO GET A JOB AND HELP YOUR FAMILY BACK IN MEXICO. WE ARE ALL
HUMANS.

can we have a serious... Wrote:
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> Can we have a serious discussion for once on a
> very important topic that will
> most likely affect your family's future?

I am serious, I see those eastern bloc babes in the summer as lifeguards. I see the salvadorian women at Walmart with five kids in tow. Easy choice if I am being given one.

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Can we for once not treat a serious issue as a dumping ground for pix of chics? Go to a porn site for that. Let's stay on topic people!

If you see those pics as porn you must have issues

Just shows the intelligece of people of Fairfax County. Nobody here
will answer the question of first post. They are too busy looking at
pictures of fat girls. Brown pride all day!

I will answer honestly. They should not be here period. Last time I went to Mexico I was told to provide the following:

Who I was traveling with
Where I was staying
How long I was staying
Purpose of my trip

I was further instructed that if I overstayed my visit I was subject to arrest. Also that I must carry my passport at all times and was to make it available to Mexican authorities upon demand and regardless of reason.

I dont see why we cannot ask the same. I can imagine the reception I would have been given if I demanded to be given food stamps, welfare and free housing.

Just curious......... Wrote:
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> Should we be more PC and call them undocumented
> immigrants instead of illegal?

NO. Undocumented immigrants implies that all they did was mess up the paperwork. If you don't like illegal aliens, how about unlawful residents.

> Should we give total amnesty to the 12 million
> undocumented hispanic immigrants?

NO. Certain groups should be allowed to be legalized though.

> What happens to the ones waiting in line for legal
> immigration to come to this country?

One of the reasons for my answer to the above question.

> Are you in favor of giving undocumented immigrants
> in-state tuition and federal funds to attend
> college?

If individual states wish to allow unlawful residents to get in-state tuition, they should be able to do so. If states did not want to do so, they should not be compelled to do so. Federal funds should not be used to pay the tuition of ANY STUDENTS, whether citizens or not, with the possible exception of residents of U.S. territories.

> Should affirmative action also apply to
> undocumented immigrants?

You are joking right? It is illegal to employ unlawful residents as well as certain classes of those legally in this country. You are actually going to subject an employer to criminal sanctions for FOLLOWING THE LAW?!?

> Should we be sending back the high-skilled legal
> immigrants from China, India, South Korea who
> bring back American education and
> enterpreneuralship to compete against us?

YES. Large numbers of immigrants do precisely that under the current system, and would likely do so even if immigration was liberalized. And why does their country of origin matter? Besides, if you are looking at the impact on the U.S. economy there is more of a case for letting in people to pick tomatos.

And yes all of those answers were serious.

lackey Wrote:
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> I will answer honestly. They should not be here
> period. Last time I went to Mexico I was told to
> provide the following:
>
> Who I was traveling with
> Where I was staying
> How long I was staying
> Purpose of my trip
>
> I was further instructed that if I overstayed my
> visit I was subject to arrest. Also that I must
> carry my passport at all times and was to make it
> available to Mexican authorities upon demand and
> regardless of reason.
>
> I dont see why we cannot ask the same. I can
> imagine the reception I would have been given if I
> demanded to be given food stamps, welfare and free
> housing.



So you don't care that they are human beings? undocumented immmigrants
are the reason why this country is so successful. the reason why this country
didnt belly flop from the recession. we are the reason the gdp of us is so high. without us, google and silicon valley would be nothing. without
us, wall street woudlnt be what it is. It's time for you to recognize the
contributions of brown pride.

if we are not going to enforce immigration laws then disband ICE and save us billions of dollars. As long as obama piles on the free stuff to illegals they will vote for him and his ilk, so I see nothing worth talking about.

Bill.N. Wrote:
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> Just curious......... Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Should we be more PC and call them undocumented
> > immigrants instead of illegal?
>
> NO. Undocumented immigrants implies that all they
> did was mess up the paperwork. If you don't like
> illegal aliens, how about unlawful residents.
>
> > Should we give total amnesty to the 12 million
> > undocumented hispanic immigrants?
>
> NO. Certain groups should be allowed to be
> legalized though.
>
> > What happens to the ones waiting in line for
> legal
> > immigration to come to this country?
>
> One of the reasons for my answer to the above
> question.
>
> > Are you in favor of giving undocumented
> immigrants
> > in-state tuition and federal funds to attend
> > college?
>
> If individual states wish to allow unlawful
> residents to get in-state tuition, they should be
> able to do so. If states did not want to do so,
> they should not be compelled to do so. Federal
> funds should not be used to pay the tuition of ANY
> STUDENTS, whether citizens or not, with the
> possible exception of residents of U.S.
> territories.
>
> > Should affirmative action also apply to
> > undocumented immigrants?
>
> You are joking right? It is illegal to employ
> unlawful residents as well as certain classes of
> those legally in this country. You are actually
> going to subject an employer to criminal sanctions
> for FOLLOWING THE LAW?!?
>
> > Should we be sending back the high-skilled
> legal
> > immigrants from China, India, South Korea who
> > bring back American education and
> > enterpreneuralship to compete against us?
>
> YES. Large numbers of immigrants do precisely
> that under the current system, and would likely do
> so even if immigration was liberalized. And why
> does their country of origin matter? Besides, if
> you are looking at the impact on the U.S. economy
> there is more of a case for letting in people to
> pick tomatos.
>
> And yes all of those answers were serious.


That's all nice, but you seem to forget that this is their original
country. It's like giving the boot to every person in France, then force them
to risk their lives to reenter the country of their ancestors.

Just curious......... Wrote:
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> Should we be more PC and call them undocumented
> immigrants instead of illegal?

Illegal immigrants is accurate because they are breaking the law.


> Should we give total amnesty to the 12 million
> undocumented hispanic immigrants?

NO

> What happens to the ones waiting in line for legal
> immigration to come to this country?

Keep waiting because that's what the system is.


> Are you in favor of giving undocumented immigrants
> in-state tuition and federal funds to attend
> college? Should affirmative action also apply to
> undocumented immigrants?

FUCK NO.


> Should we be sending back the high-skilled legal
> immigrants from China, India, South Korea who
> bring back American education and
> enterpreneuralship to compete against us?


If they come here legally and then choose to leave, what can you do?

I think the people who are against undocumented immigrants
are also card carrying members of the KKK. We are all humans, La Raza!

im so serious!

just let the pretty ones in.

If you do not look like a playboy centerfold model then get the fuck out and go back to mexico

I say keep them. I had my floors done for $1200. The American rip-off companies were trying to rip me off with estimates of $5000. Those guys worked hard and got it done cheap. I can use the extra $3800 I saved. Complain all you want. It's money in my pocket.

Let the hot ones stay

My honest stance - it's illegal.

Yunnny Wrote:
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> That's all nice, but you seem to forget that this
> is their original
> country. It's like giving the boot to every person
> in France, then force them
> to risk their lives to reenter the country of
> their ancestors.

For the most part we aren't talking about descendants of the Iroquois, the Souix, the Nex Pierce, the Apaches or other peoples whom the evil Anglo-Americans drove out. We are talking about people whose ancestors were already south of the Gila and the Rio Bravo del Norte before Coumbus arrived in 1492. Sure many of them had ancestors here, but that was around 10,000 years ago, and they chose to move on.

Also remember that the concept of "by right of conquest" existed on both sides of the Atlantic. And there are plenty of people today whose ancestors were driven out of France, and who if they sought to return would have to jump through hoops. The Jews during the Middle Ages and the Huguenots under Henri II through Louis XIV for instance.

Bill.N. Wrote:
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> Yunnny Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > That's all nice, but you seem to forget that
> this
> > is their original
> > country. It's like giving the boot to every
> person
> > in France, then force them
> > to risk their lives to reenter the country of
> > their ancestors.
>
> For the most part we aren't talking about
> descendants of the Iroquois, the Souix, the Nex
> Pierce, the Apaches or other peoples whom the evil
> Anglo-Americans drove out. We are talking about
> people whose ancestors were already south of the
> Gila and the Rio Bravo del Norte before Coumbus
> arrived in 1492. Sure many of them had ancestors
> here, but that was around 10,000 years ago, and
> they chose to move on.
>
> Also remember that the concept of "by right of
> conquest" existed on both sides of the Atlantic.
> And there are plenty of people today whose
> ancestors were driven out of France, and who if
> they sought to return would have to jump through
> hoops. The Jews during the Middle Ages and the
> Huguenots under Henri II through Louis XIV for
> instance.

My history is rusty but wasn't California, Oregon, Texas, and Washington part of Mexico up intil 200 years ago? I guess you can throw in parts of states that constituted the Gadsden Purchase.

alllllll Wrote:

> OF COUSE THEY GAVE UP WAITING. THE SITUATION IN
> MEXICO
> IS BAD. NOBODY IS ABLE TO GET A JOB. THE US IS A
> GOOD OPPORTUNITY
> TO GET A JOB AND HELP YOUR FAMILY BACK IN MEXICO.
> WE ARE ALL
> HUMANS.


Yes we are, and the illegal ones are part of the reason why the waiting list is so long for people trying to do the right thing. More of them could be let in if the illegals werent playing frogger at the boarder.

Our whole enforcement system is basically set up to make it look like were doing something to stop it when we arent. Without internal enforcement nothing will change

So? Wrote:
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> alllllll Wrote:
>
> > OF COUSE THEY GAVE UP WAITING. THE SITUATION IN
> > MEXICO
> > IS BAD. NOBODY IS ABLE TO GET A JOB. THE US IS
> A
> > GOOD OPPORTUNITY
> > TO GET A JOB AND HELP YOUR FAMILY BACK IN
> MEXICO.
> > WE ARE ALL
> > HUMANS.
>
>
> Yes we are, and the illegal ones are part of the
> reason why the waiting list is so long for people
> trying to do the right thing. More of them could
> be let in if the illegals werent playing frogger
> at the boarder.
>
> Our whole enforcement system is basically set up
> to make it look like were doing something to stop
> it when we arent. Without internal enforcement
> nothing will change

sorry, no human being is "illegal"

at one point, most of our ancestors where undocumented workers or illegal aliens.

you cant get taxes from non us-citizens. make them citizens, get the taxes these people should be paying. i need someone to pay for my retirement and obamacare.

When did yall's kin first move to the united states?

From what I know, my people moved here in like 1905.

It's actually very inspiring... people who risk literally everything to make a better life for their family.

 



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All I know is that Ukrainian and Moldavan women are some of the hardest working, compliant, and submissive workers I know. They don't mind spending their lives in a dark basement, sleeping five to a mattress, and being walked around on a leash.


They are very happy to be in America; five stars for immigration.

Stupid college aged liberal shit4brains are all for illegals overunning this country and giving them legal status. The beauty is that it's the mexican hordes that are taking the white kids college slots, taking their entry level jobs, taking their part time work. This country is being run by college aged potheads and ugly single women who only care about abortions hoping that they'll one day get laid. And now the libs want to give convicted felons and illegals the right to vote. Oy Vey.

Roger McDoger Wrote:
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> Stupid college aged liberal shit4brains are all
> for illegals overunning this country and giving
> them legal status. The beauty is that it's the
> mexican hordes that are taking the white kids
> college slots, taking their entry level jobs,
> taking their part time work. This country is
> being run by college aged potheads and ugly single
> women who only care about abortions hoping that
> they'll one day get laid. And now the libs want
> to give convicted felons and illegals the right to
> vote. Oy Vey.

This country was built on immigrants. Without the flow of hispanics, all
your corporations would crumble and your education system would be in shambles. Be lucky that they are here.

How about this, you can have all the assault weapons (because a few of them kill people). In exchange, all the illegals have to leave the country (because a few of them kill people).

If you're going to ban high capacity magazines because they are used to kill kids, feel free to ban the illegals since some of them manage to rape, murder, and rob too.

My mothers friend came from india on H1b permit.

Afternso many years he wasnhired full time.

Then he was able to get his american citizenship.

But getting his citizenship was his downfall.

His boss sais he will hire 5 h1b and that he will need to train them all
And if he doent then he will be fired.

Clarification Wrote:
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> My history is rusty but wasn't California, Oregon,
> Texas, and Washington part of Mexico up intil 200
> years ago? I guess you can throw in parts of
> states that constituted the Gadsden Purchase.

That's boundary changes. What Yunnny is claiming is a "right of return", and he is claiming it based on occupancy which ended, probably voluntarily, over 500 years ago.

racist is prevalent Wrote:
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> I think the people who are against undocumented
> immigrants
> are also card carrying members of the KKK. We are
> all humans, La Raza!

Go home you racist prick.

You are ignorant Wrote:
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> Roger McDoger Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Stupid college aged liberal shit4brains are all
> > for illegals overunning this country and giving
> > them legal status. The beauty is that it's the
> > mexican hordes that are taking the white kids
> > college slots, taking their entry level jobs,
> > taking their part time work. This country is
> > being run by college aged potheads and ugly
> single
> > women who only care about abortions hoping that
> > they'll one day get laid. And now the libs
> want
> > to give convicted felons and illegals the right
> to
> > vote. Oy Vey.
>
> This country was built on immigrants. Without the
> flow of hispanics, all
> your corporations would crumble and your education
> system would be in shambles. Be lucky that they
> are here.

You are full of shit.

friskydingo Wrote:
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> When did yall's kin first move to the united
> states?
>
> From what I know, my people moved here in like
> 1905.
>
> It's actually very inspiring... people who risk
> literally everything to make a better life for
> their family.

Of the four families I'm descended from, the oldest has been here since 1630. The newest has been here long enough that I'm at least a fourth-generation American. I can also claim, albeit tenuously, that my lineage goes back much further, as I'm 1/32 Crow.

I wonder how you bleeding hearts would feel if you had filled out a mountain of forms and waited ten years for legal citizenship. Then as you got close to the front of the line some illegal cut in front of you because you see the laws dont apply to him just to you.

The U S is supposed to be a nation of laws not a nation of laws where you pick and choose which ones you will obey.

bill e Wrote:
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> I wonder how you bleeding hearts would feel if you
> had filled out a mountain of forms and waited ten
> years for legal citizenship. Then as you got close
> to the front of the line some illegal cut in front
> of you because you see the laws dont apply to him
> just to you.
>
> The U S is supposed to be a nation of laws not a
> nation of laws where you pick and choose which
> ones you will obey.

Wink wink....

The same bunch of crybaby liberals would shit a brick if someone dared to cut in front of them at Wegmans. Yet they see nothing wrong with someone entering the country illegally and demanding their rights.

I also bet they would shit an even bigger brick if those same illegals lived next door to them with three families in place driving down property values.

Hey can one of you libs give me your address because I need a place to live "legally" off your money and food.

A U. S. Navy destroyer stops four Mexicans in a row boat rowing towards California .

The Captain gets on the loud- hailer and shouts, "Ahoy, small craft. Where are you headed?"

One of the Mexicans puts down his oar, stands up, and shouts, "We are invading the United States of America ! to reclaim the territory taken by the USA during the 1800's." The entire crew of the destroyer doubled-over in laughter. When the Captain is finally able to catch his breath, he gets back on the loud-hailer and asks, "Just the four of you?"

The same Mexican stands up again and shouts, "No, we're the last four. The rest are already there!"

So basically I see myself as to the right on a lot of issues and also to the left on plenty of issues... I guess I really am in the middle... but what I wanna know is, why are so many on the right so hateful? Like, in many of these discussions here, they go way beyond just policy ideas, you can see the utter hatred seething from the keyboard.

It's a big turn off Right wing.

 



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There's a reason it's called "illegal".

See what happens if you try it in any Latino country, Germany, Russia, China, Japan, basically anywhere else in the world. You go to jail and/or get deported immediately. Why are people here so scared of following the rules?

Just be lucky you dont live in England, it is full of dirty Arabs. They go from Lebanon and other 3rd world shit holes to Italy, once in Italy they get their papers and are free to go anywhere in the EU. Arabs are much worse then the spics here, filthy, dishonest, and not even hard working.

Gangs, lower home values, gropers, increase in social services. whats not to like

I lived in Springfield nearly all my life but finally sold out. We never had any type of gang issues nor men loitering at the 7-11 molesting women. Now we do. I ask you what has changed to make it this way.

Just curious......... Wrote:
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> Should we be more PC and call them undocumented
> immigrants instead of illegal?
>
> Should we give total amnesty to the 12 million
> undocumented hispanic immigrants?
>
> What happens to the ones waiting in line for legal
> immigration to come to this country?
>
> Are you in favor of giving undocumented immigrants
> in-state tuition and federal funds to attend
> college? Should affirmative action also apply to
> undocumented immigrants?
>
> Should we be sending back the high-skilled legal
> immigrants from China, India, South Korea who
> bring back American education and
> enterpreneuralship to compete against us?
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Both Republicans and Democrats contribute to more illegal immigration. Republicans promise jobs for all the aliens who can come in. Democrats promise permanent residency and its benefits.

My honest appraisal Wrote:
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> Both Republicans and Democrats contribute to more
> illegal immigration. Republicans promise jobs for
> all the aliens who can come in. Democrats promise
> permanent residency and its benefits.

bingo!!

friskydingo Wrote:
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> So basically I see myself as to the right on a lot
> of issues and also to the left on plenty of
> issues... I guess I really am in the middle... but
> what I wanna know is, why are so many on the right
> so hateful? Like, in many of these discussions
> here, they go way beyond just policy ideas, you
> can see the utter hatred seething from the
> keyboard.
>
> It's a big turn off Right wing.


so tell us oh great middle of the roader, what are all these issues that you're to the right on? I've never seen it in any of your posts. Not one.

Before it was addicted to cheap oil, this country was addicted to cheap labor. Now the addictions are comorbid.

The solution to our cheap labor addiction is simple. Since we're never going to kick the habit, institutionalize it.

The Thirteenth Amendment states that "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States". So, make entering this country illegally a Federal felony, punishable by 10 - 20 years at labor.

Once you've caught someone in this country illegally and secured a conviction, instead of putting them in prison, sell their labor to the highest bidder. Make them into bonded servants, and privatize the market for these servants.

Need 100 laborers to harvest your crop? Contact your local bonded labor agency, pay them a fee, and viola, you've got a hundred bodies. When the job's done, back to the agency they go.

I'm sure companies like Corrections Corporation of America, the GEO group, or Management and Training Corporation would be willing to enter this new market, which is really just the reestablishment of a very old one.

friskydingo ate your baby Wrote:
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>
>
> so tell us oh great middle of the roader, what are
> all these issues that you're to the right on?
> I've never seen it in any of your posts. Not one.


Soooo.... you must support gay rights, right?

Cuz you're being a total faggot right now... ;-)

 

friskydingo Wrote:
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> friskydingo ate your baby Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> >
> > so tell us oh great middle of the roader, what
> are
> > all these issues that you're to the right on?
> > I've never seen it in any of your posts. Not
> one.
>
>
> Soooo.... you must support gay rights, right?
>
> Cuz you're being a total faggot right now... ;-)


He does kind of have a point.

You claim the middle of the road yet only see hatred coming from the right.

friskydingo Wrote:
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> friskydingo ate your baby Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> >
> > so tell us oh great middle of the roader, what
> are
> > all these issues that you're to the right on?
> > I've never seen it in any of your posts. Not
> one.
>
>
> Soooo.... you must support gay rights, right?
>
> Cuz you're being a total faggot right now... ;-)


I don't know what you mean by "support gay rights". Does someone have a right to be gay? Sure. Does any adult have a right to sleep with any other adult as long as it is consentual? Sure. That's none of my business. Should the government be involved in who gets married? Nope. Should the tax code encourage marriage? Nope. Is gay sex abnormal and/or any different than any other sexual deviation? Nope.

I notice you didn't answer the question, but rather, provided an ad hominem hateful attack. Like I thought, a typical lib.

If you are here illegally then you need to be deported!!!!!

NOW LETS SEE THIS IN REALITY............

NOTHING WILL BE DONE!!!! THE U.S. IS TO DAMN WEAK TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. TOO MANY BLEEDY HEARTS AND FUCKED UP ACTIVIST GROUPS WILL SEE IT THAT THEY BRING THIS CRACK DOWN ON ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION TO THE COURTS TO DELAY OR STOP ANY REAL ACTION THAT WOULD BE TAKEN. FOLKS, IT'S OVER, THE U.S. IS NOT THE U.S. IT ONCE WAS AND WILL NEVER BECOME THAT AGAIN. IN ORDER FOR THAT TO HAPPEN YOU WOULD NEED A REVOLUTION AND WE ALL KNOW THAT ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN BECAUSE NOBODY WANTS TO DISRUPT THEIR LIVES TO DEFEND WHAT IS RIGHT.

Sorry if this sounds really negative but you all do know that that is the truth and the truth in this instance, IS A COMPLETE ASS RAPE FOR AMERICA!!!

WOW!!!! Wrote:
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> TOO MANY BLEEDY HEARTS AND FUCKED UP ACTIVIST GROUPS
> WILL SEE IT THAT THEY BRING THIS CRACK DOWN ON
> ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION TO THE COURTS TO DELAY OR STOP
> ANY REAL ACTION THAT WOULD BE TAKEN.

And right at the top of that list will be employers of low skilled workers.

umm do you know... Wrote:
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> So? Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > alllllll Wrote:
> >
> > > OF COUSE THEY GAVE UP WAITING. THE SITUATION
> IN
> > > MEXICO
> > > IS BAD. NOBODY IS ABLE TO GET A JOB. THE US
> IS
> > A
> > > GOOD OPPORTUNITY
> > > TO GET A JOB AND HELP YOUR FAMILY BACK IN
> > MEXICO.
> > > WE ARE ALL
> > > HUMANS.
> >
> >
> > Yes we are, and the illegal ones are part of
> the
> > reason why the waiting list is so long for
> people
> > trying to do the right thing. More of them
> could
> > be let in if the illegals werent playing
> frogger
> > at the boarder.
> >
> > Our whole enforcement system is basically set
> up
> > to make it look like were doing something to
> stop
> > it when we arent. Without internal enforcement
> > nothing will change
>
> sorry, no human being is "illegal"


I'm sure you'd say that if 12 mexicans busted into your abode and decided to start living there without your permission. Your post is a typical liberal perspective.....not based in reality, all about feelings and the road straight to hell all paved with feel-good nonsense. And always spending someone else's money to do it.

La Raza!!!! Free handouts!