Well?

Institutionalize the insane.

Crazy-with-guns Wrote:
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> Institutionalize the insane.


Starting with the OP.

We need to put guns every where. Have them hanging from playgrounds and sit out on students desks. If anybody even thinks somebody might shoot or looks at them then start firing.

Liability insurance. You need insurance on your car. Why not your weapons? If your vehicle damages someone else or their property YOU pay. Same should go for your firearms. The higher magazine clip the higher insurance premiums. full auto combat armory? Pay out the nose in insurance.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/19/2012 02:06PM by Judge Crater.

Judge Crater Wrote:
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> Liability insurance. You need insurance on your
> car. Why not your weapons? If your vehicle
> damages someone else or their property YOU pay.
> Same should go for your firearms. The higher
> magazine clip the higher insurance premiums. full
> auto combat armory? Pay out the nose in
> insurance.


You already lost any credibility when you used the term "clip".

Do you understand how difficult it already is to get an automatic weapon?

I own several guns myself, but I believe the "gun show loophole" should be stopped immediately. That's the most retarded "right" we have. Also, on the forms we complete for the State Police and FBI, it's really just your word on the checkboxes. Actually check against those checkbox questions. Any legitimate gun buyer shouldn't have an issue with that.

A public awareness campaign about the warning signs in unstable people. Easier access to therapy and medication for the damaged. A public awareness campaign on how to react in the event of an active shooter. Security guards in schools.

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Crazy-with-guns Wrote:
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> Institutionalize the insane.

Who should pay for that? Should we increase taxes to afford to institutionalize people?

More GUNS Damn it! Wrote:
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> We need to put guns every where. Have them
> hanging from playgrounds and sit out on students
> desks. If anybody even thinks somebody might
> shoot or looks at them then start firing.


Hey, it is working in Florida.

LNUGW Wrote:
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> Judge Crater Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Liability insurance. You need insurance on
> your
> > car. Why not your weapons? If your vehicle
> > damages someone else or their property YOU pay.
>
> > Same should go for your firearms. The higher
> > magazine clip the higher insurance premiums.
> full
> > auto combat armory? Pay out the nose in
> > insurance.
>
>
> You already lost any credibility when you used the
> term "clip".
>
> Do you understand how difficult it already is to
> get an automatic weapon?
>
> I own several guns myself, but I believe the "gun
> show loophole" should be stopped immediately.
> That's the most retarded "right" we have. Also,
> on the forms we complete for the State Police and
> FBI, it's really just your word on the checkboxes.
> Actually check against those checkbox questions.
> Any legitimate gun buyer shouldn't have an issue
> with that.

you lost credibility and when you dismiss a whole argument over one small detail.

Judge Crater Wrote:
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> LNUGW Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Judge Crater Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Liability insurance. You need insurance on
> > your
> > > car. Why not your weapons? If your vehicle
> > > damages someone else or their property YOU
> pay.
> >
> > > Same should go for your firearms. The higher
> > > magazine clip the higher insurance premiums.
> > full
> > > auto combat armory? Pay out the nose in
> > > insurance.
> >
> >
> > You already lost any credibility when you used
> the
> > term "clip".
> >
> > Do you understand how difficult it already is
> to
> > get an automatic weapon?
> >
> > I own several guns myself, but I believe the
> "gun
> > show loophole" should be stopped immediately.
> > That's the most retarded "right" we have.
> Also,
> > on the forms we complete for the State Police
> and
> > FBI, it's really just your word on the
> checkboxes.
> > Actually check against those checkbox
> questions.
> > Any legitimate gun buyer shouldn't have an
> issue
> > with that.
>
> you lost credibility and when you dismiss a whole
> argument over one small detail.

You lost all credibility when you didn't know how to use credibility.

Gun Nutty Wrote:
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> Crazy-with-guns Wrote:
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> > Institutionalize the insane.
>
> Who should pay for that? Should we increase taxes
> to afford to institutionalize people?


We have before.

The problem is wackos are people too. People with certain rights. And as long as the ACLU is around they'll keep their right to NOT being placed in an institution.

"Mainstream". Remember that word? It was used often enough in Fairfax County.

re: Liability insurance

Don't think for a second that a line isn't forming in front of the "estate" of the shooters mother. Add his father who evidently could afford loads of health care and $300K a year in alimony. He's responsible for what happened to. At least the courts will believe that. Not just talking about the family members of those gunned down. The local, state and federal government will want their costs for the event covered too. Whoever wrote the homeowners policy may as well close their doors today.

Gun Nutty Wrote:
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> Crazy-with-guns Wrote:
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> > Institutionalize the insane.
>
> Who should pay for that? Should we increase taxes
> to afford to institutionalize people?


We already pay for them with welfare and lost lives.

Personally, I say solve it Darwin style and cull the herd.

There are way too many incidents of murder without guns to say the solution is gun control. Murder is the common denominator.

MrMephisto Wrote:
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> A public awareness campaign about the warning
> signs in unstable people. Easier access to therapy
> and medication for the damaged. A public awareness
> campaign on how to react in the event of an active
> shooter. Security guards in schools.


+1

Blaming an inanimate object isn't going to change a thing.

Around here, Fairfax already keeps a cop in most of the county high schools. So it's not like that cost could be much more than we're paying for now.

The only problem with getting the "damaged" help is who gets to decide who the damaged people are? Where do you draw the line?

There are countless laws that restrict gun ownership and use.

Tell me what law would have prevented the shooting?

Its illegal to have a gun on school property.

Its illegal to carry a gun into a school.

Its illegal to shoot in public.

Its illegal to shoot at people.

Its illegal to murder people.

It was illegal how the shooter transported those guns.

It was illegal for him to have the guns.

Clearly another law will be the one murderers finally follow........

RESPONSIBLE OWNERSHIP.

PROPER TRAINING.

Teaching that a loaded firearm is akin to a poisonous snake. Handle it wrong or carelessly and you will get bit.


These "feel good" laws that our "representatives" love to rush out and pass do nothing, except make money for those who can manipulate the system. So they ban "automatic weapons". Then what? Some nut grabs a semi-auto or pump shotgun and lights people up at a restaurant or gas station. Gonna ban all shotguns? Then semi-auto pistols? Soon there will only be single shot rifles and revolvers. Ban them and what will the desperate, disturbed people do next? Switch to bows and arrows? Drive cars filled with fuel cans into crowds?

Once you start on the slippery slope of deciding what to ban or who can have what, you no longer remain free. "Do as I say, not as I do" seems to be a popular stance among our "representatives". Once the government sees that they can get away with one thing, what's to stop them from trying something else?

I personally don't see a need, other than collecting purposes, for semi-auto rifles like an AR in civilian life, but if someone wants to own one, that's fine.

Washington DC has the most restrictive gun laws in the country- does that stop the killings that happen there every year?

there are all kinds of rules and laws as well as issues coming up before various courts such as "federal courts are busy determining which ones. In a ruling last week, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 7th Circuit invalidated Illinois’s broad prohibition against carrying loaded guns in public. The 9th Circuit is weighing laws in California and Hawaii that require applicants for concealed-carry permits to demonstrate a legitimate need to carry a weapon. The 2nd Circuit recently upheld a similar New York state law, requiring applicants to show “proper cause” to be allowed to carry concealed handguns in public."

SoylentGreen Wrote:
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> Gun Nutty Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
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> > Crazy-with-guns Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Institutionalize the insane.
> >
> > Who should pay for that? Should we increase
> taxes
> > to afford to institutionalize people?
>
>
> We have before.
>
> The problem is wackos are people too. People with
> certain rights. And as long as the ACLU is around
> they'll keep their right to NOT being placed in an
> institution.

Nonsense. People are involutarily committed every day. The question is: Who will pay for institutionalization? Our country's appitite for spending on socical programs seems to wane by the day.

> "Mainstream". Remember that word? It was used
> often enough in Fairfax County.
>
> re: Liability insurance
>
> Don't think for a second that a line isn't forming
> in front of the "estate" of the shooters mother.
> Add his father who evidently could afford loads of
> health care and $300K a year in alimony. He's
> responsible for what happened to. At least the
> courts will believe that. Not just talking about
> the family members of those gunned down. The
> local, state and federal government will want
> their costs for the event covered too. Whoever
> wrote the homeowners policy may as well close
> their doors today.

The father didn't have custody and the custody order specified that the mother was the decision-maker. The father will hire quality representation and the cases will be joined. He'll prove that he discussed what to do with/about Adam with the mother, but in the end it was her deecision. He'll have to pay some, sure, but it won't be a lot.

Birth Control

Gun Nutty Wrote:
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> The father didn't have custody and the custody
> order specified that the mother was the
> decision-maker. The father will hire quality
> representation and the cases will be joined.
> He'll prove that he discussed what to do
> with/about Adam with the mother, but in the end it
> was her deecision. He'll have to pay some, sure,
> but it won't be a lot.

I thought the kid was 20 and had not yet been determined to be legally incompetent. Why would he have been in the custody of anyone? Some states do permit child support to continue for kids over 18, but those laws do not necessarily change the fact that legally the kids are adults and can make adult decisions, including where they want to live.

So far I haven't seen anything suggesting the father would be liable. We don't have biological/DNA liability. The guns weren't his. The guns weren't in his possession. He hadn't given the shooter access to the guns by letting the shooter live with him. There has been nothing indicating the father induced the kid to commit the act or somehow facilitated it. I do not doubt that lawyers will be sifting through the father's life looking for something to hang him for on this. Perhaps they will come up with something, or at least something close enough to get the case to a jury. More likely they will just make his life a sufficient hell that he and his insurer will settle just to end it.

Of course the hell won't stop there because the father will forever be tagged as the man who fathered that kid.

Claymore the school entrance once school starts. That would have stopped Adam Lanza and kept our children safe.

Judge Crater Wrote:
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> Liability insurance. You need insurance on your
> car. Why not your weapons? If your vehicle
> damages someone else or their property YOU pay.
> Same should go for your firearms. The higher
> magazine clip the higher insurance premiums. full
> auto combat armory? Pay out the nose in
> insurance.


You only need insurance if you drive on public roads (use them in public). You also don't need to register your vehicle if you don't use it on the roads. You also don't need to have a license to drive if you do it on private property. Most people don't carry their firearms. Guns are already much more regulated than vehicles.

"There is clear evidence that tightening laws — even in highly individualistic countries with long traditions of gun ownership — can reduce gun violence. In Australia, after a 1996 ban on all automatic and semiautomatic weapons — a real ban, not like the one we enacted in 1994 with 600-plus exceptions — gun-related homicides dropped 59 percent over the next decade. The rate of suicide by firearm plummeted 65 percent."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/fareed-zakaria-the-solution-to-gun-violence-is-clear/2012/12/19/110a6f82-4a15-11e2-b6f0-e851e741d196_story.html?hpid=z6

Goff Wrote:
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> Judge Crater Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Liability insurance. You need insurance on
> your
> > car. Why not your weapons? If your vehicle
> > damages someone else or their property YOU pay.
>
> > Same should go for your firearms. The higher
> > magazine clip the higher insurance premiums.
> full
> > auto combat armory? Pay out the nose in
> > insurance.
>
>
> You only need insurance if you drive on public
> roads (use them in public). You also don't need to
> register your vehicle if you don't use it on the
> roads. You also don't need to have a license to
> drive if you do it on private property. Most
> people don't carry their firearms. Guns are
> already much more regulated than vehicles.


you totally missed the point in every possible way. Insurance protects damage and harm to you or other persons. NOT the location of what or who is insured.

Judge Crater Wrote:
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> Goff Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
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> > Judge Crater Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Liability insurance. You need insurance on
> > your
> > > car. Why not your weapons? If your vehicle
> > > damages someone else or their property YOU
> pay.
> >
> > > Same should go for your firearms. The higher
> > > magazine clip the higher insurance premiums.
> > full
> > > auto combat armory? Pay out the nose in
> > > insurance.
> >
> >
> > You only need insurance if you drive on public
> > roads (use them in public). You also don't need
> to
> > register your vehicle if you don't use it on
> the
> > roads. You also don't need to have a license
> to
> > drive if you do it on private property. Most
> > people don't carry their firearms. Guns are
> > already much more regulated than vehicles.
>
>
> you totally missed the point in every possible
> way. Insurance protects damage and harm to you or
> other persons. NOT the location of what or who is
> insured.


Goddamn you're stupid. Someone told you while you were growing up that you were smart. Guess what, they lied to you.

Use Assult Rifles to kill the 'tards.