A few things you won’t hear about from the saturation coverage of the Newtown, Conn., school massacre:


Mass shootings are no more common than they have been in past decades, despite the impression given by the media.

In fact, the high point for mass killings in the U.S. was 1929, according to criminologist Grant Duwe of the Minnesota Department of Corrections.

Incidents of mass murder in the U.S. declined from 42 in the 1990s to 26 in the first decade of this century.

The chances of being killed in a mass shooting are about what they are for being struck by lightning.

Until the Newtown horror, the three worst K–12 school shootings ever had taken place in either Britain or Germany.

Almost all of the public-policy discussion about Newtown has focused on a debate over the need for more gun control. In reality, gun control in a country that already has 200 million privately owned firearms is likely to do little to keep weapons out of the hands of criminals. We would be better off debating two taboo subjects — the laws that make it difficult to control people with mental illness and the growing body of evidence that “gun-free” zones, which ban the carrying of firearms by law-abiding individuals, don’t work.

First, the mental-health issue. A lengthy study by Mother Jones magazine found that at least 38 of the 61 mass shooters in the past three decades “displayed signs of mental health problems prior to the killings.” New York Times columnist David Brooks and Cornell Law School professor William Jacobson have both suggested that the ACLU-inspired laws that make it so difficult to intervene and identify potentially dangerous people should be loosened. “Will we address mental-health and educational-privacy laws, which instill fear of legal liability for reporting potentially violent mentally ill people to law enforcement?” asks Professor Jacobson. “I doubt it.”

Gun-free zones have been the most popular response to previous mass killings. But many law-enforcement officials say they are actually counterproductive. “Guns are already banned in schools. That is why the shootings happen in schools. A school is a ‘helpless-victim zone,’” says Richard Mack, a former Arizona sheriff. “Preventing any adult at a school from having access to a firearm eliminates any chance the killer can be stopped in time to prevent a rampage,” Jim Kouri, the public-information officer of the National Association of Chiefs of Police, told me earlier this year at the time of the Aurora, Colo., Batman-movie shooting. Indeed, there have been many instances — from the high-school shooting by Luke Woodham in Mississippi, to the New Life Church shooting in Colorado Springs, Colo. — where a killer has been stopped after someone got a gun from a parked car or elsewhere and confronted the shooter.

Economists John Lott and William Landes conducted a groundbreaking study in 1999, and found that a common theme of mass shootings is that they occur in places where guns are banned and killers know everyone will be unarmed, such as shopping malls and schools.

I spoke with Lott after the Newtown shooting, and he confirmed that nothing has changed to alter his findings. He noted that the Aurora shooter, who killed twelve people earlier this year, had a choice of seven movie theaters that were showing the Batman movie he was obsessed with. All were within a 20-minute drive of his home. The Cinemark Theater the killer ultimately chose wasn’t the closest, but it was the only one that posted signs saying it banned concealed handguns carried by law-abiding individuals. All of the other theaters allowed the approximately 4 percent of Colorado adults who have a concealed-handgun permit to enter with their weapons.

“Disarming law-abiding citizens leaves them as sitting ducks,” Lott told me. “A couple hundred people were in the Cinemark Theater when the killer arrived. There is an extremely high probability that one or more of them would have had a legal concealed handgun with him if they had not been banned.”

Lott offers a final damning statistic: “With just one single exception, the attack on congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords in Tucson in 2011, every public shooting since at least 1950 in the U.S. in which more than three people have been killed has taken place where citizens are not allowed to carry guns.”

There is no evidence that private holders of concealed-carry permits (which are either easy to obtain or not even required in more than 40 states) are any more irresponsible with firearms than the police. According to a 2005 to 2007 study by researchers at the University of Wisconsin and Bowling Green State University, police nationwide were convicted of firearms violations at least at a 0.002 percent annual rate. That’s about the same rate as holders of carry permits in the states with “shall issue” laws.

Despite all of this evidence, the magical thinking behind gun-free zones is unlikely to be questioned in the wake of the Newtown killings. Having such zones gives people a false sense of security, and woe to the politician or business owner who now suggests that a “gun-free zone” revert back to what critics would characterize as “a wild, wild West” status. Indeed, shortly after the Cinemark attack in Colorado, the manager of the nearby Northfield Theaters changed its policy and began banning concealed handguns.

In all of the fevered commentary over the Newtown killings, you will hear little discussion of the fact that we may be making our families and neighbors less safe by expanding the places where guns aren’t allowed. But that is precisely what we may be doing. Both criminals and the criminally insane have shown time and time again that those laws are the least of the problems they face as they carry out their evil deeds.

— John Fund is a national-affairs columnist for NRO.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/335739/facts-about-mass-shootings-john-fund#

Oh, well then that makes everything OK.

Thanks, Mister!

The problem is mass shooting are increasing at an alarming rate. There has been one mass shooting each month.

The latest mass shooting was the largest in the history of the US.

We need to start taking actions to stop the trend.

Elect Me I'll Cut Taxes Wrote:
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> The problem is mass shooting are increasing at an
> alarming rate. There has been one mass shooting
> each month.
>
> The latest mass shooting was the largest in the
> history of the US.
>
> We need to start taking actions to stop the trend.


No, it wasn't.

How come when I hear the odds of winning the lottery are the same as getting hit by lightning I know which one will happen to me first.

violent crime rate is still on a downward trend. Keep that in mind lib tards.

Kvt9k Wrote:
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> violent crime rate is still on a downward trend.
> Keep that in mind lib tards.

Oh, well then it's okay that 20 six and seven year old innocents and a half-dozen of their teachers and school administrators were slaughtered by a assault-style weapon wielding madman last Friday.

I feel better already!

The Sandy Hook school shooting was the second largest.

Of the 11 deadliest shootings in the US, five have happened from 2007 onward.
That doesn’t include Friday’s shooting in Sandy Hook, Connecticut. The AP put the early reported death toll at 27, which would make it the second-deadliest mass shooting in US history.


Here are just the shooting from 2012:

February 22, 2012—Five people were killed in at a Korean health spa in Norcross, Georgia, when a man opened fire inside the facility in an act suspected to be related to domestic violence.

February 26, 2012—Multiple gunmen began firing into a nightclub crown in Jackson, Tennessee, killing one person and injuring 20 others.

February 27, 2012—Three students at Chardon High School in rural Ohio were killed when a classmate opened fire.

March 8, 2012—Two people were killed and seven wounded at a psychiatric hospital in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, when a gunman entered the hospital with two semiautomatic handguns and began firing.

March 31, 2012—A gunman opened fire on a crowd of mourners at a North Miami, Florida, funeral home, killing two people and injuring 12 others.

April 2, 2012—A 43-year-old former student at Oikos University in Oakland, California, walked into his former school and killed seven people, “execution-style.” Three people were wounded.

April 6, 2012—Two men went on a deadly shooting spree in Tulsa, Oklahoma, shooting black men at random in an apparently racially motivated attack. Three men died and two were wounded.

May 29, 2012—A man in Seattle, Washington, opened fire in a coffee shop and killed five people and then himself.

July 9, 2012—At a soccer tournament in Wilmington, Delaware, three people were killed, including a 16-year-old player and the event organizer, when multiple gunmen began firing shots, apparently targeting the organizer.

July 20, 2012—James Holmes enters a midnight screening of The Dark Knight Rises and opens fire with a semi-automatic weapon; twelve people are killed and fifty-eight are wounded.

August 5, 2012—A white supremacist and former Army veteran shot six people to death inside a Sikh temple in suburban Milwaukee, Wisconsin, before killing himself.

August 14, 2012—Three people were killed at Texas A&M University when a 35-year-old man went on a shooting rampage; one of the dead was a police officer.

September 27, 2012—A 36-year-old man who had just been laid off from Accent Signage Systems in Minneapolis, Minnesota, entered his former workplace and shot five people to death, and wounded three others before killing himself.

October 21, 2012—45-year-old Radcliffe Frankin Haughton shot three women to death, including his wife, Zina Haughton, and injured four others at a spa in Brookfield, Wisconsin, before killing himself.

December 11, 2012—A 22-year-old began shooting at random at a mall near Portland, Oregon, killing two people and then himself.

December 14, 2012—One man, and possibly more, murders a reported twenty-six people at an elementary school in Newtown, Connecticut, including twenty children, before killing himself.

Twelve facts about guns and mass shootings in the United States


When we first collected much of this data, it was after the Aurora, Colo. shootings, and the air was thick with calls to avoid “politicizing” the tragedy. That is code, essentially, for “don’t talk about reforming our gun control laws.”

Let’s be clear: That is a form of politicization. When political actors construct a political argument that threatens political consequences if other political actors pursue a certain political outcome, that is, almost by definition, a politicization of the issue. It’s just a form of politicization favoring those who prefer the status quo to stricter gun control laws.

Since then, there have been more horrible, high-profile shootings. Jovan Belcher, a linebacker for the Kansas City Chiefs, took his girlfriend’s life and then his own. In Oregon, Jacob Tyler Roberts entered a mall holding a semi-automatic rifle and yelling “I am the shooter.” And, in Connecticut, at least 27 are dead — including 18 children — after a man opened fire at Sandy Hook Elementary School.

If roads were collapsing all across the United States, killing dozens of drivers, we would surely see that as a moment to talk about what we could do to keep roads from collapsing. If terrorists were detonating bombs in port after port, you can be sure Congress would be working to upgrade the nation’s security measures. If a plague was ripping through communities, public-health officials would be working feverishly to contain it.

Only with gun violence do we respond to repeated tragedies by saying that mourning is acceptable but discussing how to prevent more tragedies is not. “Too soon,” howl supporters of loose gun laws. But as others have observed, talking about how to stop mass shootings in the aftermath of a string of mass shootings isn’t “too soon.” It’s much too late.

What follows here isn’t a policy agenda. It’s simply a set of facts — many of which complicate a search for easy answers — that should inform the discussion that we desperately need to have.

1. Shooting sprees are not rare in the United States.

Mother Jones has tracked and mapped every shooting spree in the last three decades. “Since 1982, there have been at least 61 mass murders carried out with firearms across the country, with the killings unfolding in 30 states from Massachusetts to Hawaii,” they found. And in most cases, the killers had obtained their weapons legally:

2. 15 of the 25 worst mass shootings in the last 50 years took place in the United States.

Time has the full list here. In second place is Finland, with two entries.

3. Lots of guns don’t necessarily mean lots of shootings, as you can see in Israel and Switzerland.*

As David Lamp writes at Cato, “In Israel and Switzerland, for example, a license to possess guns is available on demand to every law-abiding adult, and guns are easily obtainable in both nations. Both countries also allow widespread carrying of concealed firearms, and yet, admits Dr. Arthur Kellerman, one of the foremost medical advocates of gun control, Switzerland and Israel ‘have rates of homicide that are low despite rates of home firearm ownership that are at least as high as those in the United States.’”

*Correction: The info is out-of-date, if not completely wrong. Israel and Switzerland have tightened their gun laws substantially, and now pursue an entirely different approach than the United States. More details here. I apologize for the error.

4. Of the 11 deadliest shootings in the US, five have happened from 2007 onward.

That doesn’t include Friday’s shooting in Sandy Hook, Connecticut. The AP put the early reported death toll at 27, which would make it the second-deadliest mass shooting in US history.

5. America is an unusually violent country. But we’re not as violent as we used to be.

Kieran Healy, a sociologist at Duke University, made this graph of “deaths due to assault” in the United States and other developed countries. We are a clear outlier.

As Healy writes, “The most striking features of the data are (1) how much more violent the U.S. is than other OECD countries (except possibly Estonia and Mexico, not shown here), and (2) the degree of change—and recently, decline—there has been in the U.S. time series considered by itself.”

6. The South is the most violent region in the United States.

In a subsequent post, Healy drilled further into the numbers and looked at deaths due to assault in different regions of the country. Just as the United States is a clear outlier in the international context, the South is a clear outlier in the national context:

7. Gun ownership in the United States is declining overall.

“For all the attention given to America’s culture of guns, ownership of firearms is at or near all-time lows,” writes political scientist Patrick Egan. The decline is most evident on the General Social Survey, though it also shows up on polling from Gallup, as you can see on this graph:

The bottom line, Egan writes, is that “long-term trends suggest that we are in fact currently experiencing a waning culture of guns and violence in the United States. “

8. More guns tend to mean more homicide.

The Harvard Injury Control Research Center assessed the literature on guns and homicide and found that there’s substantial evidence that indicates more guns means more murders. This holds true whether you’re looking at different countries or different states. Citations here.

9. States with stricter gun control laws have fewer deaths from gun-related violence.

Last year, economist Richard Florida dove deep into the correlations between gun deaths and other kinds of social indicators. Some of what he found was, perhaps, unexpected: Higher populations, more stress, more immigrants, and more mental illness were not correlated with more deaths from gun violence. But one thing he found was, perhaps, perfectly predictable: States with tighter gun control laws appear to have fewer gun-related deaths. The disclaimer here is that correlation is not causation. But correlations can be suggestive:

“The map overlays the map of firearm deaths above with gun control restrictions by state,” explains Florida. “It highlights states which have one of three gun control restrictions in place – assault weapons’ bans, trigger locks, or safe storage requirements. Firearm deaths are significantly lower in states with stricter gun control legislation. Though the sample sizes are small, we find substantial negative correlations between firearm deaths and states that ban assault weapons (-.45), require trigger locks (-.42), and mandate safe storage requirements for guns (-.48).”

10. Gun control, in general, has not been politically popular.

Since 1990, Gallup has been asking Americans whether they think gun control laws should be stricter. The answer, increasingly, is that they don’t. “The percentage in favor of making the laws governing the sale of firearms ‘more strict’ fell from 78% in 1990 to 62% in 1995, and 51% in 2007,” reports Gallup. “In the most recent reading, Gallup in 2010 found 44% in favor of stricter laws. In fact, in 2009 and again last year, the slight majority said gun laws should either remain the same or be made less strict.”

11. But particular policies to control guns often are.

An August CNN/ORC poll asked respondents whether they favor or oppose a number of specific policies to restrict gun ownership. And when you drill down to that level, many policies, including banning the manufacture and possession of semi-automatic rifles, are popular.

12. Shootings don’t tend to substantially affect views on gun control.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/12/14/nine-facts-about-guns-and-mass-shootings-in-the-united-states/?tid=pm_pop



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/17/2012 07:09PM by Predator Obama.

For the Graphs and charts and things click the link

Here we fucking go again...

1) last I heard he left the "assault style" Ar-15 in the car.
2) the only thing that makes a weapon "assault style", according to your government is its magazine capacity. I can buy an AR-15 with a 10 round magazine and its not an "assault weapon". If I buy it with a 30 round mag, it's suddenly an "assault weapon". Mind you, the rifle itself didn't change.

I know how much you idiots preaching for a cause hate facts and just enjoy screaming as loud as possible, but those are the facts as best I know.

Note that I have two small children. I can't believe e what those parents are going through. I can't imagine what type of fucked up person it takes to kill a bunch of kids, practically babies. However, that is the operative, guilty term here, "fucked up person". This was an act perpetrated by a massive fucked up person. This wasn't an act perpetrated by an assault rifle, pistol, whatever. That fucked up individual would have figured another way to commit mass murdrr if the guns weren't around.
Please, stop spewing your party line bills it and get an original thought.

Goddamn auto correct...but you get the idea

Que? Wrote:
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> Here we fucking go again...
>
> 1) last I heard he left the "assault style" Ar-15
> in the car.
>

I dont know where you heard that but it is being reported that He ONLY used the Ar-15 "Bushmaster".

Republican Artur Davis writes:

Liberals will need to concede that banning firearms altogether is undesirable as well as unconstitutional, and that prohibitionist rhetoric only aids and abets the [National Rifle Association’s] own absolutist stance. They will need to demonstrate a much sharper sensitivity to the fact that handguns do serve the ends of self-defense in both middle class suburbs and urban neighborhoods, and that hunting is part of the national cultural fabric: much too much of the leftwing punditry on this subject overflows with a barely disguised regional and class based contempt. . . .



At the same time, conservatives would do well to recognize that the fact that gun ownership is a right does not immunize it from regulation—no more than speech is shielded from defamation suits, or restrictions against inciting violence or using words to conspire to achieve a crime; no more than the free exercise of religion precludes scrutiny of whether churches are complying with the obligations of their tax exempt status, or of whether government grants to faith based institutions are being validly spent. Similarly, the roots that gun possession hold in our culture surely don’t carry more sociological sway than driving or marriage, both of which require some method of formal registration. Lastly, just as liberals ought to abandon their fictions around existing gun laws, conservatives should also admit that the existing regulations around guns have hardly marginalized gun ownership or created some unreasonable barrier to gun possession.

Predator Obama Wrote:
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> Que? Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Here we fucking go again...
> >
> > 1) last I heard he left the "assault style"
> Ar-15
> > in the car.
> >
>
> I dont know where you heard that but it is being
> reported that He ONLY used the Ar-15 "Bushmaster".


That's what I heard also, the AR was in the car.

Predator Obama Wrote:
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> Twelve facts about guns and mass shootings in the
> United States
>
>
> When we first collected much of this data, it was
> after the Aurora, Colo. shootings, and the air was
> thick with calls to avoid “politicizing” the
> tragedy. That is code, essentially, for “don’t
> talk about reforming our gun control laws.”
>
> Let’s be clear: That is a form of
> politicization. When political actors construct a
> political argument that threatens political
> consequences if other political actors pursue a
> certain political outcome, that is, almost by
> definition, a politicization of the issue. It’s
> just a form of politicization favoring those who
> prefer the status quo to stricter gun control
> laws.
>
> Since then, there have been more horrible,
> high-profile shootings. Jovan Belcher, a
> linebacker for the Kansas City Chiefs, took his
> girlfriend’s life and then his own. In Oregon,
> Jacob Tyler Roberts entered a mall holding a
> semi-automatic rifle and yelling “I am the
> shooter.” And, in Connecticut, at least 27 are
> dead — including 18 children — after a man
> opened fire at Sandy Hook Elementary School.
>
> If roads were collapsing all across the United
> States, killing dozens of drivers, we would surely
> see that as a moment to talk about what we could
> do to keep roads from collapsing. If terrorists
> were detonating bombs in port after port, you can
> be sure Congress would be working to upgrade the
> nation’s security measures. If a plague was
> ripping through communities, public-health
> officials would be working feverishly to contain
> it.
>
> Only with gun violence do we respond to repeated
> tragedies by saying that mourning is acceptable
> but discussing how to prevent more tragedies is
> not. “Too soon,” howl supporters of loose gun
> laws. But as others have observed, talking about
> how to stop mass shootings in the aftermath of a
> string of mass shootings isn’t “too soon.”
> It’s much too late.
>
> What follows here isn’t a policy agenda. It’s
> simply a set of facts — many of which complicate
> a search for easy answers — that should inform
> the discussion that we desperately need to have.
>
> 1. Shooting sprees are not rare in the United
> States.
>
> Mother Jones has tracked and mapped every shooting
> spree in the last three decades. “Since 1982,
> there have been at least 61 mass murders carried
> out with firearms across the country, with the
> killings unfolding in 30 states from Massachusetts
> to Hawaii,” they found. And in most cases, the
> killers had obtained their weapons legally:
>
> 2. 15 of the 25 worst mass shootings in the last
> 50 years took place in the United States.
>
> Time has the full list here. In second place is
> Finland, with two entries.
>
> 3. Lots of guns don’t necessarily mean lots of
> shootings, as you can see in Israel and
> Switzerland.*
>
> As David Lamp writes at Cato, “In Israel and
> Switzerland, for example, a license to possess
> guns is available on demand to every law-abiding
> adult, and guns are easily obtainable in both
> nations. Both countries also allow widespread
> carrying of concealed firearms, and yet, admits
> Dr. Arthur Kellerman, one of the foremost medical
> advocates of gun control, Switzerland and Israel
> ‘have rates of homicide that are low despite
> rates of home firearm ownership that are at least
> as high as those in the United States.’”
>
> *Correction: The info is out-of-date, if not
> completely wrong. Israel and Switzerland have
> tightened their gun laws substantially, and now
> pursue an entirely different approach than the
> United States. More details here. I apologize for
> the error.
>
> 4. Of the 11 deadliest shootings in the US, five
> have happened from 2007 onward.
>
> That doesn’t include Friday’s shooting in
> Sandy Hook, Connecticut. The AP put the early
> reported death toll at 27, which would make it the
> second-deadliest mass shooting in US history.
>
> 5. America is an unusually violent country. But
> we’re not as violent as we used to be.
>
> Kieran Healy, a sociologist at Duke University,
> made this graph of “deaths due to assault” in
> the United States and other developed countries.
> We are a clear outlier.
>
> As Healy writes, “The most striking features of
> the data are (1) how much more violent the U.S. is
> than other OECD countries (except possibly Estonia
> and Mexico, not shown here), and (2) the degree of
> change—and recently, decline—there has been in
> the U.S. time series considered by itself.”
>
> 6. The South is the most violent region in the
> United States.
>
> In a subsequent post, Healy drilled further into
> the numbers and looked at deaths due to assault in
> different regions of the country. Just as the
> United States is a clear outlier in the
> international context, the South is a clear
> outlier in the national context:
>
> 7. Gun ownership in the United States is declining
> overall.
>
> “For all the attention given to America’s
> culture of guns, ownership of firearms is at or
> near all-time lows,” writes political scientist
> Patrick Egan. The decline is most evident on the
> General Social Survey, though it also shows up on
> polling from Gallup, as you can see on this
> graph:
>
> The bottom line, Egan writes, is that “long-term
> trends suggest that we are in fact currently
> experiencing a waning culture of guns and violence
> in the United States. “
>
> 8. More guns tend to mean more homicide.
>
> The Harvard Injury Control Research Center
> assessed the literature on guns and homicide and
> found that there’s substantial evidence that
> indicates more guns means more murders. This holds
> true whether you’re looking at different
> countries or different states. Citations here.
>
> 9. States with stricter gun control laws have
> fewer deaths from gun-related violence.
>
> Last year, economist Richard Florida dove deep
> into the correlations between gun deaths and other
> kinds of social indicators. Some of what he found
> was, perhaps, unexpected: Higher populations, more
> stress, more immigrants, and more mental illness
> were not correlated with more deaths from gun
> violence. But one thing he found was, perhaps,
> perfectly predictable: States with tighter gun
> control laws appear to have fewer gun-related
> deaths. The disclaimer here is that correlation is
> not causation. But correlations can be
> suggestive:
>
> “The map overlays the map of firearm deaths
> above with gun control restrictions by state,”
> explains Florida. “It highlights states which
> have one of three gun control restrictions in
> place – assault weapons’ bans, trigger locks,
> or safe storage requirements. Firearm deaths are
> significantly lower in states with stricter gun
> control legislation. Though the sample sizes are
> small, we find substantial negative correlations
> between firearm deaths and states that ban assault
> weapons (-.45), require trigger locks (-.42), and
> mandate safe storage requirements for guns
> (-.48).”
>
> 10. Gun control, in general, has not been
> politically popular.
>
> Since 1990, Gallup has been asking Americans
> whether they think gun control laws should be
> stricter. The answer, increasingly, is that they
> don’t. “The percentage in favor of making the
> laws governing the sale of firearms ‘more
> strict’ fell from 78% in 1990 to 62% in 1995,
> and 51% in 2007,” reports Gallup. “In the most
> recent reading, Gallup in 2010 found 44% in favor
> of stricter laws. In fact, in 2009 and again last
> year, the slight majority said gun laws should
> either remain the same or be made less strict.”
>
> 11. But particular policies to control guns often
> are.
>
> An August CNN/ORC poll asked respondents whether
> they favor or oppose a number of specific policies
> to restrict gun ownership. And when you drill down
> to that level, many policies, including banning
> the manufacture and possession of semi-automatic
> rifles, are popular.
>
> 12. Shootings don’t tend to substantially affect
> views on gun control.
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/20
> 12/12/14/nine-facts-about-guns-and-mass-shootings-
> in-the-united-states/?tid=pm_pop


A bunch of cherry-picked and slanted stats from Mother Jones. Who'd have guessed?

What's up with the Koreans??? I know young white males can be spree killers, but Koreans too and they make up a much smaller percentage of the population.

Korean - February 22, 2012—Five people were killed in at a Korean health spa in Norcross, Georgia, when a man opened fire inside the facility in an act suspected to be related to domestic violence.


Korean - April 2, 2012—A 43-year-old former student at Oikos University in Oakland, California, walked into his former school and killed seven people, “execution-style.” Three people were wounded.


And of course the King Korean - VA Tech Cho

Why Koreans Why??? Wrote:
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> What's up with the Koreans??? I know young white
> males can be spree killers, but Koreans too and
> they make up a much smaller percentage of the
> population.
>
> Korean - February 22, 2012—Five people were
> killed in at a Korean health spa in Norcross,
> Georgia, when a man opened fire inside the
> facility in an act suspected to be related to
> domestic violence.
>
>
> Korean - April 2, 2012—A 43-year-old former
> student at Oikos University in Oakland,
> California, walked into his former school and
> killed seven people, “execution-style.” Three
> people were wounded.
>
>
> And of course the King Korean - VA Tech Cho


BAN KOREANS NOW!

The gun industry sold 11M guns last year. The US is closing in on 1 gun per citizen. The people who will be "using this tragedy" will be the gun industry. They will start crying about impending regulation to further stoke gun sales. "Get an assault rifle now, while you still can!". It's all about bidness, people. 20 kids is a small price to pay to keep this industry humming.

The you dont want to go to the Dulles gun show in two weeks. The dealers are probably as we speak adding $200 dollars or more to the price of all guns. I wager anything Bushmaster or AR knockoff will go for over a grand the real deal Colt for two grand. Ammo will go out the door like it has legs.

Its the perfect storm for dealers. Hysteria over the breakdown of society. The government threat of banning guns and the wealthy Fairfax purchasers being loaded with ready cash and credit. Its a dealers dream come true.

more facts Wrote:
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> The you dont want to go to the Dulles gun show in
> two weeks. The dealers are probably as we speak
> adding $200 dollars or more to the price of all
> guns. I wager anything Bushmaster or AR knockoff
> will go for over a grand the real deal Colt for
> two grand. Ammo will go out the door like it has
> legs.
>
> Its the perfect storm for dealers. Hysteria over
> the breakdown of society. The government threat of
> banning guns and the wealthy Fairfax purchasers
> being loaded with ready cash and credit. Its a
> dealers dream come true.


Yup, so true!!

Again, I realize how inconvenient facts can be when you're screaming the party line. I heard it on CNN, a left leaning news network. Imagine that.

Also, that "AR-15 'Bushmaster'"? Again, facts and being informed is understandably secondary, but you should really try to educate yourself on the things you rally against. Ever hear of the phrase "Know your enemy"? Read the Art of War?

"Bushmaster" is the manufacturer of this particular AR-15. No quotes were needed there.


Predator Obama Wrote:
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> Que? Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Here we fucking go again...
> >
> > 1) last I heard he left the "assault style"
> Ar-15
> > in the car.
> >
>
> I dont know where you heard that but it is being
> reported that He ONLY used the Ar-15 "Bushmaster".

Predator Obama Wrote:
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> Republican Artur Davis writes:
>
> Liberals will need to concede that banning
> firearms altogether is undesirable as well as
> unconstitutional, and that prohibitionist rhetoric
> only aids and abets the [National Rifle
> Association’s] own absolutist stance. They will
> need to demonstrate a much sharper sensitivity to
> the fact that handguns do serve the ends of
> self-defense in both middle class suburbs and
> urban neighborhoods, and that hunting is part of
> the national cultural fabric: much too much of the
> leftwing punditry on this subject overflows with a
> barely disguised regional and class based
> contempt. . . .
>
>
>
> At the same time, conservatives would do well
> to recognize that the fact that gun ownership is a
> right does not immunize it from regulation—no
> more than speech is shielded from defamation
> suits, or restrictions against inciting violence
> or using words to conspire to achieve a crime; no
> more than the free exercise of religion precludes
> scrutiny of whether churches are complying with
> the obligations of their tax exempt status, or of
> whether government grants to faith based
> institutions are being validly spent. Similarly,
> the roots that gun possession hold in our culture
> surely don’t carry more sociological sway than
> driving or marriage, both of which require some
> method of formal registration. Lastly, just as
> liberals ought to abandon their fictions around
> existing gun laws, conservatives should also admit
> that the existing regulations around guns have
> hardly marginalized gun ownership or created some
> unreasonable barrier to gun possession.


No ones arguing against regulation, no one wants criminals or the mentally unstable to have guns. There is however a HUGE difference between regulation and bans.

The CDC and the Department of justice as well as countless academic studies have showed the clinton area assault weapons ban could not be proven to have reduced gun violence.

Some sort of streamlining where mental health is including in background checks would be fine, if youre found mentally unstable in court it should be sure to come up.

But none of this would have mattered for that school shooting, he didnt buy his guns or even legally possess them. No amount of laws would have stopped it.

A real solution that could work would be to arm teachers. I dont mean that every teacher in a class room should have a gun. But in schools its likely that at least a handful of teachers own guns and shoot regularly. Theres no reason a couple weapons couldnt be locked up in the main office just in case something like this does happen and a training and testing program couldnt be implemented to allow this to happen.

Bought a Russian made AK in 5.45 rifle for $499 yesterday.

Will buy a Russian case of ammo today. Buy buy buy buy.

Knower of Things Wrote:
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> Kvt9k Wrote:
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> > violent crime rate is still on a downward
> trend.
> > Keep that in mind lib tards.
>
> Oh, well then it's okay that 20 six and seven year
> old innocents and a half-dozen of their teachers
> and school administrators were slaughtered by a
> assault-style weapon wielding madman last Friday.
>
> I feel better already!


Why do you keep posting that facts to inform are somehow being offered to "make it okay"? Is it ever better to make decisions on raw emotion vs. facts and knowledge? Knee jerk reaction to events leads to things like murder, suicide, war and riots.

Gun don't kill kids. Oh wait, they just did.
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Que? Wrote:
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> Again, I realize how inconvenient facts can be
> when you're screaming the party line. I heard it
> on CNN, a left leaning news network. Imagine
> that.
>
> Also, that "AR-15 'Bushmaster'"? Again, facts and
> being informed is understandably secondary, but
> you should really try to educate yourself on the
> things you rally against. Ever hear of the phrase
> "Know your enemy"? Read the Art of War?
>
> "Bushmaster" is the manufacturer of this
> particular AR-15. No quotes were needed there.
>
>
> Predator Obama Wrote:
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> > Que? Wrote:
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> > > Here we fucking go again...
> > >
> > > 1) last I heard he left the "assault style"
> > Ar-15
> > > in the car.
> > >
> >
> > I dont know where you heard that but it is
> being
> > reported that He ONLY used the Ar-15
> "Bushmaster".

The only weapon he used was the ar-15 "Bushmaster" end of story. I do know that you are a troll. so Fuck you.

Predator Obama Wrote:
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> Que? Wrote:
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> > Again, I realize how inconvenient facts can be
> > when you're screaming the party line. I heard
> it
> > on CNN, a left leaning news network. Imagine
> > that.
> >
> > Also, that "AR-15 'Bushmaster'"? Again, facts
> and
> > being informed is understandably secondary, but
> > you should really try to educate yourself on
> the
> > things you rally against. Ever hear of the
> phrase
> > "Know your enemy"? Read the Art of War?
> >
> > "Bushmaster" is the manufacturer of this
> > particular AR-15. No quotes were needed there.
> >
> >
> > Predator Obama Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Que? Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Here we fucking go again...
> > > >
> > > > 1) last I heard he left the "assault
> style"
> > > Ar-15
> > > > in the car.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I dont know where you heard that but it is
> > being
> > > reported that He ONLY used the Ar-15
> > "Bushmaster".
>
> The only weapon he used was the ar-15 "Bushmaster"
> end of story. I do know that you are a troll. so
> Fuck you.

FOX News said he didn't even use a gun.

a report from the well-regarded Children’s Defense Fund. In 2008 and 2009, 5,740 children — “one child or teen every three hours, eight every day, 55 every week for two years” — were killed by guns. In 2008, 408 of them were under the age of 15; 148 were under 10. A year later, 354 under 15 and 151 under 10 were killed by gunfire. All in all, 34,387 children were wounded by guns in those two years.


all those deaths and injuries are not worth your 2nd amendment rights NOT being regulated

Predator Obama Wrote:
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> a report from the well-regarded Children’s
> Defense Fund. In 2008 and 2009, 5,740 children —
> “one child or teen every three hours, eight
> every day, 55 every week for two years” — were
> killed by guns. In 2008, 408 of them were under
> the age of 15; 148 were under 10. A year later,
> 354 under 15 and 151 under 10 were killed by
> gunfire. All in all, 34,387 children were wounded
> by guns in those two years.
>
>
> all those deaths and injuries are not worth your
> 2nd amendment rights NOT being regulated

+1

Lt Col Obvious Wrote:
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> Predator Obama Wrote:
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> > a report from the well-regarded Children’s
> > Defense Fund. In 2008 and 2009, 5,740 children
> —
> > “one child or teen every three hours, eight
> > every day, 55 every week for two years” —
> were
> > killed by guns. In 2008, 408 of them were under
> > the age of 15; 148 were under 10. A year later,
> > 354 under 15 and 151 under 10 were killed by
> > gunfire. All in all, 34,387 children were
> wounded
> > by guns in those two years.
> >
> >
> > all those deaths and injuries are not worth
> your
> > 2nd amendment rights NOT being regulated
>
> +1

In case you haven't noticed they ARE regulated.

Here is the solution.........

Everyone gets armed like over in the Middle East. We all carry AK47s and RPGs. Fuck the hand guns, hand guns are for pussies who can't handle the AKs and RPGs!!!

Forest Wrote:
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> In case you haven't noticed they ARE regulated.

There is not nearly enough regulation of firearms in this country.

2 handguns... not an assault rifle. The rifle was in his trunk and not used in the school.

not well regulated enough. The woman new she had a child with mental issues yet STILL kept an armory in her home. This led to her untimely death and the deaths of all those children.

@Doug - you are VERY wrong................ :(

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/16/school-shooter-adam-lanza_n_2312818.html

Predator Obama Wrote:
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> not well regulated enough. The woman new she had
> a child with mental issues yet STILL kept an
> armory in her home. This led to her untimely
> death and the deaths of all those children.





Where did he get the body armor? What I find strange is she was a teacher; teachers don't usually have the personality to buy firearms, especially an AR-15.

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> 2 handguns... not an assault rifle. The rifle was
> in his trunk and not used in the school.



Some news say the rifle stayed in his car, others say he used the rifle on the kids, not the pistols.


The medical examiner said rifle wounds though.

eesh Wrote:
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> Doug Wrote:
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> > 2 handguns... not an assault rifle. The rifle
> was
> > in his trunk and not used in the school.
>
>
>
> Some news say the rifle stayed in his car, others
> say he used the rifle on the kids, not the
> pistols.
>
>
> The medical examiner said rifle wounds though.


Sources?

But he apparently chose a larger weapon, a .223-caliber Bushmaster rifle, for much of the killing. This rifle fires one bullet for every pull of the trigger, and the unusually high speed of its round was designed to produce significant internal damage. Authorities said Lanza fired dozens and dozens of times in a spree that lasted minutes.

All the wounds that I know of at this point were caused by the long weapon,” said Carver, the medical examiner.

He said he saw multiple wounds on the bodies of those he examined, and based on his conversations with colleagues, “I believe everybody was hit more than once.” None of the victims likely survivhttp://www.washingtonpost.com/national/gunman-kills-mother-then-26-in-grade-school-rampage-in-connecticut/2012/12/15/9017a784-46b6-11e2-8061-253bccfc7532_story_1.htmled very long after being hit, Carver said.